Try dl a copy of itch and re-analyze?

hmmm...sounds reasonable. will try.


was thinking i'd have to use the bridge or something.

analyzing in itch will add the beatgrid, but you won't be able to edit the beat grid in 1.9.2. also itch uses the 2.3.3 tag writing system so if you analyze in itch you might as well use 2.3.3.

dude just update to 2.3.3

Here's what I am told.

you can go into a "beat grid" ready version of SSL and beatgrid your videos.
then use those videos in 1.9.2
(mix emergency reads the beat grid information natively from the mp4 file)

problem is, the language for overviews and such changes soooo much via different versions
I dont know how/if 1.9.2 will play nice with the files once they have seen 2.0+

I havent tried it, like many im sitting in 1.9.2 chewing my nails off wanting to use these
features.... one of the suprises in 2.0 was not only beat grid effects, but transitions.
so, yeah.... really weighing the chance of going to 2.3.3

Do a full backup and then go for it Josh... Take the opportunity for a full library clear-out/rebuild at the same time.

I'm not going back now, trust.

yeah, I bought a new HD... Ie Back up #4 and gonna give it a go

Yall need to dump 1.9.2 and get with the times. 2.3.3.18 is just as solid as 1.9.2

:D

how bout them DJ EFX?

lol

DJ FX work as well, I layer DJ FX over my efx on my pioneer boards, midi style =)

it's pretty much Joshua C who i hoped would answer.
we are almost always on the same page as far as comfort with what versions we use.

i am going to back up my drive again.
run 23318 as an analyzer to add the beatgrid. i will still play on 192 and see what happens.
if after all is good with 192 i will attempt 23318 in a full set.


my question are;
1) assuming i do not use itch, will i still need to use the bridge as a beatgrid maker?
2) are those my only 2 options? itch or 2+ and ableton (ie; the bridge).

Peer pressure man... I got Millz and eloy in my ear about it over and over ....
Safest path would be making a mirrored library, so if needed I can run back to 1.9.2 an worst case scenario; I have ANOTHER backed up HD.

Oh, be sure to use PRE 2.3 if your gonna try to make beat markers in DSL and roll back to 1.9.2 ....

As far as I know, the only was to beat grid is via the bridge; but not a bad question to pose to inklen....it would be nice to do it all in one program.

Install Itch 2.2 and use that to analyse tracks and create beatgrids.

I've been running like that for a while now. No Ableton required.

But don't you have to have bridge running in order for the beatgrid to be active on ScratchLive?

ME just needs there to be a grid in the tag.

Just because you can't see them without the Bridge doesn't mean they aren't saved to the file by Itch.

maybe on scratchlive....

but not in Mix Emergency.
(so the take home point would be, write the beatgrids/markers how you can...
Mix Emergency reads the information stored in the MP4 files)

Jynx!

Of course if you can't see them, you can't adjust them on the fly. But if you're happy to do all the work in prep mode then you don't need to spend out for Ableton.

yea, i thought that too.
if i can just do what phatbob suggests, i'd rather.

adding itch 2.2, analyzing, running 192 and having a mirrored backup.
vs
adding 23318, analyzing, running 192 and having a mirrored back up.
the former seems safer to me.

according to eloy the demp of ableton will work.

demo*

tomatoslice, I'd not recommend you analyse anything in SL 2.3.3 or above, or Itch 2.1 and above, and then use 1.9.2.

I don't thihk that's gonna play nice...

Time for the 2.3.3 upgrade!

So, what if you just got some new tracks you want to add to your library. Is there a difference in analyzing them in Itch, setting cue points, etc... then bringing them over to ScratchLive?

ok. thanks phatbob.
probably will upgrade, but i am going to test this no matter what.

last question (i hope).
do i HAVE to use the bridge to add beatgrids in scratchlive?

i mean cuz people are saying "analyze in sl 2.3.3" but if you must have ableton and the bridge running than what is being said is not exact.
sorry, i am just quite particular in wording and want clarity. especially since i foresee other noobs, like me, asking in the future.

oh, i think JC answered that.

analyzing in itch 2.1 and up is the same as analyzing in ssl 2.3.3 and up. only diff is you can't edit or create beatgrids in ssl unless you have ableton or ableton demo installed.

also ableton doesn't have to be running. install it and run it once so that the ableton plugin shows up in ssl and then enable it. after that you'll never have to run it again and you will be able to edit beatgrids and when you analyze beatgrids will automatically be created.

thanks. Nyce.
that helps a lot.

just going to upgrade/
have two different SLs installed , one drive set for 192 and another drive for 233.

SO if i install just the ableton demo doesnt it expire after 30 days? If so will the beatgrid still work after that?

I installed Itch 2.2 and anaylyzed all the video's with 'Set Beat Grid' checkbox already marked. Went to check in SSL and the grids were not there. I'm using SSL 2.3.3.

I looked at the individual mp4 files in a tagging program and yes the beat grid tag was added to the .mp4 but they does not show in SSL.

That's the expected behaviour if you don't have the bridge enabled.

It is all you need for the grid functions in ME though.

ME can see the grids even though you can't.

Hmm, Im not sure that ME was recognizing the grids as I tried out some effects and they did not seem grid responsive. I'll try it out again.

you do also have to enable it in ME (in case u had not)

Thanks Joshua yeah I had it enabled in ME as well. I downloaded and installed Ableton and now I can see the grids. Trying out the in ME again. Cheers

just verified that after the demo has expired you can still use ableton (and the bridge).

you just won't be able save or export your work.

i have only added beatgrids to a handful of files.

on those without beatgrids, it seems like when i choose "grid" for the effects they apply to the bpm of the track.
i wonder if adding a beatgrid is even necessary?

it
s necessary if there is some audio before the 1 of the intro or if a song is a single and doesn't start on the one.

Set cue to 1 of beat.
enter grid mode.
press delete, press x, leave grid mode.
Grid set to the 1

oooh, ok.

so it is necessary if you want the effects to fall on the first beat of each measure properly?
is that, sort of, what you are saying?

yes, if not the effects will not fall on beat.

With no beatgrid ME defaults to seeing the first cue point as the first grid marker, and uses the bpm from there on.

But again, if you don't have that cuepoint on a downbeat, the grid effect will be off.