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Ok, Give Me Some SOLID Reasons of Why I Should Get A MAC

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:28 PM - 22 February, 2012
And I don't mean stuff like...."They're better for DJ'ing"...

I want specific FACTS...

Like do they NOT have USB Dropouts or something?

Let a brova know....
Joee 1:35 PM - 22 February, 2012
you know that saying "once you go black you never go back" NH........LOL

the same applies for mac's everyone & i mean EVERYONE i know thats made the switch, Does not ever want to pic up a pc again, you just have to try for yourself to understand
DJ Guiayo 1:59 PM - 22 February, 2012
I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)
WarpNote 2:00 PM - 22 February, 2012
1. Generally more stable and smother with SSL than PC's. NOT saying that PC's cant be stable/smooth with SSL. But in general MAC's more easy going. This is even more true when it comes to Itch, IMO.

2. Generally better physical build quality than most PC's. Again, NOT saying that you can get PC's with great build quality. IBM thinkpads are great I hear.

3. iSeries CPU issue with SL1 & TTM57. If you ever need to hook up to one of the older interfaces, the mac will still be smooth sailing...

4. Video, if you ever wanna get into video, mac's have proven a lot better up until now.
Even though ME might be unsupported for the future.

But it basically boils down to your personal preference, just like the turntables and different mixers, car brand, type of beverage etc... The only way to really find out, is to actually try...
DJ Tank 2:19 PM - 22 February, 2012
the os are very stable on an mac, much more user friendly, i really like how you can intergrade your phone, ipod, pad.
Back then,with windows, i could not multitask without my laptop crashing everytime.
on a mac, i can download music, watch a movie, play chess, do facebook & be on the serato forum at the same time. i could not do that on a pc back then.
Also, to me, itunes are way better than media player.
I been using a mac for about 9 years now, never looked back to pc.
I will say that pc has came somewhat a long way on their os system.
To me, it really depends on what your using a laptop or desktop for.
I say this, if your happy with working with your pc, then do you.
WarpNote 2:55 PM - 22 February, 2012
Also forgot to mention, I actually use both Mac's and PCs.
Mac for SSL, Ableton, Final Cut Pro, Adobe After Effects/Photoshop/Illustrator
PC for 3d Animation (Autodesk Maya)
ral 3:13 PM - 22 February, 2012
- as long as you install the free security update, no need to worry about viruses/spyware/etc
- if you're going to do video mixing
- external hardisk, firewire 800/thunderbolt
- battery life and sleep (just close the screen), it just turn on instantly -
- you can stream your dj session in stickam/ustream using 1 mbpro
- you will look cooler, your dell sucks! :)
dj_craigmac 3:23 PM - 22 February, 2012
Man JM I went thru this on 2 other threads with u already. Just take the LEAP.
Mac is mainly better is because the OS is tailored just for their platform only, where as with pc the OS and periphials are fairly generic to fit a broad range of pc's which is what opens the WINDOWS (pun intended)to vulnerabilities and instabilities.
HYDRO MATIC 3:27 PM - 22 February, 2012
I was a mac guy at work pc guy at home for 10 years...hated not being able to customize a mac to operate the way I wanted.

Had my pc set to auto backup remotely after 6 hrs idle time on tue and thurs ( my late work nights)...to auto on and download from promo (no misquote)...set to play TV & Radio on other TVs in the house wirelessly...and transfer files between the laptop and two destktops wirelessly as well...
This all took my 4-6 months to set up and dial in with constant tweaking and virus removal on top of heavy heavy audio edits daily.

This takes a toll on your machines and I constantly was replacing something which meant the multiple parts of the system would go down...

Fast forward to Mac...2 laptops, iphone, Ipad and IMAC with Time CApsule... once I finally added the time capsule...I was able to set up the whole system in about 4 hrs...not saying its not possible on PC becasue obvioulsy it was/is but the MAC world is about intergration.

Setting tasks to revolve around you...not the other way around.



Aside from that the build quality and fit is much tighter as they are only focused on a much smaller line of products to attend to. With customer service quality similar to RANE / Serato
Voltmod 3:42 PM - 22 February, 2012
It's personal preference, but
1.) stability is known to be better because OS X is programmed to work with specific hardware, since Mac doesn't allow for much swapping of hardware. This is why you don't have to typically install drivers for OS X. But really,
2.) it's pretty much about the aesthetics for most people. Whether that's the aesthetics of the physical machine or OS X in general. They will just say it's more stable. The problem with this is that if a mac is not stable, it is harder to diagnose the problem since there's not as many customization options like in windows.

I am a PC person all the way when it comes to desktops and design/animation work, but macbook pros are sleek and compact and easy to carry around.
3.) The trackpad - Some people don't need to touch the laptop due to controllers ,etc, but if you need to scroll through tracks fast, swiping your fingers on the trackpad is an easy way to browse.
WarpNote 3:45 PM - 22 February, 2012
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- external hardisk, firewire 800/thunderbolt

ral, are you using thinderbolt for both video and external drive?
Just feel sharing the port is risky business?
ral 3:46 PM - 22 February, 2012
addition:
- if you want to add windows softwares, just add virtual box/vmware and you're all set
ral 3:47 PM - 22 February, 2012
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- external hardisk, firewire 800/thunderbolt

ral, are you using thinderbolt for both video and external drive?
Just feel sharing the port is risky business?


- nope, just internal
DJ Remy USA 3:51 PM - 22 February, 2012
I switched to apple in 2004 before then I was all PC guy the reason why switched:

Mac OS systems did not crash on me when putting stress on the computer nor does is lock or freeze up as often as PC's

No tweaking needed it works great right out of the box if you tweak a Mac you run the risk of actually having it perform worse trust me I have done it

Software just worked like it should when I click to opena a program it opens. If a program freezes force quit normally closes it right away.

Mac OS makes better use of your systems ram and its not a processor hog leaving more for your software to run.

Graphics are top notch have you ever scene the wave forms scroll on a mac then watch the same wave forms scroll on a PC its almost night and day difference in the smoothness and speed

Apple care is top notch if you want to pay for it, I have had a mac not power on due to a resistor on the motherbaord burning out. They just dropped a new mac in my lap no questions asked.

I could go on and on when you join the apple fam its like a religion we relish in our God like computer....lol
DJ Remy USA 3:52 PM - 22 February, 2012
The only downside is the amout of USB ports but to be honest its forced me to simply how I operate and I like it much better than having 8 USB ports on my computer that dont all function equally
WarpNote 4:02 PM - 22 February, 2012
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- external hardisk, firewire 800/thunderbolt

ral, are you using thinderbolt for both video and external drive?
Just feel sharing the port is risky business?


- nope, just internal

Id say actually thunderbolt is an argument AGAINST mac actually, very few options for drives, and real messy if you wanna do video. There's e-sata and usb3 on pc's remember.
My next SSL computer is still gonna be a mac, just like my current one.
HYDRO MATIC 4:04 PM - 22 February, 2012
Thunderbolt will catch on similar to FIREWIRE...slow and more expensive but catch on none the less
WarpNote 4:10 PM - 22 February, 2012
The reason firewire is so great is the no hassle plug loop. Even better on older mbp's with both 400 & 800 ports IMO. My issue with the thunderbolt is the shared display port. I do have a new 17" mbp with thunderbolt, but haven't yet gotten any thunderbolt drives as I need to run my external monitor on the port.

Is there any thunderbolt split-cables/hubs out there?
I have been searching a few months back, but couldn't really find anything useful.
echa1945mf 4:13 PM - 22 February, 2012
that cute glowing half eaten apple logo dude ....... LMAO
HYDRO MATIC 4:15 PM - 22 February, 2012
WarpNote
(Havent done this)
From what I understand it is a flexible loop...should be able to plug whatever into any port...doesnt your monitor have two thunderbolt ports? One into the laptop one into the harddrive performance shouldnt suffer.


At least this was what was explained to me.
WarpNote 4:23 PM - 22 February, 2012
My monitor has VGA and DVI. Its a samsung monitor also used for my Dell workstation laptop. Most projectors have VGA. If you are doing video/visuals on a projector, then a thunderbolt drive is a no go... Get what I'm saying?
HYDRO MATIC 4:38 PM - 22 February, 2012
Warp its to early to expect to see it every just yet...give it a year...supposedly cheaper than most connections...and you could always go in the hard drive thunderbolt out to video adaptor in to the screen/projector.

But I do agree its still to new...kinda what pissed me off about firewire...at first just wasnt enought support...soon as there was...800/usb3/thunderbolt
Dj K.Smith 4:48 PM - 22 February, 2012
Ask yourself this, how many of your dj homies have macs vs the ones still rocking pc's?
DJDBAG 5:24 PM - 22 February, 2012
Or look at it the other way, What are solid reasons why you should stay with your PC?
HYDRO MATIC 5:26 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Or look at it the other way, What are solid reasons why you should stay with your PC?


outside of price...
WarpNote 5:45 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Warp its to early to expect to see it every just yet...give it a year...supposedly cheaper than most connections...and you could always go in the hard drive thunderbolt out to video adaptor in to the screen/projector.

I know, new technology takes a while to catch on, its been out since feb last year.
Been a slow start compared to usb3 & e-sata imo.

As I haven't got a thunderbolt drive yet, I haven't tried to hook up a screen to a drive.
But I would say I'm a little worried about any sync/delay issues.

Belkin announced a hub but no vga/dvi port on it... www.macrumors.com
I guess someone will come up with a light hub for thunderbolt in, vga/dvi/hdmi+thunderbolt out.
DJ Michael Basic 7:49 PM - 22 February, 2012
I thought thunderbolt was supposed to be daisychainable like firewire?
CMOS 8:05 PM - 22 February, 2012
Im a PC guy through and through. I do all my edits, production, downloading taggins sorting, everything on the PC.

My PC blows away my macbook in the speed department for serato, things load faster. My Macbook is slower but smoother on the serato experience.

I personally still hate the Mac OS for anything other than spinning serato.

My PC would never have audible dropouts, but that lil light came on all the time. The screen would freeze and jerk a bit more than my Mac.

Would any of this stop me from using Serato on a PC, No.

Really the only reason i run a Macbook is because i got a brand new MacBook for $400.

My next laptop will probably be a PC and ill go back to using serato on it. Reasons are, this is what i know really well, anything that happens out in the field i can fix.


TO sum up, does the mac run better than the PC for serato, yes a tiny bit. Is this tiny bit something that would make me spend 1500 bucks, no. Especially for someone like JM that is a PC guy for years, i dont think the difference is that much to have to learn a whole new OS and spend all that money for the same hardware.
DJ Michael Basic 8:08 PM - 22 February, 2012
I agree with CMOS. The reason I got a mac was because I needed a new laptop and a new desktop, so I decided that buying a macbook pro and a dock would cost about the same amount of money as a pc laptop and desktop, and i could use it for both. I was DJing on average 3-4 times a week for 6 years on the same HP laptop and never had a problem. I had one crash, ever, but it was a power surge that rebooted the 57 as well so the music would have gone off even if it was a mac.

I like my new macbook pro, but it's sitting about 10 feet away from me while I type this on one of my PC laptops...so it's not one of those "once you go mac you'll never go back" situations for me either.
skinnyguy 8:26 PM - 22 February, 2012
to be original =P
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:04 PM - 22 February, 2012
Because your old as dirt and dont need to wase time confuguring a pc to work well
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:05 PM - 22 February, 2012
Plus its very compadible with your med alret bracelets
Joee 9:10 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Because your old as dirt and dont need to wase time confuguring a pc to work well

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Plus its very compadible with your med alret bracelets

this is just Plan WRONG!!!!!!!!!

do they even still make, that help i'm falling and i can't get up thing?
CMOS 9:15 PM - 22 February, 2012
LOL yes they do, just got one for my aunt who fell and busted her leg.

www.lifealert.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:15 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Because your old as dirt and dont need to wase time confuguring a pc to work well

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Plus its very compadible with your med alret bracelets

this is just Plan WRONG!!!!!!!!!

do they even still make, that help i'm falling and i can't get up thing?


johnny just uses his sample player and the airhorn when he falls in the booth lol
Joee 9:19 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Because your old as dirt and dont need to wase time confuguring a pc to work well

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Plus its very compadible with your med alret bracelets

this is just Plan WRONG!!!!!!!!!

do they even still make, that help i'm falling and i can't get up thing?


johnny just uses his sample player and the airhorn when he falls in the booth lol

LMFAO..........you starting beef son
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:21 PM - 22 February, 2012
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you know that saying "once you go black you never go back" NH........LOL

the same applies for mac's everyone & i mean EVERYONE i know thats made the switch, Does not ever want to pic up a pc again, you just have to try for yourself to understand


Nope, not specific enough...

I need details....

WHAT about the MAC makes them never want to pick up a PC again?

I'm a tech head, so there has to be some substance before I switch...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:22 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)


Again, I need specifics....

What DON'T you have to configure on a MAC, that you DO have to configure on a PC?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:25 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)


Again, I need specifics....

What DON'T you have to configure on a MAC, that you DO have to configure on a PC?


Anything lol,for one you never.have to worry about drivers, or defragging
CMOS 9:26 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)




Again, I need specifics....



What DON'T you have to configure on a MAC, that you DO have to configure on a PC?



Nothing really, when they say "all the configuration" it means uninstalling the bloatware that comes on a new PC.

As a matter of fact one of the forum guys PMed me about his new machine getting dropouts. I had him uninstall the dell backup program, uninstall norton and install something lighter, and he has been problem free. There arent really any tweaks necessary unless you are running an under powered machine.
CMOS 9:28 PM - 22 February, 2012
I really think a lot of people on this forum got burned with vista and think 7 is the same beast. Vista required a lot of tinkering, 7 is good out the box as long a your manufacturer didnt load the machine up with other programs. Most do this, so it requires 10 min of uninstalling unnecessary crap before you can use the PC to its full potential.

Macs dont come with other programs installed, this is also how PC manufacturers keep the price down as these companies pay to get their apps installed by default. I just read something about google paying Sony a ton of money to make Chrome the default browser on the machines when you first start it up.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:29 PM - 22 February, 2012
Ok, we're making headway here...


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1. Generally more stable and smother with SSL than PC's. NOT saying that PC's cant be stable/smooth with SSL. But in general MAC's more easy going. This is even more true when it comes to Itch, IMO.


Ok, ITCH isn't an issue with me (NM), and I know how to optimize PC's for "smoothness", so there's nothing glaring there yet.

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2. Generally better physical build quality than most PC's. Again, NOT saying that you can get PC's with great build quality. IBM thinkpads are great I hear.


Ok, I've got an IBM Thinkpad 410, so I'm good on build quality


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3. iSeries CPU issue with SL1 & TTM57. If you ever need to hook up to one of the older interfaces, the mac will still be smooth sailing...


I'm on SL3, BUT it does have an iSeries CPU, but right now my current issue is with an XP video driver.

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4. Video, if you ever wanna get into video, mac's have proven a lot better up until now. Even though ME might be unsupported for the future.


Ok, I'm game (NM), has Serato ever vouched for this? ^^^^

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But it basically boils down to your personal preference, just like the turntables and different mixers, car brand, type of beverage etc... The only way to really find out, is to actually try...


Now, that is what I'm thinking, but everyone's always yelling about GET A MAC.

Is it because they don't know how to configure PC's? If that's the reason, I'm not spending MAC MONEY if both platforms can basically be tweaked to the same standard.
HYDRO MATIC 9:29 PM - 22 February, 2012
NO!^^^^^
load a time caspule...open your wireless page on any MAC device...type in two codes...tell it to share what or not.

DONE! Automatic backup and wireless conectivity...add an external to the time capsule for more storage...its your router, modem and storage solution all in one. For all your devices.
HYDRO MATIC 9:29 PM - 22 February, 2012
oh damn to many postst before my arrows lol
HYDRO MATIC 9:30 PM - 22 February, 2012
Yes DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 you can tweak a pc to act like a mac...but why tweak it...
CMOS 9:31 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Now, that is what I'm thinking, but everyone's always yelling about GET A MAC.

Is it because they don't know how to configure PC's? If that's the reason, I'm not spending MAC MONEY if both platforms can basically be tweaked to the same standard.



^^^^THIS!!!!

You already know your way around a PC. Why switch. MANNNNNN get off XP already, its almost 14 years old.

:P
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:32 PM - 22 February, 2012
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the os are very stable on an mac, much more user friendly, i really like how you can intergrade your phone, ipod, pad.
Back then,with windows, i could not multitask without my laptop crashing everytime.
on a mac, i can download music, watch a movie, play chess, do facebook & be on the serato forum at the same time. i could not do that on a pc back then.
Also, to me, itunes are way better than media player.
I been using a mac for about 9 years now, never looked back to pc.
I will say that pc has came somewhat a long way on their os system.
To me, it really depends on what your using a laptop or desktop for.
I say this, if your happy with working with your pc, then do you.


Ok, I WOULD like the laptop to do multiple things, BUT hate iTunes.

I am able to optimize my laptop to multitask without crashes, so does that come down to a person's inability, (or lack of desire) to tweak a laptop?

Do people really know what to do?
HYDRO MATIC 9:34 PM - 22 February, 2012
I can configure anything and everything I wanted to on my PC...(did home automation remotely for a few years as well)...but on a MAC its already set up...ready to go...and way faster for the stuff that is not.

IF you get a MAC and go back and forth youll just feel the strain...its either look at the physical components and see the higher value and construction and really dive in to be immersed..if not itll always be a burden.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:35 PM - 22 February, 2012
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- as long as you install the free security update, no need to worry about viruses/spyware/etc
- if you're going to do video mixing
- external hardisk, firewire 800/thunderbolt
- battery life and sleep (just close the screen), it just turn on instantly -
- you can stream your dj session in stickam/ustream using 1 mbpro
- you will look cooler, your dell sucks! :)


Aren't those things available on a PC/Laptop?

Where is it santified by Serato that Video mixing is better on a MAC? Not trying to be slick or nuffin, but I have yet to see Rane/Serato even take a side...

For example they HAVE endorsed the Shure's, so why not an OS platform, unless it REALLY depends on how well you tweak your laptop/OS?

LMAO @ my Dell sucking....ha ha.
CMOS 9:36 PM - 22 February, 2012
The only SOLID reason i could give was if you wanna do video. However i have a feeling that serato video will work well on both platforms and thats one of the reasons they went and redid the whole shabang IMO.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:38 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Man JM I went thru this on 2 other threads with u already. Just take the LEAP.
Mac is mainly better is because the OS is tailored just for their platform only, where as with pc the OS and periphials are fairly generic to fit a broad range of pc's which is what opens the WINDOWS (pun intended)to vulnerabilities and instabilities.


Ok, I smell you on this. Makes sense. The hardware is built for the OS.

BUT - Why isn't MAC so much more endorsed by Serato/Rane?
Joee 9:39 PM - 22 February, 2012
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you know that saying "once you go black you never go back" NH........LOL

the same applies for mac's everyone & i mean EVERYONE i know thats made the switch, Does not ever want to pic up a pc again, you just have to try for yourself to understand


Nope, not specific enough...

I need details....

WHAT about the MAC makes them never want to pick up a PC again?

I'm a tech head, so there has to be some substance before I switch...


all jokes aside, i'm not a tech head, i can't get it to all that, all i know is this i will never go back to a pc

it seem that everything is faster on a mac downloads etc. ,most thing are plug & play no drivers needed, i went to formate a drive on a pc it took forever, i do it on my mac & it's instant

i know you don't wanna here it, but there is a reason most people use macs, they just work better, retire that pc along with that realistic mixer, & get you a mac & some powered speakers MAN!!!!

man listen!!!!!!......lol.......& just so you know i'm an old cat just like you son, bin doing my thing for over 20 years
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:45 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I was a mac guy at work pc guy at home for 10 years...hated not being able to customize a mac to operate the way I wanted.

Had my pc set to auto backup remotely after 6 hrs idle time on tue and thurs ( my late work nights)...to auto on and download from promo (no misquote)...set to play TV & Radio on other TVs in the house wirelessly...and transfer files between the laptop and two destktops wirelessly as well...
This all took my 4-6 months to set up and dial in with constant tweaking and virus removal on top of heavy heavy audio edits daily.

This takes a toll on your machines and I constantly was replacing something which meant the multiple parts of the system would go down...

Fast forward to Mac...2 laptops, iphone, Ipad and IMAC with Time CApsule... once I finally added the time capsule...I was able to set up the whole system in about 4 hrs...not saying its not possible on PC becasue obvioulsy it was/is but the MAC world is about intergration.

Setting tasks to revolve around you...not the other way around.

Aside from that the build quality and fit is much tighter as they are only focused on a much smaller line of products to attend to. With customer service quality similar to RANE / Serato


Interesting...However, I'm a BIG FAN of being able to Customize my OS the way I want it to work, but I get what you're saying.

Question - For all the work that took you 4-6 Months to set up, vs now a few hours for a MAC.

How much of that was an actual learning curve of what you wanted to implement vs. the PC "holding you back", if you understand what I'm asking.

Basically, was that 4-6 months inclusive of you trying different scenarios, until you knew EXACTLY what you wanted, but now here comes a MAC, so wouldn't it just be easier to implement it in a few hours since you practiced getting it just right over the 4-6 months?

Like, instead of a MAC, would you have NOT been able to have configured a new PC in the same 4 hours?
Dj K.Smith 9:45 PM - 22 February, 2012
You're gonna overthink this one bruh... It's hard to site clear examples of why "this" is better than "that"...

No one metaphor would make sense over the other... Why are nikes more popular than any other shoe maker? Why foreign cars over domestic cars? Why SSL over Traktor? There would be strengths in every argument for each side.

What you have to do is just session with someone who uses a Mac and you take your PC and just field test it dude...
CMOS 9:46 PM - 22 February, 2012
Come to the lab ill show you serato on both mac and PC, bring dutches.

bwahahaha
Dj K.Smith 9:46 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Come to the lab ill show you serato on both mac and PC, bring dutches.

bwahahaha


LOL
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:48 PM - 22 February, 2012
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It's personal preference, but
1.) stability is known to be better because OS X is programmed to work with specific hardware, since Mac doesn't allow for much swapping of hardware. This is why you don't have to typically install drivers for OS X. But really,
2.) it's pretty much about the aesthetics for most people. Whether that's the aesthetics of the physical machine or OS X in general. They will just say it's more stable. The problem with this is that if a mac is not stable, it is harder to diagnose the problem since there's not as many customization options like in windows.

I am a PC person all the way when it comes to desktops and design/animation work, but macbook pros are sleek and compact and easy to carry around.
3.) The trackpad - Some people don't need to touch the laptop due to controllers ,etc, but if you need to scroll through tracks fast, swiping your fingers on the trackpad is an easy way to browse.


Thank you.

What's so special about a Trackpad, as my IBM has what I consider a Trackpad, so....unless I just have to use it to see the difference...
Dj K.Smith 9:49 PM - 22 February, 2012
When I went to NAMM, most of the dudes Dj'ing were on macs, but Faust and Shortee were doing it on a PC... Why? Who knows or cares for that matter...To each his own... But I know every since I switched from my 3 Dell PC's to Mac, I've never looked back... But that's just me... Why do you like a shadow fade over my dreads? What you got against dreads homey? LOLOL
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:50 PM - 22 February, 2012
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- if you want to add windows softwares, just add virtual box/vmware and you're all set


It's not about me hanging onto Windows like that, it's just that nobody has shown me a SOLID reason to switch to a MAC.

Everybody just says, MACS are just better, and I'm wondering if it's because people REALLY just don't know how to optimize PC's.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:52 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I switched to apple in 2004 before then I was all PC guy the reason why switched:

Mac OS systems did not crash on me when putting stress on the computer nor does is lock or freeze up as often as PC's

No tweaking needed it works great right out of the box if you tweak a Mac you run the risk of actually having it perform worse trust me I have done it

Software just worked like it should when I click to opena a program it opens. If a program freezes force quit normally closes it right away.

Mac OS makes better use of your systems ram and its not a processor hog leaving more for your software to run.

Graphics are top notch have you ever scene the wave forms scroll on a mac then watch the same wave forms scroll on a PC its almost night and day difference in the smoothness and speed

Apple care is top notch if you want to pay for it, I have had a mac not power on due to a resistor on the motherbaord burning out. They just dropped a new mac in my lap no questions asked.

I could go on and on when you join the apple fam its like a religion we relish in our God like computer....lol


Ok, now we're getting somewhere....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:52 PM - 22 February, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:55 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Ask yourself this, how many of your dj homies have macs vs the ones still rocking pc's?


Good Question

Dazz - PC
Deez - PC
You - PC now MAC
Smoove - MAC
Crushin' - PC
Qua - MAC
Dj K.Smith 9:56 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Ask yourself this, how many of your dj homies have macs vs the ones still rocking pc's?


Good Question

Dazz - PC
Deez - PC
You - PC now MAC
Smoove - MAC
Crushin' - PC
Qua - MAC


3-3 so far...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:59 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Or look at it the other way, What are solid reasons why you should stay with your PC?


Well, I'm a PC technician by trade, so I know these things inside and out.

Only now since I just acquired an IBM Thinkpad 410, have I run into issues running Serato.

Supposidly it's come down to the XP Video driver in correlation with the i5 chip.

( I loaded XP from scratch).

I was told the XP video driver is causing issues, and to "Upgrade to Win 7".

Now my thinking, is that maybe that WON'T solve the issue, OR that maybe Win 7 may have some OTHER issue with say, an audio driver...

So before I go the WIN 7 route, I wanted to see WHAT REALLY makes MACS so "Great"?

Or is it that cats just REALLY don't have the time, energy, or knowhow to configure a PC?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:59 PM - 22 February, 2012
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outside of price...


BINGO.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:00 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Yes DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 you can tweak a pc to act like a mac...but why tweak it...


What do you mean to "Run like a MAC"?

I tweak them just to run GOOD by default...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:08 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Im a PC guy through and through. I do all my edits, production, downloading taggins sorting, everything on the PC.

My PC blows away my macbook in the speed department for serato, things load faster. My Macbook is slower but smoother on the serato experience.

I personally still hate the Mac OS for anything other than spinning serato.

My PC would never have audible dropouts, but that lil light came on all the time. The screen would freeze and jerk a bit more than my Mac.

Would any of this stop me from using Serato on a PC, No.

Really the only reason i run a Macbook is because i got a brand new MacBook for $400.

My next laptop will probably be a PC and ill go back to using serato on it. Reasons are, this is what i know really well, anything that happens out in the field i can fix.


TO sum up, does the mac run better than the PC for serato, yes a tiny bit. Is this tiny bit something that would make me spend 1500 bucks, no. Especially for someone like JM that is a PC guy for years, i dont think the difference is that much to have to learn a whole new OS and spend all that money for the same hardware.


YOU ARE THAT DUDE....

That is EXACTLY how my PC (old HP) performs to the "T"!!!

And what kills me is that the OLD one (HP/Compaq 6710b). I upgraded it to 3GB of RAM and a 500GB harddrive. Installed the OS myself, so no bloatware, and it ran Serato like a champ.

Enter the NEW IBM Thinkpad with the i5 Chip, the ability to do 4 tracks at a time as far as Overviews are concerned, and it runs like LIGHTING, except for scrolling in Serato.

So, now I either had to Purchase Win 7 and HOPE it solves my problems, but before that, I wanted to know if the MAC was a Superior product, and why.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:11 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I agree with CMOS. The reason I got a mac was because I needed a new laptop and a new desktop, so I decided that buying a macbook pro and a dock would cost about the same amount of money as a pc laptop and desktop, and i could use it for both. I was DJing on average 3-4 times a week for 6 years on the same HP laptop and never had a problem. I had one crash, ever, but it was a power surge that rebooted the 57 as well so the music would have gone off even if it was a mac.

I like my new macbook pro, but it's sitting about 10 feet away from me while I type this on one of my PC laptops...so it's not one of those "once you go mac you'll never go back" situations for me either.


Ok, same boat I'm in...Used the PC with NO PROBLEMS, until now with the new jawn, so I appreciate the insight....

So far there is nothing convincing me that I should spend 1500 MORE to get a LITTLE bit of performance boost...considering I'm not into video.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:12 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Because your old as dirt and dont need to wase time confuguring a pc to work well

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Plus its very compadible with your med alret bracelets


lol, My med alert bracelet is plug and play buddy..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:13 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Because your old as dirt and dont need to wase time confuguring a pc to work well


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this is just Plan WRONG!!!!!!!!!

do they even still make, that help i'm falling and i can't get up thing?


johnny just uses his sample player and the airhorn when he falls in the booth lol

LMFAO..........you starting beef son


Man, he ain't got no jokes...ha ha.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:15 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)


Again, I need specifics....

What DON'T you have to configure on a MAC, that you DO have to configure on a PC?


Anything lol,for one you never.have to worry about drivers, or defragging


Who defrags on NTFS anymore?

That's a myth my dude...

Besides DISKSPACE IS CHEAP, and NTFS is efficient...so unless someone is using up GIGAGOOGLES of space, that's a non issue.
BERTO 10:15 PM - 22 February, 2012
High resale value if you decide to upgrade or just sell. Apple's resale value is awesome you can get 250 for a used iphone compared to 18 dollars if that for blackberry of equal msrp, check Gazelle.com for prices
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:17 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)


Again, I need specifics....

What DON'T you have to configure on a MAC, that you DO have to configure on a PC?


Nothing really, when they say "all the configuration" it means uninstalling the bloatware that comes on a new PC.

As a matter of fact one of the forum guys PMed me about his new machine getting dropouts. I had him uninstall the dell backup program, uninstall norton and install something lighter, and he has been problem free. There arent really any tweaks necessary unless you are running an under powered machine.


And here we go with cats not knowing how to configure a PC...

I'm installing the OS from Scratch, so I'm aware of EACH DRIVER and piece of software, how it starts up, and how much memory it uses...vs. a cat trying to uninstall bloatware, that's the worst...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:18 PM - 22 February, 2012
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LOL! So I should buy one, so I can sell it later....

Nah man, I generally buy for KEEPS....but the idea is to get Quality products.
DJ DisGrace 10:18 PM - 22 February, 2012
two finger scroll = win (NM)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:19 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I really think a lot of people on this forum got burned with vista and think 7 is the same beast. Vista required a lot of tinkering, 7 is good out the box as long a your manufacturer didnt load the machine up with other programs. Most do this, so it requires 10 min of uninstalling unnecessary crap before you can use the PC to its full potential.

Macs dont come with other programs installed, this is also how PC manufacturers keep the price down as these companies pay to get their apps installed by default. I just read something about google paying Sony a ton of money to make Chrome the default browser on the machines when you first start it up.


Gotchu....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:21 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Now, that is what I'm thinking, but everyone's always yelling about GET A MAC.

Is it because they don't know how to configure PC's? If that's the reason, I'm not spending MAC MONEY if both platforms can basically be tweaked to the same standard.


^^^^THIS!!!!

You already know your way around a PC. Why switch. MANNNNNN get off XP already, its almost 14 years old.

:P


LOL, to tell the truth, I JUST got my hands on a Volume License of Win & Pro, (both 32 & 64), so it's about to on like popcorn....
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 10:22 PM - 22 February, 2012
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BUT - Why isn't MAC so much more endorsed by Serato/Rane?

When I first came on the forum in 2007 or so - I was the biggest Mac fan boy - telling everybody why Macs were better (carry over from being passionate since I was a Apple Retail rep for Sears, CompUSa and Circuit city). I got into it with the Mac bashers but one of the forum homies (Kagen) made realize how stupid it was - I use the best fucking Computer OS in the world for DJing - why should I get mad and frustrated because some PC lover doesn't believe me.

A short while later - even Serato/Rane support began to "recommend" Macs because they were less problematic.

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This alone makes it worthwhile to switch!!!!!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:22 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I can configure anything and everything I wanted to on my PC...(did home automation remotely for a few years as well)...but on a MAC its already set up...ready to go...and way faster for the stuff that is not.

IF you get a MAC and go back and forth youll just feel the strain...its either look at the physical components and see the higher value and construction and really dive in to be immersed..if not itll always be a burden.


Gotchu.
Voltmod 10:22 PM - 22 February, 2012
I think either windows 7 or os x 10.6 is stable. I would not recommend using Lion yet. Either way, if you take care of your machine both are stable and both can crash.

The only thing i recommend is getting either and running the fan at a higher RPM. I also recommend creating a designated partition for mixing to avoid any driver or setting conflicts.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:23 PM - 22 February, 2012
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The only SOLID reason i could give was if you wanna do video. However i have a feeling that serato video will work well on both platforms and thats one of the reasons they went and redid the whole shabang IMO.


Gotchu.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:28 PM - 22 February, 2012
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i know you don't wanna here it, but there is a reason most people use macs, they just work better, retire that pc along with that realistic mixer, & get you a mac & some powered speakers MAN!!!!

man listen!!!!!!......lol.......& just so you know i'm an old cat just like you son, bin doing my thing for over 20 years


From what I'm getting, the "REASON" why people use MAC is because of the simplicity of the SETUP. BUT they're paying a PREMIUM for it, and if I can so the SAME setup on a PC for 1500 bucks less, and achieve the same results, then WHY go to a MAC?

I've always said that MAC are for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY...as a joke...

But I need to be able to not look at a MAC take a DUMP, and only be left with the option of taking it to Apple....if a PC fails in the field, I can take some sticks and straws and make it work....
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:29 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Who defrags on NTFS anymore?

That's a myth my dude...



No clue im on.a mac I dont gotta deal with it lol, look bottom line is your good times vinyl rip will play on both so it wint matter, matter of fact youll look like a fool using a cutting edge laptop with ur 1972 realistic mixer,now when you finallyget ur hand on a video edit of goodtimes that u wana juggle to death THEN look into a mac
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:29 PM - 22 February, 2012
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What you have to do is just session with someone who uses a Mac and you take your PC and just field test it dude...


^^^This...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:31 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Come to the lab ill show you serato on both mac and PC, bring dutches.

bwahahaha


Ha, what's a Dutch?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:32 PM - 22 February, 2012
I might take u up on that offer tho CMOS...

Just haven't found my way to Brooklyn in quite some time...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:34 PM - 22 February, 2012
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When I went to NAMM, most of the dudes Dj'ing were on macs, but Faust and Shortee were doing it on a PC... Why? Who knows or cares for that matter...To each his own... But I know every since I switched from my 3 Dell PC's to Mac, I've never looked back... But that's just me... Why do you like a shadow fade over my dreads? What you got against dreads homey? LOLOL


Man, Dreads are too much to take CARE of ....like PC's!

I keep a low fade - Low maintenance - Like a MAC...

But seriously, WHY haven't you looked back? And you traded in 3 DELLS for 1 MAC, ? I want to be clear...
phatbob 10:35 PM - 22 February, 2012
I was interested to see this post having read your help request, Johnny. (I read them all, it helps me learn).

From the point of view of a software developer, cases like yours must drive them mental!

You're using current hardware with an ancient OS, your graphics card drivers are apparently not compatible with XP. Now let's be clear, you know your PCs. You're not some noob.

But take situations like that, and multiply it by every CPU, every motherboard, every GPU, every range of drivers for those parts, every variety of windows, the service packs, the antivirus and anti spyware conflicts, all of those HUGE amounts of variables in the Wintel ecosystem.

Now look at Mac. In the last 5 years, how many varieties of graphics card? How many unusual CPUs? How many varieties of the OS beyond point updates which work on EVERY available machine?

Nothing stopped you installing XP on that laptop. Can I go back and install Panther on my 2011 MBP? No. Apple are quick to draw boundaries around their machines. Now, we can all agree that comes at a price; a lack of freedom.

But for a software developer, it must be a WORLD of difference optimising a high-performance piece of software for Mac and Windows.

And that is why for a program like Scratch Live, the mac version will always be more plug-and-play.

And that's why I use a mac.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:36 PM - 22 February, 2012
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A short while later - even Serato/Rane support began to "recommend" Macs because they were less problematic.


Ok, WHERE?
Joee 10:38 PM - 22 February, 2012
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i know you don't wanna here it, but there is a reason most people use macs, they just work better, retire that pc along with that realistic mixer, & get you a mac & some powered speakers MAN!!!!

man listen!!!!!!......lol.......& just so you know i'm an old cat just like you son, bin doing my thing for over 20 years


From what I'm getting, the "REASON" why people use MAC is because of the simplicity of the SETUP. BUT they're paying a PREMIUM for it, and if I can so the SAME setup on a PC for 1500 bucks less, and achieve the same results, then WHY go to a MAC?

I've always said that MAC are for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY...as a joke...

But I need to be able to not look at a MAC take a DUMP, and only be left with the option of taking it to Apple....if a PC fails in the field, I can take some sticks and straws and make it work....

being from the old school, another way to look at it is, if it's not brooke don't fix it......but we all have to try new things every now and than

when i paid, i think $500 for my ttm 52 i thought that was too much, if you ever told mer that one day i would be paying $1,600 for i mixer, i would have said.......

ARE YOU F@CKIG CRAZY, yet i sit here today playing nh with my new 62
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:41 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I was interested to see this post having read your help request, Johnny. (I read them all, it helps me learn).

From the point of view of a software developer, cases like yours must drive them mental!

You're using current hardware with an ancient OS, your graphics card drivers are apparently not compatible with XP. Now let's be clear, you know your PCs. You're not some noob.

But take situations like that, and multiply it by every CPU, every motherboard, every GPU, every range of drivers for those parts, every variety of windows, the service packs, the antivirus and anti spyware conflicts, all of those HUGE amounts of variables in the Wintel ecosystem.

Now look at Mac. In the last 5 years, how many varieties of graphics card? How many unusual CPUs? How many varieties of the OS beyond point updates which work on EVERY available machine?

Nothing stopped you installing XP on that laptop. Can I go back and install Panther on my 2011 MBP? No. Apple are quick to draw boundaries around their machines. Now, we can all agree that comes at a price; a lack of freedom.

But for a software developer, it must be a WORLD of difference optimising a high-performance piece of software for Mac and Windows.

And that is why for a program like Scratch Live, the mac version will always be more plug-and-play.

And that's why I use a mac.


From a SOFTWARE Developer's point of view MAC should rule by default, because, like you said, there's a small area to work in. Lines are drawn.

But again, you'd think that MAC would AT LEAST get the nod (and I reference the Shures again), like how they pointed you in the "desired" direction for needles...

Even there, I'm using Ortofons, so again, that's against the grain, but they don't make mention...is it that they don't want to piss off Microsoft?

Less driver support for Serato for Windows users?

Serato can't make all users go out and buy a MAC, so is there the chance that they think they'd be isolating the Windows users into using a competitive product?

Who knows...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:43 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Dazz - PC
Deez - PC
You - PC now MAC
Smoove - MAC
Crushin' - PC
Qua - MAC


3-3 so far...


And Smoove and Qua are not as Tech savvy as I (no Diss, they my dudes and all(NM)), but could it just be that those who are NOT TECH SAVVY will choose a MAC, just because of that reason?
phatbob 10:48 PM - 22 February, 2012
I'm sure that Serato understand that a lot of people will use Windows, either by choice or because of their budget. It seems very sensible to try and support both platforms, especially as Wintel is so dominant in the market, even if it is harder to provide a problem-free product for everyone.

But as a user, if you are speccing a machine solely for DJing, and you've got the money, I'm saying buy a mac every time, for the reasons I outlined above. It's the easiest route to satisfaction, and I'm happy to pay for that.
L2daGee 11:05 PM - 22 February, 2012
Mac all the way.
Dj Bacik 11:07 PM - 22 February, 2012
Things I like about having my mac are these:

1. Easy to upgrade to newest hardware and keep everything the same. I just take my hdd from one mac to another and it just works. On pc laptops there would always be a driver issue with something. And that typically happened with the wifi driver so I could never connect to the internet to download it.

2. Easy to repartition my hdd to accommodate a testing OS or even Windows. I have added and removed so many secondary installs of OSX to test my Serato before taking it out into the real world. I even partitioned my hdd so I have my work OS during the day with all my programs and my Dj OS at night with just Serato and VSL.

3. Applecare. I know there are other warranties out there but Applecare is truly worth every penny. I typically never wait more than a day for a repair to be made to my laptop and have even had parts replaced due to accidental damage.

4. Time machine. Its built in and a snap to configure. Has saved my butt multiple times.

Plus this looks to be an awesome adapter to cut down on all the wires running to my laptop as is. My idea is that with this I plug in thunderbolt. Then I can plug in Serato, external drives, and video out with either hdmi or display port.

www.belkin.com
Laz219 11:13 PM - 22 February, 2012
I always feel like the odd one out in these threads.

Had (two) PCs, ran 100% flawlessly with SSL for years.
I have a mac now (because insurance paid for one when a laptop got stolen) except for the waveforms looking smoother scrolling...I don't see anything else different for SSL.
Maybe it's just me...but I hate the OSX operating system.

My next laptop most likely will still be a MBP, but only because I want to get into video.
BERTO 11:13 PM - 22 February, 2012
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LOL! So I should buy one, so I can sell it later....

Nah man, I generally buy for KEEPS....but the idea is to get Quality products.

Well as with most things newer, or better things come out you still have option of selli glike the 57 selling for very good price when 62 dropped, i bought a powerbook g4 for 400 dollars a few years back, sold it for 350 two years later. Its an option to sell, but it is a buying point for future of Mac you may buy. Works the same with cars a honda crv has a WAY higher resale value than a civic... People like having that option of making some money back when getting new equipment.
Dj Mike P. 11:32 PM - 22 February, 2012
Switched to mac about a year ago. I prefer it for most things but with scratch live it was all the same. If Windows just upgraded Xp instead of that Vista and 7 crap I'd probably still rock one on a Sony Vaio or something. All other computers in my house are pc though.
DJ Tecniq 12:06 AM - 23 February, 2012
Just sayin and this is a true story...I had to use my pc for awhile cause my mac's power cord stopped working. A pc which had no virus software or spyware installed...the minute i used it to go online i got spyware immediately by just browsing normal websites..didn't take me long to get rid of the spyware as i know how to troubleshoot it...anyways few weeks went by and I had the mac up and running again with a new power cord. Turns out I got hacked from my itunes account the day I had to use the pc. My itunes is tied into my paypal which is then tied into my bank account...I had two unauthorized charges from itunes the date I used the pc. I got the charges cleared and the money back into my bank account. It was a major hassle. My main point is that a Mac works right out of the box you are protected with security updates and never have to worry about buying virus/spyware to protect you. This should be every reason for you to get a mac. I love windows but Mac OSX blows it out the fucking water. A windows machine is far easier to hack into than a mac. Mac's can get viruses but it is so very rare. I have even downloaded virus software for my mac and scanned my computer for viruses....and guess what? Not 1 virus so I uninstalled it with Mac OSX you are protected..I can browse music, websites, porn and still be protected...oh and you can forget about popups cause mac's block em.
DJ Tecniq 12:10 AM - 23 February, 2012
And I payed $2400 for my Macbook Pro 15". Was it worth it? Umm..to never have to buy another laptop for many years..YES! Lifespan of a Mac will last longer than a PC. Truth..
Dj Bacik 1:08 AM - 23 February, 2012
Ain't that the truth Truth.
blnkdagr 1:34 AM - 23 February, 2012
If you make a Serato thread to make others convince you to buy a Mac, it's probably your subconscience trying to tell you to go with the Mac.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 1:37 AM - 23 February, 2012
Can I have your PC when you go to the Darkside Johnny?
Voltmod 1:38 AM - 23 February, 2012
I prefer windows for most everything, but that's because I can build a blazing fast liquid cooled desktop for the amount i'd get a shitty hardware macbook pro... but we're talking about DJing aren't we?
I fully agree with the software developer above saying macs are built with specific hardware in mind, so there aren't as many conflicts going on with drivers but also less freedom. That's the first thing i mentioned earlier in the thread.

However, as all parts of a DJ setup, it comes down to budget and personal preference. I only mix with a mac because I had one to begin with. I only got one to begin with because I always told myself i'd get a macbook pro if I bought a laptop. This is because it's compact, and I work tech support for a university, so knowing all OS's is nice. If i was buying a laptop solely for DJing, I would definitely buy a win7 machine. Spills, money, hardware, chaos, etc. Lenovo makes laptops that are practically bulletproof, and that's why lots of medical centers use Lenovo machines (not to mention windows is much easier for network/domain configuring).

There's a lot of organization that goes on with DJing though, so if someone is more comfortable in windows, I would not at all recommend a mac considering how little there are major problems on either system, especially if you know what you're doing. (below)

Even if you're on windows, creating a partition just to be used for DJing with nothing but drivers and serato installed and no internet connection/wireless/bluetooth, you're not going to have that many problems that you need to pay hundreds extra to get a mac.

It's really all about being prepared and knowing your operating systems and optimization tricks.
willythekidd 3:27 AM - 23 February, 2012
i'm a pc guy but i use my macbook air to spin with. i originally got a MBP a few years ago and I wasn't impressed with it really. i had more crashes on it than i did my older and lower spec'd thinkpad. but i recently got an air i fell in love with it. it doesn't get very hot after a night of spinning...having a SSD is amazing...and i could probably gig a night without plugging it in because the battery is so kick ass. also, despite having my air for just a few months, I am still impressed with it's form factor.

also apple's customer service is killer, especially if you have an apple store near you. this is huge for those of us who make a living off our computers

I use my thinkpad for day to day use and my mac to dj with. on that note, lenovo has some amazing machines and some of the best customer service i've ever seen. i think i could happily switch to one of their machines and be equally as happy.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:00 AM - 23 February, 2012
Props to everybody that's responded...

I guess part of my fear is that I'm a control freak. I've seen a LOT of threads on here about y'all that own MACS going through the WRINGER just to do simple stuff like upgrade a harddrive, about the height not being able to fit into a UNIBODY or whatever it's called...also memory upgrades, and like if anything goes wrong you HAVE to go use Apple Care for something that the average user can't fix...or is that also the average TECH?

So, like I said, I've got a Thinkpad, I'm Lenovo certified, and they have pretty good service regardless, (except when it comes to updating video drivers for XP, > :(.

Case in point, what about the buffer settings?

How tight can you go with the average MAC for a DJ such as myself, who is not a QBERT, but likes a tight intergration between vinyl response time and record movement?
DJ Michael Basic 6:38 AM - 23 February, 2012
To be fair JM...the hard drive height thing is universal. For a while, the only 1TB laptop drives available were 12.5mm high instead of the standard 9.5 so they didn't fit in most laptops, PC and Mac.
RogerRabbit 7:06 AM - 23 February, 2012
Get a MAC for the OS X knowledge..

You never know when your clients are going be using MAC's

I like all things technology.. I plan to get a mac also eventually, solely to conquer the workings of another OS..

I was contacted twice late last year to fix 2 computers - I couldn't do it cause they were Mac's - I thought to myself - you messed 2 paydays because you are exclusively a "pc guy"...
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 7:29 AM - 23 February, 2012
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fixed
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Hassle 11:40 AM - 23 February, 2012
Opposite to Windows, Mac's OS runs everything separate, so when there's an issue with whatever process and it crashes, the rest of the system will still be working. the OSX is based on Linux and that kinda structure is also used for like army missiles, so reliability is very important.

I was a PC guy to the bone as well, I had my XP tweaked to the max for Serato and it worked well. I hated Mac and the image around the brand, but right now, I'd never go back to PC for SSL. But.....almost everything else, I still do with an XP laptop
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:32 PM - 23 February, 2012
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To be fair JM...the hard drive height thing is universal. For a while, the only 1TB laptop drives available were 12.5mm high instead of the standard 9.5 so they didn't fit in most laptops, PC and Mac.


I've never had an issue with replacing a harddrive, and never (until reading in this forum), knew that the HEIGHT of the drive was even a factor.

Only when people talk about MACS would something like that come up.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:34 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Get a MAC for the OS X knowledge..

You never know when your clients are going be using MAC's

I like all things technology.. I plan to get a mac also eventually, solely to conquer the workings of another OS..

I was contacted twice late last year to fix 2 computers - I couldn't do it cause they were Mac's - I thought to myself - you messed 2 paydays because you are exclusively a "pc guy"...


See, now THIS makes perfect sense, and I would be MUCH more inclined to lean towards this, however, NOBODY, wait, I did get ONE request for service on a MAC....and had to turn it down in the last year....

And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:39 PM - 23 February, 2012
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I was contacted twice late last year to fix 2 computers - I couldn't do it cause they were Mac's - I thought to myself - you messed 2 easy paydays out of the 1000's & 1000's of PC repairs because you are exclusively a "pc guy"...


fixed
: )


LOL! This is mad funny. This is a double edged sword...

For one, it keeps you employed, with lots of side work opportunity as all I do is show cats the GEEK SQUAD prices, and just charge them 50% - 75% of whatever that cost is...

But, I'm the type of tech that likes to know and create my own environment for a customer, so most times I can convince them to let me back up the data, wipe the drive, reinstall the OS and software, configure it "correctly", and I NEVER hear from them again.

I'm a strong believer in "Do it right the 1st time".
DJ Remy USA 12:42 PM - 23 February, 2012
^^^ you just 60% described my day job
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:02 PM - 23 February, 2012
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^^^ you just 60% described my day job


Ha! Don't quit it, there's a lot of money in it!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:10 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Opposite to Windows, Mac's OS runs everything separate, so when there's an issue with whatever process and it crashes, the rest of the system will still be working. the OSX is based on Linux and that kinda structure is also used for like army missiles, so reliability is very important.

I was a PC guy to the bone as well, I had my XP tweaked to the max for Serato and it worked well. I hated Mac and the image around the brand, but right now, I'd never go back to PC for SSL. But.....almost everything else, I still do with an XP laptop


This may be me...I don't have an iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, and don't embrace anything Apple related, as they've always been a "Closed" system, yet with something like iTunes, is Front End friendly, but behind the scenes is a nightmare...

But again, an EXTRA 1500 for marginal improvement just isn't cutting it at the moment...
dj_craigmac 3:20 PM - 23 February, 2012
Hey JM !!! Don't get a MAC. If it's taking all of this influencing and sales pitches then u really don't want one or need one. Stick with your PC since it works for u. MAC aint for everybody.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:53 PM - 23 February, 2012
Fuck it get a mac install bootcamp and run windows if its that.big of a deal
Dj K.Smith 4:09 PM - 23 February, 2012
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But seriously, WHY haven't you looked back? And you traded in 3 DELLS for 1 MAC, ? I want to be clear... {/quote]

Macs are easier to deal with. The OS is smooth and seems to function better with serato. Don't get me wrong my 1st lappy was a dell XPS i custom built and it was solid. I just didn't know much about macs at the time and had always been a PC guy. I guess the change for me was when video came out and all the PC's were havong issues and the macs were cool... That influenced me to switch and I'm glad I did...

But as stated by Craigmac, if you still need this much selling, stick with what works... It's not that hard of a decision. Go try out someone's mac the next time you guys session and put it to the test...
DJ Remy USA 5:09 PM - 23 February, 2012
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^^^ you just 60% described my day job


Ha! Don't quit it, there's a lot of money in it!


I'd never quit my job unless I could make some serious cheddar from DJing
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:17 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Hey JM !!! Don't get a MAC. If it's taking all of this influencing and sales pitches then u really don't want one or need one. Stick with your PC since it works for u. MAC aint for everybody.


I'm looking at my options....and you can't use that Jedi mind trick...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:19 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Fuck it get a mac install bootcamp and run windows if its that.big of a deal


So you don't think 1500 bucks is a big deal?
DJ Remy USA 5:25 PM - 23 February, 2012
Johnny one more thing I wanted to add about the mac vs PC debate.

Me and my wife use to share one mac computer. I had the 2 monitors set up and I could DJ on serato on one screen while she did whatever on the other screen without any hiccups and we operated like that for a long time. I know on a windows machine I would have problems multi tasking without the OS freezing up
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:29 PM - 23 February, 2012
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But seriously, WHY haven't you looked back? And you traded in 3 DELLS for 1 MAC, ? I want to be clear...


Macs are easier to deal with. The OS is smooth and seems to function better with serato. Don't get me wrong my 1st lappy was a dell XPS i custom built and it was solid. I just didn't know much about macs at the time and had always been a PC guy. I guess the change for me was when video came out and all the PC's were havong issues and the macs were cool... That influenced me to switch and I'm glad I did...

But as stated by Craigmac, if you still need this much selling, stick with what works... It's not that hard of a decision. Go try out someone's mac the next time you guys session and put it to the test...


Don't get me wrong, I don't need that much "Selling", but then again, don't you do as much investigation as possible before making a major purchase?

I'm not the one to "Take the Leap", just because...

u smell me?

I wanted to know from cats that can give a DEFINITIVE ANSWER as to why a MAC would be better to DJ with vs. a PC.

Especially from a technical perspective.

All that "Just get it" doesn't cut it.

What it's really coming down to is that you can get the same level of performance from a LAPTOP if you know how to CONFIGURE a laptop effectively.

Some may not want to invest the time, or just may not know the innards like that.

Props to all who responded, both from a technical and non-technical perspective.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:30 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Johnny one more thing I wanted to add about the mac vs PC debate.

Me and my wife use to share one mac computer. I had the 2 monitors set up and I could DJ on serato on one screen while she did whatever on the other screen without any hiccups and we operated like that for a long time. I know on a windows machine I would have problems multi tasking without the OS freezing up


Wow...Ok, good to know...
DJ Dynamight 5:31 PM - 23 February, 2012
Johnny, pop in a spare hard drive in your Lenovo & load Win 7. You'll have 30 days before you'll need to register it.... Use that time to see how it works with Serato. You don't need a Mac.
HYDRO MATIC 5:35 PM - 23 February, 2012
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3

You asked if it was learning what I wanted or the apps....in a sense it was learning...but it was learnig what would operate how I wanted it...not what I wanted.

Honestly thought I was giving these options up when I finally swithed.

I like you am a control freak...and everything I wanted to tweak with two exceptions I was able to tweak on my macs for free...in Windows they are all system functions (part of the OS which really is a problem) But on my mac they are handled by third party apps...and it does it at a level I thought not possiblle on mac.

You stated your self youve had 1...ONE mac repair job request...and countless PCs...MESSAGE!
I installed a 2nd harddrive in my mac...reapaired a freinds cracked screen...ive swapped out other djs bluetooths...speakers...etc etc...its not hard...if not easier since the lines are all set up similar.

The only reason you saw the harddrive question for macs is becuase our systems are so similar that its an easy answer. The question came up for me with the PC as well trying to go with that large of a drive and the only answer there was to research manufacurer, serial number for chip set, then find what hard drive...yada yada... with the mac it was literally ...hey will this work hey does this work with this model...yes or no.



let me ask you DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 : What is it that you have set up on PC that you worry wont translate in the MAC relm?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:44 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Johnny, pop in a spare hard drive in your Lenovo & load Win 7. You'll have 30 days before you'll need to register it.... Use that time to see how it works with Serato. You don't need a Mac.

Ma dude, you see where I'm at!

I just (YESTERDAY), acquired a Volume License for Win Pro 7, and a spare Sata, so you have stated EXACTLY what I have in mind.... :-).
echa1945mf 5:46 PM - 23 February, 2012
i keep telling you its that glowing half eaten apple !













































hahahahaha im just kidding , all i know after almost 3 years using a custom mod HP laptop ,then bought a standart macbook white,i feel the difference in response in using SSL , i dont know why,im not exactly tech savvy ,after a while that macbook pro aint cutting it anymore,im in lust for more speed, more power ! thus copping the i7 macbok pro,strip it bare with only time machine,itunes,traktor,SSL and ableton installed

i only use ableton for my live band,my whole studio is windows based,i still produce in windows
echa1945mf 5:47 PM - 23 February, 2012
*macbook


afgan kush aint exactly a friendly forum browsing snack LOL
DJ Dynamight 5:51 PM - 23 February, 2012
Cool. I also have a T410 with Win 7 as my backup laptop. Serato works fine on it...
echa1945mf 5:58 PM - 23 February, 2012
and yes ssl works flawessly on my hp laptop in those 3 years of using a windows pc,no problem at all , if i recall i never experienced crashing on those hp laptops , i really dont know why i bought a macbook in the first place,just some spontaneous buy while taking my girl to get an iphone (nope i dont have an iphone,im a blackberry guy)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:03 PM - 23 February, 2012
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let me ask you DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 : What is it that you have set up on PC that you worry wont translate in the MAC relm?


It's not necessary a particular app, versus going through the entire learning curve of the OS of MACS, and possibly having to rely on someone else, (Applecare) to resolve issues that I normally would have full access to via a PC/Laptop.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:04 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Cool. I also have a T410 with Win 7 as my backup laptop. Serato works fine on it...


HA! I knew if I kept digging someone would pop up with a similar configuration.

A Thinkpad 410 right?

Just to confirm, what video card do you have?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:04 PM - 23 February, 2012
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let me ask you DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 : What is it that you have set up on PC that you worry wont translate in the MAC relm?


It's not necessary a particular app, versus going through the entire learning curve of the OS of MACS, and possibly having to rely on someone else, (Applecare) to resolve issues that I normally would have full access to via a PC/Laptop.


Oh, and an extra 1500 bucks.
Mike_P 6:04 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Get a MAC for the OS X knowledge..

You never know when your clients are going be using MAC's

I like all things technology.. I plan to get a mac also eventually, solely to conquer the workings of another OS..

I was contacted twice late last year to fix 2 computers - I couldn't do it cause they were Mac's - I thought to myself - you messed 2 paydays because you are exclusively a "pc guy"...


See, now THIS makes perfect sense, and I would be MUCH more inclined to lean towards this, however, NOBODY, wait, I did get ONE request for service on a MAC....and had to turn it down in the last year....

And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....

I gives a fuck what you do...but read what you wrote there. Then put two and two together. I hope, for your sake, that you can come up with four.
sixxx 6:16 PM - 23 February, 2012
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I gives a fuck what you do...but read what you wrote there. Then put two and two together. I hope, for your sake, that you can come up with four.


Here. I will help.

And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....

...

I bought an iBook in 2004 when I got Serato. Never once did I have problems with it or had to take it to the Apple store or whatever.

I bought a Macbook in 2007 to replace that iBook so I could do video, sold it at the end of last year... Never an issue or a problem.

Bought a MBP quad core... no problems so far.

I hope you see where I'm going with this.

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As far as the comment about hard drives not fitting in Macs and fitting in PC's.... have you seen the size of those PC laptops? You could put an entire external in there, case and all! lol

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:17 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Get a MAC for the OS X knowledge..

You never know when your clients are going be using MAC's

I like all things technology.. I plan to get a mac also eventually, solely to conquer the workings of another OS..

I was contacted twice late last year to fix 2 computers - I couldn't do it cause they were Mac's - I thought to myself - you messed 2 paydays because you are exclusively a "pc guy"...


See, now THIS makes perfect sense, and I would be MUCH more inclined to lean towards this, however, NOBODY, wait, I did get ONE request for service on a MAC....and had to turn it down in the last year....

And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....

I gives a fuck what you do...but read what you wrote there. Then put two and two together. I hope, for your sake, that you can come up with four.


Let me add that up for you.....and give you a lesson at interpretation to boot...

NOWHERE ANYWHERE did I say I'VE ever had to constantly repair MY PC or LAPTOP, so those numbers mean nothing to me, except a way to stay employed and make some loot.

So AGAIN, we're back to the reason for buying a MAC...

Is it mostly because people don't want to be BOTHERED with configuring a PC, or lack the knowhow...

Or is it just a better machine all around...and worth 1500 bucks to upgrade over a comparable laptop.

Add that up.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:20 PM - 23 February, 2012
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I gives a fuck what you do...but read what you wrote there. Then put two and two together. I hope, for your sake, that you can come up with four.


Here. I will help.

And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....

I bought an iBook in 2004 when I got Serato. Never once did I have problems with it or had to take it to the Apple store or whatever.

I bought a Macbook in 2007 to replace that iBook so I could do video, sold it at the end of last year... Never an issue or a problem.

Bought a MBP quad core... no problems so far.

I hope you see where I'm going with this.

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As far as the comment about hard drives not fitting in Macs and fitting in PC's.... have you seen the size of those PC laptops? You could put an entire external in there, case and all! lol

nm


Right, and in the same breath, I'VE NEVER had to take any of MY laptops or PC's in for ANY type of service...

Now, I'm hearing about how great Apple care is, and that leads me to believe that when you get a MAC get the Applecare, because you're gonna need it.....
sixxx 6:20 PM - 23 February, 2012
This is what I've experienced just by watching close friends who own PC's.

Oh, I gotta tweak this.

Oh, I gotta remove viruses.

Oh, I gotta reinstall everything.



....

With Macs, I've never even THINK about getting a virus. Yes, there are some trojans out there but you would basically have to install them yourself to make them work. lol

The reality is.... Macs are less trouble free BECAUSE THE HARDWARE was specifically designed to work with the software/OS.

If you do switch to a Mac, you're gonna feel like a noob and like KaGeN, you're going to have some serious problems with it... because you're going to be thinking like a PC man.

Watch.

nm
sixxx 6:23 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Now, I'm hearing about how great Apple care is, and that leads me to believe that when you get a MAC get the Applecare, because you're gonna need it.....


Negative. I've never bought Applecare either. The Macbook had 3 years applecare when I bought it used for $500 bucks.

Insurance is like insurance. You may need it, you may not. Applecare is great because they'll replace a lot of shit that most places will give you shit for. That's the thing about Apple. Customer service is actually good. I would say as good as Ranes. I've seen them replace iPhones, iPads, laptops... or fix them for free .... when they didn't even need to.

Remember, no matter if it's a PC or a Mac, it might break or have issues. But, I think it would be safe to say that Macs experience less issues OVERALL than PC's... because there are way too many component, driver variations. nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:25 PM - 23 February, 2012
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This is what I've experienced just by watching close friends who own PC's.

Oh, I gotta tweak this.

Oh, I gotta remove viruses.

Oh, I gotta reinstall everything.


I don't get it. I installed Windows on my HP, installed Serato, DIDN'T HAVE TO TWEAK ANYTHING, and am smart enough to have a working antivirus and have NEVER had a problem.

As a matter of fact, I (on my old laptop), have Wifi Enabled, can download music WHILE spinning on Serato, and lots of other stuff, and not one "Unexpected" blip...

I mean, I CAN FORCE IT to get overwhelmed, but I have lots of headroom, and no problems until this Thinkpad.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:27 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Now, I'm hearing about how great Apple care is, and that leads me to believe that when you get a MAC get the Applecare, because you're gonna need it.....


Negative. I've never bought Applecare either. The Macbook had 3 years applecare when I bought it used for $500 bucks.

Insurance is like insurance. You may need it, you may not. Applecare is great because they'll replace a lot of shit that most places will give you shit for. That's the thing about Apple. Customer service is actually good. I would say as good as Ranes. I've seen them replace iPhones, iPads, laptops... or fix them for free .... when they didn't even need to.

Remember, no matter if it's a PC or a Mac, it might break or have issues. But, I think it would be safe to say that Macs experience less issues OVERALL than PC's... because there are way too many component, driver variations. nm


I hear you, but at the same time, I'm hearing the BULK of posters say, "Get Applecare", but that may also be parallel to their level of expertise in opening up and trying to FIX a MAC, or not having the need to...
sixxx 6:27 PM - 23 February, 2012
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This is what I've experienced just by watching close friends who own PC's.

Oh, I gotta tweak this.

Oh, I gotta remove viruses.

Oh, I gotta reinstall everything.


I don't get it. I installed Windows on my HP, installed Serato, DIDN'T HAVE TO TWEAK ANYTHING, and am smart enough to have a working antivirus and have NEVER had a problem.

As a matter of fact, I (on my old laptop), have Wifi Enabled, can download music WHILE spinning on Serato, and lots of other stuff, and not one "Unexpected" blip...

I mean, I CAN FORCE IT to get overwhelmed, but I have lots of headroom, and no problems until this Thinkpad.


Did you install video? Nope. That's where most of the tweaks come from. Seriously, if you're not going to do video. Don't get a mac.
sixxx 6:28 PM - 23 February, 2012
"and am smart enough to have a working antivirus and have NEVER had a problem."

Come on man, even you should know that antivirues are only good FOR EXISTING KNOWN VIRUSES...

The reality is that there are a TON OF VIRUSES for PC's vs those for Macs. That alone should be a reason to change. Kinda like a guy who drives a Honda and is always wondering if his vehicle will get broken into or stolen.

nm
sixxx 6:35 PM - 23 February, 2012
Here's a real life example. And, again, I'm saying DON'T GET A MAC unless you plan on spinning video.

My buddy who spun at the same spot as I did for 5 years bought one of those build your own monster laptops. That thing was a beast, 3 hard drives, 2 video cards, top of the line shit when he bought it. I remember him maxing out EVERYTHING.

I had my trust Macbook. All stock. He had issues with video, I didn't. He was always tweaking shit, installing drivers, etc. to make his video work. I didn't.

Here's the kicker. His laptop cost him (at the time) like over 2 grand (cause he wanted the best). I paid $500 for my macbook with 3 years applecare cause some dumbass college student got it as a gift and wanted to get rid of it quickly to buy an macbook pro. That macbook at the time cost like $1100 or so.

Anyway, the point is....

a) You gotta always look for deals. Just cause it's a Mac, it doesn't mean it's going to cost you a ton of money. Hell my MBP is a quad core that is REFURBISHED; knocking about $500 off a brand new one.

b) With video, (VSL and ME), you're better off with a Mac. Well, the whole Mix Emergency or ME, may not apply anymore. We will see.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:35 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Did you install video? Nope. That's where most of the tweaks come from. Seriously, if you're not going to do video. Don't get a mac.


No, I don't ever anticipate doing video...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:38 PM - 23 February, 2012
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"and am smart enough to have a working antivirus and have NEVER had a problem."

Come on man, even you should know that antivirues are only good FOR EXISTING KNOWN VIRUSES...

The reality is that there are a TON OF VIRUSES for PC's vs those for Macs. That alone should be a reason to change. Kinda like a guy who drives a Honda and is always wondering if his vehicle will get broken into or stolen.

nm


You can't be serious. There are LOTS of PC/Laptop heads here who will agree with me, that all you have to do is use COMMON SENSE when it comes to emails and such, and your chances of getting infected, (and not having your Antivirus pick it up), are damn near non existant.

The people who I see who CONSTANTLY get infected are those who love opening up emails from ANY OLD BODY, and clicking on that "File" or "Link".

99% of viruses are introduced into the computer by the End User themselves.
FunkyRob 6:39 PM - 23 February, 2012
Buy a used macbook pro that a couple years old and there won't be that $1,500 difference.
Voltmod 6:40 PM - 23 February, 2012
Why are people even talking about viruses in this thread??!! I'll say it again, if you're not a complete dumbass, virus is not a problem on windows 7. Why do I say this? Because if you're not a dumbass, you'll have a separate partition running just serato with no wireless/internet connection.

Johnny, it seems you are tech savvy and you say you work with all windows in your studio and that's what you produce in. And you don't know the mac OS that well... Don't fucking switch then, there's no reason. You'll just be paying more for aesthetics and an OS that is not proven to be better than windows and one you're unfamiliar with.

The only pros for mac over windows laptop for DJing is
Aesthetics
Trackpad (not even used if you have a midi controller, so almost irrelevant)
POSSIBLY better stability, though not proven. As mentioned before, if you know anything, you'll know how to make a laptop stable/optimized for DJing.

You say you want speed, i think it's a given to get windows 7. Much better handling of memory and everything. You can spend the extra cash on getting an SSD and a blazing processor/ram combination.

I don't think you'll be nearly persuaded enough as you are seeing that there aren't many legimatie arguments to buy a mac over PC other than people saying "it's just better" or "it just works". Well that's ignorant as fuck, and sadly that's how most apple users are.
sixxx 6:40 PM - 23 February, 2012
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"and am smart enough to have a working antivirus and have NEVER had a problem."

Come on man, even you should know that antivirues are only good FOR EXISTING KNOWN VIRUSES...

The reality is that there are a TON OF VIRUSES for PC's vs those for Macs. That alone should be a reason to change. Kinda like a guy who drives a Honda and is always wondering if his vehicle will get broken into or stolen.

nm


You can't be serious. There are LOTS of PC/Laptop heads here who will agree with me, that all you have to do is use COMMON SENSE when it comes to emails and such, and your chances of getting infected, (and not having your Antivirus pick it up), are damn near non existant.

The people who I see who CONSTANTLY get infected are those who love opening up emails from ANY OLD BODY, and clicking on that "File" or "Link".

99% of viruses are introduced into the computer by the End User themselves.


That is true... and I could open the same file or link with a mac and not get a virus. Get what I'm saying? :)

nm
sixxx 6:41 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Did you install video? Nope. That's where most of the tweaks come from. Seriously, if you're not going to do video. Don't get a mac.


No, I don't ever anticipate doing video...


and there is your answer. Don't get a mac.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:43 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Here's a real life example. And, again, I'm saying DON'T GET A MAC unless you plan on spinning video.

My buddy who spun at the same spot as I did for 5 years bought one of those build your own monster laptops. That thing was a beast, 3 hard drives, 2 video cards, top of the line shit when he bought it. I remember him maxing out EVERYTHING.

I had my trust Macbook. All stock. He had issues with video, I didn't. He was always tweaking shit, installing drivers, etc. to make his video work. I didn't.

Here's the kicker. His laptop cost him (at the time) like over 2 grand (cause he wanted the best). I paid $500 for my macbook with 3 years applecare cause some dumbass college student got it as a gift and wanted to get rid of it quickly to buy an macbook pro. That macbook at the time cost like $1100 or so.

Anyway, the point is....

a) You gotta always look for deals. Just cause it's a Mac, it doesn't mean it's going to cost you a ton of money. Hell my MBP is a quad core that is REFURBISHED; knocking about $500 off a brand new one.

b) With video, (VSL and ME), you're better off with a Mac. Well, the whole Mix Emergency or ME, may not apply anymore. We will see.


I see you on that, but that dude, even though he bought the top of the line stuff..

Apparently didn't know how to get it to work together seemlessly vs. buying a prebuilt machine.

I already know that software designed for a MAC will just integrate BETTER with a MAC because of the nature of the machine....

But again, there's the whole " Why doesn't Rane/Serato just give it the signoff that a MAC is BETTER?

Unless they know that BOTH platforms are basically equal IF CONFIGURED correctly.

That's all I'm sayin...
DJ Dynamight 6:43 PM - 23 February, 2012
I had a 1st gen Black Macbook in 2006...it worked ok, but did get pretty hot and I did get a few dropouts at gigs. 2 of the keys on the keyboard kept popping off, and since it was a new model, the Apple store didn't have any spares. Before the 1 year apple care expired I was able to get new keys via Applecare.

I got a 2nd gen Black Macbook in 2007 and sold the 1st one. It worked ok, but the battery stopped charging, and I was able to get it replaced within the 1 year warranty via Applecare.

I got a 1st gen Aluminum unibody Macbook in 2008, and around the 11th month of the 1-year warranty there were some bad pixels in the corner of the screen. I got a new screen installed and decided to purchase Applecare just in case (you can buy it anytime within the 1-year warranty). I'm still using the 2008 Macbook with no problems.

I also have a Mac mini that hardly gets used that had bad memory, and I had to take it to Applecare to get replaced (within the 1-year warranty).

I'm not saying Macs are invincible...obviously I've had some sort of issue with each one so far. Thankfully the problems have been fixed easily. The hardest thing was scheduling an appointment at the Genius Bar which I had to do a few days in advance here in NYC. And then waiting to be seen when I got there on time for the appointment...

My Macbook is used exclusively for DJing...the only time I ever go on the web is to run system updates, download new versions of SSL/Itch, and new versions of Firefox.

Stick to what you know & save your money. Don't worry, be happy.

I got a Mac just because I wanted something new to learn. The 2-finger scroll is the best thing since sliced bread. (at least you have the scroll button on the Lenovo T410 so that's a your alternative)
DJ Dynamight 6:44 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Cool. I also have a T410 with Win 7 as my backup laptop. Serato works fine on it...


HA! I knew if I kept digging someone would pop up with a similar configuration.

A Thinkpad 410 right?

Just to confirm, what video card do you have?


I'll double check when I get home and get back to you.
Voltmod 6:44 PM - 23 February, 2012
If viruses are the #1 reason people are telling you to get a mac, get a fucking PC. That's the most retarded shit ever. UAC (User account control) in windows makes it basically idiot proof to get a virus. It has to get confirmation on everything that needs administrative priveleges to isntall a virus, and if you're not a dumbass, you won't click "yes install" to something you don't know what it is.
DJ Dynamight 6:45 PM - 23 February, 2012
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If viruses are the #1 reason people are telling you to get a mac, get a fucking PC. That's the most retarded shit ever. UAC (User account control) in windows makes it basically idiot proof to get a virus. It has to get confirmation on everything that needs administrative priveleges to isntall a virus, and if you're not a dumbass, you won't click "yes install" to something you don't know what it is.


Word!!
sixxx 6:45 PM - 23 February, 2012
"Apparently didn't know how to get it to work together seemlessly vs. buying a prebuilt machine."

Nope. Actually, the problem was not doing the research. See, VSL always worked better with Macs because it was easier for them to configure their program to work with macs. Less shit they had to deal with like different video cards, drivers and what not.

You have to think from a programmers point of view. This is why Mix Emergency (for video) was created ONLY for the Mac. Easier to make it work without having to deal with a ton of configurations on a PC.
sixxx 6:46 PM - 23 February, 2012
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If viruses are the #1 reason people are telling you to get a mac, get a fucking PC. That's the most retarded shit ever. UAC (User account control) in windows makes it basically idiot proof to get a virus. It has to get confirmation on everything that needs administrative priveleges to isntall a virus, and if you're not a dumbass, you won't click "yes install" to something you don't know what it is.


See, that's the thing. I could click on that same thing you're talking about with a mac and still have no effect on it. hahahaha

The reality is that most viruses are DESIGNED to work with a PC. That's a fact.
Voltmod 6:48 PM - 23 February, 2012
I would also highly recommend not getting a mac and spending extra on a large SSD for your music and OS installation... There are no moving parts basically, so no shock or bumping from loud club environment, and if you DID happen to need to restart your machine for any reason, your OS will be installed on it and reboot blazing fast.

But alright mac users, what else ya got? Viruses, "its just better". WHAT YOU GOT?!
sixxx 6:50 PM - 23 February, 2012
"But alright mac users, what else ya got? Viruses, "its just better". WHAT YOU GOT?! "

Apparently, you can't read. Anyway....


Yes, get an SSD regardless if it's a mac or PC.

nm
Voltmod 6:50 PM - 23 February, 2012
Or you could click on that same thing with a mac and THINK nothing happened when in reality, a keylogger is on your machine chilling in the back writing down all the passwords you type in any website... it's not impossible to get a virus on a mac people, research shows this. That's probably one of the most common misconceptions. But if you want to pay hundreds extra just so you can click on something that you think is a virus and be proud that nothing happens, then be my guest
sixxx 6:51 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Or you could click on that same thing with a mac and THINK nothing happened when in reality, a keylogger is on your machine chilling in the back writing down all the passwords you type in any website... it's not impossible to get a virus on a mac people, research shows this. That's probably one of the most common misconceptions. But if you want to pay hundreds extra just so you can click on something that you think is a virus and be proud that nothing happens, then be my guest


lmao.. that just shows me how LITTLE you know about macs.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:52 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Why are people even talking about viruses in this thread??!! I'll say it again, if you're not a complete dumbass, virus is not a problem on windows 7. Why do I say this? Because if you're not a dumbass, you'll have a separate partition running just serato with no wireless/internet connection.

Johnny, it seems you are tech savvy and you say you work with all windows in your studio and that's what you produce in. And you don't know the mac OS that well... Don't fucking switch then, there's no reason. You'll just be paying more for aesthetics and an OS that is not proven to be better than windows and one you're unfamiliar with.

The only pros for mac over windows laptop for DJing is
Aesthetics
Trackpad (not even used if you have a midi controller, so almost irrelevant)
POSSIBLY better stability, though not proven. As mentioned before, if you know anything, you'll know how to make a laptop stable/optimized for DJing.

You say you want speed, i think it's a given to get windows 7. Much better handling of memory and everything. You can spend the extra cash on getting an SSD and a blazing processor/ram combination.

I don't think you'll be nearly persuaded enough as you are seeing that there aren't many legimatie arguments to buy a mac over PC other than people saying "it's just better" or "it just works". Well that's ignorant as fuck, and sadly that's how most apple users are.


LOL! Talk about reading between the lines...

Let me be clear - I don't work in a Studio or Produce, I just DJ.

I don't divide partitions because I know how to handle data, viruses, and anything PC/Laptop related. Those are crutches for people who want to be EXTRA careful...but the truth is that a NASTY virus will disable your harddisk altogether, and no partition divisions in the world will save you, unless it's a totally separate drive....

But I'm WITH you on the whole thing of Windows 7 having better memory handling...

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I don't think you'll be nearly persuaded enough as you are seeing that there aren't many legimatie arguments to buy a mac over PC other than people saying "it's just better" or "it just works".


SOME people have said it's a little more stable and smooth, and I won't refute that, but chalk that up to MAC and the OS working in sync as designed.
sixxx 6:52 PM - 23 February, 2012
"it's not impossible to get a virus on a mac people, research shows this. "

Again, you can't read.

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:53 PM - 23 February, 2012
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"and am smart enough to have a working antivirus and have NEVER had a problem."

Come on man, even you should know that antivirues are only good FOR EXISTING KNOWN VIRUSES...

The reality is that there are a TON OF VIRUSES for PC's vs those for Macs. That alone should be a reason to change. Kinda like a guy who drives a Honda and is always wondering if his vehicle will get broken into or stolen.

nm


You can't be serious. There are LOTS of PC/Laptop heads here who will agree with me, that all you have to do is use COMMON SENSE when it comes to emails and such, and your chances of getting infected, (and not having your Antivirus pick it up), are damn near non existant.

The people who I see who CONSTANTLY get infected are those who love opening up emails from ANY OLD BODY, and clicking on that "File" or "Link".

99% of viruses are introduced into the computer by the End User themselves.


That is true... and I could open the same file or link with a mac and not get a virus. Get what I'm saying? :)

nm


Yep, in other words, Dummy Proof...

But why be a Dummy in the 1st place?

People need to learn how to safeguard themselves against dumb stuff like that...
sixxx 6:53 PM - 23 February, 2012
"SOME people have said it's a little more stable and smooth, and I won't refute that, but chalk that up to MAC and the OS working in sync as designed. "

Exactly...
sixxx 6:54 PM - 23 February, 2012
"Yep, in other words, Dummy Proof...

But why be a Dummy in the 1st place?

People need to learn how to safeguard themselves against dumb stuff like that... "

Exactly. This is why I'm saying.... if you're not going to do video.

DON'T GET A MAC!

:)

Save your money. You know what you're doing with PC's and you have common sense. That alone is a reason not to switch.
Voltmod 6:54 PM - 23 February, 2012
so you're saying it's impossible to get a virus on a mac? I might have misread/not read something you said earlier, i'm not starting a war, i just think it's naive to think mac can't have any virus.

Yes a nasty virus will completely fuck a drive, but you would know about this long before a gig, not to mention you'd be doing full drive backups regardless of PC or MAC.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:55 PM - 23 February, 2012
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I had a 1st gen Black Macbook in 2006...it worked ok, but did get pretty hot and I did get a few dropouts at gigs. 2 of the keys on the keyboard kept popping off, and since it was a new model, the Apple store didn't have any spares. Before the 1 year apple care expired I was able to get new keys via Applecare.

I got a 2nd gen Black Macbook in 2007 and sold the 1st one. It worked ok, but the battery stopped charging, and I was able to get it replaced within the 1 year warranty via Applecare.

I got a 1st gen Aluminum unibody Macbook in 2008, and around the 11th month of the 1-year warranty there were some bad pixels in the corner of the screen. I got a new screen installed and decided to purchase Applecare just in case (you can buy it anytime within the 1-year warranty). I'm still using the 2008 Macbook with no problems.

I also have a Mac mini that hardly gets used that had bad memory, and I had to take it to Applecare to get replaced (within the 1-year warranty).

I'm not saying Macs are invincible...obviously I've had some sort of issue with each one so far. Thankfully the problems have been fixed easily. The hardest thing was scheduling an appointment at the Genius Bar which I had to do a few days in advance here in NYC. And then waiting to be seen when I got there on time for the appointment...

My Macbook is used exclusively for DJing...the only time I ever go on the web is to run system updates, download new versions of SSL/Itch, and new versions of Firefox.

Stick to what you know & save your money. Don't worry, be happy.

I got a Mac just because I wanted something new to learn. The 2-finger scroll is the best thing since sliced bread. (at least you have the scroll button on the Lenovo T410 so that's a your alternative)


Now ^^THIS^^ is what I'm used to hearing on here...about how MAC's have issues, but Applecare saves the day...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:56 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Cool. I also have a T410 with Win 7 as my backup laptop. Serato works fine on it...


HA! I knew if I kept digging someone would pop up with a similar configuration.

A Thinkpad 410 right?

Just to confirm, what video card do you have?


I'll double check when I get home and get back to you.


Thank you sir.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:59 PM - 23 February, 2012
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"Apparently didn't know how to get it to work together seemlessly vs. buying a prebuilt machine."

Nope. Actually, the problem was not doing the research. See, VSL always worked better with Macs because it was easier for them to configure their program to work with macs. Less shit they had to deal with like different video cards, drivers and what not.

You have to think from a programmers point of view. This is why Mix Emergency (for video) was created ONLY for the Mac. Easier to make it work without having to deal with a ton of configurations on a PC.


Ok, but you're going on a VIDEO tangent, we already know I'm not looking to do video...

The question of IS DOING VIDEO IN SERATO better on a MAC or a PC a better topic for what you're outlining.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:01 PM - 23 February, 2012
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If viruses are the #1 reason people are telling you to get a mac, get a fucking PC. That's the most retarded shit ever. UAC (User account control) in windows makes it basically idiot proof to get a virus. It has to get confirmation on everything that needs administrative priveleges to isntall a virus, and if you're not a dumbass, you won't click "yes install" to something you don't know what it is.


See, that's the thing. I could click on that same thing you're talking about with a mac and still have no effect on it. hahahaha

The reality is that most viruses are DESIGNED to work with a PC. That's a fact.


But dude, you're talking about VIRUSES...

People that KNOW HOW TO WORK PC's and practice "Safe Surfing", aren't going to get infected...

The Virus selling point for MAC is ok for a n00b, but that won't fly over here..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:06 PM - 23 February, 2012
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"Yep, in other words, Dummy Proof...

But why be a Dummy in the 1st place?

People need to learn how to safeguard themselves against dumb stuff like that... "

Exactly. This is why I'm saying.... if you're not going to do video.

DON'T GET A MAC!

:)

Save your money. You know what you're doing with PC's and you have common sense. That alone is a reason not to switch.


But AGAIN, I wanted to know if there was something so GROUNDBREAKING about a MAC as far as DJ'ing (non-video) and Serato is concerned that I just didn't get...

So I asked the question....and aside from some "Slight Improvement" and "Configuration Ease", I'm not hearing cats saying, "Naw man, I can put the buffer on the ABSOLUTE LOWEST SETTING, I have Zero latency, NO Dropouts, everything is SOO MUCH better than a MAC...blahh...blah...blah..."

But I'm not hearing that definitive argument....so it's really coming down to how well an individual knows how to configure a PC/Laptop, or desire to NOT have to do it which leads to the purchase of a MAC, aside from Video of course...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 23 February, 2012
***everything is SOO MUCH better than a PC...blahh...blah...blah..."
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:10 PM - 23 February, 2012
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so you're saying it's impossible to get a virus on a mac? I might have misread/not read something you said earlier, i'm not starting a war, i just think it's naive to think mac can't have any virus.

Yes a nasty virus will completely fuck a drive, but you would know about this long before a gig, not to mention you'd be doing full drive backups regardless of PC or MAC.


Right, but that whole "Put Serato on a Different Partition" is BS (IMO), as it is moreso a better way for you to manage data.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:11 PM - 23 February, 2012
BTW, I'm not shootin' down my MAC Peeps and saying you're incompetent to configure a PC, but am just trying to get a REAL PICTURE of what's good...
sixxx 7:12 PM - 23 February, 2012
"so you're saying it's impossible to get a virus on a mac? "

Again, learn to read. TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE I SAID THAT.

Read my posts..... don't draw your own conclusions.
Voltmod 7:16 PM - 23 February, 2012
^ i agree, no hate from me here.

You think Serato on a different partition is BS? How so? It's typically recommended to run DJ on a separate partition due to driver conflicts and unnecessary processes/memory usage.

Sixxx, sorry man. You just kept saying how you click on things that are known viruses without having to worry, i suppose i did draw my own conclusion but you sure paved the path to it... haha.
sixxx 7:19 PM - 23 February, 2012
"But AGAIN, I wanted to know if there was something so GROUNDBREAKING about a MAC as far as DJ'ing (non-video) and Serato is concerned that I just didn't get..."

There is no such thing. Basically, a Mac is easy to use, very easy to configure. You're past that point. You're better off with a PC.

I personally can work on either a Mac or PC, but I choose to not waste my time having to figure out what works and doesn't with whatever particular brand of PC I have. With a mac, I just run a simple update and I'm ready to go.

Case in point. I purchase a mac, install SSL and video, and I'm ready to roll without much hassle. Can this be done on a PC? Sure. Will you run into issues? You may, you may not. It really depends on the user.

As a PC user, you know what PC's to avoid right? As a Mac user, you don't because they're all basically the same. So, if anything, the groundbreaking thing is that you don't have to worry about much. lol

nm
sixxx 7:20 PM - 23 February, 2012
I forget who it was but I think it was Deez who bought a Mac when he went to the Namm, installed SSL and was ready to go and he had never owned a mac before. Someone who has never ran a PC and doesn't know much about it will run into problems faster than someone who has never worked on a Mac.

It was just designed that way. nm
sixxx 7:21 PM - 23 February, 2012
I'm going to give you another example without going too far off topic. A lot of people prefer iPhones because they integrate well with iPads, their Macs, etc. EVEN THOUGH THEY LIMIT THE HELL OUT OF YOU and you get MORE with an android.

Again, the ease of use. And this is why Apple limits the user... because we all know problems usually start at the user level.

nm
sixxx 7:22 PM - 23 February, 2012
Btw, I prefer Android better because I don't have to jailbreak an iPhone to get it to do what I need it to do.

nm
DJ TAKES NO REQUESTS 7:25 PM - 23 February, 2012
only reason you should know of;

I've owned my Mac purchased in June 2011 and it's NEVER crashed on me. I dj 3x/week and strictly use my mac for deejaying purposes. No browsing, no downloading, no app store, no nada. Just Serato. Works flawlessly. I've used an HP i7 core and a Dell i5 core and they always froze or f'd up my serato crates for some reason. MAC as much as I thought I'd never purchase one, has made me a believer. Iphone and Ipad ready too . Hope this helped.
Voltmod 7:25 PM - 23 February, 2012
they do limit you... it is one of my largest gripes that macbooks can't just use a universal VGA or DVI connection and make you pay $30 for an adapter. Might be due to the size but for real? Include that shit with my laptop at least.
sixxx 7:27 PM - 23 February, 2012
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they do limit you... it is one of my largest gripes that macbooks can't just use a universal VGA or DVI connection and make you pay $30 for an adapter. Might be due to the size but for real? Include that shit with my laptop at least.


They used to include adapters.... I remember my iBook came with video adapters. Then, my Macbook years later only came with one and now my newest one had ZERO adapters. I'm like wtf? You fuckers! lol

nm
d:raf 7:38 PM - 23 February, 2012
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So you don't think 1500 bucks is a big deal?


Ferengi rule of acquisition #141: "Only fools pay retail" </trekkie>

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it is one of my largest gripes that macbooks can't just use a universal VGA or DVI connection and make you pay $30 for an adapter.


www.amazon.com
sixxx 8:13 PM - 23 February, 2012
I wouldn't buy just any adapter for a mac. Trust me. Not all of them work as they should. It's unfortunate but true. nm
DJ Tecniq 8:16 PM - 23 February, 2012
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If viruses are the #1 reason people are telling you to get a mac, get a fucking PC. That's the most retarded shit ever. UAC (User account control) in windows makes it basically idiot proof to get a virus. It has to get confirmation on everything that needs administrative priveleges to isntall a virus, and if you're not a dumbass, you won't click "yes install" to something you don't know what it is.
Wrong...spyware can infect your computer w/o you even knowing it..or windows. To find out if your pc has spyware/malware use a free program called malwarebytes it is the best program i've seen for pc's it fully detects the spyware and allows you to flush it completely from your hard drive..You'd be very suprised at what you'll find. Spyware is not like a virus. It can hid itself in windows processes, folders, files, windows directories.
DJ Tecniq 8:20 PM - 23 February, 2012
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"But AGAIN, I wanted to know if there was something so GROUNDBREAKING about a MAC as far as DJ'ing (non-video) and Serato is concerned that I just didn't get..."

There is no such thing. Basically, a Mac is easy to use, very easy to configure. You're past that point. You're better off with a PC.

I personally can work on either a Mac or PC, but I choose to not waste my time having to figure out what works and doesn't with whatever particular brand of PC I have. With a mac, I just run a simple update and I'm ready to go.

Case in point. I purchase a mac, install SSL and video, and I'm ready to roll without much hassle. Can this be done on a PC? Sure. Will you run into issues? You may, you may not. It really depends on the user.

As a PC user, you know what PC's to avoid right? As a Mac user, you don't because they're all basically the same. So, if anything, the groundbreaking thing is that you don't have to worry about much. lol

nm
I have learned that the biggest difference between Pc & Mac...is the buffer. Alot of pc's cannot handle serato's buffer at the lowest. And from what I've learned and experienced the buffer on the lowest setting will give you tighter control with the crossfader and scratching..Most Pc's cannot even handle the lowest setting due to dropouts..Mac can handle the lowest setting with "no dropouts" Booomm!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:38 PM - 23 February, 2012
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^ i agree, no hate from me here.

You think Serato on a different partition is BS? How so? It's typically recommended to run DJ on a separate partition due to driver conflicts and unnecessary processes/memory usage.


Who recommends or recommended that?

What does having Serato on a separate partition have to do with driver conflicts? lol.

From a technological perspective, that is total BS. as the drivers would effect the ENTIRE harddrive, not just separate partitions....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:41 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quoteI personally can work on either a Mac or PC, but I choose to not waste my time having to figure out what works and doesn't with whatever particular brand of PC I have. With a mac, I just run a simple update and I'm ready to go.


^^^^THIS is what I think the main reason is for cats who go to MAC, not a defined performance increase^^^^
DJ'Que 8:42 PM - 23 February, 2012
Go buy a mac and use it for a week. if you don't like it return it. I'm sure most are past that mac fanboi crap.

us with mac's are not trying to figure what's the magic key for it to work. its plug and play.

pc its not. its install this install that. dam that didn't work right

maybe this will nope etc

shit let me call this maker then they say call this to only get put on hold.

if your pc registry gets infected your a goner. game over start all over again.

the most solid reason or comparison i could give is this.

Mac is Serato when you could install a beta and gig with it that same night.

PC is VDJ It will work but for how long. that thought is always in your mind of is it go crash.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:44 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quote[I have learned that the biggest difference between Pc & Mac...is the buffer. Alot of pc's cannot handle serato's buffer at the lowest. And from what I've learned and experienced the buffer on the lowest setting will give you tighter control with the crossfader and scratching..Most Pc's cannot even handle the lowest setting due to dropouts..Mac can handle the lowest setting with "no dropouts" Booomm!


Now if ANYBODY ELSE on the forum would have said that, I'd be willing to listen...
DJ'Que 8:47 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quoteI personally can work on either a Mac or PC, but I choose to not waste my time having to figure out what works and doesn't with whatever particular brand of PC I have. With a mac, I just run a simple update and I'm ready to go.


^^^^THIS is what I think the main reason is for cats who go to MAC, not a defined performance increase^^^^
But that right there can make you late for a gig or even loose a gig. got 2 gigs recently from that. reason alone.
Voltmod 8:49 PM - 23 February, 2012
I don't think I clarified myself properly. By dual partition, I mean daul boot setup. So when you turn on your machine, you choose which operating system install to load.

If you have drivers installed for all sorts of peripherals and have reinstalled audio, video card drivers all the time on your main boot partition, i'm saying a separate boot partition designated for just serato is smart with only crucial drivers and no other software.

But regardless, it's about budget. If you have the ridiculous money for a really fast mac (cause you said you wanted speed), then I'd get a mac.
DJ'Que 8:50 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quote[I have learned that the biggest difference between Pc & Mac...is the buffer. Alot of pc's cannot handle serato's buffer at the lowest. And from what I've learned and experienced the buffer on the lowest setting will give you tighter control with the crossfader and scratching..Most Pc's cannot even handle the lowest setting due to dropouts..Mac can handle the lowest setting with "no dropouts" Booomm!


Now if ANYBODY ELSE on the forum would have said that, I'd be willing to listen...
It's true. I was on my PC b4 mac and my buffer was at 10+ up to 15 at time and still got dropouts.

on my mac its at -1 no dropouts.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:09 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quoteI personally can work on either a Mac or PC, but I choose to not waste my time having to figure out what works and doesn't with whatever particular brand of PC I have. With a mac, I just run a simple update and I'm ready to go.


^^^^THIS is what I think the main reason is for cats who go to MAC, not a defined performance increase^^^^
But that right there can make you late for a gig or even loose a gig. got 2 gigs recently from that. reason alone.


Why is someone deciding to "TWEAK" their LAPTOP/MAC right before a gig?

Stop playin...
sixxx 9:09 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quote[I have learned that the biggest difference between Pc & Mac...is the buffer. Alot of pc's cannot handle serato's buffer at the lowest. And from what I've learned and experienced the buffer on the lowest setting will give you tighter control with the crossfader and scratching..Most Pc's cannot even handle the lowest setting due to dropouts..Mac can handle the lowest setting with "no dropouts" Booomm!


Now if ANYBODY ELSE on the forum would have said that, I'd be willing to listen...



Don't buy into this!!!


I did not even mention it because there are other factors that can prevent you from having the lowest buffer.


In my iBook I had it set to lowest setting. Then, SSL added extra shit and slowly bit surely I had to move it to a higher buffer.

I bought my macbook and boom, again lower settings.
Then as SSL again became more full of crazy features and video
slowly but surely my buffer went up all the way to fucken 15!!!

Now, MBP quad core, again lowest setting.

See my point? nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:10 PM - 23 February, 2012
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I don't think I clarified myself properly. By dual partition, I mean daul boot setup. So when you turn on your machine, you choose which operating system install to load.

If you have drivers installed for all sorts of peripherals and have reinstalled audio, video card drivers all the time on your main boot partition, i'm saying a separate boot partition designated for just serato is smart with only crucial drivers and no other software.

But regardless, it's about budget. If you have the ridiculous money for a really fast mac (cause you said you wanted speed), then I'd get a mac.


Ok, then I retract my last statement...

Thanks for clarifying...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:11 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quote[I have learned that the biggest difference between Pc & Mac...is the buffer. Alot of pc's cannot handle serato's buffer at the lowest. And from what I've learned and experienced the buffer on the lowest setting will give you tighter control with the crossfader and scratching..Most Pc's cannot even handle the lowest setting due to dropouts..Mac can handle the lowest setting with "no dropouts" Booomm!


Now if ANYBODY ELSE on the forum would have said that, I'd be willing to listen...



Don't buy into this!!!


I did not even mention it because there are other factors that can prevent you from having the lowest buffer.


In my iBook I had it set to lowest setting. Then, SSL added extra shit and slowly bit surely I had to move it to a higher buffer.

I bought my macbook and boom, again lower settings.
Then as SSL again became more full of crazy features and video
slowly but surely my buffer went up all the way to fucken 15!!!

Now, MBP quad core, again lowest setting.

See my point? nm


Gotchu.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:13 PM - 23 February, 2012
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[quote[I have learned that the biggest difference between Pc & Mac...is the buffer. Alot of pc's cannot handle serato's buffer at the lowest. And from what I've learned and experienced the buffer on the lowest setting will give you tighter control with the crossfader and scratching..Most Pc's cannot even handle the lowest setting due to dropouts..Mac can handle the lowest setting with "no dropouts" Booomm!


Now if ANYBODY ELSE on the forum would have said that, I'd be willing to listen...
It's true. I was on my PC b4 mac and my buffer was at 10+ up to 15 at time and still got dropouts.

on my mac its at -1 no dropouts.


Ok, would you say you know your way around a PC to the level of device driver versions and whatnot?

Background tasks?

Necessary and unnecessary apps and startup programs?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:17 PM - 23 February, 2012
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if your pc registry gets infected your a goner. game over start all over again..


See this is ANOTHER MYTH...but by the same token, WHY do I hear stories of if there's something wrong with a MAC, you have to reinstall THE WHOLE OS?

I'm not seeing a clear winner here....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:20 PM - 23 February, 2012
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I forget who it was but I think it was Deez who bought a Mac when he went to the Namm, installed SSL and was ready to go and he had never owned a mac before.


You know what? He'd be probably one of the ones who could give good insight on this...

Particularly, WHY he bought a MAC?

Was it STRICTLY for DJ'ing? or did he need/want it for something else, and it just so happened to be his Laptop of choice...

Also, to take into account the "Ease" of setup on the fly, and if that's truly the case, and if he could have achieved the SAME THING if he would have brought his Windows Laptop...
sixxx 9:22 PM - 23 February, 2012
Fyi, there is no -1 buffer. The lowest is 2.
sixxx 9:22 PM - 23 February, 2012
On a mac. Nm
Mr. Goodkat 9:23 PM - 23 February, 2012
mines buffers on .0001, its on serato special edition 2.333333
DJ Tecniq 9:27 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Fyi, there is no -1 buffer. The lowest is 2.
I just moved mine to 1 with the offline player. Does it stay at 2 when serato's connected? I'll have to confirm this but it's at 1 right now w/ serato d/c
DJ Remy USA 9:34 PM - 23 February, 2012
wow 103 new post and Ive only been gone 2 hours
Dj Bacik 9:39 PM - 23 February, 2012
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if your pc registry gets infected your a goner. game over start all over again..


See this is ANOTHER MYTH...but by the same token, WHY do I hear stories of if there's something wrong with a MAC, you have to reinstall THE WHOLE OS?

I'm not seeing a clear winner here....


Its the same with windows. I hate the famous "Windows cannot start because file XXXXXXX.DLL is missing or corrupt." Rather than spend the next 3 hours expanding and copying over files from the install cd I would just collect the data and reinstall the OS. I am an I.T. Manager who maintains a split system with Macs and Windows. And the Macs are easier to maintain by far. Lately there was an update to windows that broke the Environment Variable for %windir%. This caused a lot of machines to have bad icons and shortcuts. They couldn't open any system properties and the machines were rendered useless. That was a fun day at work.

Basically with a Mac your paying for convenience. You pay a premium to not have to drill down into the registry and drivers. To not have to constantly update anti virus. To not have to be weary of links in emails or on websites. To not have to canabalize it to get a low buffer setting. To be able to buy a 3 year warranty to fix most anything (I say most because you can't fix stupidity when you treat it like crap). To be able to add a second HDD in place of your cdrom.

I gladly pay a premium for this.
sixxx 9:40 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Fyi, there is no -1 buffer. The lowest is 2.
I just moved mine to 1 with the offline player. Does it stay at 2 when serato's connected? I'll have to confirm this but it's at 1 right now w/ serato d/c



It's a bug. nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:45 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Quote:
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if your pc registry gets infected your a goner. game over start all over again..


See this is ANOTHER MYTH...but by the same token, WHY do I hear stories of if there's something wrong with a MAC, you have to reinstall THE WHOLE OS?

I'm not seeing a clear winner here....


Its the same with windows. I hate the famous "Windows cannot start because file XXXXXXX.DLL is missing or corrupt." Rather than spend the next 3 hours expanding and copying over files from the install cd I would just collect the data and reinstall the OS. I am an I.T. Manager who maintains a split system with Macs and Windows. And the Macs are easier to maintain by far. Lately there was an update to windows that broke the Environment Variable for %windir%. This caused a lot of machines to have bad icons and shortcuts. They couldn't open any system properties and the machines were rendered useless. That was a fun day at work.

Basically with a Mac your paying for convenience. You pay a premium to not have to drill down into the registry and drivers. To not have to constantly update anti virus. To not have to be weary of links in emails or on websites. To not have to canabalize it to get a low buffer setting. To be able to buy a 3 year warranty to fix most anything (I say most because you can't fix stupidity when you treat it like crap). To be able to add a second HDD in place of your cdrom.

I gladly pay a premium for this.


Ok, now this is a GREAT PERSPECTIVE...however, you're talking about maintaining PC's & MACS in a general USER environment.

I'm not a "General User", by any means, and I know what I'm doing, so the comparison is like apples to oranges...

I don't think I cannibalize the PC to get good buffer settings, (I'm ONE CLICK from the lowest on my HP), so I think that's damn good, and I did no extra stuff to make it happen...

As a matter of fact, I'm probably doing more WRONG stuff on the HP (as far as Serato is concerned), than you can shake a stick at.

But I can appreciate the TRUTHFULNESS of you saying you'd rather PAY for the convenience, and that's cool.
DJ Tecniq 9:50 PM - 23 February, 2012
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Fyi, there is no -1 buffer. The lowest is 2.
I just moved mine to 1 with the offline player. Does it stay at 2 when serato's connected? I'll have to confirm this but it's at 1 right now w/ serato d/c



It's a bug. nm
really..i have to dj tonight so when I connect serato i'll find out. I'm using 2.2.0 btw.
Dj Bacik 9:50 PM - 23 February, 2012
I know your not a general user. But a lot of the people who will read this thread are. Just wanted to keep things in perspective for them.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:02 PM - 23 February, 2012
Quote:
I know your not a general user. But a lot of the people who will read this thread are. Just wanted to keep things in perspective for them.


Man, this is about ME right now....lol.
Mike_P 12:12 AM - 24 February, 2012
Why are you arguing with people you asked advice from? If you don't want a Mac, don't get a Mac. Seriously, no one cares.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:18 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Why are you arguing with people you asked advice from? If you don't want a Mac, don't get a Mac. Seriously, no one cares.


First off, I'm not arguing...

YOU'RE the one who came into MY thread sayin -
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gives a fuck what you do...but read what you wrote there. Then put two and two together. I hope, for your sake, that you can come up with four.


So if you don't care GTFOOH.
L2daGee 1:32 AM - 24 February, 2012
Mac = stability out the box

Windows = stability out the box*


*after changing a bunch of settings and countless amounts of tweaking to get it right
BattleFunk 1:44 AM - 24 February, 2012
Just stick with what you know Johnny - If shit goes down mid-gig, you want to be able to fix that shit yourself right there, not have to book in to a Genius bar at 1am.

A friend of mine was always having problems with his PC, and I couldn't work out why he was always having so much shit with his computer. It was like he had just really bad luck with it. I kinda put it down to him going on porn sites or whatever. Didnt see him for a while and next thing I know he's got an iMac. Looking good, I thought. He was gushing about all of this 'just works, never crashes, no viruses' malarky. Next thing I see, it crashes. The thing that pissed me off was, while he was rebooting and waiting for it to load back to desktop, he's still TELLING me they dont crash! WTF lol? I brushed it off anyway. But since then I've seen it crash (reboot) 4 times and I've watched it lock up due to the soundcard freezing for about 5 minutes. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I've now worked out my friend is just shit with computers. It's got nothing to do with what logo it has.
the_black_one 2:01 AM - 24 February, 2012
i been on SL since 2005. I have had 2 crashes. I have always used Mac to DJ. One time was out of no where and the other was wile i connected a thumb drive in to the computer. I later found out that thumb drive was shit.

Thats a great record if u ask me.
DJ Dynamight 3:01 AM - 24 February, 2012
Johnny, the video card is Nvidia NVS 3100M. Lenovo T410 Type 2516-CTO. It's been 2 years since I ordered it but I believe I opted for the discrete video card instead of the integrated one.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:39 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Johnny, the video card is Nvidia NVS 3100M. Lenovo T410 Type 2516-CTO. It's been 2 years since I ordered it but I believe I opted for the discrete video card instead of the integrated one.


BOOM! I've got the same one! nVicia 3100M. Lenovo T410 Type 2518-F5U.

Ok, but you've got Windows 7 (Professional) on it right?
DJ Dynamight 4:10 AM - 24 February, 2012
Yep, default OS that it came with. Nothing uninstalled.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:12 AM - 24 February, 2012
Werd, how much RAM?
Mike_P 4:19 AM - 24 February, 2012
Don't get a Mac [/thread]
CMOS 4:35 AM - 24 February, 2012
Jm this the driver you need?

support.lenovo.com

What problem you have with it now?
DJ Dynamight 5:11 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Werd, how much RAM?


2GB. (Win 7 32-bit)
MPC O.G. 6:43 AM - 24 February, 2012
About to get a Mac myself. The most important thing to ME about a Mac is I wont have to buy another one.anytime soon. Another thing is what ELSE do you want to do with it? Video, music production, animation? Apple's are meant for high end applications. Use them for their intended purpose. You can put 16 gigs of ram in the new macbook pro. Going to cop a 13 with a i7 and drop the 16g in it. Going to put Logic, Pro Tools, SSL, Traktor, Photoshop, and Final Cut Pro on it. I will pay the $1150 up front to make $$$ on the back end. And AGAIN I say to you ALL, you should have your business papers and be legit businessmen. Get a Mac, love it/hate it, then write it off on your taxes. Period. Next.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:09 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Don't get a Mac [/thread]


Yep, you care.

Cats always get their chests puffed out over the Internet.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:24 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Jm this the driver you need?

support.lenovo.com

What problem you have with it now?


C'mon CMOS...lol.

Of course I have that driver. I download ALL the drivers for XP before I do an XP installation, burn them to a directory structure on a CD/DVD, and copy them to the box after Windows initially gets installed.

Then I add SP3, and start off with the Intel Chipsets and go from there. There is a specific order in which to add drivers initially (Chipsets), so that the rest of the devices are discovered by Windows accordingly.

As a matter of fact, you have to install MS Netframework 3.5 sp2 before you install the video and audio drivers.

It's a 90 step process that I follow, but to answer your question, all I have to do is have the box ready with XP, start Scratchlive, ( don't even need the SL3 box connected), wait until my crates populate, then go to the right and just SCROLL the CRATES using the mouse or what have you, so the songs flash by kinda quick, and BOOM - USB DROPS - Red lights, the whole think stutters.

It's the screen / video driver as they pointed out in my Help thread as they said it's utilizing a lot of cycles or whatever, and said the XP driver is probably not written well, SINCE this Model laptop is SUPPOSED to natively run Windows 7, not really be downgraded to XP.

And all things point that way, since Microsoft, and hardware companies NOW give Windows 7 drivers first preference when writing drivers. Then Vista, then XP.

Hell, they're about to come out with Windows 8 in a min, so it make sense that they'd be lazy on the XP side.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:25 AM - 24 February, 2012
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Werd, how much RAM?


2GB. (Win 7 32-bit)


Ok, got 4, (even though Windows XP only recognizes 3...***sigh***).
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:27 AM - 24 February, 2012
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then go to the right and just SCROLL the CRATES


****Actually, that should say SCROLL THE SONGS within the CRATES****
and BOOM. Dropout...
deezlee 10:26 AM - 24 February, 2012
"Ok, Give Me Some SOLID Reasons of Why I Should Get A MAC"

"It's a 90 step process that I follow"

that's one!

p.s. use whatever you want, both are fine in 2012, but I'm glad I switched to mac so that I never have to do a 90 step install.
deezlee 10:31 AM - 24 February, 2012
actually, I don't know if both are fine, I haven't had a Windows PC in a while, I was just trying to be polite to PC users. :)
i do know that my black macbook works like new and it's old.
and i have no virus protection and surf the web and never had a problem.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:53 PM - 24 February, 2012
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"Ok, Give Me Some SOLID Reasons of Why I Should Get A MAC"

"It's a 90 step process that I follow"

that's one!

p.s. use whatever you want, both are fine in 2012, but I'm glad I switched to mac so that I never have to do a 90 step install.


I won't front, but that's a script I use to install Windows so I can do it in my sleep and make sure I don't miss anything. But you do have a point if to install an OS on a MAC is just stick in the disk and reboot.

Then login.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 12:54 PM - 24 February, 2012
I've been using a shitty Toshiba Satellite on Vista w/2 gig memory and 1.6 processor for years. All kinds of programs loaded on it it, wifi & anit virus running at the same time and never had a crash or glitch. Hard drive crashed on me...but that's another story. Ill get a new HD and keep using it. No Mac for me.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:02 PM - 24 February, 2012
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I've been using a shitty Toshiba Satellite on Vista w/2 gig memory and 1.6 processor for years. All kinds of programs loaded on it it, wifi & anit virus running at the same time and never had a crash or glitch.


This is what I'm TALKING about....

I'm like we can have what we consider "Low End" laptops, and Serato running FINE, but hear that we should "Get A MAC", so I'm wondering WHAT is sooo great about a MAC running Serato, that would cause mad people to be like "Get A MAC".

I just knew it had to perform at least twice as better as a similarly outfitted Windows Laptop, but that's not the case.

It's a SLIGHT improvement over a Windows Laptop (not 1500 bucks worth tho), but people want to PAY for the convenience of not having to deal with drivers, or "configuration issues" with Windows.

So basically for a TECH HEAD, there's no real incentive to go to a MAC (except for Video),
for anybody else that doesn't want (or have the knowhow to be bothered), a MAC is perfect for them.

I get it.
Rick Hodgkins 1:18 PM - 24 February, 2012
It comes down to working environment of each.
Mac isn't bothered by things that threaten PC on a near constant basis with the end result being a power robbing monkey on its back or a quarantined OEM Windows original operating system rather than the crap that is loaded by Dell Hp, Sony and the rest of them (all)

Now if you want to compare an OEM W7 OS to a Mac that would be a close one ending in personal comfort zone choice.
What Mac CAN do is allow either OS to operate through Bootcamp which I do all of the time to have my PC programs and stuff also. Kind of the best of both worlds and Mac lets me browse the net without worries.
Works for me
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:22 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:
It comes down to working environment of each.
Mac isn't bothered by things that threaten PC on a near constant basis with the end result being a power robbing monkey on its back or a quarantined OEM Windows original operating system rather than the crap that is loaded by Dell Hp, Sony and the rest of them (all)

Now if you want to compare an OEM W7 OS to a Mac that would be a close one ending in personal comfort zone choice.
What Mac CAN do is allow either OS to operate through Bootcamp which I do all of the time to have my PC programs and stuff also. Kind of the best of both worlds and Mac lets me browse the net without worries.
Works for me


^^^THIS is what I'm talking about! A CLEAN install of Windows and you're SKRAIT. If you get WINDOWS PREINSTALLED, you're in a world of trouble.

So as far as MAC OS installs, and MACs in General, I take it's as simple as sticking in the OS, and at the end of the process, that's it...no tweaking, no device drivers, nothing?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:25 PM - 24 February, 2012
One thing that bug me tho, is that if you get an OEM "Licensed" install done (of Windows 7), it registers the MOTHERBOARD with Microsoft, and if you make a major change to your PC, (upgrade the motherboard), you HAVE to purchase another license, as the license is tatooed to the motherboard. You'll pay half the price of the OEM license, but it dies when you make a major update to the PC.

If you get the RETAIL "Licensed" version of Windows 7, you can install it on any PC, but only instance can exist at a time.
HYDRO MATIC 1:26 PM - 24 February, 2012
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 how much did you spend on your PC and whats the specs? (if your cool with that0
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:40 PM - 24 February, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 how much did you spend on your PC and whats the specs? (if your cool with that0


SPEND?

Zero, these are 2 Laptops provided by my job.

However, I did spend money to update to 4GB of RAM (Windows only sees 3), from 500MB
and purchased a 500GB harddrive for it, and did a clean install of Windows XP Professional.

That one is the HP/Compaq 6710b.
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
T7100 @ 1.80GHz
1.79 GHz, 2.99 GB of RAM

My job has since changed the vendor to Lenovo as far as us having laptops, so they now gave me a Lenovo T410 which CAME with 4GB of RAM, and a 500GB harddrive with a Corporate image of Windows XP, that I have wiped and again installed a clean version of Windows XP Professional on.

Intel(R) Core(TM)i5 CPU
M 540 @ 2.53GHz
2.53 GHz, 2.98 of RAM.
Rick Hodgkins 1:45 PM - 24 February, 2012
If you have a PC you also have another option.
Purchase that second Xp Pro Or W7 Pro and load it into a dual boot system on your machine.
This will keep the original os intact and the second JUST for Djing.
Its as simple as picking which one when you power up the PC.
You can spend $ on memory or the $ on a new OS ($130) and be done with the nonsense.

Its the same principle as Bootcamp for mac.
BleepCore 1:49 PM - 24 February, 2012
I've configged 3 different Dell machines (business, not crappy Dell Home machines) for Serato, and now recently a 2.4Ghz Core2Duo black MacBook a friend traded to me.

The Dells were, absolutely, more work to configure. One of them sucked with Serato due to the known AMD processor issue (no biggie, it was rescued from the trash, free laptop)...one of them worked flawlessly with Serato after all my tweaking (I spent hours), and I knew its limitations. Only one time during a gig did it scare me, and that was a heat issue. (Screen froze for 1 full minute but music never stopped)... Once I started using a laptop stand it never did that again. Third Dell was an absolute bear to get working, due to a really bizarre issue with the SD card reader causing stupidly-high DPC latency. (If anyone here owns a Latitude E6420, just go into hardware manager and disable the SD-card reader.) Works fine after that.

The MacBook was relatively simple, I followed the few steps for optimization and I've not had any trouble with it. I don't think it's vastly superior to my Windows machines, it does have the spinning pinwheel of death every so often, and I've seen programs crash on it. I've talked to my producer and designer friends (all dedicated MacBook Pro users) and they do experience pinwheel/crash/kernel panic with their machines. (One guy says, "HA! You want me to crash a MacBook Pro? Gimme 1 minute with Photoshop or Illustrator.")

I can't say I've had the experience that seems common on the Serato forums, where a user switches to Apple machines and it's an amazing wonderful change for the better. I have to baby this MacBook less than the Dells, I have switched to the Apple machine as my dedicated DJ laptop, but I'm not sure (even after this experience) that I'd ever have spent $1000-$3000 for a new one.
Rick Hodgkins 1:55 PM - 24 February, 2012
That's worth mentioning also, the hacks you have to do to force these OS's to do what we want against their will is a total PITA and compounded if you need to restore. (start from scratch unless you have an image)
Whereas, you spend $130 and have what Windows wanted you to have in the first place.
W7 is a Godsend with the pre loaded drivers in comparison to XP.
DJ DisGrace 1:56 PM - 24 February, 2012
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So as far as MAC OS installs, and MACs in General, I take it's as simple as sticking in the OS, and at the end of the process, that's it...no tweaking, no device drivers, nothing?

yup that's it.

then take your clone of your old mac, and drag n drop everything back to your new one (including applications). or just "restore" with a Time Machine backup of your old Mac
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:09 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:
If you have a PC you also have another option.
Purchase that second Xp Pro Or W7 Pro and load it into a dual boot system on your machine.
This will keep the original os intact and the second JUST for Djing.
Its as simple as picking which one when you power up the PC.
You can spend $ on memory or the $ on a new OS ($130) and be done with the nonsense.

Its the same principle as Bootcamp for mac.


My issue isn't a MEMORY issue, it's a video driver for XP issue.

I've got enough memory and things...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:15 PM - 24 February, 2012
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W7 is a Godsend with the pre loaded drivers in comparison to XP.


I installed Win7 yesterday on a Lenovo E30 Workstation, with that AHCI Sata configured in the BIOS, and it came RIGHT UP! No F6 add Storage Driver during DOS Mode install of WINXP, or that "Prepare" batch file, reboot, go into BIOS, change the Compatibility Mode, etc..

So I'm amped for installing W7 on the Laptop.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:15 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:
I've configged 3 different Dell machines (business, not crappy Dell Home machines) for Serato, and now recently a 2.4Ghz Core2Duo black MacBook a friend traded to me.

The Dells were, absolutely, more work to configure. One of them sucked with Serato due to the known AMD processor issue (no biggie, it was rescued from the trash, free laptop)...one of them worked flawlessly with Serato after all my tweaking (I spent hours), and I knew its limitations. Only one time during a gig did it scare me, and that was a heat issue. (Screen froze for 1 full minute but music never stopped)... Once I started using a laptop stand it never did that again. Third Dell was an absolute bear to get working, due to a really bizarre issue with the SD card reader causing stupidly-high DPC latency. (If anyone here owns a Latitude E6420, just go into hardware manager and disable the SD-card reader.) Works fine after that.

The MacBook was relatively simple, I followed the few steps for optimization and I've not had any trouble with it. I don't think it's vastly superior to my Windows machines, it does have the spinning pinwheel of death every so often, and I've seen programs crash on it. I've talked to my producer and designer friends (all dedicated MacBook Pro users) and they do experience pinwheel/crash/kernel panic with their machines. (One guy says, "HA! You want me to crash a MacBook Pro? Gimme 1 minute with Photoshop or Illustrator.")

I can't say I've had the experience that seems common on the Serato forums, where a user switches to Apple machines and it's an amazing wonderful change for the better. I have to baby this MacBook less than the Dells, I have switched to the Apple machine as my dedicated DJ laptop, but I'm not sure (even after this experience) that I'd ever have spent $1000-$3000 for a new one.


Gotchu.
MPC O.G. 2:16 PM - 24 February, 2012
Another option would be to buy one of Samsung's "i" series laptops. Samsung builds most of the components for Apple. They used all the same parts, it just runs on W7. But be warned they cost as much as a mac. Wonder why?
VJ Justin Allen 2:17 PM - 24 February, 2012
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then take your clone of your old mac, and drag n drop everything back to your new one (including applications). or just "restore" with a Time Machine backup of your old Mac



DO NOT do this! Overwriting the operating system with another version used for a different machine may cause huge issues...or may not even operate at all. For instance dumping a laptop clone on an iMac machine will cause all sorts of issues.

Restoring with Time Machine may or may not work. Some software is "serialized" by the macID address that is unique to your machine and may not open afterwards.

It's much better to just reinstall those applications that you need to use.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:17 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:

Its the same principle as Bootcamp for mac.


I'm gonna research that....

So are there 3 partitions or something?
1 for each OS, and another for your data?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:18 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:
Another option would be to buy one of Samsung's "i" series laptops. Samsung builds most of the components for Apple. They used all the same parts, it just runs on W7. But be warned they cost as much as a mac. Wonder why?


I've got a compatible and robust laptop running XP, I just need to get it to Windows 7 Professional, but thanks.
Rick Hodgkins 2:23 PM - 24 February, 2012
On your osx disc there are instructions for installing Bootcamp. This effectively creates a new partician on which you install a second OS.
Another thing I forgot to mention is you can access files on the other partician. So if if I have downloaded music files to my Mac, I can access and play them on the PC side with no problem.

When you boot up and hear the chimes, press the option key and a prompt comes up for Mac or Windows.
From there its identical to what you're used to on pc.
DJ DisGrace 2:26 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
then take your clone of your old mac, and drag n drop everything back to your new one (including applications). or just "restore" with a Time Machine backup of your old Mac



DO NOT do this! Overwriting the operating system with another version used for a different machine may cause huge issues...or may not even operate at all. For instance dumping a laptop clone on an iMac machine will cause all sorts of issues.

Restoring with Time Machine may or may not work. Some software is "serialized" by the macID address that is unique to your machine and may not open afterwards.

It's much better to just reinstall those applications that you need to use.


oops... I've only ever reinstalled n the same computer, and just manually dragged my documents and apps back over from a super duper back up. I assumed Time Machine could help ith this also. my bad.
Mike_P 2:27 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Don't get a Mac [/thread]


Yep, you care.

Cats always get their chests puffed out over the Internet.

Lol. That's cute. How is my "chest puffed out?" *I have been working out BTW, thanks for noticing.*
bicedidit 2:31 PM - 24 February, 2012
ive had my mac for a little over a year...been a pc user since 1980...
last night i had my first freeze on my MBP
ive had no more than 3 dropouts since purchase (1/2011)
MBP is a solid piece of aluminim!
if i can afford to, i will never buy another pc


altho fuck apple and there mis-managing of employees in china...
i really would like to start buying all american but i dont have $1000000 to go food shopping
Rick Hodgkins 2:41 PM - 24 February, 2012
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oops... I've only ever reinstalled n the same computer, and just manually dragged my documents and apps back over from a super duper back up. I assumed Time Machine could help ith this also. my bad.


Which I will add works perfectly including importing WInclone to restore Bootcamp perfectly.
DJ Remy USA 4:45 PM - 24 February, 2012
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I've been using a shitty Toshiba Satellite on Vista w/2 gig memory and 1.6 processor for years. All kinds of programs loaded on it it, wifi & anit virus running at the same time and never had a crash or glitch. Hard drive crashed on me...but that's another story. Ill get a new HD and keep using it. No Mac for me.


somehow I dont believe you ran SSl without even a single glitch especially on vista that OS was the worst ever
CMOS 4:46 PM - 24 February, 2012
Why not just dual boot your Lenovo? Win 7 for DJ WInXP for work?

Bootcamp is cool, but i have run into driver issues with it, dealing with 3rd party hardware. Bootcamp seems to bluescreen a lot more than a normal windows 7 machine for me.

I use it for our tradeshows as Mac makes the nicest all in one case (iMac) the PC all in one options are a bit ugly, so we use the iMacs running bootcamp for tradeshows.
DJ Remy USA 4:49 PM - 24 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Its the same principle as Bootcamp for mac.


I'm gonna research that....

So are there 3 partitions or something?
1 for each OS, and another for your data?


Johnny I run my windows 7 enviornment off a external using VMware on my mac runs great. Ive even tested serato on VM and I actually had serato read my library on mac with some tweaking but I got it to work not that Ill ever need to do that but I like trying useless experiments
ninjaty 7:15 PM - 24 February, 2012
CMOS 7:20 PM - 24 February, 2012
Mike_P 7:25 PM - 24 February, 2012

bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.
CMOS 7:48 PM - 24 February, 2012
lol figured that pic would flame this back up so i have something to read while bored at work until 5.
Mike_P 8:01 PM - 24 February, 2012
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lol figured that pic would flame this back up so i have something to read while bored at work until 5.

lol
the_black_one 8:04 PM - 24 February, 2012
Joee 8:05 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.

well......that mac will last forever with very little maintenance.......now that pc will break down need repair & cost you alot of money in the long run, sh!t the way these gas prices are going that pc is just a plan o waste of money


peddle power baby, mac all the way
Joee 8:07 PM - 24 February, 2012
wrong quote,
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lol figured that pic would flame this back up so i have something to read while bored at work until 5.
ral 8:08 PM - 24 February, 2012
the_black_one 8:13 PM - 24 February, 2012
to the pc guys.......... i hope you like the color blue www.maximumpc.com
Rick Hodgkins 8:16 PM - 24 February, 2012
True story
When my wife's Dell forgot which drive to boot too because of a dead MB bios battery, I began the research.
So when the process to get to the battery involved less than changing out the MB, I said screw it. I am not kidding, remove the monitor keyboard bottom shield, top cover and so on, just to snap in a $2.00 battery that was the last straw.

Yup, I spent $1500 for a 15 MBP rather than let her spend $400 on another PoC.

And we lived happily ever after...
CMOS 8:42 PM - 24 February, 2012
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to the pc guys.......... i hope you like the color blue www.maximumpc.com


Funny, seems you mac guys like the color blue as well:

to the pc guys.......... i hope you like the color blue www.maximumpc.com
CMOS 8:42 PM - 24 February, 2012
aww link fail. D'oh!

www.propellerheads.se
Hassle 9:44 PM - 24 February, 2012
why don't you just fucking try one already. get a second-hand mac and if you don't like it, sell it again.

this thread looks like it's on some computer geek forum. there's probably not absolute truth to this, a lot of grey areas and different experiences, so you guys will never agree over technical arguments. it's not gonna happen regardless cuz people don't like to admit they're wrong to begin in general.

just smoke a lil' sumfin sumfin and relax yo
Hassle 9:45 PM - 24 February, 2012
*...to begin WITH in general.

I smoked a lil' sumfin sumfin already
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:49 PM - 24 February, 2012
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+100000 yall up in here actin like ur gettin commission on the sale lol
DJ Val-BKNY11203 10:23 PM - 24 February, 2012
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somehow I dont believe you ran SSl without even a single glitch especially on vista that OS was the worst ever


I swear to you, never a single problem. No drop outs, no freezing nada. I need to holla to you though bro. You are in the DC area. Im going to do buy a new hard drive for my shitty Toshiba and need a clean install. lol
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somehow I dont believe you ran SSl without even a single glitch especially on vista that OS was the worst ever


I swear to you, never a single problem. No drop outs, no freezing nada. I need to holla to you though bro. You are in the DC area. Im going to do buy a new hard drive for my shitty Toshiba and need a clean install. lol

I gota admit im havin a problem believing that shit too.......and if its true, serato Devs need to analyze that joint an maybe do some reverse engineering or something to recreate it. Did you modify or tweak it in any way ?
DJ Val-BKNY11203 11:03 PM - 24 February, 2012
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somehow I dont believe you ran SSl without even a single glitch especially on vista that OS was the worst ever


I swear to you, never a single problem. No drop outs, no freezing nada. I need to holla to you though bro. You are in the DC area. Im going to do buy a new hard drive for my shitty Toshiba and need a clean install. lol

I gota admit im havin a problem believing that shit too.......and if its true, serato Devs need to analyze that joint an maybe do some reverse engineering or something to recreate it. Did you modify or tweak it in any way ?


Nope nothing. I used to wait for the problems to happen because of all the horror stories people had with Vista. Guess I was the lucky one. It happens. Just like some people who buy shitty gear that lasts forever.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:05 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Yep, you care.

Cats always get their chests puffed out over the Internet.

Lol. That's cute. How is my "chest puffed out?" *I have been working out BTW, thanks for noticing.*


Good to know....

I'm sure all the boys at the gym appreciate that you've "been workign out BTW"....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:08 PM - 24 February, 2012



LOL..

Uh oh...
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....
Mike_P 11:09 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Don't get a Mac [/thread]


Yep, you care.

Cats always get their chests puffed out over the Internet.

Lol. That's cute. How is my "chest puffed out?" *I have been working out BTW, thanks for noticing.*


Good to know....

I'm sure all the boys at the gym appreciate that you've "been workign out BTW"....

no but your wife sure does. ;)
Mike_P 11:10 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....

true dat. reading your dumbass posts really brings down the IQ points.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:13 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Yep, you care.

Cats always get their chests puffed out over the Internet.

Lol. That's cute. How is my "chest puffed out?" *I have been working out BTW, thanks for noticing.*


Good to know....

I'm sure all the boys at the gym appreciate that you've "been working out BTW"....

no but your wife sure does. ;)


Yes, she appreaciates that you've got your chest as big as hers...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:14 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....

true dat. reading your dumbass posts really brings down the IQ points.


And in your case, there wasn't anywhere to go..right?
Mike_P 11:15 PM - 24 February, 2012
lol. she is pretty flat-chested isn't she. but that's cool, she got that booty though.
Mike_P 11:16 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....

true dat. reading your dumbass posts really brings down the IQ points.


And in your case, there wasn't anywhere to go..right?

lol, i know you are but what am i? hahaha! you sound like a 12 yo little girl. no wonder you like little boys. :O
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:18 PM - 24 February, 2012
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lol. she is pretty flat-chested isn't she. but that's cool, she got that booty though.


Yep, too bad you're a pickle sniffer....that's what that "P" stands for ...right?

You STAY on the "MIC"..right?

Thought so.
pdidy 11:18 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Nope nothing. I used to wait for the problems to happen because of all the horror stories people had with Vista. Guess I was the lucky one. It happens. Just like some people who buy shitty gear that lasts forever.

really ......we need a thread from reliable users who have been here a while to post their windows laptops that really work out the box with no problems an no modifications.....
Mike_P 11:19 PM - 24 February, 2012
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lol. she is pretty flat-chested isn't she. but that's cool, she got that booty though.


Yep, too bad you're a pickle sniffer....that's what that "P" stands for ...right?

You STAY on the "MIC"..right?

Thought so.

lol. you're remedial at best. keep trying. it's okay. i'll wait til you come up with a good one. ;)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:19 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....

true dat. reading your dumbass posts really brings down the IQ points.


And in your case, there wasn't anywhere to go..right?

lol, i know you are but what am i? hahaha! you sound like a 12 yo little girl. no wonder you like little boys. :O


Look at you...

Your post made NO sense....as usual...
Mike_P 11:20 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....

true dat. reading your dumbass posts really brings down the IQ points.


And in your case, there wasn't anywhere to go..right?

lol, i know you are but what am i? hahaha! you sound like a 12 yo little girl. no wonder you like little boys. :O


Look at you...

Your post made NO sense....as usual...

of course it doesn't make sense to you. lol. dumbass
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:21 PM - 24 February, 2012
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lol. she is pretty flat-chested isn't she. but that's cool, she got that booty though.


Yep, too bad you're a pickle sniffer....that's what that "P" stands for ...right?

You STAY on the "MIC"..right?

Thought so.

lol. you're remedial at best. keep trying. it's okay. i'll wait til you come up with a good one. ;)


I can't....I keep underestimating your stupidity, but you always seem to outdo yourself...

Congrats!

You must own a MAC.
Mike_P 11:22 PM - 24 February, 2012
hahaha! still waiting.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:23 PM - 24 February, 2012
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bahahaha! that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen. i think i'm dumber for having read it.


No no, I'm quite sure you've reached your maximum level of DUMBNESS wayyyy before you read that....

true dat. reading your dumbass posts really brings down the IQ points.


And in your case, there wasn't anywhere to go..right?

lol, i know you are but what am i? hahaha! you sound like a 12 yo little girl. no wonder you like little boys. :O


Look at you...

Your post made NO sense....as usual...

of course it doesn't make sense to you. lol. dumbass


Let's break it down....

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Not even REMOTELY able to attach that to what I said above...

***sigh****
Mike_P 11:23 PM - 24 February, 2012
i'm not even gonna take the time to "break it down" you're just too dumb.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:24 PM - 24 February, 2012
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of course it doesn't make sense to you. lol. dumbass


Again, you have that girly chest of yours puffed out over the internet....

Man, pull down your skirt, your slip is showing...
the_black_one 11:24 PM - 24 February, 2012
oh shit...... paging SIXXXXXXXXXXX
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:24 PM - 24 February, 2012
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i'm not even gonna take the time to "break it down" you're just too dumb.


Of course because even YOU see how DUMB you are...

And that's a feat that many can't admit...

THANKS!
Mike_P 11:26 PM - 24 February, 2012
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of course it doesn't make sense to you. lol. dumbass


Again, you have that girly chest of yours puffed out over the internet....

Man, pull down your skirt, your slip is showing...

lol. you stay obsessed with my chest don't you? i know you like little boys, but i think i'm a bit too old for your taste, chester.
Mike_P 11:26 PM - 24 February, 2012
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i'm not even gonna take the time to "break it down" you're just too dumb.


Of course because even YOU see how DUMB you are...

And that's a feat that many can't admit...

THANKS!

hahaha! look who's not making sense. talking in circles as usual. you're like a dog chasing her tail.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:28 PM - 24 February, 2012
Ok, here.... www.djjohnnym.com

We know, we know.....

***sigh***
Mike_P 11:29 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Ok, here.... www.djjohnnym.com

We know, we know.....

***sigh***

*yawn*
still waiting...
DJ Val-BKNY11203 11:29 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Nope nothing. I used to wait for the problems to happen because of all the horror stories people had with Vista. Guess I was the lucky one. It happens. Just like some people who buy shitty gear that lasts forever.

really ......we need a thread from reliable users who have been here a while to post their windows laptops that really work out the box with no problems an no modifications.....


They are both in the zone...your post got lost in between.
the_black_one 11:29 PM - 24 February, 2012
ANOTHER johnny discussion takes a turn towards the gutter
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:30 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Ok, here.... www.djjohnnym.com

We know, we know.....

***sigh***

*yawn*
still waiting...


Waiting for what? You've been sonned... www.djjohnnym.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:31 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Yep, were were having a MEANINGFUL discussion, and some cat gets all Metro, and here we are....
BERTO 11:31 PM - 24 February, 2012
osxdaily.com this ones good and i know all have tried it
Mike_P 11:31 PM - 24 February, 2012
haha! a legend in your own mind! wow, you really are delusional, aren't you. i'm kind of concerned now. it's kinda sad. :(
DJ Val-BKNY11203 11:32 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Ok, here.... www.djjohnnym.com

We know, we know.....

***sigh***

*yawn*
still waiting...


Waiting for what? You've been sonned... www.djjohnnym.com


daaaaaaaaaaaayum that musta hurt when he woke up
Mike_P 11:32 PM - 24 February, 2012
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Yep, were were having a MEANINGFUL discussion, and some cat gets all Metro, and here we are....

with your track record of shitting on threads, you can take a little beating of your own. lol
sixxx 11:51 PM - 24 February, 2012
Yummy popcorn.

I see the Chester name stuck. lol

nm
Mike_P 11:58 PM - 24 February, 2012
What's the matter johnny? Fat got yer tongue?
djdalite 12:39 AM - 25 February, 2012
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I swear to you, never a single problem. No drop outs, no freezing nada.

whats your latency set to?
no lie one of my djs spins with an Acer he bought on sale for like 299, he never gets dropouts, occasionally a flash of the light but thats only been after 2yrs of him having it and his song database getting larger. he hates on me all the time for buying a mac and i cant argue with him, but when going from my mac to his laptop the scratching is a joke, theres so much delay, even worse with my 57 hooked up. also scrolling crates is scary.

and comming from 3 pc's to my mac, honestly i wouldnt go back, well maybe for like a cheap backup but id still probably put OSX on it. My hp ran pretty good for a year, i would get some dropouts some usb lights but it was pretty solid, although i could never really run the latency to 1ms. But after spending what i did on it and the other backup to it, it was deff not worth the headache and insecurity of "what if" - battery life sucked, it was useless after a year you had to run the power adapter and then the stupid lawsuit with nvida and the vid cards on them, they never made it right, also the weight was ridic compared to my mb. - going on two years strong on this mb and i never have to worry if im going to have a problem, its %100 every time, running multiple apps or multitasking never worries me.

just my .2
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:47 AM - 25 February, 2012
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haha! a legend in your own mind! wow, you really are delusional, aren't you. i'm kind of concerned now. it's kinda sad. :(


Man, let me be clear...


When you said this
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[ I have been working out BTW, thanks for noticing.*


You commited SELF ETHER right there...

LMAO @ you trying to prove how "Tough" you are by telling a board full of MEN that you've been working out lately...

So, you should go back and think on that son...

:-)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:51 AM - 25 February, 2012
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Yep, were were having a MEANINGFUL discussion, and some cat gets all Metro, and here we are....

with your track record of shitting on threads, you can take a little beating of your own. lol


Here you go, wanting to "Beat" on men...

How about you get back in the gym because your feeble attempt at trying to lock this thread is ...well...

lame.
Dysquo 1:55 AM - 25 February, 2012
The real tech reason.... Core Audio drivers route the audio thru the system better, the audio path is more direct. Thats why they are the standard in all professional audio settings.

The consistency of the macs/drivers allow software manufactures to worry about one system, and get it right the 1st time. Windows has so many different drivers for every brand of soundcard, its impossible to not have issues with some setups.

You could always keep your PC and turn it into a Hackintosh! I did this with a netbook, and it was the best thing I did to it. It could barely run Serato with XP/W7, but with OSX it ran fine, and the display worked better.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:57 AM - 25 February, 2012
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The real tech reason.... Core Audio drivers route the audio thru the system better, the audio path is more direct. Thats why they are the standard in all professional audio settings.

The consistency of the macs/drivers allow software manufactures to worry about one system, and get it right the 1st time. Windows has so many different drivers for every brand of soundcard, its impossible to not have issues with some setups.

You could always keep your PC and turn it into a Hackintosh! I did this with a netbook, and it was the best thing I did to it. It could barely run Serato with XP/W7, but with OSX it ran fine, and the display worked better.


Hackintosh huh....

Interesting...
Mike_P 1:59 AM - 25 February, 2012
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haha! a legend in your own mind! wow, you really are delusional, aren't you. i'm kind of concerned now. it's kinda sad. :(


Man, let me be clear...


When you said this
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You commited SELF ETHER right there...

LMAO @ you trying to prove how "Tough" you are by telling a board full of MEN that you've been working out lately...

So, you should go back and think on that son...

:-)

Lol! Anyone with eyes and a cerebral cortex could tell that I was joking. You really ARE that dumb aren't you? Wow, just wow.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:00 AM - 25 February, 2012
Yep, right on time...BACKPEDDAL Mode...

***sigh***
Mike_P 2:01 AM - 25 February, 2012
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Yep, were were having a MEANINGFUL discussion, and some cat gets all Metro, and here we are....

with your track record of shitting on threads, you can take a little beating of your own. lol


Here you go, wanting to "Beat" on men...

How about you get back in the gym because your feeble attempt at trying to lock this thread is ...well...

lame.

I'm glad you're back from your nap. No I don't hope this thread gets locked. I'm having too much fun.

Look I already told you, 1. I'm not into males and 2. I'm not young enough for you, Chester. So stop hitting on me, please.
Mike_P 2:02 AM - 25 February, 2012
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Yep, right on time...BACKPEDDAL Mode...

***sigh***

lol. Talking in circles mode. I really can't tell if you're dumb or senile.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:02 AM - 25 February, 2012
lol, looks like you and Uncle Sixxx have been playing in the "Sandbox" again...No pics please..

This is a family show...

Now BACK to our regularly scheduled programming...
sixxx 2:09 AM - 25 February, 2012
lol @ Uncle Sixxx...

NOW you're getting mad at me cause the name Chester stuck...

I was fine watching from the sidelines. :)


nm
the_black_one 2:15 AM - 25 February, 2012
LOL
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:33 AM - 25 February, 2012
Nope, as a matter of fact, let me help dude out...

May I Present - HOW TO AVOID TAKING AN "L" ON Serato's FORUM!

So Mike_P & Friends...

When another poster has got you trapped into a corner and is about to deliver that ether, not all hope is lost. Here are some popular techniques to save yourself from taking an "L".

1.) Post Naked Females If the thread gets too dangerous, posting a picture of a naked attractive female could possibly derail the thread and save you. These will cause horny posters to request the name of the female so they can look them up and do what they do with them in the privacy of their own home.Following a picture such as this, fellow posters will join in and post pictures of females they also find attractive.This traffic very often breaks up the debate and saves you from ether.

2.) Say Your Favorite Artist , person,etc>>>>>>>>>> Their Favorite Artist,person, etc. The more ">>>>>>>>" the better. The key here is too exaggerate as much as possible. Claim their favorite artist sucks and they are overrated. Also pretend you don't know much about their favorite artist and claim that you haven't heard their most recent album yet. No matter how the poster responds, insult them by telling them "they caught feelings". This fatal technique, when done correctly, can cause the poster to log out and refrain from posting for weeks.

3.) You are on the internet, therefore you are wrong.

You will be amazed at how you can get away with using this one even though YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET TOO. Many years ago, it was considered lame and geeky to spend any appreciable amount of time on a computer. Now that this technology pervades our world, you would have to be either a hermit or an idiot to avoid using the world wide web to your fullest advantage. Despite this, you can effectively create the illusion that the only real discussion of Hip Hop, politics, or stripper talk takes place in mom n' pop record stores, literally on street corners, or in jail cells. If you are unable to form a logically coherent argument and people seem to be starting to notice, simply accuse your opponents of being on the internet.

If you are called out on using this tactic, lie and say you are browsing from your new 5G phone while in the club, getting head from a model, running for mayor, etc.

4.) Avoid that thread like the plague

Never confront any logically sound opposition to your campaign of stannery. Log out for a few days and brainstorm new topics that will be difficult to link to your previous L's. If questioned on your absence, type "LOL" followed by a made up story about how you have better things to do than post on an internet forum. If this claim is challenged, search your hard drive for old pictures of yourself with your cousin, post them, and say that she is your girlfriend.

5.) If everyone is talking about you it must mean you're a winner

Even though they are sonning you for a laugh and you have become the midget jester of Serato Forums, you may be able to turn this around by proposing that this attention, though it is negative, is a good thing. Do not admit that you spend more time online than just about everybody. Instead, declare that your critics are living in their mothers' basements.

6.) Get Everybody Involved

When you know you're losing the one on one, bring up something that your opponent has said in the past that would be mutually offensive to everyone. This way, the whole thread will begin to clown your enemy on some gang mentality shit. Also, reach for a co-sign from a powerful poster who most people agree with. Sure, you couldn't just take your L like a man, BUT YOU SURVIVED! And now, you can always bring this up in future threads, and re-write history as if you really were the winner.

7.) Post up a funny gif and/or TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTERS SO YOU CAN SHOW YOU MEAN SERIOUS BUSINESS.

This is usully reserved for those with graphic skills and a supreme sense of humor. After you mastered this art you can singlehandedly crawl out of any situation. Lets say a new item is coming out nd the whole world wants it. So two months before the item drops a poster claims to have 15 of said product already. He talks and talks about how dope it is and everyone else is a loser cause they dont have the shit. However when comes time to show and prove the person is ghost. 8 months later the person comes back and gets called out on their bs. Instead of providing proof THEY START A 100 PARAGRAPH RANT FULL OF JOKES AND FUNNY GIFS.Dont let the jedi mind tricks get to you..stay strong and focus on the task at hand.

I hope this helps in your future endeavors to get at me!

No thanks necessary! This was a freebie~!
Mike_P 2:38 AM - 25 February, 2012
what the hell has sixxx got to do with anything? lol crazy old man walking in circles and mumbling to himself.

there you go talking again about that "sandbox." you sure go into vivid detail about that "sandbox" and your homo-erotic fantasies and pedophilia. how many kids you got tied up in your "sandbox" in your man/boy-love cave?

please, don't think i'm gonna give you enough credit to read your insane ramblings. hahahaha! it's time to take your meds.
Mike_P 2:40 AM - 25 February, 2012
bottom line, you're a weak punchline to a bad joke. [/bodied]
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:49 AM - 25 February, 2012
Again, this was on me!
Mike_P 2:54 AM - 25 February, 2012
No idea what you're talking about. I can only assume that you're referring to the insane ramblings you posted above. Like I said, I won't be bothered to wade through the delusional content.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:56 AM - 25 February, 2012
I see you're invoking a modified version of #4! Good boy.
Mike_P 3:05 AM - 25 February, 2012
Lol. Keep up that healthy fantasy life Johnny. It'll all be over soon.
Mike_P 3:10 AM - 25 February, 2012
PS You can't win in a pissing match with an enlarged prostate. Go take ya meds.
Mike_P 3:17 AM - 25 February, 2012
You know what, Johnny? Straight up, man, I apologize. I shouldn't be fucking with an OG like you. I don't want to get 'taken out.' In fact I heard about the last kid that you fucked with...Hell there's still an active Amber Alert out. :(
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:32 AM - 25 February, 2012
Apology accepted. Now scram kid, ya bodder me.
Mike_P 3:38 AM - 25 February, 2012
Lol. Before you accept you should google Amber Alert. ;)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:38 AM - 25 February, 2012
No.
d:raf 3:41 AM - 25 February, 2012
There once was a time when this thread,
was informative; worth being read.
but as shown in the past,
that intent cannot last,
so commence with the insults instead.

<untracking>
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:45 AM - 25 February, 2012
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There once was a time when this thread,
was informative; worth being read.
but as shown in the past,
that intent cannot last,
so commence with the insults instead.

[u]


NO! COME BACK! He's gone! ;-)
Mike_P 3:47 AM - 25 February, 2012
Hahaha! Awesome. :)

I'm still here. ;)
jpg32123 9:46 AM - 25 February, 2012
Hey Johhny,
From my experience Windows 7 JUST WORKS. But you are asking a loaded question, because you have a free thinkpad 410 (from work) vs buying a new macbook pro for DJ. What I would do, (if work allows) is pop in an 120gig intel solid state drive and 8 gigs of ram in that work machine. Buy a clean copy of win7 64 and dual boot the work machine. Use your optical drive bay as a a storage drive slot.

Keep the old hard drive for work storage, and buy(use) a new hard drive for music. So when you leave work you slide in your music drive and boot to win 7 and experience a gig ready ready workhorse. Wake up the next day, slide out your music drive and replace with work storage drive and boot to xp. Rinse and repeat. For 400 bucks you can have the benefits of a screaming SSD modern computer.

I think I read a rumor that microsoft will stop supporting XP in 2014. XP came out in 2001, it is time to let it die.
Ceejay 11:35 AM - 25 February, 2012
I use both Mac Pro and Sony Vaio. My Mac is much more stable and responsive ,USB buffer is always set to 0 with no dropouts or glitches. My Vaio is more prone to dropouts.
I bought the Mac Pro for use with Serato Video.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:20 PM - 25 February, 2012
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Hey Johhny,
From my experience Windows 7 JUST WORKS. But you are asking a loaded question, because you have a free thinkpad 410 (from work) vs buying a new macbook pro for DJ. What I would do, (if work allows) is pop in an 120gig intel solid state drive and 8 gigs of ram in that work machine. Buy a clean copy of win7 64 and dual boot the work machine. Use your optical drive bay as a a storage drive slot.

Keep the old hard drive for work storage, and buy(use) a new hard drive for music. So when you leave work you slide in your music drive and boot to win 7 and experience a gig ready ready workhorse. Wake up the next day, slide out your music drive and replace with work storage drive and boot to xp. Rinse and repeat. For 400 bucks you can have the benefits of a screaming SSD modern computer.

I think I read a rumor that microsoft will stop supporting XP in 2014. XP came out in 2001, it is time to let it die.


Thank you sir! I loaded Win 7 on the laptop last night, and - just like you said, it just worked. I hadn't even added the drivers necessary to tweak it because Lenovo's site went on maintenance last night...but I'm up now getting those drivers.

I have to say, I'm very impressed with the initial install of Win7.

Oh, and up until this whole video glitch thing, I was popping in a HD exclusively for work, and a harddrive exclusively for DJ'ing...

Now I'll eventually make the WIN7 drive the one for DJ'ing.

And yep, XP is on it's way out, as I understand Windows 8 is slated to be "Released" this summer....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:20 PM - 25 February, 2012
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I use both Mac Pro and Sony Vaio. My Mac is much more stable and responsive ,USB buffer is always set to 0 with no dropouts or glitches. My Vaio is more prone to dropouts.
I bought the Mac Pro for use with Serato Video.


Wow, really @ "0"? Nice.
sixxx 4:32 PM - 25 February, 2012
Again, there is no such thing as zero on a mac.

Not even 1...... It's 2. That is the lowest possible number
you can go because of the nature of the beast.

Don't believe me? Ask Konix.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:03 PM - 25 February, 2012
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Again, there is no such thing as zero on a mac.

Not even 1...... It's 2. That is the lowest possible number
you can go because of the nature of the beast.

Don't believe me? Ask Konix.


Ok, I'm looking at the Buffer settings now on version 1.9.2, and I've got mine on 2 with the HP, and the lowest it can go is one click lower to "1".
sixxx 6:13 PM - 25 February, 2012
Yes. On a PC you can go to 1...

On a Mac you can go to 2...

It's because of the structure of the OS....

Nothing Serato can do about that... (On the Apple side)

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:28 PM - 25 February, 2012
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Yes. On a PC you can go to 1...

On a Mac you can go to 2...

It's because of the structure of the OS....

Nothing Serato can do about that... (On the Apple side)

nm


So isn't that a strike against MAC? Not being able to go down to the lowest USB Buffer setting of 1?
sixxx 7:17 PM - 25 February, 2012
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Yes. On a PC you can go to 1...

On a Mac you can go to 2...

It's because of the structure of the OS....

Nothing Serato can do about that... (On the Apple side)

nm


So isn't that a strike against MAC? Not being able to go down to the lowest USB Buffer setting of 1?


Not really because it doesn't make a difference one way or another. If you can scratch on a PC with a buffer of 1 and on a Mac with the buffer of 2 and tell me how different it feels, you win a prize. It's impossible.
sixxx 7:19 PM - 25 February, 2012
"So isn't that a strike against MAC? Not being able to go down to the lowest USB Buffer setting of 1?"

Btw, you're still not understanding. 2 IS the lowest USB buffer setting on a Mac. It's just a number. What Serato should've done is identify the lowest setting on the mac and call that 1....

Kinda like how forever Serato was using the wrong decibels on the audio. Then, all of a sudden everyone's audio changed with one version upgrade. nm
sixxx 7:26 PM - 25 February, 2012
Shit.... here's the actual answer. I guess I wasn't taking into consideration that I still have a 57...

So, here are the facts. What I've said is right... but only because I own a 57.

"SL 1 and TTM 57SL do not work with a USB buffer setting of 1 on Mac OS X

When using the SL 1 or TTM 57SL on Mac, Scratch Live does not work with a USB buffer setting of 1 (the minimum). This issue is due to limitations of Mac OS X and how it handles USB 1.1 audio devices.

Note: This problem does not effect the SL 2, SL 3, SL 4 and Sixty-Eight, as they are USB 2.0 devices.
Did you find this useful? Yes No


Taken from here: serato.com
sixxx 7:26 PM - 25 February, 2012
So, as you can see, that can't be a strike against Mac. It's actually a strike against USB 1.1 devices.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:31 PM - 25 February, 2012
Ok, take into account I'm using an SL3, and a PC, I can theoretically achive a "1".
sixxx 7:32 PM - 25 February, 2012
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Ok, take into account I'm using an SL3, and a PC, I can theoretically achive a "1".


Yes. Someone with a Mac and SL3 can also achieve a 1.

I thought we were talking about Macs. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:37 PM - 25 February, 2012
Man you know I ain't worried about MACs....:-D
jpg32123 12:28 AM - 26 February, 2012
Johnny,

I'm glad you're enjoying WINDOWS 7. Everyone wants to hate on PC because WIN 7 didn't debut until 2009 (most were hesitant after VISTA). Your only other stable supported choice was XP from 2001. What was Mac running in 2001??? You know that's not supported anymore. The Vista 64 bit change over gave alot of PC's a terrible rep (win 7 should have been a free upgrade to vista) at the same time Mac switched to using intel chipsets making them a viable alternative.

WINDOWS 7 ROCKS the house, and is just as stable(if not more as of late) as OSX. My sleek 14'' $600 windows 7 machine impressive all my friends with ipads all of the free functionality I have. I can make calls/ texts with google voice while streaming Dj mixes plugged into their tv with HDMI. I can stream free movies/tv with divx web player and flash while having 20 browser tabs open, and jamming free albums from spotify. I have sick slide shows that act as my desktop background that output on the big screen. Best of all I haven't paid a dime..... I even have free angry birds:)

And yes a MACBOOK PRO can do all of the same things but my laptop costs less than what others spent on their IPad or Iphone. When I plug an any printer or peripheral things JUST WORK with drivers just automatically downloading.

All in all I would rather roll to mobile a gig with 2 $600 dollar WIN 7 machines than one $1200 OSX rig. Bridezilla dont care about kernal panics with you new version of jungle cats.
Dj Shamann 1:19 AM - 26 February, 2012
I didn't read the whole thread (I know that's forum suicide but it is what it is)

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Especially for someone like JM that is a PC guy for years


This. Johnny's an I.T. if I'm correct, there are computer illiterates who wave the Mac flag based on the slogan that it "just works" when the truth is there are Macs that fuck up too. When you're well versed in computers you don't have all these problems that the "PCs suck I haz da Mac" users have.

I'm an intermediate computer user and don't have half the knowledge an I.T. would and have used both. Other than certain programs that don't work on both platforms, I've never been able to justify the difference so I can't imagine a professional being that hard sold on the difference


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I'm glad you're enjoying WINDOWS 7. Everyone wants to hate on PC because WIN 7 didn't debut until 2009 (most were hesitant after VISTA)


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WINDOWS 7 ROCKS the house


Windows 7 is great.
Dj Shamann 1:22 AM - 26 February, 2012
I will admit this though, I bought video SL and it works, but running it on a PC with a screen capture is not good. Who knows what the new Serato video will bring.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:53 AM - 26 February, 2012
Yo, I just realized that I installed the 32bit version of WIN 7, and was rockin' 3GB of RAM seen by the OS.

Wiped that out real quick, installed the 64 BIT, and just downloaded the major 64 bit version drivers, and man let me tell you...

THIS SH*T is PHENOMINAL...Werd up, I didn't think a Windows system could load up THAT DAMN EASY...

I'm on my way to a gig now, but tomorrow it's ON like popcorn...

I do believe my issue has been resolved....I can even see 4GB being used by the OS...

Oh man, it's about to go down....
jpg32123 5:40 AM - 26 February, 2012
64 bit WIN 7 is the BOMB. I'm rockin a cheap 14'' Thinkpad Edge I3 intel with 4 gigs of ram and regular hard drive. If you want to take it to the next level (from what I've seen) pop in an intel solid state drive and 8 gigs of ram. You might not need that though if you just on 1.9.2.

I aint hatin' on on MACS, if you want a discrete graphics card and can work mostly in MAC OSX its a fine choice. But to say that OSX is somehow inherently better than WIN 7, I just don't believe it. I'd rather have a T or W series Thinkpad or HP ELITEBOOK , they have certified workstation graphics cards for architecture and engineering.

They use Thinkpads on the international space station and all kinds of F'up environments. I don't want to join a cult, or have computer jewelry, but I want a rugged computer that I can spill shit on, drop a few times... and if I have to.... beat somebody up with the damm computer if shit goes down. I dont want to be all worried about scratchin' my pretty case or dropin beers on it on the keyboard.
the_black_one 6:00 AM - 26 February, 2012
^^^^LOL..... imma shut up and quit try to make the old man see the light.... carry on
DJ Tecniq 6:23 AM - 26 February, 2012
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it's not gonna happen regardless cuz people don't like to admit they're wrong to begin in general.
welcome to the forum...
jpg32123 6:28 AM - 26 February, 2012
Hey....if MACS were cheaper than PC's I'd rock one with out hesitation. First I'd buy some sort of case armor/ keyboard cover before I took it out in the wild though.

I will laugh at the day when MACS have 50% of the market share and all of the sudden half the viruses, spyware, malware etc are written to attack the "click happy"people who have no idea how or why they should defend themselves.
RogerRabbit 2:30 PM - 26 February, 2012
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THIS SH*T is PHENOMINAL...Werd up, I didn't think a Windows system could load up THAT DAMN EASY...

Lol - man you taking this "old school cat" thing too far - I can't believe you just now parting with XP and updating to win 7 :)
DeezNotes 2:37 PM - 26 February, 2012
I refuse to read all this shit.

Don't take anyone's word for it. Apple changed their return policy years ago to no restocking fee. Go buy one, use it for about 3 weeks and form your own opinion. You'll hate it the first week, start to come around the second week and you might start to change your mind by the 3rd.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:13 PM - 26 February, 2012
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THIS SH*T is PHENOMINAL...Werd up, I didn't think a Windows system could load up THAT DAMN EASY...

Lol - man you taking this "old school cat" thing too far - I can't believe you just now parting with XP and updating to win 7 :)


Man, there are a few reasons why....

First the corporation I work for is 2 OS's behind...I started with them in 2001, and they were JUST moving to Windows 2000 off of 95...not even 98SE...

So I'm CONSTANTLY support XP from a Corporate standpoint, and they only reason they're even considering moving to WIN 7 is because we're obligated to support OS not more than 2 generations old. So for right now, that means Vista and XP.

"Relatively" soon, Windows 8 will be out, and that pushes XP off the support spectrum, and they HAVE to either pick up VISTA, (which we never will), or Win 7.

I've also had bad experiences with Vista, and all my "Personal" users had me downgrade their PC's to XP, so there we go.

Plus I"ve got XP on all PC's and laptops in the house, and they all ran like champs...

Oh, and I have an XP Volume License, so I could install XP at my leisure.

So, you know Microsoft tighted up their Licensing scheme, so I would have been forced to buy, say 4 or 5 Win 7 Professional ones for home, and that was not at the top of my priority list...

So I was able to recently acquire a Volume License for Win 7 (32 & 64 BIT), and I'm off to the races...

And that this time it would be Vista and XP.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:15 PM - 26 February, 2012
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I refuse to read all this shit.


Ha, I don't need you to read ALL of it, but answer this below...

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I forget who it was but I think it was Deez who bought a Mac when he went to the Namm, installed SSL and was ready to go and he had never owned a mac before.


You know what? He'd be probably one of the ones who could give good insight on this...

Particularly, WHY he bought a MAC?

Was it STRICTLY for DJ'ing? or did he need/want it for something else, and it just so happened to be his Laptop of choice...

Also, to take into account the "Ease" of setup on the fly, and if that's truly the case, and if he could have achieved the SAME THING if he would have brought his Windows Laptop...
DJ'Que 7:05 PM - 26 February, 2012
I'm go say it this way

If you go to clubs and always see the DJ with a mac ask them why.

You will get the same answer "Stability"

And that's the truth. Some do crash but most of it is user error.

I had mines crash 2 weeks ago. my friend was djing and his hard drive went to sleep and I was doing Video. when he got on he was searching for a song tried to load it up and nothing.
The wheel came and he just keep pushing trying to load it. I was at the bar when he called me.
But I heard him play the same song again and the promoter was like what the fuck he doing.

I get the find out what he did and had to throw in a premixed CD. and eject his hd.

So really it didn't crash I rebooted it not thinking about force close ssl. I always spin with the ssl window minimized so I can force close if the ball comes. this has save me a lot.
Rick Hodgkins 7:26 PM - 26 February, 2012
You can also Control/tab back to finder which gets your dock back.

More often crashes are confused with hangs which if given time can correct.
But if you enter a repeat command, it could just as easy call it a night.
Rick Hodgkins 7:26 PM - 26 February, 2012
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You can also Command/tab back to finder which gets your dock back.

More often crashes are confused with hangs which if given time can correct.
But if you enter a repeat command, it could just as easy call it a night.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:35 PM - 26 February, 2012
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I'm go say it this way

If you go to clubs and always see the DJ with a mac ask them why.


That's still not telling me anything.

I needed to know specifically from people who are WELL VERSED in Windows, why they went to a MAC, and basically the answer is CONVENIENCE, not really stability, unless you're talking video.
DJMark 10:26 PM - 26 February, 2012
Use a Windows PC if that's what you're used to and happy with, and you're not doing video.

/end thread.
DJ Dub Cowboy 10:46 PM - 26 February, 2012
Just find out for yourself Johnny. You gonna let a bunch of forum names tell you what to do?

Obviously you will not be happy until you see for yourself. Just go buy a basic 13" refurb for a$1000 and see what it is all about.

I know how to tweak a PC too, I would rather spend my time mixing.
Time = money.


I use a Mac because it allows me more time to mix, network, and the cream of the crop is more time with my family. That is why 5 years later I have never looked back to a windows computer. It paid for itself so many times over. I've also never had an issue with Serato running right and that is on 5 different macs always running the latest and greatest features and gear and even beta versions.
dj_craigmac 11:18 PM - 26 February, 2012
OK JM, so i gave u the tech side of things in and earlier post. 6 years and 2 macs later i will probably never buy another pc. My work pc laptop and desktop always have issues and the only thing i do is work related stuff no porn or questionable websites and still all kind of bs happens to my pc's. Now my mac g4 powerbook(8 yrs old) still runs everything fairly well, and it does not have any of the stability problems that my work pc's have. Now my macbook is a flawless beast and makes my NAVY purchased top of the line state of the art maxed out pc's seem kinda prehistoric in the stability relm. The only area the pc beat both my macs was speed ONLY and thats because they have far higher specs.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:35 PM - 26 February, 2012
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Use a Windows PC if that's what you're used to and happy with,


I asked the question because just because you're "used to" using a product, doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a better option out there.

I'm just trying to gauge how much of a performance boost for 1500 bucks more, will I get using a MAC vs. a PC.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:36 PM - 26 February, 2012
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OK JM, so i gave u the tech side of things in and earlier post. 6 years and 2 macs later i will probably never buy another pc. My work pc laptop and desktop always have issues and the only thing i do is work related stuff no porn or questionable websites and still all kind of bs happens to my pc's. Now my mac g4 powerbook(8 yrs old) still runs everything fairly well, and it does not have any of the stability problems that my work pc's have. Now my macbook is a flawless beast and makes my NAVY purchased top of the line state of the art maxed out pc's seem kinda prehistoric in the stability relm. The only area the pc beat both my macs was speed ONLY and thats because they have far higher specs.


Would you consider yourself Technically Savvy on say, the Windows Drivers side of things?
dj_craigmac 11:40 PM - 26 February, 2012
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OK JM, so i gave u the tech side of things in and earlier post. 6 years and 2 macs later i will probably never buy another pc. My work pc laptop and desktop always have issues and the only thing i do is work related stuff no porn or questionable websites and still all kind of bs happens to my pc's. Now my mac g4 powerbook(8 yrs old) still runs everything fairly well, and it does not have any of the stability problems that my work pc's have. Now my macbook is a flawless beast and makes my NAVY purchased top of the line state of the art maxed out pc's seem kinda prehistoric in the stability relm. The only area the pc beat both my macs was speed ONLY and thats because they have far higher specs.


Would you consider yourself Technically Savvy on say, the Windows Drivers side of things?




Up until XP
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:44 PM - 26 February, 2012
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OK JM, so i gave u the tech side of things in and earlier post. 6 years and 2 macs later i will probably never buy another pc. My work pc laptop and desktop always have issues and the only thing i do is work related stuff no porn or questionable websites and still all kind of bs happens to my pc's. Now my mac g4 powerbook(8 yrs old) still runs everything fairly well, and it does not have any of the stability problems that my work pc's have. Now my macbook is a flawless beast and makes my NAVY purchased top of the line state of the art maxed out pc's seem kinda prehistoric in the stability relm. The only area the pc beat both my macs was speed ONLY and thats because they have far higher specs.


Would you consider yourself Technically Savvy on say, the Windows Drivers side of things?


Up until XP


lol, noted...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:45 PM - 26 February, 2012
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I use a Mac because it allows me more time to mix, network, and the cream of the crop is more time with my family.


Wow, first I kinda skimmed over this, but you make a VERY valid point as I sit here and am STILL DOWNLOADING all the WIN 7 drivers - 32 & 64...

Point well received - (NM)
DJ Michael Basic 12:09 AM - 27 February, 2012
What I will say about my mac is...I like being able to browse the internet while I'm DJing if it's a boring venue. I do a lounge gig on Thursdays, and while the music I get to play is dope, it can get boring watching people eat tapas and tapping their feet to the vibe, so I browse facebook, the forums, etc.

Part of what kept my HP problem free for 6 years of 4 gigs a week was not going on the internet except for dropbox 99% of the time.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:18 AM - 27 February, 2012
Ok, I'm able to browse on the internet on my HP with no problem, but I don't make a habit of it...
DJ Michael Basic 12:20 AM - 27 February, 2012
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Ok, I'm able to browse on the internet on my HP with no problem, but I don't make a habit of it...


Why don't you make a habit of it?
Dj Shamann 12:21 AM - 27 February, 2012
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I know how to tweak a PC too, I would rather spend my time mixing.
Time = money.


C'mon dude, you're acting as if you have to tweak a PC everyday, you do it once and that's it.

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I use a Mac because it allows me more time to mix, network, and the cream of the crop is more time with my family.


HAHAHAHA

You're right, us PC users don't have time to do any of that because tweaking our computers is a full time job. Damn PC's.






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only thing i do is work related stuff no porn or questionable websites



My PC is on 24/7, visits porn sites and other shady spots and I don't have so much as a hiccup. I don't know what you guys do to your PC's that make it sound like they're the worst things on earth. If they were all as bad as some of you make them out to be they would never sell.
Dj Shamann 12:25 AM - 27 February, 2012
BTW Dub I'm just busting your balls (no homo, no misquote, no oranges, no shirt no shoes no service, Dawn Penn, No, No, No)
RogerRabbit 12:27 AM - 27 February, 2012
You never apologize when you are speaking the truth.. :)
Dj Shamann 12:29 AM - 27 February, 2012
True dat
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:36 AM - 27 February, 2012
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Ok, I'm able to browse on the internet on my HP with no problem, but I don't make a habit of it...


Why don't you make a habit of it?


Because I'm MOSTLY busy DJ'ing.... :-D
DJ Tecniq 12:59 AM - 27 February, 2012
Mac's have a 5 hr battery when fully charged. It takes bout an hr or more to fully charge a Mac...Windows = Forever and you usually have to buy a new battery to last that long.
DeezNotes 2:08 AM - 27 February, 2012
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I refuse to read all this shit.


Ha, I don't need you to read ALL of it, but answer this below...

Quote:
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I forget who it was but I think it was Deez who bought a Mac when he went to the Namm, installed SSL and was ready to go and he had never owned a mac before.


You know what? He'd be probably one of the ones who could give good insight on this...

Particularly, WHY he bought a MAC?

Was it STRICTLY for DJ'ing? or did he need/want it for something else, and it just so happened to be his Laptop of choice...

Also, to take into account the "Ease" of setup on the fly, and if that's truly the case, and if he could have achieved the SAME THING if he would have brought his Windows Laptop...

Yeah that was me who bought one hours before a show. It worked out fine. I had the PC there, but there were driver issues.

I was torn between a MacBook which was unknown to me and a dell at the time. Something about the dell steered me towards the Mac. Plus I was a little curious. Fast forward years later and there are NO windows machines at the house. Only in a VM because I can use the VM for work, but its not completely necessary. I tunnel in via VPN within the VM and that system will be on my work network while the hosting Mac will be on my home network. But whatever....

Bottom line is I spend much less time maintaining the Macs I have at home. Very little time if any at all. When I'm at work, I'm working in windows based systems (for the most part). When I'm at home, there is no "work" to be done for my home systems. I can't imagine having a family and wasting time maintaining windows systems at home like I used to.

Strictly for DJing? Hell no. That's a waste of money. Can you do the same stuff on both? Skill wize yeah. Macs just don't work well with all webcams. When there is a can that does work well with a Mac it looks great. Other than that, there are always alternatives to doing certain tasks. Neither will help you dj better.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:10 AM - 27 February, 2012
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Fast forward years later and there are NO windows machines at the house.


Dizzam...

Thanks bro, and to errybody that contributed.....
sixxx 3:15 AM - 27 February, 2012
and there you have it...

I think the points that stand out the most and that I've seen true for the most part are these:

"I had the PC there, but there were driver issues."

For some reason, I always see window users with driver issues. I'm not saying all the time, but this is a major drawback for me.

and this one rings true to me too:

"Bottom line is I spend much less time maintaining the Macs I have at home. Very little time if any at all."

Same here... with family and kids and all, I really never touch my mac unless I have to DJ, design something or whatever. Once I buy it and install whatever programs I need, you never again see me "tweaking" stuff to make something work.

nm
sixxx 3:17 AM - 27 February, 2012
"You're right, us PC users don't have time to do any of that because tweaking our computers is a full time job. Damn PC's."

You may be laughing but you know it's true to a sense. Just ask yourself how many times you've had to deal with tweaking your computer for whatever reason. Say, from the time you buy it, to the time you get rid of it.

And then, the less you know about it, the more you will run into issues. But, look at JohnnyM. He knows his stuff and he's still spending hours on XP drivers. Yeah, it's XP... but come on. :)

nm
dj_craigmac 4:24 AM - 27 February, 2012
8:26 PM pacific time... Johnnym still up tweakin WINDOWS7 ???
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:43 AM - 27 February, 2012
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But, look at JohnnyM. He knows his stuff and he's still spending hours on XP drivers. Yeah, it's XP... but come on. :)

nm


No actually it's WIN 7, and I'm spending WAY too much time figuring out the last 2 drivers for devices.

Keep in mind, once I get the right drivers installed in the right order, everything is usually gravy, but I'm gonna have a general learning curve for the 64 BIT angle too....

So for the short term, my issue will be solved via Windows 7.

No rush to get to a MAC, from a PERFORMANCE standpoint, but will definitely get there ultimately.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:44 AM - 27 February, 2012
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8:26 PM pacific time... Johnnym still up tweakin WINDOWS7 ???


Man, it is what it is...
dj_craigmac 4:49 AM - 27 February, 2012
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8:26 PM pacific time... Johnnym still up tweakin WINDOWS7 ???


Man, it is what it is...



LOL... Right now on my MAC 1. analyzing tracks in SSL 2. Lurking in Stickam 3. facebooking
4. organizing tracks in itunes 5. making fun of JM on serato forums all @ the same time with no issues
djdalite 4:50 AM - 27 February, 2012
its pretty simple - the software works better with a Mac, its a plug n play deal - buy mac/turn it on/install serato and never look back. im not gonna say it didnt work pretty good on my pc laptops but the scenarios in my head were always like...am i gonna get a drop out...will i have problems with too many background services running...should i turn off the internet...ya i probably should...o shit did i leave on bluetooth...and then the battery never holding a charge...what happens when its unplugged for 10mins - it f'n dies on you (how much are batteries....100 f dollars)

my mac ... o man im running serato and ableton at time while doing the bridge - o crap im recording at the same time....hey everybody look at this *insert porn site* , let me play it over the mic for the whole club to enjoy - o why not skype while im mixing video live....

i could go on and on ...really just get your hands on one and spin for a few months and see if it doesn't change your mind. would i spend 2500 on a new mac every time they release a new version to watch porn/play a few games and use for work or school...no that was pc's are for
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:52 AM - 27 February, 2012
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8:26 PM pacific time... Johnnym still up tweakin WINDOWS7 ???


Man, it is what it is...


LOL... Right now on my MAC 1. analyzing tracks in SSL 2. Lurking in Stickam 3. facebooking
4. organizing tracks in itunes 5. making fun of JM on serato forums all @ the same time with no issues


Ummm....I'm configuring WIN7 64bit for the 1st time, so by my nature, it's something that's gonna take time, because I like it perfect...BTW, just resolved the driver issue, now I'm gonna wipe the whole thing and do it again...
dj_craigmac 4:53 AM - 27 February, 2012
SEE
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:57 AM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
SEE


Man, I'm about knowing my OS through and through...(NM).
dj_craigmac 4:58 AM - 27 February, 2012
Enjoy...lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:20 AM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Enjoy...lol


Yeah, TOMORROW, but I needed to get over that hump tonight, cuz it was buggin me...
Dj K.Smith 6:07 AM - 27 February, 2012
Go get a Mac.... I'll sell you one of mine, lol...
DJ'Que 6:30 AM - 27 February, 2012
Dam Your about to wipe it and do it again. wheeewww your good. I would of just said fuck it mac here i come.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:54 AM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Dam Your about to wipe it and do it again. wheeewww your good. I would of just said fuck it mac here i come.


Nope, that's how you sharpen the skills....
jpg32123 9:05 AM - 27 February, 2012
Johnny,

I hope your are finding your way around WIN 7.

Check out this article and script to easily optimize windows from the tech tools website:

www.djtechtools.com

Then run DPC latency checker from here:

www.thesycon.de


These are some easy tools to manage background services and actually see what your computer's latency is. Yes a Mac is much easier out of the box, but if you already have a modern PC's for work I see no need to upgrade if you aren't doing video and have experience with computers.
Rick Hodgkins 9:47 AM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Mac's have a 5 hr battery when fully charged. It takes bout an hr or more to fully charge a Mac...Windows = Forever and you usually have to buy a new battery to last that long.


Mine is an 09 with the power options maxed.
When I bought it, the hr rating was 7, unplugging now I have 4.34hrs left and its climbing.

Not sure if this is battery technology, charging controls in the mac or a combination of both.
Never had a PC battery last an hour at this point in its life.

I've had this completely apart to change a keyboard, compared to my wife's Dell I wrote about, a breeze to work on and even clean fans etc...

oh...and its aluminum, not plastic

best computer I've ever owned or built
WarpNote 10:12 AM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
I thought thunderbolt was supposed to be daisychainable like firewire?

Michael, I've been offline for a few days, not gonna read the 300+ posts that came up the last days. If this have answered already, then my apologies.

My "issue" with current thunderbolt daisychains, are that the a dvi/vga screen/projector will have to go into the chain. If having any issue with hard drives in the chain, the display output will probably suffer?
DeezNotes 1:22 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Dam Your about to wipe it and do it again. wheeewww your good. I would of just said fuck it mac here i come.


Nope, that's how you sharpen the skills....

I used to think the same way. Now I don't care anymore. If I want to build and rebuild I can do that within a VM. It won't disrupt my everyday needs for a computer either.

I gave Sasha a Mac when she first moved down here. She was pissed off at it during the first month because it was different from a PC. Same Mac. Same os... I haven't had to fix it, rebuild it, none of that... not ONCE in the 3 years she's had it. From the context clues I'm reading, you rebuilt a system more times and have had more issues than she has in 3 years. Not to mention other friends who now have Macs and no longer call me for help.

Time is non-refundable my dude.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:56 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:

Time is non-refundable my dude.


Oh, I hate you...lol.

And I have no excuse....except that many of my "own" users have Windows, so I'll still need to know the OS backwards and forwards....

But yeah, y'all are right with the amount of PERSONAL time that I could be using to...you know...

Practice....:-).
sixxx 2:57 PM - 27 February, 2012
"Time is non-refundable my dude."

Yup.

If that isn't the biggest SOLID REASON....
DJ Michael Basic 4:30 PM - 27 February, 2012
I had MAJOR audio dropouts last night with my mac...wireless was off, closed all other programs that were open, it still happened...so to be fair, macs don't always "just work out of the box" either.

I think it has to with playing tracks I haven't played before with this computer...even though I built all unbuilt overviews and rescanned the mp3 tags, serato still wants to write tags on a lot of tracks that I haven't played before with the mac yet, and when it does, sometimes I get audible usb dropouts. This has happened with an sl1, and a ttm57 on multiple occasions. I never got usb dropouts with my HP.
CMOS 6:20 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
I had MAJOR audio dropouts last night with my mac...wireless was off, closed all other programs that were open, it still happened...so to be fair, macs don't always "just work out of the box" either.



I think it has to with playing tracks I haven't played before with this computer...even though I built all unbuilt overviews and rescanned the mp3 tags, serato still wants to write tags on a lot of tracks that I haven't played before with the mac yet, and when it does, sometimes I get audible usb dropouts. This has happened with an sl1, and a ttm57 on multiple occasions. I never got usb dropouts with my HP.



This is because you used to use a PC, it knows.

:P
CMOS 6:22 PM - 27 February, 2012
JM im curious, what driver issues did you have on Win7? I havent had to install ANY drivers to get systems working with 7. Windows update usually picks up all the hardware and installs as necessary. Even 3rd party video drivers come through on windows update nowdays.

THe only time ive had to muck around with drivers on win7 was upgrading an older laptop, i had to grab a driver for the volume/shortcut buttons above the keyboard to work.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:42 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
I had MAJOR audio dropouts last night with my mac...wireless was off, closed all other programs that were open, it still happened...so to be fair, macs don't always "just work out of the box" either.

I think it has to with playing tracks I haven't played before with this computer...even though I built all unbuilt overviews and rescanned the mp3 tags, serato still wants to write tags on a lot of tracks that I haven't played before with the mac yet, and when it does, sometimes I get audible usb dropouts. This has happened with an sl1, and a ttm57 on multiple occasions. I never got usb dropouts with my HP.



sounds like a 2.3.3+ issue. Were they video files by chance? The new tag lib system did the same number on my MBP but it stopped as soon as I played through the files.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:21 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
JM im curious, what driver issues did you have on Win7? I havent had to install ANY drivers to get systems working with 7. Windows update usually picks up all the hardware and installs as necessary. Even 3rd party video drivers come through on windows update nowdays.

THe only time ive had to muck around with drivers on win7 was upgrading an older laptop, i had to grab a driver for the volume/shortcut buttons above the keyboard to work.


***COMMENCING GEEK TALK!!! I LOVE IT****

The PCI and some other Simple PCI Component didn't register in the device manager.

It eventually updated via Windows Update, and I have to check to see if they have a Service Pack slipstreamed in the media that I'm using.

I'm going to wipe it out again and reinstall from the door, manually update the Ethernet Driver, download that Lenovo Solution Center automatic updater, and see what drivers it installs from the ground up.

It's crazy because I used the same drivers (except WIN7 versions) on this build when I built the XP version, and all device drivers were compensated for.

The only difference was that there's some STMicro TPM driver that I had to manually install in XP, but is native in WIN7.

I'm gonna take a second look at how it discovers the Wireless LAN card tho, I think that may have something to do with it.

Stay tuned.

****TERMINATING GEEK TALK***
DJ Michael Basic 7:24 PM - 27 February, 2012
Nah just MP3s I don't do video.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:47 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Johnny,

I hope your are finding your way around WIN 7.

Check out this article and script to easily optimize windows from the tech tools website:

www.djtechtools.com

Then run DPC latency checker from here:

www.thesycon.de


These are some easy tools to manage background services and actually see what your computer's latency is. Yes a Mac is much easier out of the box, but if you already have a modern PC's for work I see no need to upgrade if you aren't doing video and have experience with computers.


***RIGHT CLICK, SAVE AS***

Thank you sir!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:51 PM - 27 February, 2012
What's funny is that even though I go through a 90 step process to build a PC from scratch, it works GREAT, and never gave me any issues....No turning off Wifi, Antivirus, I can surf, and as a matter of fact, I was using it for regular stuff with no problem.

So I've always had the attitude that if someone is having a problem with their LAPTOP/PC, then they just have a bunch of junk on there using up resources, and they don't know how (or have to tools) to do a CLEAN install, and configure from the bottom up.

Hey CMOS (or anybody else that knows), should I be on the lookout for anything funky with regard to running 32BIT vs. 64BIT?
CMOS 7:55 PM - 27 February, 2012
Lol you gotta write out that script for me. 90 steps? Son, windows 7 is 2 steps.

Put in install CD, wait till finish, run windows update till it says no more updates available.

Done, turn on serato n spin. (Before you all get your thongs twisted, antivirus is included with windows update nowdays if you dont already have one installed)

32/64 nothing to worry about, most installers nowdays are smart enough to recognize the different before they start to install, and will fail if its not the right type. Rarely run into issues with this other than with old crappy hardware.
jpg32123 7:56 PM - 27 February, 2012
On lookers see Johnny wrenching on his PC and say WTF.... man Buy a MAC already.

Think of it like this

Dude drives up in a BMW and sees a mechanic wrenching on his custom car Hot ROD.

BMW DUDE says " HEY mechanic dude buy a BMW it has free maintenance"

Mechanic says " Well I enjoy wrenching on my car and plus, well... I get paid to wrench on other peoples cars too"

TIME = Money
KNOWLEDGE = Power
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:57 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
"Time is non-refundable my dude."

Yup.

If that isn't the biggest SOLID REASON....


That is actually a matter of PREFERENCE.....

I say this because when dealing with computer IN GENERAL, you have to have a level of patience that most don't have....

So it's nothing for me to keep investigating until I get it right, and employ that solution going forward, and it helps me in my career also as far as building my knowledge base.

However, this is DEFINITELY a threshold that will cause you to evaluate the amount of time you spend CONSTANTLY fixing something.

I absolutely refuse to do bandaids for PC/Laptops knowing I will be back in a few weeks to fix the problem again.

The learning process of Win7 is expected and therefore not a bother...but I AM liking the fact that I know that I can now purchase a MAC for my stepdaughter, get the right Applecare, and not have to worry about maintenance...

As far as DJ'ing? If I get the extra loot for 2 MACS in the house, we'll see where that can go...

:-D
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:02 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Lol you gotta write out that script for me. 90 steps? Son, windows 7 is 2 steps.

Put in install CD, wait till finish, run windows update till it says no more updates available.

Done, turn on serato n spin. (Before you all get your thongs twisted, antivirus is included with windows update nowdays if you dont already have one installed)

32/64 nothing to worry about, most installers nowdays are smart enough to recognize the different before they start to install, and will fail if its not the right type. Rarely run into issues with this other than with old crappy hardware.


Thanks!

And that's EXACTLY what it did - Eventualy.

Most times what I do is go to the Lenovo site - Download all the drivers in advance, burn them to a CD or USB, install Windows, copy the directory structure to the C drive, and install all drivers from there.

I don't typically use Windows Update until AFTER all Manufacturers' drivers have been installed, BECAUSE Windows may not have the BEST driver for a particular component vs. some generic driver that may give issues.

After I install all drivers, THEN I do the Windows Update (121+ damn drivers), and keep building from there.

I'm feeling the Free Antivirus thing tho....

By the way, what Imaging software are you using? Ghost, Microsoft Image X, Acronis, or something else?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:04 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
On lookers see Johnny wrenching on his PC and say WTF.... man Buy a MAC already.


But you see, the ONLY REAL reason to buy a MAC (if you're technilogically adept), is to have more time...to say....MIX...lol.

But time IS MONEY...but it would be different if I didn't have to support a boatload of Windows users, so hey, it kills 2 birds with 1 stone...
CMOS 8:05 PM - 27 February, 2012
Acronis.


Yeah man 7 tossed a lotta "rules" out the window. They actually sign the 3rd party drivers nowdays and offer them through windows update.

Im dealing with a biometric company who makes fingerprint readers that i use for clients and they are in the process of having their device become a "windows compliant device" so that MS will kick out the driver with windows update.

Their Free antivirus rocks. I would have bet the farm it would suck, but they did a good job.
CMOS 8:07 PM - 27 February, 2012
I like acronis as they have an option called "universal restore" that will allow you to restore the drive to dissimilar hardware. Helps a lot when dealing with servers and different RAID vendors.

The universal restore portion will scan the target machine and figure out what drivers are mistmatched before installation.

Last year i did a disaster recovery drill for a client, we restored 7 servers to 100% functions in 4 hours using acronis. A file based backup would have taken days.
the_black_one 8:10 PM - 27 February, 2012
1). Nothing compares to OSX
2). When you really love making software you must make your hardware
3). Built quality
4). longevity
5). value of product for resale
6). stability
7). apple care
8). hundreds of apple stores to take computer in if needed.
9). exchange on the spot
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:10 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Acronis.

Yeah man 7 tossed a lotta "rules" out the window. They actually sign the 3rd party drivers nowdays and offer them through windows update..


They sure did!

So actually on the rebuild, I'm gonna use the Lenovo tool to get the latest drivers - and make a list.

Then I'm gonna WIPE IT and do it AGAIN, but using the method that YOU described by JUST using the Windows Update, - and make a list..

And compare the 2 and see what method is better, AND to see if I missed any damn drivers, or if it's just ORDER in which some of these get installed....i.e. Intel Chipset before Video Drivers, but MS NET Framework (MS Windows driver) before some OTHER Intel Drivers and yet before Video...

Crazy.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:12 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
I like acronis as they have an option called "universal restore" that will allow you to restore the drive to dissimilar hardware. Helps a lot when dealing with servers and different RAID vendors.

The universal restore portion will scan the target machine and figure out what drivers are mistmatched before installation.

Last year i did a disaster recovery drill for a client, we restored 7 servers to 100% functions in 4 hours using acronis. A file based backup would have taken days.


I'm feeling that! I just recently ran into issues using Ghost, and haven't had the TIME...(lol), to figure why it's not booting, as it's putting the Boot Sector in the wrong area on blank drives...

I may have to just image the PARTITIONS, vs. the DRIVE ...

***I'M DIGGIN' THE GEEK TALK!****
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:13 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
1). Nothing compares to OSX
2). When you really love making software you must make your hardware
3). Built quality
4). longevity
5). value of product for resale
6). stability
7). apple care
8). hundreds of apple stores to take computer in if needed.
9). exchange on the spot


My question refers to #9. Why are they so quick to "Exchange on the Spot"? Are most issues just non-recoverable, or do they just not want to waste your time?
the_black_one 8:28 PM - 27 February, 2012
I have had an instance where the top case of the laptop (display) was loose. They told me that they could fix it but it would have to be sent into "DEPO". I told them i needed my lappy asap because i pay bills with it and i could not leave it. The guy asked if i had about an hour or two to kill. I said yeah. He said he was just gonna exchange for a new computer but had to transfer everything over to the new one at no cost to me.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:34 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:

1). Nothing compares to OSX - I will just chalk that up to User Friendliness, and stability but that's still important.
2). When you really love making software you must make your hardware - Good Point
3). Build quality - Let's say from a Hardware perspective
4). longevity - Basically restating #3, no?
5). value of product for resale I don't buy things with expectations to sell, but that's me
6). stability This is #1 again, no?
7). apple care OK
8). hundreds of apple stores to take computer in if needed. An advantage of #7, no?
9). exchange on the spot Refers to # 7 again


So, theoretically, instead of 9 reasons, you've really listed 5....

1). Nothing compares to OSX
2). When you really love making software you must make your hardware
3). Build quality
4). value of product for resale
5). apple care
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:37 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
I have had an instance where the top case of the laptop (display) was loose. They told me that they could fix it but it would have to be sent into "DEPO". I told them i needed my lappy asap because i pay bills with it and i could not leave it. The guy asked if i had about an hour or two to kill. I said yeah. He said he was just gonna exchange for a new computer but had to transfer everything over to the new one at no cost to me.


Ok, I'm not mad at that....Great Customer Service...
the_black_one 8:41 PM - 27 February, 2012
BANG!!! customer Service is great. If you ever need to call apple care, them dudes know EVERYTHING!
CMOS 8:48 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
I like acronis as they have an option called "universal restore" that will allow you to restore the drive to dissimilar hardware. Helps a lot when dealing with servers and different RAID vendors.



The universal restore portion will scan the target machine and figure out what drivers are mistmatched before installation.



Last year i did a disaster recovery drill for a client, we restored 7 servers to 100% functions in 4 hours using acronis. A file based backup would have taken days.




I'm feeling that! I just recently ran into issues using Ghost, and haven't had the TIME...(lol), to figure why it's not booting, as it's putting the Boot Sector in the wrong area on blank drives...



I may have to just image the PARTITIONS, vs. the DRIVE ...



***I'M DIGGIN' THE GEEK TALK!****



Yup same issues i ran into. Restored fine but wouldnt boot. Acronis doesnt give a fuck whats on the drive, its just restoring blocks of data. Ive even used it on SQL databases without their SQL version and had no issues.
CMOS 8:49 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
BANG!!! customer Service is great. If you ever need to call apple care, them dudes know EVERYTHING!



Im actually suprised no other manufacturer has jumped on the Store bandwagon. If i were Dell or HP or Lenovo, id test out a walk in store.

Them apple stores stay packed.
DJ Dynamight 8:52 PM - 27 February, 2012
Macs take all of the guess work out of which button to press...there's only 1!! lol

Johnny, quiz #1: how do you right-click on Mac??
DJ Dynamight 8:53 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
BANG!!! customer Service is great. If you ever need to call apple care, them dudes know EVERYTHING!



Im actually suprised no other manufacturer has jumped on the Store bandwagon. If i were Dell or HP or Lenovo, id test out a walk in store.

Them apple stores stay packed.


Gateway did...and failed... www.usatoday.com
the_black_one 8:55 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
BANG!!! customer Service is great. If you ever need to call apple care, them dudes know EVERYTHING!



Im actually suprised no other manufacturer has jumped on the Store bandwagon. If i were Dell or HP or Lenovo, id test out a walk in store.

Them apple stores stay packed.


Gateway did...and failed... www.usatoday.com


because the software make is not the hardware maker
the_black_one 8:59 PM - 27 February, 2012
Johnny.... How far do you live by an apple store?
Dj Nyce 9:02 PM - 27 February, 2012
Johnny,

i have a mac. i like it. i also have several windows pc and i love them.

i use the win pc's (laptop/desktop) as my primary computers. i know everything there is to know about windows. i built my current desktop (i7-2600k @ 5GHZ, 16GB mem, SSD Raid, liquid cooled, etc).

the reason i bought a mac is because i fought with video-sl for 1.5 years.i tried it with a dell, sony and toshiba laptops. the shit just wouldn't perform to standard.

i finally decided to give a mac a try with a used one from ebay. it was like night and day. video-sl just worked. and then i got hooked on to MixEmergency. There was definitely no going back to PC after using ME for the first time.

For every thing else, the windows machines performed flawlessly.

And for non-serato tasks such as music production, motion graphics and visual fx, the windows machines absolutely destroy the mac.

so as a windows user who uses a mac to DJ, i would say if you are only doing audio stick with windows. if you ever intend to do video or want to buy Steve Jobs' kid a new boat, get a then get mac.
CMOS 9:06 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
because the software make is not the hardware maker



Statements like this bother me. Maybe 15 years ago this argument held water, but nowadays open up a mac and PC.

Both have:

Intel motherboards
Intel processors
Western Digital/seagate/fujitsu drives.
Standard CD players
Standard cables

So which hardware exactly is apple making nowdays besides their iphones?

They do the same as Dell, HP, and Lenovo the outsource parts and assemble them in their factory and slap a company sticker on it.
DJ Guiayo 9:24 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
I like acronis as they have an option called "universal restore" that will allow you to restore the drive to dissimilar hardware. Helps a lot when dealing with servers and different RAID vendors.

The universal restore portion will scan the target machine and figure out what drivers are mistmatched before installation.

Last year i did a disaster recovery drill for a client, we restored 7 servers to 100% functions in 4 hours using acronis. A file based backup would have taken days.

that is some sick feature there.... Acronis --> Honey Badge lol
CMOS 9:30 PM - 27 February, 2012
If you wanna read more about it here ya are:

kb.acronis.com
sixxx 9:30 PM - 27 February, 2012
"5). value of product for resale"

To me, that's another SOLID reason.

nm
CMOS 9:33 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
CMOS 4:30 PM 27 February 2012

If you wanna read more about it here ya are:

kb.acronis.com


Its a bit expensive, but if your server dies 4 years down the road and all you have if a backup, what are the odds that the manufacturer will even make that model anymore, with all the same model parts.
CMOS 9:36 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
"5). value of product for resale"



To me, that's another SOLID reason.



nm



This is another difference ive noticed between windows and Mac users that ive seen. Mac users tend to sell their machines and go buy the shiny new nexlevellness as soon as it comes out. Pc users tend to run their machines until it physically doesnt work any more.

I cant remember the last time ive heard a PC guy sell his machine to buy a new one. Its usually "that old thing finally died so im getting a new one".
jpg32123 9:37 PM - 27 February, 2012
Johnny

Quote:
But time IS MONEY...but it would be different if I didn't have to support a boatload of Windows users, so hey, it kills 2 birds with 1 stone...


This is exactly what I meant with my

shade tree mechanic with a hot rod VS new BMW driver analogy

If someone can live in a serato/ME, ableton, photoshop, final cut pro environment then Mac is a fine choice.

But you can check out the gearslutz recording forum and and see all of the headaches found when trying to run a PC DAW on a Mac. Likewise realtime highend PC engineering programs, games, etc run like crap on a Mac compared to a PC.


Quote:
then i got hooked on to MixEmergency. There was definitely no going back to PC after using ME for the first time.

For every thing else, the windows machines performed flawlessly.

And for non-serato tasks such as music production, motion graphics and visual fx, the windows machines absolutely destroy the mac.


^^^^ this sums it up

Have you had a chance to run DPC latency checker Yet?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:15 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Johnny.... How far do you live by an apple store?


I'm sure there's one in downtown Newark....

Then again....
the_black_one 10:32 PM - 27 February, 2012
So you can take that bad boy in at anytime
sixxx 10:48 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
"5). value of product for resale"



To me, that's another SOLID reason.



nm



This is another difference ive noticed between windows and Mac users that ive seen. Mac users tend to sell their machines and go buy the shiny new nexlevellness as soon as it comes out. Pc users tend to run their machines until it physically doesnt work any more.

I cant remember the last time ive heard a PC guy sell his machine to buy a new one. Its usually "that old thing finally died so im getting a new one".


Correct. I think it's safe to say Macs are bought by people who can afford them and PC's are bought by people who are money-limited. I don't think people buy PC's cause they think they can accomplish more. I think they buy them cause that's all they can afford.

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:48 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Johnny,

i have a mac. i like it. i also have several windows pc and i love them.

i use the win pc's (laptop/desktop) as my primary computers. i know everything there is to know about windows. i built my current desktop (i7-2600k @ 5GHZ, 16GB mem, SSD Raid, liquid cooled, etc).

the reason i bought a mac is because i fought with video-sl for 1.5 years.i tried it with a dell, sony and toshiba laptops. the shit just wouldn't perform to standard.

i finally decided to give a mac a try with a used one from ebay. it was like night and day. video-sl just worked. and then i got hooked on to MixEmergency. There was definitely no going back to PC after using ME for the first time.

For every thing else, the windows machines performed flawlessly.

And for non-serato tasks such as music production, motion graphics and visual fx, the windows machines absolutely destroy the mac.

so as a windows user who uses a mac to DJ, i would say if you are only doing audio stick with windows. if you ever intend to do video or want to buy Steve Jobs' kid a new boat, get a then get mac.


BOOM!

There it is.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:49 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
"5). value of product for resale"

To me, that's another SOLID reason.

nm


Ok, for ME, I like to buy a product and think I'm gonna use it till the wheels fall off...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:50 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Pc users tend to run their machines until it physically doesnt work any more.

I cant remember the last time ive heard a PC guy sell his machine to buy a new one. Its usually "that old thing finally died so im getting a new one".


This is ME.
DJ'Que 10:51 PM - 27 February, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
JM im curious, what driver issues did you have on Win7? I havent had to install ANY drivers to get systems working with 7. Windows update usually picks up all the hardware and installs as necessary. Even 3rd party video drivers come through on windows update nowdays.

THe only time ive had to muck around with drivers on win7 was upgrading an older laptop, i had to grab a driver for the volume/shortcut buttons above the keyboard to work.


***COMMENCING GEEK TALK!!! I LOVE IT****

The PCI and some other Simple PCI Component didn't register in the device manager.

It eventually updated via Windows Update, and I have to check to see if they have a Service Pack slipstreamed in the media that I'm using.

I'm going to wipe it out again and reinstall from the door, manually update the Ethernet Driver, download that Lenovo Solution Center automatic updater, and see what drivers it installs from the ground up.

It's crazy because I used the same drivers (except WIN7 versions) on this build when I built the XP version, and all device drivers were compensated for.

The only difference was that there's some STMicro TPM driver that I had to manually install in XP, but is native in WIN7.

I'm gonna take a second look at how it discovers the Wireless LAN card tho, I think that may have something to do with it.

Stay tuned.

****TERMINATING GEEK TALK***
All This Work You Could Be Getting Paid For On Someone Else Time. And Using It To Buy That Mac.

$85 HR Service Charge Your On What 3 day & 24hrs. That Would Be A New Mac For Me. What I would Be Fixing There PC For.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:53 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Have you had a chance to run DPC latency checker Yet?


Not yet, I still need to figure out the device discrepencies, and come up with a final workflow, then solid desktop, and load all the app on it that I'll be using in the real world.

No sense running the latency checker w/out the machine being fully loaded...right?
sixxx 10:53 PM - 27 February, 2012
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"5). value of product for resale"

To me, that's another SOLID reason.

nm


Ok, for ME, I like to buy a product and think I'm gonna use it till the wheels fall off...


Same here.. that's why I still had my iBook until last year.. and I got it in 2004!!! and nothing was wrong with it...


and I still had a few buyers fighting for it when I put it up for sale. hahaha

nm
sixxx 10:54 PM - 27 February, 2012
Also, my macbook that I bought off craigslist for $500 in 2007.... I sold that bitch last year for $400. Yup. Can you believe that? Again, I had a bunch of buyers fighting to get it. nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:56 PM - 27 February, 2012
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So you can take that bad boy in at anytime


But my PROBLEM with that is, WHY? Is there an issue that I most likely CAN'T fix?

Up until now, I can fix any and everything wrong with a PC, and am wondering if MAC are just not designed like that,

OR

Are they just cutting through the BS, and replacing them quickly to keep the customer happy.

You have to understand, it's in my NATURE to need to know what's ticking under the hood.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:01 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Correct. I think it's safe to say Macs are bought by people who can afford them and PC's are bought by people who are money-limited. I don't think people buy PC's cause they think they can accomplish more. I think they buy them cause that's all they can afford.

nm


I wouldn't say that...

I'd say that PC buyers are ones who say, "Well, WHAT can a MAC do for 1500 bucks MORE than this PC over here can do?", - Which is the EXACT PREMISE of this thread, and as you can see, the MAIN concern is a level of CONVENIENCE of plug and play and asthetics...

Plus I think MACS are the new "Gadgets" along the lines of iDevice things...

iPhone, iPads, iPods, are all Apple related, so why not?

EXCELLENT Business Model...

It's "Cool" to own a MAC...

Microsoft used to do the same thing, with Internet Explorer/Windows Media this and that...and forcing PC makers to implement things a certain way...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:03 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Also, my macbook that I bought off craigslist for $500 in 2007.... I sold that bitch last year for $400. Yup. Can you believe that? Again, I had a bunch of buyers fighting to get it. nm


So WHAT made you want to upgrade?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:04 PM - 27 February, 2012
See, there are folks who like to LEASE CARS, and those who choose to OWN...

I think the same principle applies to MAC owners who like to constantly swap out...
sixxx 11:07 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Also, my macbook that I bought off craigslist for $500 in 2007.... I sold that bitch last year for $400. Yup. Can you believe that? Again, I had a bunch of buyers fighting to get it. nm


So WHAT made you want to upgrade?


We went through that....

The iBook to Macbook because I wanted to do video.

The Macbook to Macbook Pro Quad Core because Serato added a lot of useless features (to me) that made the program hard to "handle" by such an old mac that barely met the minimum requires for video to begin with.

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:09 PM - 27 February, 2012
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All This Work You Could Be Getting Paid For On Someone Else Time. And Using It To Buy That Mac.

$85 HR Service Charge Your On What 3 day & 24hrs. That Would Be A New Mac For Me. What I would Be Fixing There PC For.


But you have to understand...

THIS
IS
WHAT
I
DO.

I don't expect the average user to get all excited and whatnot about finding that elusive driver and BOOM, now everything is as it should be...

But that's how TECH HEADS are...This is why cats PAY US the 86 - 200 BUCKS an HOURS because they don't have time to figure stuff out.

Have you checked out GEEKS SQUADS'S prices lately?

Man, I can charge HALF of what they do, and STILL make a killing...( I normally charge 75% tho...lol), but yeah, MOST of those users are Windows Users...ha ha...

I wonder what their MAC turnaround is..

Wait, I guess someone with a MAC ain't walkin' into a Geek Squad spot, vs. Applecare, huh?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:09 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Also, my macbook that I bought off craigslist for $500 in 2007.... I sold that bitch last year for $400. Yup. Can you believe that? Again, I had a bunch of buyers fighting to get it. nm


So WHAT made you want to upgrade?


We went through that....

The iBook to Macbook because I wanted to do video.

The Macbook to Macbook Pro Quad Core because Serato added a lot of useless features (to me) that made the program hard to "handle" by such an old mac that barely met the minimum requires for video to begin with.

nm


Ok, gotchu.
sixxx 11:09 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Correct. I think it's safe to say Macs are bought by people who can afford them and PC's are bought by people who are money-limited. I don't think people buy PC's cause they think they can accomplish more. I think they buy them cause that's all they can afford.

nm


I wouldn't say that...

I'd say that PC buyers are ones who say, "Well, WHAT can a MAC do for 1500 bucks MORE than this PC over here can do?", - Which is the EXACT PREMISE of this thread, and as you can see, the MAIN concern is a level of CONVENIENCE of plug and play and asthetics...


Negative. I think that's how YOU look at it. But, most people are concerned with price more than anything else. This is why cheap PC's are sold at Walmart.

If more PC users realized that it isn't just a price factor. I bet you anything, they would convert to mac just for the ease of use and the lack of problems. And, you know what I mean by problems. Problems they can't solve because they don't know enough. nm
sixxx 11:11 PM - 27 February, 2012
... and btw, the proof is the fact that many PC users switch to Mac and love it. Many abandoning PC's altogether. Not the other way around. nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:15 PM - 27 February, 2012
I'm not saying price ISN'T a factor, but most people are introduced to MAC by someone ELSE who has one and convinces them that it's great..

Or they're going into a Graphics field or something.

As a matter of fact, MACs are so cost prohibitive that my stepdaughers graphic art's class has ONE MAC, and the rest PC's, cuz they can't afford additional MAC...

Again, from a Technical perspective, PC's and MACs are similar...

The MAC OS comes at a premium, but SOME people are obviously willing to pay for that convenience.
jpg32123 11:18 PM - 27 February, 2012
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I think it's safe to say Macs are bought by people who can afford them and PC's are bought by people who are money-limited. I don't think people buy PC's cause they think they can accomplish more. I think they buy them cause that's all they can afford.


This is just not true in the real world of advanced PC users. There are tons of highend realtime PC only programs that run like crap when put on a Mac.

If you are a casual user.....or only need serato/ME, ableton, Photoshop, FCP, or Logic then Macs make a better choice and those that buy PC's ARE cheaping out.

But for my kinda of bridezilla MOBILE gigs out in the boonies, I'd rather bring two $600 windows rigs than one $1200 Mac. Redundancy is better than " Macs just work"
sixxx 11:51 PM - 27 February, 2012
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I'm not saying price ISN'T a factor, but most people are introduced to MAC by someone ELSE who has one and convinces them that it's great..

Or they're going into a Graphics field or something.

As a matter of fact, MACs are so cost prohibitive that my stepdaughers graphic art's class has ONE MAC, and the rest PC's, cuz they can't afford additional MAC...

Again, from a Technical perspective, PC's and MACs are similar...

The MAC OS comes at a premium, but SOME people are obviously willing to pay for that convenience.


My niece's graphic art's class has nothing but Macs. What school does your stepdaughter go to... Walmart School of Graphic Design? :P

lol
sixxx 11:51 PM - 27 February, 2012
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I think it's safe to say Macs are bought by people who can afford them and PC's are bought by people who are money-limited. I don't think people buy PC's cause they think they can accomplish more. I think they buy them cause that's all they can afford.


This is just not true in the real world of advanced PC users.


Stop right there. "Advanced" PC users. You must learn to follow the conversation if you want to be a part of it.

nm
jpg32123 12:15 AM - 28 February, 2012
No disrespect sixxx,

But this thread has been intermediate (myself included) and advanced Windows users sharing their experiences on the latest things Windows and PC to Johnny (an old school IT guy)

Followed by less experienced computer users proclaiming the awesomeness of MAC.
sixxx 12:28 AM - 28 February, 2012
I believe the title of the thread is SOLID reasons to get a Mac.

Not, solid reasons to keep using a PC.

nm
sixxx 12:32 AM - 28 February, 2012
Oh, and you forgot those who were experienced PC users who switched to Macs. They're also in this thread. nm
Joee 12:32 AM - 28 February, 2012
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I believe the title of the thread is SOLID reasons to get a Mac.

Not, solid reasons to keep using a PC.

nm

they just don't know, & they never will, till they live with a mac for a while , my pc is a paperweight since i got my mac a few years back

there is a reason apple stock is $520 a share
dj_craigmac 12:33 AM - 28 February, 2012
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No disrespect sixxx,

But this thread has been intermediate (myself included) and advanced Windows users sharing their experiences on the latest things Windows and PC to Johnny (an old school IT guy)

Followed by less experienced computer users proclaiming the awesomeness of MAC.





That sounds ELITEST and snobbish. JM asked Mac users to chime in and give him solid reasons ect... Then u come in all high and mighty tellin mac users that aren't on yours and Johnny's level of pc IT to basically butt out. LOL wow
sixxx 12:38 AM - 28 February, 2012
Yup. I'm just trying to stay on topic and list solid reasons. :)

nm
deezlee 12:47 AM - 28 February, 2012
johnny don't get a mac.
you would hate it.

no "under the hood".
for example to uninstall a program, you just throw away the icon.
Joee 12:56 AM - 28 February, 2012
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johnny don't get a mac.
you would hate it.

no "under the hood".
for example to uninstall a program, you just throw away the icon.

damm it's been so long since i had to run a stupid uninstall program, i forgot all about that

man i do not miss it, love that all i have to do is drag the icon to the trash, than empty the trash can, w-a-l-a done

johnny do yourself a favor empty your trash, get yourself a mac......you will never look back
Dj Nyce 1:00 AM - 28 February, 2012
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johnny don't get a mac.
you would hate it.

no "under the hood".
for example to uninstall a program, you just throw away the icon.

damm it's been so long since i had to run a stupid uninstall program, i forgot all about that

man i do not miss it, love that all i have to do is drag the icon to the trash, than empty the trash can, w-a-l-a done

johnny do yourself a favor empty your trash, get yourself a mac......you will never look back


quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:43 AM - 28 February, 2012
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I'm not saying price ISN'T a factor, but most people are introduced to MAC by someone ELSE who has one and convinces them that it's great..

Or they're going into a Graphics field or something.

As a matter of fact, MACs are so cost prohibitive that my stepdaughers graphic art's class has ONE MAC, and the rest PC's, cuz they can't afford additional MAC...

Again, from a Technical perspective, PC's and MACs are similar...

The MAC OS comes at a premium, but SOME people are obviously willing to pay for that convenience.


My niece's graphic art's class has nothing but Macs. What school does your stepdaughter go to... Walmart School of Graphic Design? :P

lol


She's still in High School, and the school is one of the better ones in NJ....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:58 AM - 28 February, 2012
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No disrespect sixxx,

But this thread has been intermediate (myself included) and advanced Windows users sharing their experiences on the latest things Windows and PC to Johnny (an old school IT guy)

Followed by less experienced computer users proclaiming the awesomeness of MAC.


That sounds ELITEST and snobbish. JM asked Mac users to chime in and give him solid reasons ect... Then u come in all high and mighty tellin mac users that aren't on yours and Johnny's level of pc IT to basically butt out. LOL wow


I actually wanted PC USERS who switched to MAC to give me SOLID reasons why they switched, and I've gotten quite a few different perspectives, but they all seem to boil down to -

MAC users who've always been MAC users will say GET A MAC, they don't know both sides.

Those who aren't REALLY technically savvy (in PC OR MAC) will say GET A MAC.

Those EX-PC USERS that are not really savvy will say GET A MAC.

Those into Graphics or Video will say GET A MAC.

On the flip -

Those that are PC SAVVY will generally say you don't NEED a MAC.

Those who are PC SAVVY and happen to have some LOOT, or a good deal comes along will TRY A MAC, and depending on their needs, will either keep a WINDOWS PC around for stuff, and a MAC for other things.

Some SAVVY PC users MAY get introduced to a MAC, and may never turn back.

Mostly everybody falls into one of those categories...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:02 AM - 28 February, 2012
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I think it's safe to say Macs are bought by people who can afford them and PC's are bought by people who are money-limited. I don't think people buy PC's cause they think they can accomplish more. I think they buy them cause that's all they can afford.


This is just not true in the real world of advanced PC users.


Stop right there. "Advanced" PC users. You must learn to follow the conversation if you want to be a part of it.

nm


To his credit, we DID touch on a higher level of Geekness with respect to the conversation of WINDOWS, so I can see where he's coming from, and I do feel like there was a certain section where we 'were" talking about some advanced topics, and I know SOME cats were like "WTF is all this gibberish, just BUY A MAC"...lol...

But that's what makes the Technically Savvy PC users laugh, and say - Ok, go spend that money...

But the other side will argue that the money is WELL SPENT depending on your priorities...be it TIME, MONEY, LEARNING A NEW TECHNOLOGY, DJ'ing, DJ'ing with VIDEO, etc...etc...

For the most part, y'all are pretty consistant...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:03 AM - 28 February, 2012
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johnny don't get a mac.
you would hate it.

no "under the hood".
for example to uninstall a program, you just throw away the icon.


I can't imagine that...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:03 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:08 AM - 28 February, 2012
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johnny don't get a mac.
you would hate it.

no "under the hood".
for example to uninstall a program, you just throw away the icon.

damm it's been so long since i had to run a stupid uninstall program, i forgot all about that

man i do not miss it, love that all i have to do is drag the icon to the trash, than empty the trash can, w-a-l-a done

johnny do yourself a favor empty your trash, get yourself a mac......you will never look back


See, here's the thing...I'm NOT necessarily LOOKING for simplicity, I'm looking for, say a BUFFER of "1", or something that will justify me spending 1500 bucks more than I normally would on a PC/Laptop of comparable hardware...

The biggest proponent thus far of that 1500 bucks is TIME SAVED...and slightly better performance...which to a TECH HEAD, can be of a certain priority vs. an "Average User/DJ", who will place a GREATER weight on that as a priority.
Joee 2:11 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

man, johnny i'm gonna give you a mac.........................







































i'm gonna beat you over the head with my 15inch macbook pro............lol , decide already if your gonna get one or not
Joee 2:13 AM - 28 February, 2012
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johnny don't get a mac.
you would hate it.

no "under the hood".
for example to uninstall a program, you just throw away the icon.

damm it's been so long since i had to run a stupid uninstall program, i forgot all about that

man i do not miss it, love that all i have to do is drag the icon to the trash, than empty the trash can, w-a-l-a done

johnny do yourself a favor empty your trash, get yourself a mac......you will never look back


See, here's the thing...I'm NOT necessarily LOOKING for simplicity, I'm looking for, say a BUFFER of "1", or something that will justify me spending 1500 bucks more than I normally would on a PC/Laptop of comparable hardware...

The biggest proponent thus far of that 1500 bucks is TIME SAVED...and slightly better performance...which to a TECH HEAD, can be of a certain priority vs. an "Average User/DJ", who will place a GREATER weight on that as a priority.

$1,500 buck more? you can get a refurb 15inch macbook pro i7 quad core 2.2 ghz for $1,500
Joee 2:15 AM - 28 February, 2012
read that wrong i thought you said you would spend $1,500 more than you would on a pc ignore last post
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:19 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

man, johnny i'm gonna give you a mac.........................

i'm gonna beat you over the head with my 15inch macbook pro............lol , decide already if your gonna get one or not


This whole thing came up because my new Thinkpad 410 loaded with XP was not working well at all with Scratchlive 1.9.2. Video card/device driver issue.

So, it was recommended that I install Win7 to alleviate the problem.

Me being skeptical thinking a newer OS would not solve that issue, said to myself, "Well, if I have to spend money (either on Windows 7 or a new laptop with a different video card), I should put it out there to see WHY MACS are so "Great", and thus this thread was born.

I have since acquired a copy of Windows 7, and am testing, so I don't need to go down the MAC path just yet. I have enough feedback to make an educated purchase, and not expect some earth shattering performance improvements...but know moreso that I'll have less maintenance issues down the road...

This thread delivers.
DJ Bouj 2:21 AM - 28 February, 2012
imgur.com

**slowly backs away**
Joee 2:28 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

man, johnny i'm gonna give you a mac.........................

i'm gonna beat you over the head with my 15inch macbook pro............lol , decide already if your gonna get one or not


This whole thing came up because my new Thinkpad 410 loaded with XP was not working well at all with Scratchlive 1.9.2. Video card/device driver issue.

So, it was recommended that I install Win7 to alleviate the problem.

Me being skeptical thinking a newer OS would not solve that issue, said to myself, "Well, if I have to spend money (either on Windows 7 or a new laptop with a different video card), I should put it out there to see WHY MACS are so "Great", and thus this thread was born.

I have since acquired a copy of Windows 7, and am testing, so I don't need to go down the MAC path just yet. I have enough feedback to make an educated purchase, and not expect some earth shattering performance improvements...but know moreso that I'll have less maintenance issues down the road...

This thread delivers.

you don't know anyone that uses a mac? maybe let you hold it for a few days?.......you will than have all the answers you need
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:29 AM - 28 February, 2012
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Followed by less experienced computer users proclaiming the awesomeness of MAC.


I can't front, that IS a funny line..
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imgur.com

**slowly backs away**


LOL...Stop it!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:32 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

man, johnny i'm gonna give you a mac.........................

i'm gonna beat you over the head with my 15inch macbook pro............lol , decide already if your gonna get one or not


This whole thing came up because my new Thinkpad 410 loaded with XP was not working well at all with Scratchlive 1.9.2. Video card/device driver issue.

So, it was recommended that I install Win7 to alleviate the problem.

Me being skeptical thinking a newer OS would not solve that issue, said to myself, "Well, if I have to spend money (either on Windows 7 or a new laptop with a different video card), I should put it out there to see WHY MACS are so "Great", and thus this thread was born.

I have since acquired a copy of Windows 7, and am testing, so I don't need to go down the MAC path just yet. I have enough feedback to make an educated purchase, and not expect some earth shattering performance improvements...but know moreso that I'll have less maintenance issues down the road...

This thread delivers.

you don't know anyone that uses a mac? maybe let you hold it for a few days?.......you will than have all the answers you need


Truthfully, no. Not anybody that's relatively close...

I've got 2 DJ friends that do, but I wouldn't ask them to borrow it...

And they TOO fall into the category of Not so savvy users - Who'd say GET A MAC.
Joee 2:35 AM - 28 February, 2012
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Followed by less experienced computer users proclaiming the awesomeness of MAC.


I can't front, that IS a funny line..
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imgur.com

**slowly backs away**


LOL...Stop it!


microsoft stock--> www.google.com
apple stock------> www.google.com
Joee 2:54 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

man, johnny i'm gonna give you a mac.........................

i'm gonna beat you over the head with my 15inch macbook pro............lol , decide already if your gonna get one or not

i'm pretty sure that if you buy a mac here & want to return it you can-----> store.apple.com
This whole thing came up because my new Thinkpad 410 loaded with XP was not working well at all with Scratchlive 1.9.2. Video card/device driver issue.

So, it was recommended that I install Win7 to alleviate the problem.

Me being skeptical thinking a newer OS would not solve that issue, said to myself, "Well, if I have to spend money (either on Windows 7 or a new laptop with a different video card), I should put it out there to see WHY MACS are so "Great", and thus this thread was born.

I have since acquired a copy of Windows 7, and am testing, so I don't need to go down the MAC path just yet. I have enough feedback to make an educated purchase, and not expect some earth shattering performance improvements...but know moreso that I'll have less maintenance issues down the road...

This thread delivers.

you don't know anyone that uses a mac? maybe let you hold it for a few days?.......you will than have all the answers you need


Truthfully, no. Not anybody that's relatively close...

I've got 2 DJ friends that do, but I wouldn't ask them to borrow it...

And they TOO fall into the category of Not so savvy users - Who'd say GET A MAC.
Joee 2:55 AM - 28 February, 2012
sorry quote fail

i'm pretty sure that if you buy a mac here & want to return it you can-----> store.apple.com
Joee 2:56 AM - 28 February, 2012
damMM------> store.apple.com
L2daGee 3:15 AM - 28 February, 2012
Mac OSX is the best operating system I have ever used. With that being said, my MacBook Pro is the best Windows PC I have ever used.
Joee 3:21 AM - 28 February, 2012
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Mac OSX is the best operating system I have ever used. With that being said, my MacBook Pro is the best Windows PC I have ever used.

it is said that macs make better pc's than pc's........

when you install windows & osx on a mac, what is it called? dual boot or something....again yet more proof a mac is better
DeezNotes 4:07 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

Most apps just leave behind a .pref file. That's a lot cleaner than registry entries. I'm not arguing one being better than the other, just what I feel is a better solution. Of course, not all programs leave that. I think Office puts a bunch of files all over the place... not sure. Either way, it's just a collection of files that can be deleted rather than registry entries buried in various hives in UID codes.

I had a friend who had SSL crash every time he opened it. He created a new profile and it worked fine. Turned out he had to delete the Serato .pref file and it was the equivalent to reinstalling SSL. I like how some things can be isolated to one user profile on OS X.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:05 AM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

Most apps just leave behind a .pref file. That's a lot cleaner than registry entries. I'm not arguing one being better than the other, just what I feel is a better solution. Of course, not all programs leave that. I think Office puts a bunch of files all over the place... not sure. Either way, it's just a collection of files that can be deleted rather than registry entries buried in various hives in UID codes.

I had a friend who had SSL crash every time he opened it. He created a new profile and it worked fine. Turned out he had to delete the Serato .pref file and it was the equivalent to reinstalling SSL. I like how some things can be isolated to one user profile on OS X.


Ok, so what's the difference of a WINDOWS user using, say Outlook or Word, and it keep crashing, but you delete their profile, recreate another one, and they're good...

Didn't have to reinstall Office or anything...

Am I missing something?

I could see if the "Default" user profile got corrupted, or the "Current User" hive or something like that...then we're talking some major issues...
jpg32123 6:54 AM - 28 February, 2012
This is what gets me....


Quote:
microsoft stock--> www.google.com
apple stock------> www.google.com


because I remember when things were just the opposite and everyone had written off apple as DEAD in the water. Apple makes the "Lion's" share of its profits by convincing customers to pay $600-800 dollars every couple of years on a new IPHONE (that cost apple around $200 to produce) through carrier subsidized plans.

With the rumors of apple letting their macpro desktop line cease and what they have done to final cut pro its easy to see the writing on the wall. IOS, Itunes, and the app store is where their future lies. Focusing on computers and professionals won't seem that profitable to the stockholders. Remember what apple was like after Steve Jobs left the first time.
L2daGee 8:07 AM - 28 February, 2012
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Mac OSX is the best operating system I have ever used. With that being said, my MacBook Pro is the best Windows PC I have ever used.

it is said that macs make better pc's than pc's........

when you install windows & osx on a mac, what is it called? dual boot or something....again yet more proof a mac is better


Boot Camp enables the installation of Windows on a Mac. I use it for gaming only. Everything else is strictly on OSX Lion.
Dj Nyce 12:17 PM - 28 February, 2012
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Mac OSX is the best operating system I have ever used. With that being said, my MacBook Pro is the best Windows PC I have ever used.

it is said that macs make better pc's than pc's........

when you install windows & osx on a mac, what is it called? dual boot or something....again yet more proof a mac is better


windows 7 on mac is not better than windows 7 on dell or any other windows pc. windows 7 on a mac requires virtualization and is not native.

but the simple fact that a mac user wants or needs to put windows on their mac says a lot about microsoft.
pdidy 12:49 PM - 28 February, 2012
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DeezNotes 1:09 PM - 28 February, 2012
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it is said that macs make better pc's than pc's........

when you install windows & osx on a mac, what is it called? dual boot or something....again yet more proof a mac is better


windows 7 on mac is not better than windows 7 on dell or any other windows pc. windows 7 on a mac requires virtualization and is not native.

but the simple fact that a mac user wants or needs to put windows on their mac says a lot about microsoft.

That's not entirely true. Yes you can run Windows on a Mac as a VM. However, you can also dual boot an Intel Mac to Windows natively. Boot Camp which is provided in OS X is a utility that allows you to easily (and I do mean EASILY) partition your hard drive to allow dual booting into another OS. Apple also provides Windows drivers on the OS X install DVD.

That also says a lot about Apple as well.

I believe in early Windows 7 testing, benchmarks proved that Windows 7 ran better than the average PC on a Mac. I'm not sure if that's still the case, but it still works very well. Running a Windows 7 VM on a Mac is more convenient but doesn't yield the same results as running the OS natively. That is typical of virtualized systems.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:15 PM - 28 February, 2012
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LOL...Stop it!


microsoft stock--> www.google.com
apple stock------> www.google.com


Ha ha... I can assure you that Apple's recent rise to the top had JACK to do with MAC sales....
DeezNotes 1:16 PM - 28 February, 2012
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quite a few mac apps leave remnants when the app is just dragged to the trash can. that is why high end osx apps actually have an uninstaller.


Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

Most apps just leave behind a .pref file. That's a lot cleaner than registry entries. I'm not arguing one being better than the other, just what I feel is a better solution. Of course, not all programs leave that. I think Office puts a bunch of files all over the place... not sure. Either way, it's just a collection of files that can be deleted rather than registry entries buried in various hives in UID codes.

I had a friend who had SSL crash every time he opened it. He created a new profile and it worked fine. Turned out he had to delete the Serato .pref file and it was the equivalent to reinstalling SSL. I like how some things can be isolated to one user profile on OS X.


Ok, so what's the difference of a WINDOWS user using, say Outlook or Word, and it keep crashing, but you delete their profile, recreate another one, and they're good...

Didn't have to reinstall Office or anything...

Am I missing something?

I could see if the "Default" user profile got corrupted, or the "Current User" hive or something like that...then we're talking some major issues...

I'm taking about a user profile, not something like an Outlook profile. The difference is if the application itself had issues, in some cases it can be isolated to just that user and not the entire system itself. Ever install an app and had the OS blue screen or had issues where you had to restore the system to an earlier point die to registry corruption? That's something most Mac users don't have to deal with. Most issues are isolated and can be remedied by trashing the .app (think of it as the application folder in Program Files but packaged to the user as a friendly icon) or by trashing the preference file.
DJJiga 1:23 PM - 28 February, 2012
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I want specific FACTS...

Like do they NOT have USB Dropouts or something?

Let a brova know....

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Okay so at the moment I am also using a PC however its practically got the same spec as a Macbook Pro, however I WILL suggest getting a Mac because the hardware and software are made for each other and tend to work a lot better together for this reason, if you buy a windows PC laptop with the best spec possible and the best version of the OS, yeah maybe it will work as good as a mac but it will prob cost more. Mac's have become like the Technic 1210's so all third party hardware and accessories that is released also tends to be designed with the thought that the user has a Mac, serato keyboard sticker layouts for example. Nonetheless, never spend loads of money if you don't need to, my PC is great and cheaper but perhaps when it starts getting outdated I will definately consider purchasing a Mac.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:27 PM - 28 February, 2012
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Ok, this is what I'm thinking....

Most apps just leave behind a .pref file. That's a lot cleaner than registry entries. I'm not arguing one being better than the other, just what I feel is a better solution. Of course, not all programs leave that. I think Office puts a bunch of files all over the place... not sure. Either way, it's just a collection of files that can be deleted rather than registry entries buried in various hives in UID codes.

I had a friend who had SSL crash every time he opened it. He created a new profile and it worked fine. Turned out he had to delete the Serato .pref file and it was the equivalent to reinstalling SSL. I like how some things can be isolated to one user profile on OS X.


Ok, so what's the difference of a WINDOWS user using, say Outlook or Word, and it keep crashing, but you delete their profile, recreate another one, and they're good...

Didn't have to reinstall Office or anything...

Am I missing something?

I could see if the "Default" user profile got corrupted, or the "Current User" hive or something like that...then we're talking some major issues...

I'm taking about a user profile, not something like an Outlook profile. The difference is if the application itself had issues, in some cases it can be isolated to just that user and not the entire system itself. Ever install an app and had the OS blue screen or had issues where you had to restore the system to an earlier point die to registry corruption? That's something most Mac users don't have to deal with. Most issues are isolated and can be remedied by trashing the .app (think of it as the application folder in Program Files but packaged to the user as a friendly icon) or by trashing the preference file.


I should have been clearer and not made mention of the Outlook side of things because I did TRULY mean the user's profile ON THE BOX, not his Outlook profile, (that's why I mentioned Word in the same breath), but I get what you're saying.

Applications installed on a MAC don't necessarily invade the entire OS but can almost work in a "vacuum", and can be removed almost in it's entirety without affecting other programs or the OS in general.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:34 PM - 28 February, 2012
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You sure? lol, I'm assuming you didn't read all the replies in this thread, but if you're saying that if you match up a laptop vs. a MAC with the same specs...THE LAPTOP WILL COST MORE....you're out of touch mayne...lol.

OR are you saying a PC Laptop with the BEST spec possible againt ANY OLD MAC, will probably cost more than the MAC...well, I guess it depends on the specs of the OLD MAC.

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^^^lol, now you just makin' up *ish...

I say that because, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Serato/Rane has made NO CLEAR, NOR HINT, of what hardware type (PC vs. MAC), is preferred with respect to running their software...NONE.

You see how they endorse Shure...right?

That's also what made me wonder if there IS no clear winner, (except for video)...
DeezNotes 1:34 PM - 28 February, 2012
For the most part, yeah. I'm sure not all Mac programs work that way though. Some have full installers and some just require you to copy the .app package to the /Applications folder.

Its still a computer, so things can get as complicated as you intend to make it. Think about how sharp your Unix/Linux is in comparison to Windows. You do have the option to ignore all that complicated shit and focus on other things though. That's what I like.
DeezNotes 1:38 PM - 28 February, 2012
This discussion can go on forever. Macs are nice and OS X is also nice. There is no amount of discussion that can convince you one way or another. You just have to use it for ~3 months and see what you think for yourself. It took you forever to get an SL3.. I recommend Macs as a personal preference. Get a used one like Sixxx did and try it out.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:29 PM - 28 February, 2012
If johnny gets a mac imma be pissed thats NOT what the social security system is there for
Joee 3:37 PM - 28 February, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:31 PM - 28 February, 2012
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What do you mean it took me forever to get an SL3, I had one within a month of it being released...lol.

Same with the T56s....

Maybe you mean it took me a long time to switch over to SERATO PERIOD...lol.
jpg32123 10:39 PM - 28 February, 2012
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Yes you can run Windows on a Mac as a VM. However, you can also dual boot an Intel Mac to Windows natively. Boot Camp which is provided in OS X is a utility that allows you to easily (and I do mean EASILY) partition your hard drive to allow dual booting into another OS.


However if you read the hidden costs of windows on a mac article found here
www.zdnet.com

You will find the driver and performance issues found when running a SSD's in bootcamp. You will also experience HIGH heat and shorter battery life when trying to push the limits of the hardware.

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This is only true if you just walk into a bestbuy and pick a random pc vs a mac, on more expensive systems the PC will run windows better and likewise trying to "hackintosh" your PC to run OSX won't be as good as just buying a MAC.

I just don't like how the PC VS Mac debate has been portrayed

Find the cheapest PC and compare to a MAC
Compare XP( 10 years old) or Vista and compare to OSX
Yes in these comparisons mac should be slicker, stable, and more secure

But compare a recent I-Core Intel machine of $600 dollars(or more) running 64-bit WIN 7 and things start to GREY as to what is a clear winner for each individuals needs. However this isn't the comparison that people cite in the PC vs MAC debate, but is actually relevant for TODAY.
DJ Tecniq 11:02 PM - 28 February, 2012
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I was on windows before I ever went mac. I hated the macintosh in highschool. When I got a mac everything became 10x easier. Virus/Spyware free and I never had to buy software lol..enjoy your pc bro
DJ Tecniq 11:12 PM - 28 February, 2012
I rock a Mac and the rest of my dj friends rock Pc's...Do you know what they tell me? "They want a Mac" - end of thread (Almost everyone on this forum has contributed to your post why don't you just test one out for a week, come back and post how much your obsessed with them. This post is way overdue.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:50 PM - 28 February, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:51 PM - 28 February, 2012
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This thread has served it's purpose, but however, MY INITIAL issue has been (or is going to be) resolved by Win7 Professional...

I was going to look harder at the MACs if the above didn't work out well.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:54 PM - 28 February, 2012
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Damn, this dude knows what he's talking about...Cuz my 64 Bit WIN 7 is making this Lenovo Thinkpad 410 think it can launch rocketships and I haven't even finished the config yet...

Stay tuned.
jpg32123 12:32 AM - 29 February, 2012
THanx Johhny,

Ironically.... if we were having this same debate in 2006-2009 I would be bashing Microsoft and telling you the exact opposite.

Playing devils advocate I do think the one area where Mac's get it right is with the video card drivers. This seems to be the issue that plagues many PC's as you have seen.
sixxx 1:00 AM - 29 February, 2012
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lmao!
DJ Remy USA 1:44 AM - 29 February, 2012

I swear to you, never a single problem. No drop outs, no freezing nada. I need to holla to you though bro. You are in the DC area. Im going to do buy a new hard drive for my shitty Toshiba and need a clean install. lol

Anytime bro Im in the DMV errrrday errrday errrday....lol
DJ Remy USA 1:45 AM - 29 February, 2012
^^^^quote fail..... DJ Val this was directed to you
DJ Remy USA 1:49 AM - 29 February, 2012
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Mac OSX is the best operating system I have ever used. With that being said, my MacBook Pro is the best Windows PC I have ever used.

it is said that macs make better pc's than pc's........

when you install windows & osx on a mac, what is it called? dual boot or something....again yet more proof a mac is better


windows 7 on mac is not better than windows 7 on dell or any other windows pc. windows 7 on a mac requires virtualization and is not native.

VMware get the fusion pro version bro let me tell you with that and macbook pro it runs Win XP and Win 7 like a champ. I booted my wifes Mac and got her VM up and running with internet explore open before I got my hp 8430 booted and logged into Win 7. The mac totally killed it.

When running dual environment it pays to research which company makes the best virtualization software. I do IT for a living and virtualizing shit is the future been getting my hands dirty with it these past 2 months so this is just my singular observation

but the simple fact that a mac user wants or needs to put windows on their mac says a lot about microsoft.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:21 AM - 29 February, 2012
do we really need a 500+ post thread tring to badger old man winter into making a logical purchase, hell theres only about 400 pages bitching about serato video
Rod Torres 4:14 AM - 29 February, 2012
Serato not being able to fix the audio dropout issues with SL1 on windows based laptops speaks volumes in regards to stability. This issue is 2 years old more or less. I stopped counting because I sold my Asus G73H and got a Mac. I can still run windows on my MacBook via boot camp if I need to . The other issue is that if my power adapter goes bad I can walk into any apple store and buy one. Try getting a power adapter for an Asus G73H locally
pdidy 6:03 AM - 29 February, 2012
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Serato not being able to fix the audio dropout issues with SL1 on windows based laptops speaks volumes in regards to stability. This issue is 2 years old more or less. I stopped counting because I sold my Asus G73H and got a Mac.

serato.com

Serato, Moderator
Sam 5:58 PM 17 September 2010
Since intel released the i-series processors, we have noticed several problems that have affected SL 1 and TTM 57SL users.

The new i-series chipsets come with a new USB 1.1 system which currently has problems running USB 1.1 hardware at low latency. When this problem occurs, these i-series powered machines fail to deliver audio to the Rane hardware, resulting in audible dropouts. This does not effect all users, SL 1 / TTM 57SL owners may not experience any of these problems.

Rane and Serato have been working with Apple and Microsoft to resolve the issue. Apple have acknowledged the bug and will be issuing a fix in a system update. In the meantime, Scratch Live 2.1.1 contains a fix for this problem on Mac until the official Apple bug-fix is released. We are currently working with Microsoft on a solution for Windows based computers.

We take any issues that effect the performance of Scratch Live very seriously, and have been working hard to find a solution to the problem. If you have been affected by the Intel i-series problem, please keep in touch on the Help Forum to receive progress updates on the solution for Windows computers.
Dj Bacik 6:07 AM - 29 February, 2012
To be fair Johnny I recently purchased a Dell XPS 17 inch with I7. A total "Mack Daddy" pc. It had built in subwoofers and all. It was an absolutely beautiful machine. Cost me 3200.00 total without software. I had to install office 2010 pro and an anytime upgrade to windows ultimate. I loved this machine. Absolutely loved it. Problem is while on vacation in the sticks of Georgia my laptop crashed. Windows 7 booted to a black screen every time, Unless I interrupted it and forced a safe mode boot. I never figured it out. An entire month of bliss and then one day of frustration. Luckily I was within 2 hours of the mall of Georgia so I could grab a 17" macbook pro from an apple store.

It really was a shame as I hated Vista and thought Window 7 was going to make everything better. I made the switch, got used to it, and was let down by problems. IT was saddening.

Now I'm not saying this will ever happen to you. But it happened to me. And this is why I am on a 17" macbook pro. You might not be ready to switch for years. But there will be 1 time where your tired of fixing things you feel you should't have too.

And for the record I absolutely hate the "Chicklet" keyboard on my mac. I can never type the word "They're" without hitting the ; key. But I love it better than wondering if my machine is gonna boot today.

And no, I haven't read the last 60 or so posts. Maybe when I'm on the crapper I can catch up. But for now I'm gonna stop the room from spinning by putting my foot on the floor.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:28 PM - 29 February, 2012
Ok, so you had a PC that cost 3200 bucks, and it crashed. So normally, (if you weren't on vacation), you would have contacted customer support, or something?

I'm not understanding the reason why you needed to replace the PC WHILE ON VACATION, versus waiting until you got home...

Not really PC fanboying, but just wondering....
Joee 4:27 PM - 29 February, 2012
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DCal 4:36 PM - 29 February, 2012
The only thing I need to say about Macs is this: I have a 5 year old Mac that has the same speed an reliability as it did the day that I bought it. It isn't bogged down with malware, it doesn't take three minutes to boot, and the applications launch within seconds.

I was a die hard PC user until about 10 years ago and I have never, EVER, been able to say that a PC was as reliable - even a year after I bought it. They are just too susceptible to a lot of stuff that Macs aren't. I have since converted almost everyone I know to Mac and they have all thanked me for it.

This all may change as Macs are more prevalent these days, but the headache of not having to deal with a slow computer is well worth the premium in price in my book. Moreover, the resale value is ridiculous. I recently sold a 4-year old Macbook Pro for $200 less than what I paid for it at the store. I've found the same to be true of all Apple products (sold my iPhone 4, which I bought for $300, for $560 on eBay).
SeriousCyrus 4:41 PM - 29 February, 2012
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LOL, that was me, but as OP didn't seem interested in Video, so didn't post here. But apple traditionaly has had a good relationship with creatives, and they've always been innovative in how they incorporate that to the OS.

Macs rule, if you're the kind of guy who actually enjoys tinkering around with the guts of a PC to get it working how you want and thinks an OS reinstall on a new PC is no big deal, then stick with what you got, no Mac fan is ever going to persuade you.
Dj Bacik 5:11 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Ok, so you had a PC that cost 3200 bucks, and it crashed. So normally, (if you weren't on vacation), you would have contacted customer support, or something?

I'm not understanding the reason why you needed to replace the PC WHILE ON VACATION, versus waiting until you got home...

Not really PC fanboying, but just wondering....


Because while on vacation I still work. Thems the breaks when you are in a higher up position in company. So rather than go through the whole backup, restore, reconfigure, and test again. I just ripped out the hdd, used it as an external and transferred everything back to a mac. No problems since then.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:37 PM - 29 February, 2012
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I was a die hard PC user until about 10 years ago and I have never, EVER, been able to say that a PC was as reliable - even a year after I bought it. They are just too susceptible to a lot of stuff that Macs aren't. I have since converted almost everyone I know to Mac and they have all thanked me for it.

This all may change as Macs are more prevalent these days, but the headache of not having to deal with a slow computer is well worth the premium in price in my book. Moreover, the resale value is ridiculous. I recently sold a 4-year old Macbook Pro for $200 less than what I paid for it at the store. I've found the same to be true of all Apple products (sold my iPhone 4, which I bought for $300, for $560 on eBay).


Nice perspective! Thanks.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:38 PM - 29 February, 2012
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This is how I am, HOWEVER, I'm open to new things, so I appreciate the feedback.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:40 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Ok, so you had a PC that cost 3200 bucks, and it crashed. So normally, (if you weren't on vacation), you would have contacted customer support, or something?

I'm not understanding the reason why you needed to replace the PC WHILE ON VACATION, versus waiting until you got home...

Not really PC fanboying, but just wondering....


Because while on vacation I still work. Thems the breaks when you are in a higher up position in company. So rather than go through the whole backup, restore, reconfigure, and test again. I just ripped out the hdd, used it as an external and transferred everything back to a mac. No problems since then.


I was WONDERING what the backend story was, as I know you're IT capable, so now I get it.

I'm not mad at that, but kinda in awe that you took a chance with BRAND NEW OS and platform while out in the field...or away from home.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:42 PM - 29 February, 2012
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This is how I am, HOWEVER, I'm open to new things, so I appreciate the feedback.


Have you tried craigslist
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:44 PM - 29 February, 2012
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This is how I am, HOWEVER, I'm open to new things, so I appreciate the feedback.


Have you tried craigslist


Dude, did you SEE what I typed?

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This thread has served it's purpose, but however, MY INITIAL issue has been (or is going to be) resolved by Win7 Professional...

I was going to look harder at the MACs if the above didn't work out well.
WarpNote 5:57 PM - 29 February, 2012
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This is how I am, HOWEVER, I'm open to new things, so I appreciate the feedback.

JM, I'll tell you one thing though, however clever you are with computers and configuration, you'll be surprised by how much more time you will have for practicing mixes and exploring new music, once you go for a mac that is.

No matter how much of a computer expert anyone is, configuration and maintenance will take more effort on a laptop PC compared to a MacBook for SSL usage.

I understand that from an IT guys perspective you might want to spend your time on troubleshooting computers, as it keeps you updated on the technology. This while others want to focus on music. It really boils down to that simple consideration, what do you wanna spend the most time on, and how much are you willing to pay for it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:04 PM - 29 February, 2012
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This is how I am, HOWEVER, I'm open to new things, so I appreciate the feedback.

JM, I'll tell you one thing though, however clever you are with computers and configuration, you'll be surprised by how much more time you will have for practicing mixes and exploring new music, once you go for a mac that is.

No matter how much of a computer expert anyone is, configuration and maintenance will take more effort on a laptop PC compared to a MacBook for SSL usage.

I understand that from an IT guys perspective you might want to spend your time on troubleshooting computers, as it keeps you updated on the technology. This while others want to focus on music. It really boils down to that simple consideration, what do you wanna spend the most time on, and how much are you willing to pay for it.


I agree.

What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops, except for the initial configuration, and then I never have to do anything again.

I now fully understand that with MAC's, you're paying for the convenience of not having to do anything from the door, or pretty much down the line.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:14 PM - 29 February, 2012
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I've never had this type of problem....now OTHER PEOPLE may have, but that's never been an issue for me..

Y'all have never seen me make a single complaint about a Windows related issue until I got the Thinkpad with XP on it.

The solution is Win 7. (For FREE, btw :-)), but now I also have a lot to go on if I ever wanted to get a MAC, and have everyone's perspective....

You have to remember, "Just GET A MAC" as a standalone solution is not justifying and extra 1500 over what I'd normally spend for a PC.

I idea of
1. OS X being a stable environment
2. Hardware/Software device issues non existant
3. Build Quality
4. Applecare
5. Resale Value (if needed)
6. and for me, the ability to run Windows/Windows Apps

are pretty good SOLID reasons....

Now I have no reservations about getting my STEPDAUGHTER a MAC because she will NEED one before I will (Graphics School), and I won't feel like an idiot by not knowing the in's and out's of her OS, as by the time something goes wrong, I should have a MAC myself...

Feel me? (NM).
Joee 6:17 PM - 29 February, 2012
man listen......

Just Buy One!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:22 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Just Buy One!


Sure, just shoot me over about 2k, and I'll get right on it...
Joee 6:27 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Just Buy One!


Sure, just shoot me over about 2k, and I'll get right on it...

you can get a 15 inch 2.0 ghz quad core i7 for $1,300 for apple......a refurb

a 13 inch for 1K........
Joee 6:28 PM - 29 February, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:47 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Sure, just shoot me over about 2k, and I'll get right on it...

you can get a 15 inch 2.0 ghz quad core i7 for $1,300 for apple......a refurb

a 13 inch for 1K........


Ok, let's say you still let a brova get 13 hunnerd real quick.....
Joee 6:54 PM - 29 February, 2012
lol........nope all you need is $869-----> store.apple.com

i would help a brother out & all you know, but i just bought two rane 62 & some zxa1 sub......a brother is broke....lol

---> imageshack.us
----> imageshack.us

man listen........lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:59 PM - 29 February, 2012
lol...

I ain't mad at chu....
Joee 7:16 PM - 29 February, 2012
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lol...

I ain't mad at chu....

man all this talking about mac.....i just bought this one---> store.apple.com

thanks alot johnny..lol

o well, i'm due for a update anyway , i use a pre unibody macbook pro 15 inch, than i have a backup 13 inch unibody
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:21 PM - 29 February, 2012
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if you're the kind of guy who actually enjoys tinkering around with the guts to get it working how you want and thinks it is no big deal, then stick it in your but, no Mac man is ever going to persuade you.


This is how I am, HOWEVER, I'm open to new things, so I appreciate the feedback.


Have you tried craigslist


Dude, did you SEE what I typed?

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This thread has served it's purpose, but however, MY INITIAL issue has been (or is going to be) resolved by Win7 Professional...

I was going to look harder at the MACs if the above didn't work out well.




I saw what u typed...did you see what I typed though lol
DeezNotes 7:23 PM - 29 February, 2012
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What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops, except for the initial configuration, and then I never have to do anything again

I'm not sure if I believe you. We don't chat as much as we used to, but I know for a fact you've mentioned that you were working on a computer 2-3 times. Whatever amount of time that was I haven't had to do any of that stuff once. Whatever little time you do spend optimizing whatever you're optimizing, imagine if you didn't have to do it at all? I know you're not getting one and all these points have been made countless times in this thread, but you don't really realize how much time you save when you don't have to do any of that stuff any more.
DJ Tecniq 7:26 PM - 29 February, 2012
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To be fair Johnny I recently purchased a Dell XPS 17 inch with I7. A total "Mack Daddy" pc. It had built in subwoofers and all. It was an absolutely beautiful machine. Cost me 3200.00 total without software.
you have to be shitting me? For a much lesser price than that you could of bought a macbook pro. My 15" i7 Macbook Pro cost me $2200 with all upgraded video card. You might as well of just bought a mac.... -> store.apple.com
DJ Tecniq 7:31 PM - 29 February, 2012
Most Pc's tend to have a lifespan of 2-3 yrs after that you have to upgrade to a new one. I've had this mac for 2 yrs now.. Not 1 crash, not 1 hiccup, not 1 virus, not 1 dropout till after they fixed the dropout issue. My life is 10x easier because I bought a Mac. I used to be all Pc. Eversince I got a Mac I'm a believer...and if I have to get a new computer soon it's going to be a Mac. Their software/hardware is far more intelligent than Windows will ever be.
DJ Tecniq 7:32 PM - 29 February, 2012
Why spend less money on something your gonna have to buy again or replace within the next couple years? Makes no sense to me....
HYDRO MATIC 7:38 PM - 29 February, 2012
ok..lets say this...your going to spend say X hours configuring a new machine right?

Why not spend those X hours customizing your workflow and enviornment...rather than optimizing for it to simply work?

Multiply this by evey single app or update you instal...
DJ Tecniq 7:39 PM - 29 February, 2012
And here's a "SOLID" reason to get a Mac. Some of the top dj's in the world are using..............................................................Mac
s- end
Joee 7:40 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Most Pc's tend to have a lifespan of 2-3 yrs after that you have to upgrade to a new one. I've had this mac for 2 yrs now.. Not 1 crash, not 1 hiccup, not 1 virus, not 1 dropout till after they fixed the dropout issue. My life is 10x easier because I bought a Mac. I used to be all Pc. Eversince I got a Mac I'm a believer...and if I have to get a new computer soon it's going to be a Mac. Their software/hardware is far more intelligent than Windows will ever be.

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Why spend less money on something your gonna have to buy again or replace within the next couple years? Makes no sense to me....

yes sir i got a refurb pre unibody, it was old when i got it at that time the unibody's were out already

i've used it for more than two years now to do video......with NO problems, it's still working great......i just gave in wright now and got this one--> store.apple.com
DJ Tecniq 7:45 PM - 29 February, 2012
^ Word. Nice. When i first opened the box and looked at my mac I was amazed at how beautiful and light it really is. They are incredible..light up keypad is a must for ANY Dj playing in a club or nightly event. Mac's charge a "HELL" of alot faster than Pc's..really there is no competition they just Win. I dropped my mac prob 3 or 4 times from crazy drunken nights...lol fucking thing has dents on the sides but guess what?? "it still works perfect like the day i bought it" they are very durable.
DJ GOOK 7:54 PM - 29 February, 2012
a joee, how many usb ports are there on that one
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:57 PM - 29 February, 2012
just get a mac already so we don't have to endure this thread anymore....

the most SOLID reason I could think of
Joee 8:00 PM - 29 February, 2012
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a joee, how many usb ports are there on that one

only two......that the only down fall, but all i need is one for the 62, i use firewire for the hard drive ......so i still have one free
DJ Tecniq 8:05 PM - 29 February, 2012
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a joee, how many usb ports are there on that one

only two......that the only down fall, but all i need is one for the 62, i use firewire for the hard drive ......so i still have one free
i use a targus 4-port usb hub it works amazingly. i can have all 6 usb ports used up and not 1 problem.
DJCrank 8:17 PM - 29 February, 2012
I have a Mac and I have had a dropout or the spinning color wheel of death while a song was playing. I am hoping that it was my Lacie Hard drive and not my MAC. I am going to use my USB3 backup drive for the next 7 days and hope that the external was the problem. With all that said, I have a back up PC for Serato just in case, havent had to use it in 4 years, basically thats when I got my Mac. I love it, Serato asside, I like the speed and battery life.
WarpNote 8:25 PM - 29 February, 2012
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What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops, except for the initial configuration, and then I never have to do anything again.

JM, I understand that you're not spending crazy time on this, my point is that you WILL spend even less time on it if you go with a Macbook Pro, than you will with a Laptop PC. This is not an assumption JM, but experience from both myself and all my fellow dj buddies, graphic designers and video editors. Lets talk 6 months down your mac dj-road, and I'm absolutely sure we all be saying: "told you so".

I currently own 3 laptop PCs:
1. early 2011 Dell Mobile workstation, i7 M6500, 16gb ram 256 SSD, Nivida Quadro GFX
2. Old Dell 17" Dual core M90 win XP
3. Dell M10v netbook, hackintosh 10.6.8

and 2 Macbook Pros:
1. Late 2011 i7 MBP, 512 SSD 8 GB RAM OSX 10.7.3
2. Old Non Unibody MBP 4,1 Dual Core Penryn Type 4GB

And let me tell you, for SSL, the older MBP outperforms the new Dell by a looong shot.
FYI my newer Dell costs more than double of my new MBP i7 and about the tripple of my older MBP. Hell, even the hackintosh performs as good or even better than the XP machine in SSL.

The only SOLID reason I can see for getting a PC for running SSL, is cost of purchase.
But when you factor in the longevity and stability of the mac, you will see the computer saves you money in the long run. Same reasoning for getting a Rane mixer: higher quality that will last you longer with less maintenance than the competition.

Listen to Dub, Hydro, Cyrus Bezzle and the rest, trust me, you'll thank them in the end.

Peace JM
Warp :D
sixxx 8:42 PM - 29 February, 2012
"What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops... but may do I spend a lot of time fixing everyone else's fuck ups"

fixed :P

Btw, someone was speaking about the lighted keyboard on MBP. True story. I'm DJing at the club and someone comes up to me and says "Nice keyboard". lol

nm
CMOS 8:56 PM - 29 February, 2012
SOLID reason to get a Mac. To prove to yourself you're really a PC guy.

:P
DJ Tecniq 10:03 PM - 29 February, 2012
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SOLID reason to get a Mac. To prove to yourself you were wrong.

:P
fixed*
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:13 PM - 29 February, 2012
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What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops, except for the initial configuration, and then I never have to do anything again

I'm not sure if I believe you. We don't chat as much as we used to, but I know for a fact you've mentioned that you were working on a computer 2-3 times. Whatever amount of time that was I haven't had to do any of that stuff once. Whatever little time you do spend optimizing whatever you're optimizing, imagine if you didn't have to do it at all? I know you're not getting one and all these points have been made countless times in this thread, but you don't really realize how much time you save when you don't have to do any of that stuff any more.


Dude, I'm constantly working on OTHER PEOPLES PC's and LAPTOPS....lol...

All day, everyday, ASIDE from my regular job....

And as a matter of fact, I just had to report INCOME and stuff on it too....

***sigh***

U know this man....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:21 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Most Pc's tend to have a lifespan of 2-3 yrs after that you have to upgrade to a new one. I've had this mac for 2 yrs now.. Not 1 crash, not 1 hiccup, not 1 virus, not 1 dropout till after they fixed the dropout issue. My life is 10x easier because I bought a Mac. I used to be all Pc. Eversince I got a Mac I'm a believer...and if I have to get a new computer soon it's going to be a Mac. Their software/hardware is far more intelligent than Windows will ever be.


See, all that would be believeable if it didn't come from YOU...lol.

You still are here - >>>
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Those EX-PC USERS that are not really savvy will say GET A MAC.


See, I can sift through all the FANBOY *ish, and go with those who are Technically Savvy, YET still see great reasons to buy a MAC.
HYDRO MATIC 11:31 PM - 29 February, 2012
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ok..lets say this...your going to spend say X hours configuring a new machine right?

Why not spend those X hours customizing your workflow and enviornment...rather than optimizing for it to simply work?

Multiply this by evey single app or update you instal...
Dj-M.Bezzle 11:42 PM - 29 February, 2012
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Dude, I'm constantly working on OTHER PEOPLES PC's and LAPTOPS....lol...
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that should tell you something
sixxx 11:58 PM - 29 February, 2012
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"What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops... but may do I spend a lot of time fixing everyone else's fuck ups"

fixed :P


See? I fixed that up there...

""What people have to realize is that I don't spend crazy time optimizing MY PC's and Laptops... but may do I spend a lot of time fixing everyone else's fuck ups"

fixed :P"
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:18 AM - 1 March, 2012
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Dude, I'm constantly working on OTHER PEOPLES PC's and LAPTOPS....lol...
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that should tell you something


Right! I'm not MAD that OTHER FOLKS can't keep their PC's optimized....shooo..

That's more money for me...

I don't HAVE that problem...lol..

As a matter of fact, I upgrade my PC's before they EVER break down..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:19 AM - 1 March, 2012
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ok..lets say this...your going to spend say X hours configuring a new machine right?

Why not spend those X hours customizing your workflow and enviornment...rather than optimizing for it to simply work?

Multiply this by evey single app or update you instal...


But there's one "Configuration", and as far as additional apps are concerned, they install without a hitch...

For me at least....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:20 AM - 1 March, 2012
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And here's a "SOLID" reason to get a Mac. Some of the top dj's in the world are using..............................................................Mac
s- end


lol...Ok..
Joee 12:20 AM - 1 March, 2012
take some of that pc updating money that them people are paying you and buy a mac, you lunched, that $869 one is gone
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:23 AM - 1 March, 2012
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Most Pc's tend to have a lifespan of 2-3 yrs after that you have to upgrade to a new one.


That's not the case for me...

My PC's last a minimum of 4-5 years apiece...until they're "Obsolete", but they never break..

The only thing I MAY upgrade is the harddrive, and that's just because I LOVE to have enough space...and dual drives at that...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:24 AM - 1 March, 2012
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just get a mac already so we don't have to endure this thread anymore....

the most SOLID reason I could think of


LOL! This thread rocks....We got off course for a min, but by far, this is one of the most "Informative" threads in existance...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:27 AM - 1 March, 2012
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Listen to Dub, Hydro, Cyrus Bezzle and the rest, trust me, you'll thank them in the end.

Peace JM
Warp :D


See, you were good until you threw BEEZLE up in there....lol

I'm not doubting the MAC is a GREAT device for DJ'ing, but right now, I've got a COMPARABLE machine for FREE, so which road do you think I'm gonna ease on down?

Also, I'll need to purchase one for my Stepdaughter soon enough, so I'll know what to expect..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:28 AM - 1 March, 2012
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SOLID reason to get a Mac. To prove to yourself you're really a PC guy.

:P


LMAO!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:33 AM - 1 March, 2012
Y'all buggin...

This is nothing more than good old fashioned research...

Like that commercial --. "Show me the Carfax" Watchwww.youtube.com

You just don't go on "JUST GET A (Insert Product Here)", without good feedback...right?

This is what I'm doing....
Joee 12:38 AM - 1 March, 2012
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 ..........will not buy a mac, not now, not EVER

end tread........my dude used a 1980's reallistic mixer well into the year 2000

he than bought a ttm56s some time after 2008

johnnys mixer up intill 2008-----> www.google.com.........
Joee 12:39 AM - 1 March, 2012
^^^^^ that some next level sh!t right there son, were can i get one of those.........LOL
Joee 12:47 AM - 1 March, 2012
i can't believe this tread has Almost as much buzz as pdiddy's rane 62 thraed
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:48 AM - 1 March, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 ..........will not buy a mac, not now, not EVER

end tread........my dude used a 1980's reallistic mixer well into the year 2000

he than bought a ttm56s some time after 2008

johnnys mixer up intill 2008-----> www.google.com.........


Umm...I didn't have that mixer....Sixxx had/has that mixer...

This is mine....---- www.djjohnnym.com
Joee 1:50 AM - 1 March, 2012
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 ..........will not buy a mac, not now, not EVER

end tread........my dude used a 1980's reallistic mixer well into the year 2000

he than bought a ttm56s some time after 2008

johnnys mixer up intill 2008-----> www.google.com.........


Umm...I didn't have that mixer....Sixxx had/has that mixer...

This is mine....---- www.djjohnnym.com


DAMMMMM............lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:51 AM - 1 March, 2012
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i can't believe this tread has Almost as much buzz as pdiddy's rane 62 thraed


Why not? It's a valid question, and we sifted through the "JUST BUY A MAC" rhetoric from cats that DO know what they're talking about....

and others ....lol.

Information is POWER.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:52 AM - 1 March, 2012
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^^^^^ that some next level sh!t right there son, were can i get one of those.........LOL


Now you know.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:53 AM - 1 March, 2012
And here are the records that made it famous www.djjohnnym.com
Joee 2:00 AM - 1 March, 2012
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And here are the records that made it famous www.djjohnnym.com

dammmmmm.........complete with stolen dusty milk crates........

i remember those days......"hoop the fence hurry up grab me some milk crates".......lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:17 AM - 1 March, 2012
So as you see, once I find a GOOD (No pun intended) product, I stick with it...

Like someone saying "Yo, JUST GET A 1200"....for 1000 bucks...

wtf?

Nah, somebody would have Explain to me that -

1. Hey, this product will LAST you until YOU throw it away
2. It is the #1 Product used amongst DJ's.
3. It's been out for 25 + years, with only MINOR (relatively speaking) changes
4. Everybody tries to duplicate it, but can't get it exactly right....
5. The resale value will probably be more than you PAID for it.

Stuff like THAT will cause a cat do just "JUMP IN AND GET ONE"...

Feel me?

Is a MAC considered the "1200MKII" of Laptops for the DJ industry?

Everybody co-signs 12's as the The STANDARD...

Are MAC considered "The STANDARD"?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:19 AM - 1 March, 2012
BTW, that was a rhetorical question, before all the Flaming begins...lol.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:25 AM - 1 March, 2012
As a matter of fact, that's a GREAT Analogy...

Take some "new" DJ coming up to a DJ from the vinyl days, and says to him

Man, get RID of those 1200's, cuz CDJ's are better...

Why? (the vinyl DJ would ask)\

Just "BECUZ" - "Just GET 'EM". - They're "Easier to use/setup/calibrate" than 12's.

So now we have a seasoned DJ being told that CDJ's are BETTER than 12's simply because
the "new" DJ either doesn't KNOW how to Calibrate the 12's...lol, or doesn't care to...

Enter the Vinyl DJ, turned CDJ, and that person can give you a BETTER perspective of why you should, (or they) changed...no whack excuses, just SOLID reasons.
jajoja 3:02 AM - 1 March, 2012
JM its ya boy we touched base jus last week and I asked if it was u and y u didnt have one. Been trolling thru this discussion and their are no real reasons for U to switch to a mac.Your an I.T. guy u can tweak a p.c. to do anything a mac can do so there is no real reason for you to switch or kick out the extra dough. I'm not p.c. savvy so my reasons for mac were sheer simplicity and ease. Just my two cents.
WarpNote 3:04 AM - 1 March, 2012
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I'm not doubting the MAC is a GREAT device for DJ'ing, but right now, I've got a COMPARABLE machine for FREE, so which road do you think I'm gonna ease on down?

If you're gonna get a free machine, sure, I'd probably do the same, at least if I believed it to be stable . Whether or not the PC actually is COMPARABLE, you will only know after you also been spinning on a mac for a while.

Generally speaking, in SSL, a similar specced PC laptop does not perform up to the standard of a MacBook. At least that's that's my experience from messing around with quite a few computers, both my own and others.

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Is a MAC considered the "1200MKII" of Laptops for the DJ industry?

In the professional area of DJ'ing, I think its fair to say that the majority considers the mac the industry standard these days.
dj_craigmac 3:19 AM - 1 March, 2012
between a powerbook and a macbook, i've been using since 2006 2 nights a week 5hrs each gig i've never had one crash or dropout. And i was using both for all my daily computing
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:23 AM - 1 March, 2012
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JM its ya boy we touched base jus last week and I asked if it was u and y u didnt have one. Been trolling thru this discussion and their are no real reasons for U to switch to a mac.Your an I.T. guy u can tweak a p.c. to do anything a mac can do so there is no real reason for you to switch or kick out the extra dough. I'm not p.c. savvy so my reasons for mac were sheer simplicity and ease. Just my two cents.


Whaddup ma dude? Good to see you on here!

Simplicity and Ease....

I'm am not mad at that....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:29 AM - 1 March, 2012
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JM its ya boy we touched base jus last week and I asked if it was u and y u didnt have one.


And to be HONEST, you're part of the reason I even asked this question, because, just like you said, straight up to me, past all other BS - "How come you don't have a MAC"....

And between that and DJ'ing with Qua, (who also had one), I was like, let me throw it out there...

So there you have it.
L2daGee 5:24 AM - 1 March, 2012
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windows 7 on mac is not better than windows 7 on dell or any other windows pc. windows 7 on a mac requires virtualization and is not native.

but the simple fact that a mac user wants or needs to put windows on their mac says a lot about microsoft.


Wrong. Installing Windows using the provided Boot Camp app installs Windows on a partition, and is 100% native. No virtualization at all.
pdidy 8:16 PM - 1 March, 2012
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i can't believe this tread has Almost as much buzz as pdiddy's rane 62 thraed


Why not? It's a valid question, and we sifted through the "JUST BUY A MAC" rhetoooric from cats that DO know what they're talking about....

and others ....lol.

Information is POWER.

Not that it was your intention more like collateral damage .....this thread has done more good for Macs than the "mac vs PC debate ...
pdidy 8:35 PM - 1 March, 2012
Jm ......you're like that guy that never cheats on his wife an is perfectly happy an content ........now this guy will forever be safe provided he stays far far away from some NEW GOOD PUSSY........A mac is like that NEW GOOD PUSSY.
sixxx 9:02 PM - 1 March, 2012
lol...
Joee 9:05 PM - 1 March, 2012
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Jm ......you're like that guy that never cheats on his wife an is perfectly happy an content ........now this guy will forever be safe provided he stays far far away from some NEW GOOD PUSSY........A mac is like that NEW GOOD PUSSY.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Joee 9:06 PM - 1 March, 2012
get you some johnny
DJ Dynamight 9:33 PM - 1 March, 2012
Mac spend more on style while PC fans like a good bargain, says poll

Read more: www.nydailynews.com
pdidy 9:39 PM - 1 March, 2012
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Mac spend more on style while PC fans like a good bargain, says poll

Read more: www.nydailynews.com

Fuck a poll......
pdidy 9:44 PM - 1 March, 2012
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Mac spend more on style while PC fans like a good bargain, says poll

Read more: www.nydailynews.com

Fuck a poll......

No seriously...lol, it mean nothing in terms of how well macs work with serato. Its just the better tool. But there is some truth in that for the masses.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:16 PM - 1 March, 2012
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i can't believe this tread has Almost as much buzz as pdiddy's rane 62 thraed


Why not? It's a valid question, and we sifted through the "JUST BUY A MAC" rhetoooric from cats that DO know what they're talking about....

and others ....lol.

Information is POWER.

Not that it was your intention more like collateral damage .....this thread has done more good for Macs than the "mac vs PC debate ...


This thread wasn't made to BASH MAC's, but find out what's so "GREAT" about them...

BUT, make no mistake...

Nothing has changed as far as this is concerned....i245.photobucket.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:21 PM - 1 March, 2012
But on the real, the LAST TIME I CHECKED when we were all on Stickam...

K Smizzle - Was on a PC/Laptop
Deez - Was on a PC/Laptop
I think Sheak was on a PC/Laptop
Thundercat/Dazz - was on a PC/Laptop
and I was on a Laptop...

Zero F*cks were given for a MAC.

Now, of course some time has passed, and Smizz & Deez switched over, and I honestly didn't know Smizz did until recently, but nobody who I was cool with was thinkin' about a MAC until recently...

And those are the movers and shakers of the forum...lol.
Joee 11:31 PM - 1 March, 2012
reason #1001 for DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 to get a mac......

i ordered it yesterday......& i just got it wright now, i would have had it sooner but the fedEx driver was in a budget rent a truck ,he said his fed ex truck broke down
Dj Bacik 11:41 PM - 1 March, 2012
Points made.

****Stops Tracking****
Manny C dot com 11:42 PM - 1 March, 2012
YOU WILL NEVER hear anyone say, "I used to use a Mac, but now I switched to Windows and everything is soooo much better. I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. Now I never want to go back to using a Mac".
DJ Tecniq 1:17 AM - 2 March, 2012
He's in denial. I could prob optimize a pc faster than he could. I'm no amateur I have fixed all my friends computers from virus to spyware, popups...funny how I NEVER had to do that for a Mac cause the computer already does the work for you.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:24 AM - 2 March, 2012
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reason #1001 for DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 to get a mac......

i ordered it yesterday......& i just got it wright now, i would have had it sooner but the fedEx driver was in a budget rent a truck ,he said his fed ex truck broke down


Your MAC is broke because the SPELLCHECK ain't workin...
Joee 1:45 AM - 2 March, 2012
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reason #1001 for DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 to get a mac......

i ordered it yesterday......& i just got it wright now, i would have had it sooner but the fedEx driver was in a budget rent a truck ,he said his fed ex truck broke down


Your MAC is broke because the SPELLCHECK ain't workin...

man listen.........LOL

i'm on the old one.....my gig laptop doesn't go online

i ain't <--- AIN'T <--- worried about no spell chec <--........lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:50 AM - 2 March, 2012
Ok. so your OLD MAC's spellcheck AIN'T workin.....
DJ GOOK 2:09 AM - 2 March, 2012
I guess this is Dells answer to the MAC
www.dell.com
so JM you can spend your cabbage on what you know and love.
PC that is
as you know I'm not a computer wiz.
thats my 2 pennies
sixxx 2:32 AM - 2 March, 2012
@ Johnny, that picture is definitely misleading.
Just look around at all the people here who have
customized their macs by adding bigger hard drives...
Taking out the optical drive, adding another drive, etc.
sixxx 2:34 AM - 2 March, 2012
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YOU WILL NEVER hear anyone say, "I used to use a Mac, but now I switched to Windows and everything is soooo much better. I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. Now I never want to go back to using a Mac".



Without arguments, this holds true. nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:02 AM - 2 March, 2012
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@ Johnny, that picture is definitely misleading.
Just look around at all the people here who have
customized their macs by adding bigger hard drives...
Taking out the optical drive, adding another drive, etc.


But I'm sayin, mad cats on here be asking "HOW", when it should be mad easy...

Just sayin...
sixxx 3:35 AM - 2 March, 2012
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@ Johnny, that picture is definitely misleading.
Just look around at all the people here who have
customized their macs by adding bigger hard drives...
Taking out the optical drive, adding another drive, etc.


But I'm sayin, mad cats on here be asking "HOW", when it should be mad easy...

Just sayin...


It is mad easy... but wouldn't you rather not fuck up your computer by doing it wrong? Shit. I'd be asking and looking up youtube videos before fuckin' up any kind of computer (pc or mac).

nm
HYDRO MATIC 2:17 PM - 2 March, 2012
ive fixed 20-30 of 1200 over the years...first thing i always do...read the instructions on how to do what im about to do...

"Measure twice ...cut once"
DJ Remy USA 2:36 PM - 2 March, 2012
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I guess this is Dells answer to the MAC
www.dell.com
so JM you can spend your cabbage on what you know and love.
PC that is
as you know I'm not a computer wiz.
thats my 2 pennies


so many PC now a days stealing the mac look, you can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig...lol
SeriousCyrus 2:41 PM - 2 March, 2012
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so many PC now a days stealing the mac look, you can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig...lol


Before and after the iPhone:
www.grabi.org
Nicky Blunt 2:55 PM - 2 March, 2012
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I will say one thing though johnnym... i was like you all windows... so i when i jumped over to the mac osx, there was a learning curve in regards to getting around. you don't need to do many tweaks or configure settings. since the mac osx is controlled so tightly most programs work right out the box (<--irony being that apple is pushing most programs through app store)




Again, I need specifics....



What DON'T you have to configure on a MAC, that you DO have to configure on a PC?



Nothing really, when they say "all the configuration" it means uninstalling the bloatware that comes on a new PC.

As a matter of fact one of the forum guys PMed me about his new machine getting dropouts. I had him uninstall the dell backup program, uninstall norton and install something lighter, and he has been problem free. There arent really any tweaks necessary unless you are running an under powered machine.


Thanks again for that dude, I super apprecite the help!
DeezNotes 3:21 PM - 2 March, 2012
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But on the real, the LAST TIME I CHECKED when we were all on Stickam...

K Smizzle - Was on a PC/Laptop
Deez - Was on a PC/Laptop
I think Sheak was on a PC/Laptop
Thundercat/Dazz - was on a PC/Laptop
and I was on a Laptop...

Zero F*cks were given for a MAC.

Now, of course some time has passed, and Smizz & Deez switched over, and I honestly didn't know Smizz did until recently, but nobody who I was cool with was thinkin' about a MAC until recently...

And those are the movers and shakers of the forum...lol.

When I was on stickam I used a Mac for SSL and a PC for the webcam. I bought my first Mac right before I started going on stickam when I was in LA.
ral 3:44 PM - 2 March, 2012
when im in stickam, i use 1 mac to handle ssl, camtwist, bridge, video, chat, fb -
Dj K.Smith 4:28 PM - 2 March, 2012
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But on the real, the LAST TIME I CHECKED when we were all on Stickam...

K Smizzle - Was on a PC/Laptop
Deez - Was on a PC/Laptop
I think Sheak was on a PC/Laptop
Thundercat/Dazz - was on a PC/Laptop
and I was on a Laptop...

Zero F*cks were given for a MAC.

Now, of course some time has passed, and Smizz & Deez switched over, and I honestly didn't know Smizz did until recently, but nobody who I was cool with was thinkin' about a MAC until recently...

And those are the movers and shakers of the forum...lol.

The "OG" days of stickam I was on both my mac and my PC... I've always used the PC to broadcast, but after a while I made the switch to mac to dj (wanna say around 2007)... I've used both to dj live on stickam with no problems as they both were cool... Now, I only dj with my macs and tag, download, organize, etc, etc... with my Dell PC laptop... kagen hates me now because I got an iMac, LOL...
Dj K.Smith 5:02 PM - 2 March, 2012
Oh yeah dude, you should know by now if you wanna get a Mac or not, LOL... What are you waiting for?
latindj 5:12 PM - 2 March, 2012
you answered your own question johnny way back in the thread:

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And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....


get a mac.

NM
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:24 PM - 2 March, 2012
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Oh yeah dude, you should know by now if you wanna get a Mac or not, LOL... What are you waiting for?


M
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:25 PM - 2 March, 2012
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you answered your own question johnny way back in the thread:

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And I'm CONSTANTLY repairing PC's.....


get a mac.

NM


ha ha...but not CONSTANTLY repairing MY OWN...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:28 PM - 2 March, 2012
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When I was on stickam I used a Mac for SSL and a PC for the webcam. I bought my first Mac right before I started going on stickam when I was in LA.


Quote:
The "OG" days of stickam I was on both my mac and my PC... I've always used the PC to broadcast, but after a while I made the switch to mac to dj (wanna say around 2007)... I've used both to dj live on stickam with no problems as they both were cool... Now, I only dj with my macs and tag, download, organize, etc, etc... with my Dell PC laptop... kagen hates me now because I got an iMac, LOL...


So y'all made moves, and ain't tell nobody...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:29 PM - 2 March, 2012
Kagen! Man, so is HE still a PC Man? lol...
sixxx 11:42 PM - 2 March, 2012
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Kagen! Man, so is HE still a PC Man? lol...


He uses both... lol

nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:50 PM - 2 March, 2012
GTFOOH.

Kagen has a MAC?
sixxx 1:51 AM - 3 March, 2012
Yes. He's had one for about 2 years. I think... nm
sixxx 1:51 AM - 3 March, 2012
I know he has a mac... not sure how long he's had it though. nm
Dj K.Smith 7:51 PM - 3 March, 2012
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Kagen! Man, so is HE still a PC Man? lol...


Kagen's had a Mac for a while now...
DJ'Que 1:43 AM - 4 March, 2012
So is he still working on that PC
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:13 AM - 4 March, 2012
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Kagen! Man, so is HE still a PC Man? lol...


Kagen's had a Mac for a while now...


Get out...

He was the BIGGEST proponent of PC's vs. MACs next to me....

Wow...

I'm mad nobody told me....I thought we was boyz.
spirez 3:46 AM - 4 March, 2012
Multi touch gestures blow windows out of the water. two, three and four finger swipe commands are mega useful and so slick
djcrap 7:57 AM - 12 March, 2012
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PLEEEEASE do not drop support for Windows XP.

I'm afraid that Windows XP is not supported by Serato Video.

Windows XP is now 11 years old, and unfortunately with the upcoming release of Windows 8 we can't support every OS.
Rick Hodgkins 9:55 AM - 12 March, 2012
Top the whole thing off with a blue tooth MagicMouse and keyboard, the mouse is amazing and the feel of the keys are identical to the Mac. And they don't eat batteries 4-6 months usually.
Mr. Goodkat 9:53 PM - 14 March, 2012
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Multi touch gestures blow windows out of the water. two, three and four finger swipe commands are mega useful and so slick


these are important tools that i see most djs not using. i had help from an experienced mac user, but most people don't.
HYDRO MATIC 10:12 PM - 14 March, 2012
(live while djing that is)
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Multi touch gestures blow windows out of the water. two, three and four finger swipe commands are mega useful and so slick


these are important tools that i see most djs not using. i had help from an experienced mac user, but most people don't.



only thing I use live is the scrol and pan...what else you using? (live while djing that is)
lowtek 6:26 AM - 25 March, 2012
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I agree with CMOS. The reason I got a mac was because I needed a new laptop and a new desktop, so I decided that buying a macbook pro and a dock would cost about the same amount of money as a pc laptop and desktop, and i could use it for both. I was DJing on average 3-4 times a week for 6 years on the same HP laptop and never had a problem. I had one crash, ever, but it was a power surge that rebooted the 57 as well so the music would have gone off even if it was a mac.

I like my new macbook pro, but it's sitting about 10 feet away from me while I type this on one of my PC laptops...so it's not one of those "once you go mac you'll never go back" situations for me either.


+++
mr187 3:16 AM - 12 July, 2012
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you know that saying "once you go black you never go back" NH........LOL

the same applies for mac's everyone & i mean EVERYONE i know thats made the switch, Does not ever want to pic up a pc again, you just have to try for yourself to understand


until u want ro run something PC only
DJMark 3:23 AM - 12 July, 2012
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you know that saying "once you go black you never go back" NH........LOL

the same applies for mac's everyone & i mean EVERYONE i know thats made the switch, Does not ever want to pic up a pc again, you just have to try for yourself to understand


until u want ro run something PC only


Then you either run Windows by using Bootcamp, or through virtualization.

Best Windows laptop I've ever used by far is a MacBook Pro.
mr187 4:03 AM - 12 July, 2012
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that cute glowing half eaten apple logo dude ....... LMAO


that must me them new 2012 macs
everything older than 2012 only have one bite out of it.
mr187 4:20 AM - 12 July, 2012
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and yes ssl works flawessly on my hp laptop in those 3 years of using a windows pc,no problem at all , if i recall i never experienced crashing on those hp laptops , i really dont know why i bought a macbook in the first place,just some spontaneous buy while taking my girl to get an iphone (nope i dont have an iphone,im a blackberry guy)


you must have a small collection I had a hp and all was good until my collection grew them I made the switch like night and day. Not knocking PC but we are a group of 5 dj's that all went from PC to Mac instant change.
mr187 4:29 AM - 12 July, 2012
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if your pc registry gets infected your a goner. game over start all over again..


See this is ANOTHER MYTH...but by the same token, WHY do I hear stories of if there's something wrong with a MAC, you have to reinstall THE WHOLE OS?

I'm not seeing a clear winner here....


Why Not ? In most cases a Re Install of Mac OS Install Faster Than The Time It Takes to diagnose a PC problem.

My Reinstall Takes About 4 min. and all my files and documents are still intact.
RogerRabbit 5:38 AM - 13 July, 2012
Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?

The majority of answers in this thread are :

The follow the crowd-ers:
Well I "think" one application(ssl) work better on a MAC therefore Macs are better.

That's like me saying well Pandora works better on a iphone over a galaxy S therefore the iphone is better...

What happened to other technical aspects of the system?

Ineptness & fAaaake Windows guru's:
a)I had too many problems with windows, so I switched to macs.
b)I used windows for many years was a "windows buff" - but Macs are so much better...

category a - Incompetent
category b - You really didn't know sh%t in the first place...

Windows have viruses:
*Sighs* - It has been explained numerous times before why windows machine are more of a target.

Placebo Effect - Horse-Crock:
"The best system I are have run windows on, is a MAC"

You telling me, I can have the same exact same spec processor,cpu,memory(+more) and hard speed - on a machine on non MAC - that cost $300- 400 less and running windows not OSX.... but windows runs better on a mac...

It must be the glowing apple - because that claim has no technical merit.
the_black_one 5:48 AM - 13 July, 2012
HOLY fucking SHit...... some old ass "NINJAS" up in here with some tick as ASHY skulls.

WHy do you feel the need to bust out your "Windows guru" up in here. Don't ever get a mac, mac is not for you. Continue to use your rig because it works for you. Also make sure to buy more fucking tapes to record your mixes or maybe more reel to reel because tapes are too advance for your old ass.
XP, Windows vista, windows 7 or whatever crap os you have tweaked because "YOU KNOW WINDOWS" and it works flawless for you stick with it please.
the_black_one 5:55 AM - 13 July, 2012
quality of components. Components assembled by the same manufacturer. Quality control of the components.
RogerRabbit 5:58 AM - 13 July, 2012
Forgot add to the categories list..

the_unintelligent_ones
The posts who can't defend their position in a effectual way so they resort to cussing and ranting..
the_black_one 6:03 AM - 13 July, 2012
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Forgot add to the categories list..

the_unintelligent_ones
The posts who can't defend their position in a effectual way so they resort to cussing and ranting..


yep... that would be me.... after you and johnny have read a million reasons why and continue to dig for answers! i guess your just able to make reason of the responses
DJ Tecniq 8:40 AM - 13 July, 2012
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Oh yeah dude, you should know by now if you wanna get a Mac or not, LOL... What are you waiting for?


M
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Get a J.O.B. :)
DJ Remy USA 12:54 PM - 13 July, 2012
Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.
Logisticalstyles 8:30 PM - 13 July, 2012
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Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.

Which cert do you have?
Logisticalstyles 9:01 PM - 13 July, 2012
All this Mac talk has got me looking at one now. I just got an offer to buy a 2009 Macbook Pro. I'm probably gonna mak that move.
REDSELECTER 9:07 PM - 13 July, 2012
These are the reasons why I have Macs:

- Unix base of OS X - I can use it as a dev platform for Python/Java/LAMP, and port the results to a Linux host w/ very little work
- NeXTSTEP base of OS X - file layout is very simple and fairly consistent (compare /System/Library to C:\Windows
- NeXTSTEP base of Finder - for me it is a more consistent and intuitive interface for manipulating files/folders/applications
- Design - Apple is typically on the cutting edge of design, and the usually (but not always) get it right. Is it a coincidence that all the PC manufacturers keep making iMac/MacBook lookalikes?
- Hardware Innovation - for example - the MagSafe power supply connector, the entire Mac Pro chassis
- No Registry - what a clusterfuck of a concept
- Extreme Stability - in my personal experience at least, and almost all major crashes I've had (not that many) have been the result of third party hardware (PCIe RAID Card, eSata ExpressCard)
- Lack of Virus/Malware - never ever been affected on my Macs, vs my Windows machines - yes it does happen to Macs, but not only are Macs way less targeted by virus authors, but the design of the OS from the kernel up is significantly more secure.
- Lack of tweaking necessary to obtain performance and stability - well I happen to be an engineer, so I tweak anyway, but out of the box they run fantastic, even when highly taxed, e.g. DAW, video rendering, etc.

Just my opinion - buy what works best for you - I admit they are not cheap, but spec a comparable PC and the difference is not that great.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:20 PM - 13 July, 2012
Besr reason for johnny to get a mac....serati.com only has so many terabytes it can dudicate to him continually askin
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:20 AM - 14 July, 2012
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Besr reason for johnny to get a mac....serati.com only has so many terabytes it can dudicate to him continually askin


Serati.com huh?

They need to dedicate some of those terabytes to get that spell check goin for yo azz...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:22 AM - 14 July, 2012
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?

The majority of answers in this thread are :

The follow the crowd-ers:
Well I "think" one application(ssl) work better on a MAC therefore Macs are better.

That's like me saying well Pandora works better on a iphone over a galaxy S therefore the iphone is better...

What happened to other technical aspects of the system?

Ineptness & fAaaake Windows guru's:
a)I had too many problems with windows, so I switched to macs.
b)I used windows for many years was a "windows buff" - but Macs are so much better...

category a - Incompetent
category b - You really didn't know sh%t in the first place...

Windows have viruses:
*Sighs* - It has been explained numerous times before why windows machine are more of a target.

Placebo Effect - Horse-Crock:
"The best system I are have run windows on, is a MAC"

You telling me, I can have the same exact same spec processor,cpu,memory(+more) and hard speed - on a machine on non MAC - that cost $300- 400 less and running windows not OSX.... but windows runs better on a mac...

It must be the glowing apple - because that claim has no technical merit.


Aww hell...lol...

No comment... :-D
DJ Remy USA 6:52 AM - 14 July, 2012
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Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.

Which cert do you have?


CCNA
MCITP
Security Plus

9 years dealing with Microsoft system on daily basis in a enterprise environment
the_black_one 7:53 AM - 14 July, 2012
BAM!!!!!
Logisticalstyles 1:39 PM - 14 July, 2012
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Quote:
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Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.

Which cert do you have?


CCNA
MCITP
Security Plus

9 years dealing with Microsoft system on daily basis in a enterprise environment


That's what's up. I'm currently about to take the 70-680 exam.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:16 PM - 14 July, 2012
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Quote:
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Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.

Which cert do you have?


CCNA
MCITP
Security Plus

9 years dealing with Microsoft system on daily basis in a enterprise environment


That's pretty good!

Experience with building and rolling out XP images in a corporate environment, or mostly administration?
DJ Remy USA 4:19 PM - 15 July, 2012
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Quote:
Quote:
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Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.

Which cert do you have?


CCNA
MCITP
Security Plus

9 years dealing with Microsoft system on daily basis in a enterprise environment


That's pretty good!

Experience with building and rolling out XP images in a corporate environment, or mostly administration?


Well last year we deployed Windows 7 using WinPE and the new AIK tools to automate majority of the process from creating the image to deploying it to the environment. We tied to our Domain OUs so we could pick and choose which systems to update. I also go very heavy with System admin and desktop support because my team has to be versatile to support our customers. I work for the Air force and Ima windows nerd and that pretty much why I hate it cause I know it so well I refuse to use it for a home computer....anyways MAC 4 life...lol
MusicMeister 10:09 PM - 15 July, 2012
I'm going to throw my 411 into this...

I don't know anything... or maybe I do.

MCSE on NT 3.51 was the first 'major' Microsoft Certification I earned.

I was a Microsoft Certified Trainer for more than a decade.

I've been using Microsoft Operating System since DOS 2.0 and Windows 3.0.

I've used Mac's off and on since the original Macintosh.

I first earned my A+ Certification back when there were still Apple questions on it, it was a single test of 100 questions and there were no study guides available.

I've also been certified on more equipment than I can list and have held more than 2-3 dozen certifications over the years - and have been published as a columnist in Information Security Magazine. My last certification was as an Enterasys Systems Engineer. Enterasys is like Cisco, only better. ;) You can implement policy without locking yourself into a closet with the equipment and the manuals for 3 years. I also work with a Siemens phone system we installed and I'm responsible for maintaining. Yes, it's Unix based. We're using LLDP-MED, Mac Authentication, network policy, and much more. I've deployed dozens of servers over the last couple years and have worked with and for a number of fortune 500 and government entities - including Disney, the US Government, the US Coast Guard (as a contractor), Joint Program Office - Huntsville, Alyeska - the Alaska Pipeline Services Company, ECC International, Charles Schwab, and plenty of others. I've also taught at Herzing College, University of Phoenix, University of Alaska - Kodiak Community College, and a couple others - despite my lack of a college degree. I've also taught classes from Chicago, to New York to Puerto Rico and many places in between.

So... I don't really know anything at all.... but what the hell, let's talk. ;)

There are a lot of information that can sway people either way - and a lot of it is what we call in the security side of things, FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). In other words, it's BS.

Here's some of the arguments on each side that really aren't entirely true.

1. Macs are more expensive. Not really. Macs are more like business class laptops than consumer class laptops. And when you compare Macs to business class laptops things get much closer in price.

2. Windows PC's are cheaper. Yes, and no. CONSUMER class machines come with 5000lbs of bloatware you need to strip off and are dirt cheap because they come with all that crap. Business class machines do not come with all that crap but also tend to be much closer in price for a similarly spec'd machine. Business class machines generally come with Windows (whatever) Pro. They don't come with 'home edition'.

3. Apple machines just look 'cool'. Yes, the aluminum case is damned sweet. But there are other companies who makes some very sweet looking machines now as well. But if you're going to slap stickers or a cover on it when you're working - who cares?

Here's what it really comes down to:

Macs tend to be better out of the box. It doesn't require any knowledge of computers to get the 'most' out of a Mac. They're ready out of the box. Because Apple controls the operating system, the hardware, etc there are a LOT less variables so yes, in most cases, there tends to be fewer problems. Underlying parts of the operating system are better - particularly the ability to use a journaling file system. In the past, they were better because they had better memory management and could access FAR more memory than PC's. With the 64 bit operating systems hitting Windows that's not so much the case any more.

PC's have more issues because people who buy them tend to buy bloated, cheap, consumer class machines. They then compare this crap to Apple. If they had bought a business class machine to begin with they wouldn't feel that way. Consumer class laptop models tend to turn and burn - meaning here today, gone tomorrow. Business class models have some longevity - much like Macs. While PC's can have more issues with DPC latency and the like out of the box, they are more easily stripped to the core components to make a dedicated machine. I've yet to see a Mac with less than 10 processes running total - and with that - effectively running a DVS. They can also tend to carry a longer warranty. We don't buy a PC on my day job with less than a 5 year warranty - last I checked Apple was limited to 3 years. ;)

At the end of the day, my personal recommendation is the same as it's always been - what's your workflow like, what product(s) do you already know, and if you change, are you prepared for the learning curve that comes with it?

What do I use? Well, I've been using PC's for a REALLY long time. But about 3 years ago I started moving to Mac's. Not because I couldn't get the most out of a PC, but I got tired of spending all that damn time tweaking the OS. I just wanted the damn thing to work out of the box. And having used both business and consumer class machines, if I was going to spend the money on a business class machines I figured I might as well try Apple. I did and I love it... I still use PC's, we're doing a virtual desktop implementation next month at my day job using HP Blade servers and an IBM 7000 series SAN using 8GB fibre channel. But on my desk at work is a 24" iMac. My personal laptop is a 13" MacBook Pro. I have a Mac Mini I DJ'd with for nearly 2 years. My wife and I both own iPhones, have iPod Touches, and iPads. We'll be adding another Apple laptop soon as well as an iMac and another Mac Mini.

And as a general rule, after working with PC's and supporting PC's for more than 2 decades I just want the damn stuff to work out of the box. So Mac's are the best for ME right now. It doesn't mean it's the best for YOU though. That's why you need to ask the questions I posted earlier to see what will work for you.

My only recommendation? Don't buy Dell. They buy cheap crap, slap their name on it, and turn and burn. Even their business class stuff isn't that good. Stick to something like Panasonic, Lenovo (which has done well after taking over the brand from IBM), HP Elitebooks (not their consumer class crap), and the like. You'll notice a night and day difference in build quality and you'll find yourself using the machine for MUCH longer.
RogerRabbit 11:14 PM - 15 July, 2012
^^Good resume & commentary..20 years in IT.. <thumbs up>

Btw - how did you manage teaching college courses without a college degree?
DJ'Que 11:55 PM - 15 July, 2012
Just by a Mac and call it a day. If you dont like it sell it. You wont have a problem
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:22 PM - 16 July, 2012
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Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Windows suck and I am a guru I got the certification and on the job experience to prove it. That being said Windows is just not as stable as Mac OS...simple and plain I got a Mac for stability and Ive literally have never switched back.

Which cert do you have?


CCNA
MCITP
Security Plus

9 years dealing with Microsoft system on daily basis in a enterprise environment


That's pretty good!

Experience with building and rolling out XP images in a corporate environment, or mostly administration?


Well last year we deployed Windows 7 using WinPE and the new AIK tools to automate majority of the process from creating the image to deploying it to the environment. We tied to our Domain OUs so we could pick and choose which systems to update. I also go very heavy with System admin and desktop support because my team has to be versatile to support our customers. I work for the Air force and Ima windows nerd and that pretty much why I hate it cause I know it so well I refuse to use it for a home computer....anyways MAC 4 life...lol


Respect given.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:35 PM - 16 July, 2012
Quote:
I'm going to throw my 411 into this...

I don't know anything... or maybe I do.

MCSE on NT 3.51 was the first 'major' Microsoft Certification I earned.

I was a Microsoft Certified Trainer for more than a decade.

I've been using Microsoft Operating System since DOS 2.0 and Windows 3.0.

I've used Mac's off and on since the original Macintosh.

I first earned my A+ Certification back when there were still Apple questions on it, it was a single test of 100 questions and there were no study guides available.

I've also been certified on more equipment than I can list and have held more than 2-3 dozen certifications over the years - and have been published as a columnist in Information Security Magazine. My last certification was as an Enterasys Systems Engineer. Enterasys is like Cisco, only better. ;) You can implement policy without locking yourself into a closet with the equipment and the manuals for 3 years. I also work with a Siemens phone system we installed and I'm responsible for maintaining. Yes, it's Unix based. We're using LLDP-MED, Mac Authentication, network policy, and much more. I've deployed dozens of servers over the last couple years and have worked with and for a number of fortune 500 and government entities - including Disney, the US Government, the US Coast Guard (as a contractor), Joint Program Office - Huntsville, Alyeska - the Alaska Pipeline Services Company, ECC International, Charles Schwab, and plenty of others. I've also taught at Herzing College, University of Phoenix, University of Alaska - Kodiak Community College, and a couple others - despite my lack of a college degree. I've also taught classes from Chicago, to New York to Puerto Rico and many places in between.

So... I don't really know anything at all.... but what the hell, let's talk. ;)

There are a lot of information that can sway people either way - and a lot of it is what we call in the security side of things, FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). In other words, it's BS.

Here's some of the arguments on each side that really aren't entirely true.

1. Macs are more expensive. Not really. Macs are more like business class laptops than consumer class laptops. And when you compare Macs to business class laptops things get much closer in price.

2. Windows PC's are cheaper. Yes, and no. CONSUMER class machines come with 5000lbs of bloatware you need to strip off and are dirt cheap because they come with all that crap. Business class machines do not come with all that crap but also tend to be much closer in price for a similarly spec'd machine. Business class machines generally come with Windows (whatever) Pro. They don't come with 'home edition'.

3. Apple machines just look 'cool'. Yes, the aluminum case is damned sweet. But there are other companies who makes some very sweet looking machines now as well. But if you're going to slap stickers or a cover on it when you're working - who cares?

Here's what it really comes down to:

Macs tend to be better out of the box. It doesn't require any knowledge of computers to get the 'most' out of a Mac. They're ready out of the box. Because Apple controls the operating system, the hardware, etc there are a LOT less variables so yes, in most cases, there tends to be fewer problems. Underlying parts of the operating system are better - particularly the ability to use a journaling file system. In the past, they were better because they had better memory management and could access FAR more memory than PC's. With the 64 bit operating systems hitting Windows that's not so much the case any more.

PC's have more issues because people who buy them tend to buy bloated, cheap, consumer class machines. They then compare this crap to Apple. If they had bought a business class machine to begin with they wouldn't feel that way. Consumer class laptop models tend to turn and burn - meaning here today, gone tomorrow. Business class models have some longevity - much like Macs. While PC's can have more issues with DPC latency and the like out of the box, they are more easily stripped to the core components to make a dedicated machine. I've yet to see a Mac with less than 10 processes running total - and with that - effectively running a DVS. They can also tend to carry a longer warranty. We don't buy a PC on my day job with less than a 5 year warranty - last I checked Apple was limited to 3 years. ;)

At the end of the day, my personal recommendation is the same as it's always been - what's your workflow like, what product(s) do you already know, and if you change, are you prepared for the learning curve that comes with it?

What do I use? Well, I've been using PC's for a REALLY long time. But about 3 years ago I started moving to Mac's. Not because I couldn't get the most out of a PC, but I got tired of spending all that damn time tweaking the OS. I just wanted the damn thing to work out of the box. And having used both business and consumer class machines, if I was going to spend the money on a business class machines I figured I might as well try Apple. I did and I love it... I still use PC's, we're doing a virtual desktop implementation next month at my day job using HP Blade servers and an IBM 7000 series SAN using 8GB fibre channel. But on my desk at work is a 24" iMac. My personal laptop is a 13" MacBook Pro. I have a Mac Mini I DJ'd with for nearly 2 years. My wife and I both own iPhones, have iPod Touches, and iPads. We'll be adding another Apple laptop soon as well as an iMac and another Mac Mini.

And as a general rule, after working with PC's and supporting PC's for more than 2 decades I just want the damn stuff to work out of the box. So Mac's are the best for ME right now. It doesn't mean it's the best for YOU though. That's why you need to ask the questions I posted earlier to see what will work for you.

My only recommendation? Don't buy Dell. They buy cheap crap, slap their name on it, and turn and burn. Even their business class stuff isn't that good. Stick to something like Panasonic, Lenovo (which has done well after taking over the brand from IBM), HP Elitebooks (not their consumer class crap), and the like. You'll notice a night and day difference in build quality and you'll find yourself using the machine for MUCH longer.


By George, I think yiou've filled in the missing piece...

I've ALWAYS used "Business Class' laptops...HP, Dell and most recently Lenovo(IBM), so now it explains WHY I never had a "Problem" with SSL and Windows.

Plus I've always done a Clean install, so no bloatware to "remove"...

Excellent resume, and the type of "Technical" response I was seeking....

Meanwhile here is the type of "Non-Technical" response I've been trying to avoid -

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Just by a Mac and call it a day. If you dont like it sell it. You wont have a problem


Y'all see the difference?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:02 PM - 16 July, 2012
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?


You know, this has more "Meaning" to me now ^^^^.

Is it so that the MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE cats on here pertaining to MACS, are actually WINDOWS guru's?

Before y'all respond, read what I asked CAREFULLY....

wow...
CMOS 7:50 PM - 16 July, 2012
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And I don't mean stuff like...."They're better for DJ'ing"...



I want specific FACTS...



Like do they NOT have USB Dropouts or something?



Let a brova know....



Because Serato said so.

/end thread
WarpNote 7:56 PM - 16 July, 2012
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?


You know, this has more "Meaning" to me now ^^^^.

Is it so that the MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE cats on here pertaining to MACS, are actually WINDOWS guru's?

Before y'all respond, read what I asked CAREFULLY....

wow...

The most knowledgeable when it comes to any tech will have an interest for all types of computers, thats why youll find windows gurus here. Counting out fanboys here... Also, in order to run windows on a production critical machine you would need more than a basic knowledge base. No surprise really.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:20 PM - 16 July, 2012
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?


You know, this has more "Meaning" to me now ^^^^.

Is it so that the MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE cats on here pertaining to MACS, are actually WINDOWS guru's?

Before y'all respond, read what I asked CAREFULLY....

wow...

The most knowledgeable when it comes to any tech will have an interest for all types of computers, thats why youll find windows gurus here. Counting out fanboys here... Also, in order to run windows on a production critical machine you would need more than a basic knowledge base. No surprise really.


But simpler that that...

It's the most basic statement, there are WINDOWS Guru's on here...who originated from a WINDOWS background...

Can the same be said about the existance of MAC Guru's on here...who originated from a MAC background?

I mean a cat that KNOWS his stuff...
Crackpipe 8:40 PM - 16 July, 2012
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1. Macs are more expensive. Not really. Macs are more like business class laptops than consumer class laptops. And when you compare Macs to business class laptops things get much closer in price.

2. Windows PC's are cheaper. Yes, and no. CONSUMER class machines come with 5000lbs of bloatware you need to strip off and are dirt cheap because they come with all that crap. Business class machines do not come with all that crap but also tend to be much closer in price for a similarly spec'd machine. Business class machines generally come with Windows (whatever) Pro. They don't come with 'home edition'.


Disagree with you on MAC's and PC's being close in price. I'm looking at invoice for a Dell Lattitude E6420 15" i5 8GB RAM win7 Pro x64 and it's quoted at $1075. Of course I bought 24 of them on the invoice so I received a slight discount, but you are still spending $300-400 more on a comparable MacBook, even after upgrading the Lattitude processor to an i7-series.
Tekon 9:15 PM - 16 July, 2012
Windows 8 is supposed to be better than Macs OS and is coming out on the 14th October this year. Like Apple, they're even going to have an app store and ish.

I'd still rather have a Mac though.

Jobs pi**ed all over Gates when it came to making computers and their operating systems.
elsupermang 9:48 PM - 16 July, 2012
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Quote:
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?


You know, this has more "Meaning" to me now ^^^^.

Is it so that the MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE cats on here pertaining to MACS, are actually WINDOWS guru's?

Before y'all respond, read what I asked CAREFULLY....

wow...


The most knowledgeable when it comes to any tech will have an interest for all types of computers, thats why youll find windows gurus here. Counting out fanboys here... Also, in order to run windows on a production critical machine you would need more than a basic knowledge base. No surprise really.


But simpler that that...

It's the most basic statement, there are WINDOWS Guru's on here...who originated from a WINDOWS background...

Can the same be said about the existance of MAC Guru's on here...who originated from a MAC background?

I mean a cat that KNOWS his stuff...


Will be hard to find a Mac Guru.. you learn things from breaking/tinkering with them. I've fixed 200x more Windows PC's then Macs therefore my mac expertise isn't nearly as developed. There is almost no need to do the same on the Mac. My knowledge of Mac amounts to cloning hard drives, terminal commands for turning off stuff, and removing startup items. Everything else is either intuitive or derived from Unix/Linux knowledge. You could probably write several encyclopedias on Windows and still not really know enough lol.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:30 PM - 16 July, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?


You know, this has more "Meaning" to me now ^^^^.

Is it so that the MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE cats on here pertaining to MACS, are actually WINDOWS guru's?

Before y'all respond, read what I asked CAREFULLY....

wow...


The most knowledgeable when it comes to any tech will have an interest for all types of computers, thats why youll find windows gurus here. Counting out fanboys here... Also, in order to run windows on a production critical machine you would need more than a basic knowledge base. No surprise really.


But simpler that that...

It's the most basic statement, there are WINDOWS Guru's on here...who originated from a WINDOWS background...

Can the same be said about the existance of MAC Guru's on here...who originated from a MAC background?

I mean a cat that KNOWS his stuff...


Will be hard to find a Mac Guru.. you learn things from breaking/tinkering with them. I've fixed 200x more Windows PC's then Macs therefore my mac expertise isn't nearly as developed. There is almost no need to do the same on the Mac. My knowledge of Mac amounts to cloning hard drives, terminal commands for turning off stuff, and removing startup items. Everything else is either intuitive or derived from Unix/Linux knowledge. You could probably write several encyclopedias on Windows and still not really know enough lol.


C'mon son, I KNOW there has to be AT LEAST ONE MAC GURU on here who didn't start off as a Windows Guru....
Crackpipe 10:40 PM - 16 July, 2012
I started off on an Apple IIe. Probably my all-time favorite platform LOL
ced_so_thoed 10:43 PM - 16 July, 2012
ay
because Stone Cold said so...
yep
DJ Remy USA 10:47 PM - 16 July, 2012
I be the first to say Im a mac user but far from a Guru and thats because Ive never really had many MAC problems to troubleshoot.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:01 PM - 16 July, 2012
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I started off on an Apple IIe. Probably my all-time favorite platform LOL


Would you consider yourself a MAC GURU?
Crackpipe 11:24 PM - 16 July, 2012
The last MAC I had was the OG Macintosh.
DJ Unique 11:26 PM - 16 July, 2012
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Windows 8 is supposed to be better than Macs OS and is coming out on the 14th October this year. Like Apple, they're even going to have an app store and ish.

I'd still rather have a Mac though.

Jobs pi**ed all over Gates when it came to making computers and their operating systems.

and if you want to upgrade it will cost you $299 while OSX Mountain Lion will cost you $19.99
DJ Unique 11:31 PM - 16 July, 2012
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I be the first to say Im a mac user but far from a Guru and thats because Ive never really had many MAC problems to troubleshoot.

same here.
I don't know jack about my MacBook Pro.
Since 2007 all I've had to do is turn on my MBPro, plug in my FW800 HDs, start Serato, start Video or ME and DJ 'til my heart's content.
Zero problems...
My backup computer is a Asus, Win 7 (64 bit), which I've had for over a year, however I've never had to use it.
DJ Remy USA 12:50 AM - 17 July, 2012
@ Johnny I would say if a guy is MAC guru there is big chance he is a Windows Guru. Also just realize Macs just do not break as much, as ofter, or as bad as windows platform. If you know terminal in a MAC I wouldnt say it makes you a guru it makes you brave. The terminal in MAC is even more dangerous than the registry in windows....just my opinion
DJ Remy USA 12:51 AM - 17 July, 2012
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Windows 8 is supposed to be better than Macs OS and is coming out on the 14th October this year. Like Apple, they're even going to have an app store and ish.

I'd still rather have a Mac though.

Jobs pi**ed all over Gates when it came to making computers and their operating systems.

and if you want to upgrade it will cost you $299 while OSX Mountain Lion will cost you $19.99


lol at Windows 8 being better than MAC it will only be a copy. Since Win Vista Windows has been implementing MAC OS like features in there OS...the whole Aero experience in windows is very MAC like along with a couple of features...Im not mad Windows knows they have to step it or risk loosing more users.
Logisticalstyles 1:29 AM - 17 July, 2012
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Windows 8 is supposed to be better than Macs OS and is coming out on the 14th October this year. Like Apple, they're even going to have an app store and ish.

I'd still rather have a Mac though.

Jobs pi**ed all over Gates when it came to making computers and their operating systems.

and if you want to upgrade it will cost you $299 while OSX Mountain Lion will cost you $19.99



Nope! The Windows 8 upgrade is going to be 39.99 for XP, Vista, and 7 users. Microsoft is making sure that price will not be a factor in upgrading to Windows 8.
Tekon 1:32 AM - 17 July, 2012
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lol at Windows 8 being better than MAC it will only be a copy. Since Win Vista Windows has been implementing MAC OS like features in there OS...the whole Aero experience in windows is very MAC like along with a couple of features...Im not mad Windows knows they have to step it or risk loosing more users.


I did say "supposed to be better". Anyway, I agree, Windows is blatantly copying Apple. Look at android mobile phones. They may be slimmer, smaller, lighter, but once you go into the menu it's like looking at an iphone.

Windows 8 isn't like a mac os yet, but they are trying. Its weird using it. To begin with, there's no start menu. You hover over where the start tab used to be and it switches to a grid (not to dis-similar to current games consols) menu where you store your apps and stuff. My mates had a trial version for a few months and even he's finding it a ball ache.
Logisticalstyles 1:33 AM - 17 July, 2012
elsupermang 1:38 AM - 17 July, 2012
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Anyway, I agree, Windows is blatantly copying Apple. Look at android mobile phones. They may be slimmer, smaller, lighter, but once you go into the menu it's like looking at an iphone.


Uhh

A.) Android is made by google, Windows by microsoft
B.) I think the plain background with a row of icons "look" has been around since.. I dunno.. forever even on dumb phones. Apple didn't really reinvent the wheel there, it's just the most popular and recognizable phone UI.
d:raf 2:30 AM - 17 July, 2012
I believe the original source of the Apple GUI is covered in the "Everything Is A Remix" youtube series...

Watchwww.youtube.com
Tekon 3:56 AM - 17 July, 2012
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Uhh

A.) Android is made by google, Windows by microsoft
B.) I think the plain background with a row of icons "look" has been around since.. I dunno.. forever even on dumb phones. Apple didn't really reinvent the wheel there, it's just the most popular and recognizable phone UI.

A) My mistake
B) We must not have the same mobiles as you lot across the pond then.
No need to get up tight about it. Just trying to help.
WarpNote 7:08 AM - 17 July, 2012
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Can the same be said about the existance of MAC Guru's on here...who originated from a MAC background?

I mean a cat that KNOWS his stuff...

Like elsupermang and DJ Remy USA said, a true Mac guru these days is someone with a lot of UNIX experience. The mac changed drastically when OSX was released 10 years ago. en.wikipedia.org

Thats the time actually when I got more serious about macs. However, got my first home mac in the 90s, it was actually a clone from Power Computing Corp www.everymac.com . Those machines were faster than the apple ones at the time. I do like the idea of choice, and back then, I figured Id try out the mac for graphics work/training. At work I was using SGI (IRIX) and Intergraph Computers (Win NT) Watchwww.youtube.com at the time.

Had to do quite a bit of work on the SGI computers in the 90s, but dont consider myself a guru by any standards. We did some deep configuration on those Octanes back then. en.wikipedia.org
Those Octanes were used for daily television production, and had to work "24-7". Also had to mess with the SGI Onyx.

When Apple launched OSX, they set out to be "the next SGI", and in many was they did. As they adopted intel CPUs and drove down prices. At least to some extend, they used to be even pricier. Apple has since then refocused to the consumer market (where they started), and theyre a huge success despite the "premium" price. Its a combination of easy use, stability and good design, imo.
RogerRabbit 7:14 AM - 17 July, 2012
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Wow....

Are they no knowledgeable mac fanboys amongst us?


You know, this has more "Meaning" to me now ^^^^.

Is it so that the MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE cats on here pertaining to MACS, are actually WINDOWS guru's?

Before y'all respond, read what I asked CAREFULLY....

wow...


The best answer to date, I have read in the thread is from MM.....

But so far still no other satisfying answers, for me at least.... I mean even the the working IT pro's appear to be just casual mac users...
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 7:21 AM - 17 July, 2012
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I be the first to say Im a mac user but far from a Guru and thats because Ive never really had many MAC problems to troubleshoot.


^^^Usually this....

Pre mac OS 10.4 or so, I kinda would have called myself a Mac Guru. I have been using Macs since '94 I think (OS 7) and in the late 90's I used to do freelance Mac tech support and also got a job as a retail rep with Apple covering Sears. Circuit City, and CompUSA.

I was a member of 2 or 3 local Mac User groups in my area and used to attend Macworld (Apple's dog and pony show) trade show religiously. I knew enough to troubleshoot most problems and situations back then or had enough Machead friends that were a phone call away for situations that I overlooked.

When Apple opened the Apple Retail Stores, freelance tech support kinda dried up, plus I started coming here and wasting time. The economy also went in the crapper a few years later so I couldn't afford to buy a new Mac every year to stay on top of things.

Anyway I went from guru to fanboy to just chilling....

I wish I had stayed current on all this stuff but walk into Apple store and just count the "geniuses" - I wouldn't be "special" anymore.
elsupermang 11:31 AM - 17 July, 2012
Apple was a very small part of the market. It still is in terms of enterprise computing. You would literally be learning skills that woud only be used in less than 10% of the market. Plus apple fixes everything for free now. The only places that would really need mac guru would be marketing and design shops. And even then they probably still run linux or windows for the backend.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:21 PM - 17 July, 2012
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Can the same be said about the existance of MAC Guru's on here...who originated from a MAC background?

I mean a cat that KNOWS his stuff...

Like elsupermang and DJ Remy USA said, a true Mac guru these days is someone with a lot of UNIX experience. The mac changed drastically when OSX was released 10 years ag