What?

Why do you say they work together? They are 2 different companies

Hopefully itch will never add auto mix. Keep it for djs who actually do some work

Serato and Atomix (Virtual DJ) do not work with each other at all.

Rightly or wrongly, Virtual DJ has the reputation of being the software of choice for lazy talentless f*cks.

Keep it away from my software, thanks.

I sooooo agree!!

+1,000,000,000

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Wrongly, but the situation is what it is...

That's totally it.

Virtual DJ, in the right hands, can be very powerful.

But that doesn't change the fact that every lazy, talentless DJ I've met in the last 5 years has used Virtual DJ.

Except that one guy, who was using iTunes... LOL

Have any of you ever took time and actually used VDJ or tried to understand what it does, or do you just bad mouth it because that's what everybody else does and DJ what's his face uses Serato.

Is it because it has a sync function? Beatmatching really isn't that difficult, especially when you can see the Bpm and its not like it took you or me 4 years and 100k to learn how to do it by ear.

Or because its free to download the HOME version and now anybody that wants to learn how to Dj has a platform to start with then can later move on to the $300 PRO version. But isn't that like what Intro does? So does that make Serato as a whole a bad product?

Or cause you spent X amount of dollars on it and that just makes you a better DJ, its about personal prefrence and personal skill level. Either you have skills or you don't just having the so called top equipment isn't gonna make you suck any less.

I believe they are both good products its up to the user how good they sound. Please help me understand I really want to know what the problem is.

If you think about it though, probably most 21st century DJ has started/begin djing on VDJ, and improve their way to either serato or traktor...

And like what phatbob said, "Serato and Atomix (Virtual DJ) do not work with each other at all."...and they probably never will in the future...

Rnow3: If you look through my history on this forum, you will easily find that no one has defended Virtual DJ as strongly as I have with the exception of SBDJ (Simon Bangs, now an employee of Numark).

The fact of the matter is this: Sure, anyone can download a cracked version of Traktor and mix with it just as easily as they could with Torq, or even the open-source Mixxx... but Virtual DJ (even before there was a free version available) has been the single most cracked and passed around DJ software there is.

Your Serato Intro comparison is not entirely valid as, although (like every other primary Serato Vinyl Emulation Software) the software itself is free, the difference is that it requires a compatible controller to operate. Without a valid controller, you just have an mp3/wav/aiff/mp4/alac player.

Meanwhile, hundreds of millions of copies (easily trackable) of Virtual DJ have been downloaded by many persons. While a significant portion of those were legitimate downloads of Home, the rest were cracked versions of the pro editions 5, 6, and 7 (mostly 5 which is still the most commonly passed around cracked copy to this day).

That said, while I recognize the strength of the product that is Virtual DJ Pro (especially 7) as I myself have had license for a while (that has gone largely unused as of late...), I understand where the stigmatization has come for it. Stereotypes don't develop for no reason. The fact is that despite other products being available, Virtual DJ has practically got the market cornered in people who have no idea what they're doing.

Papa Midnight: Thanks for the explanation but it still doesn't make sense so because some people don't know how to use that makes it a bad tool. So it really is like everybody else bad mouths it so I will too. I guess I will never really get it

No, no, no. I didn't say it was a bad tool, I said exactly the opposite.

All I'm pointing out is that it is a stigmatized product. I've implied nothing else. You will hear nothing from me against the idea that many people just knock it because it's apparently the cool thing to do. However, when you're like me, and, just a few weeks ago, walked out of a legitimate club where the DJ was train-wrecking every single mix and you go talk to them and introduce yourself to find that they're using Virtual DJ Pro 5 (cracked of course), no controller hardware, no soundcard, no headphones (just directly coming out at max volume from the laptop's headphone-out port), didn't know how to mix, had only just gotten into DJing just over a month ago, and was playing for free (plus free drinks), then you begin to get why people say such.

ROFL!

Anyway, one of my best mates and respected DJ colleague used VDJ for years in pubs where no good hardware was available. (Btw, Now he's also a "die hard itcher...")
He reconfigured the VDJ layout on his keyboard in such way he made really unbelievable mixes just with the laptop , and a breakout soundcard (i Think it was numark Cue or something).
These mixes were really pro he could make with it. I'm talking about a talented DJ who rocks TT's and CD players with ease also.
So put VDJ in the right hands, and you blast your crowd with it.

Unfortunately, I had also very good results in mixing with VDJ, but it failed every night concerning stability (unexpected shut down without warning < later it appeared to be a bug in version 5, but I changed to SL by then) . That's why the name VDJ give me the creeps when I think about that.

DJ PM also gives a good indication why VDJ has a "different" reputation. It started as a home DJ program, which you can tweak and customize towards your own needs and looks. The cracked versions are also a pain in the *ss, especially when certain "so called" DJ's use it in public and rob other professional DJ's their job.
They both ruin the name of the program and the name of being a DJ as such.

Papa Midnight: I didnt mean thats how you felt personally was just saying in general. I understand what your saying tho thanks for the reply

In my opinion Virtual Dj is one of the best software out there. I own a license version since the very beginning. Now I'm using Scratch live with Cdjs 1000 and SL 3 and I also own the Numark NS7. When people want to talk S**t they talk no matter what you are using. Some Djs in the Scratch live forum talk bad about itch, some others talk bad about Traktor, and some other talk bad about Virtual Dj. If you are a good Dj, you are going to rock the party no matter what you used. I like using Virtual Dj, I love using Itch and I also like Scratch Live. The best thing that Virtual Dj has, is that you can use it with any controller or any Equipment. You can combine Virtual Dj with Rane hard ware or any hardware. I wish some of those lazy Djs out there start using Virtual Dj properly and give the Software a nice reputation.

I just wondered whether Itch could incorporate some features of Virtual DJ, it was to become controversial.
Virtual Dj quoted as an example, might have suggested that Itch has the "Cruise" of Traktor, which is the same "Automix" Virtual DJ and Traktor VU per channel.

"Cruise or Automix" greatly help in the early evening when no one on the track or DJs that play at weddings, the beginning is not necessary to have the DJ there changing tracks.

I Have one Numark NS6 and I love my software, all that comes is welcome to improve, sorry for my english, is very very very bad kkkkkkk
Cheers

DJ Emerson Brazil, please don't take our comments personally, we understand why you might want these features.

For me, the Automix feature of VirtualDJ is the feature which causes most problems for the reputation of that program, as it allows anybody to sound 'kind of' like a DJ. It is that feature which, even today, makes some people see me DJ with a laptop and sneer at me as if I am not a real DJ.

What I agree WOULD be great for professional users would be a better way of playing through a playlist with some kind of auto crossfade, but not beatmixing.

Although that can be done with iTunes already.

Yes, playlist and auto crossfader for Lounge Music, Quiet Music and not beatmixing

HAHAHAHAHA..... this is really the right statement of a poser.... LOL if you are a real DJ's with the real skills of the DJ's why afraid of autosync? how dare if you can play any tools, you don't care about softwares wether it is Virtual DJ, Serato or Traktor it doesn't matter it is only a tools, and without that you can still do it and rock the crowd with old type TAPES, CD's or Turntable if that's what you wanted. The reason why you have said that is, you are purely INSECURE about Virtual DJ because the autosync features is threatening you so much because you don't possess the proper skills of real DJ's that's what you are afraid off. My reason is everyone of us has their own preference it is their rights on how they wanted. Now if you don't like do it don't bash other softwares. My only point is if you can travels 1000miles with an airplane having relax nice comfortable journey then why make it hard and sacrifice yousef by having a journey with your camel? This what technology does, to make our life easier....

What are you on about? I think you must have misunderstood my post.

Try reading it again.

Even I scratched my head in confusion on that one.

me don't think English is his first language.....no worries

Fully disagree...
It is like stating "if you play the piano while you can't read music scores, you're not a real piano player" < That's a real slap in the face for a lot of talented jazz musicians for example.

There several way's to bring your sound, your music to the crowd.
As soon as they love it, it doesn't matter how you do it.
I started to DJ professionally 16 years ago on Vinyl, then moved on to CD's, and I've been through this whole discussion before. (mostly remarks from DJ's back then that stopped now just because they didn't move on...)

Screw it. The possibilities are there. Take your background, experience and skills with you and move on. Use these new technologies and possibilities to get your sound to the next level...
If improving by using new technology is cheating, then all DJ's using SSL are cheaters too...

I forgot to mention I respect your opinion of-course. And about the piano analogy,
Well, English isn't my first language that's why i do not explain it all to well I guess. But there are a lot of great musicians that can't even read a single music note and still do wonderful stuff with their instrument. Same applies for certain DJ's: I hope this explains better.

Autosync is not reliable all the time, that's true. I have loads of 80's and 90's stuff, and it is correct I sometimes need to use both pitchbends at the same time to get them right... (always hard and tricky routine :-D)

but, imho, there are 2 things to keep in mind before we classify autosync as cheating:
1) people relying on it must find their own way to get it right when it's acting wrong. And that will become a skill on it's own. (just like like any other DJ skill like beatmatching with a pitchbend for example).

2) the people that don't need it, have an extra tool they can use. I only use sync when I want to drop an accapela's on the fly, for example. It's just great for that for what I do.

The only difference with you and these DJ's that rely on autosync is that you have much more skill. That will always give you the advantage. So you don't need to worry about these DJ's, they will stop sooner or later, and the good ones will become true DJ's...

+1000.....

Autosync is very powerful if it is in the right hand, like doing mush up mixes but still you don't have to worry because having your skills a real DJ is a factors that gives you +1000% advantage with those guys using autosync as their own way of mixing.

I disagree strongly.......I am a user of both serato itch and Virtual dj 7. I have a numark ns6. Itch is perfect in everyway, and fantastic for scratching not that I can scratch but the whole sound and latency is tight. the virtual dj is equally as perfect but not great for scratching.

I bpm sync is a great feature on vdj, within a second you have your beats matched then you can concentrate on mixing. Its not cheating its using tech......equally you can use pitch slider too so it makes no odds........I agree with many people VDJ is a great package some of my giggs I use VDJ and others Serato, depending if I have a RnB night or pop night

real talk, +1...

Oh..the quote:"Screw it. The possibilities are there. Take your background, experience and skills with you and move on. Use these new technologies and possibilities to get your sound to the next level...
If improving by using new technology is cheating, then all DJ's using SSL are cheaters too...

Watchwww.youtube.com

vdj and serato work together ? lmfao

Don't know why the disturbing but hilarious animated video for that seems to have gone from YouTube now... Gotta love High Rankin.

I don't get the bashing on VDJ. I for one love it and own the license for the pro version, and liked mentioned before, you can use VDJ with any controller, or no controller at all. like any program, you need to know how to set it up to your personal sittuation and tweak you laptop for optimal preformance. I own many programs, and some have features that the others don't and so on. There all just tools, and the true outcome from any dj set, is a product of what the DJ is made of, and not from what program he uses.

For those who say that VDJ is unreliable, I could assure you that if you take the time to learn the program, and set it up properly, it will work flawless, as is has for me for over 6 years, and I encourage you to see the help section on the serato forums, or for that matter any forum, you will see that they are all unreliable to many DJs.

lol im sure theres a lot more that would say serato is unreliable than those that say vdj is unreliable

I'm not Simon and I don't work for Numark ;)



It's not quite that simple though - from a development perspective the goalposts are always moving for both hardware and software - and you have to be able to work with everything from old to new. For the most part the performance of software like this is reliant on the drivers - poorly coded hardware drivers can make all the difference to the experience.

On Windows that risk is even wider due to the implementation of DPC queues and their importance to low latency audio. Something as silly as a dodgy implementation of ACPI on a laptop for example can cause audio dropouts.

Video is highly dependant on drivers too - look at the difference in performance of the Intel HD3000 on windows and OS X. All down to the drivers I believe. I've seen drivers misreport the amount of video memory available, I've seen video cards lock up temporarily whilst they switch power states, the list goes on.

In essence software vendors such as Serato and Atomix are dependant on the layers of OS and drivers running below them - if they aren't perfect then tweaks may be unfortunately needed.