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Ditching Serato for CD's
DJ Head
9:25 PM - 2 February, 2012
So I'm deciding to ditch Serato and just spin CD's. I was wondering if anyone else has ended up going this route? Here are my reasons why...
When I first bought Serato it was for use on my vinyl decks. I absolutely LOVE spinnin Serato on a pair of Technics! But the problem became that as I began to play out in bars and clubs very few venues still have 1200's in the booth. (I'm sure they are more common in hiphop clubs but I play all EDM venues) Of course Serato is nice because you have your whole library right there but the hassle of having to set up the box in the middle of a packed club while another DJ is spinning CD's started getting old. The other issue I have is that the EDM DJ scene here in Dallas has become more than just saturated with tons of laptop and midi controller freejays. Half of these kids aren't learning to actually beatmatch and mix, they learn on Virtual DJ and controlers like the NS7. I was spinnin a gig at a respected venue the other week where they have a pair of CDJ 2000's and a DJM900 mixer and the DJ who played after me brought in his huge ass NS7 controller and asked me to hook it up for him. -_- Why would you bring a damn controller when the club has a set up like that? You cant use the excuse that Serato has all his music because on the 2000's all you have to bring is a USB stick and all your library is there on the decks. It's because he wanted to stare at the damn waveforms. I'm sick of the stigma being associated with "laptop DJ's". I find it funny that at another gig one of the DJ's was train wrecking his whole set and when I said something about it a bunch of his DJ friends defended him by saying "It's because he's spinning CD's. Thats really hard to do!" WTF? Since when has beatmatching by ear become some "trick" that is hard for "DJ's" to do? Anyways, ever since I've gone back to spinning CD's or off the flash drive on 2000's I have had sooooo much more fun with my sets. Its so much more interactive and its funny to see people from the crowd come by the booth and be like "where's the laptop? how are you doing that?" I feel like Serato tends to make us DJ's a bit lazy. All I'm saying is I believe Serato is great with vinyl, but I feel it is completely useless on CDJ's unless you cant beatmatch by ear and have to rely on the waveforms.
I'll end my rant now. But seriously, has anyone else ditched Serato now that the CDJ 2000's have come out?
When I first bought Serato it was for use on my vinyl decks. I absolutely LOVE spinnin Serato on a pair of Technics! But the problem became that as I began to play out in bars and clubs very few venues still have 1200's in the booth. (I'm sure they are more common in hiphop clubs but I play all EDM venues) Of course Serato is nice because you have your whole library right there but the hassle of having to set up the box in the middle of a packed club while another DJ is spinning CD's started getting old. The other issue I have is that the EDM DJ scene here in Dallas has become more than just saturated with tons of laptop and midi controller freejays. Half of these kids aren't learning to actually beatmatch and mix, they learn on Virtual DJ and controlers like the NS7. I was spinnin a gig at a respected venue the other week where they have a pair of CDJ 2000's and a DJM900 mixer and the DJ who played after me brought in his huge ass NS7 controller and asked me to hook it up for him. -_- Why would you bring a damn controller when the club has a set up like that? You cant use the excuse that Serato has all his music because on the 2000's all you have to bring is a USB stick and all your library is there on the decks. It's because he wanted to stare at the damn waveforms. I'm sick of the stigma being associated with "laptop DJ's". I find it funny that at another gig one of the DJ's was train wrecking his whole set and when I said something about it a bunch of his DJ friends defended him by saying "It's because he's spinning CD's. Thats really hard to do!" WTF? Since when has beatmatching by ear become some "trick" that is hard for "DJ's" to do? Anyways, ever since I've gone back to spinning CD's or off the flash drive on 2000's I have had sooooo much more fun with my sets. Its so much more interactive and its funny to see people from the crowd come by the booth and be like "where's the laptop? how are you doing that?" I feel like Serato tends to make us DJ's a bit lazy. All I'm saying is I believe Serato is great with vinyl, but I feel it is completely useless on CDJ's unless you cant beatmatch by ear and have to rely on the waveforms.
I'll end my rant now. But seriously, has anyone else ditched Serato now that the CDJ 2000's have come out?
sixxx
9:31 PM - 2 February, 2012
So, are you expecting every venue to now have CDJ 2000's or are you bringing your own every time?
latindj
9:32 PM - 2 February, 2012
Your reasons don't really make much sense to me since there's really not much difference whether you use turntables or cdj's with serato. The whole idea with serato is to have the convenience of your entire music library at the touch of your hands...not because of the waveforms. Beat matching is beat matching any way you put it. Why not just place your laptop off to the side when you dj with the cdj's? There's really no difference with you loading your tracks from a USB stick or from your laptop using serato...IMO...
DJ Remy USA
9:36 PM - 2 February, 2012
I feel your pain but I would never ditch DVS, however sometimes when I gig out I warm up spinning vinyl only if I want people to know I can rock without the laptop but when its game time and I need to put my very best show on then Im rocking SSL.
You cant be concerned with what other DJs are doing and what others think. If you have skill and music is your passion it will show wether your performing with DVS or without.
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You cant be concerned with what other DJs are doing and what others think. If you have skill and music is your passion it will show wether your performing with DVS or without.
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DJ Remy USA
9:38 PM - 2 February, 2012
And to also add how hard it is to spin electronic music.......? Its really easy for us skilled DJs so it sounds like you just want to spin CDs so you can tell peeps that you keep it real or whatever
DJ Head
9:42 PM - 2 February, 2012
Obviously not all venues have the 2000's yet but the two that I frequent most do. They are fucking awesome to play on. But like I said earlier, most of the times I'm only playing a 1-2 hour set of all EDM so I dont need my whole library for oldies requests and stuff like that. A couple CD's loaded w/ bangers or a usb stick works wonders. I just feel like too many DJ's today (at least in my local scene) rely on the computer to do their work instead of their own skill. So @DJ Remy I guess you are right. Whatever it takes to standout from the handful of fakes. I'm not hating on Serato, I'm hating on the kids that can't spin without it.
sixxx
9:53 PM - 2 February, 2012
I understand what you're saying but you're not really ditching Serato. It seems to me that when you're guest DJing, you're going to be going this route. I don't see an issue with it. I hate guest DJing for an hour or whatever. I only do it on VERY RARE occasions.
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Obviously not all venues have the 2000's yet but the two that I frequent most do. They are fucking awesome to play on. But like I said earlier, most of the times I'm only playing a 1-2 hour set of all EDM so I dont need my whole library for oldies requests and stuff like that. A couple CD's loaded w/ bangers or a usb stick works wonders. I just feel like too many DJ's today (at least in my local scene) rely on the computer to do their work instead of their own skill. So @DJ Remy I guess you are right. Whatever it takes to standout from the handful of fakes. I'm not hating on Serato, I'm hating on the kids that can't spin without it.I understand what you're saying but you're not really ditching Serato. It seems to me that when you're guest DJing, you're going to be going this route. I don't see an issue with it. I hate guest DJing for an hour or whatever. I only do it on VERY RARE occasions.
sixxx
9:55 PM - 2 February, 2012
What everyone needs to do is figure out what set up will be at the gig before they get there and be prepared no matter what you use.
Laz219
10:05 PM - 2 February, 2012
"I find it funny that at another gig one of the DJ's was train wrecking his whole set and when I said something about it a bunch of his DJ friends defended him by saying "It's because he's spinning CD's. Thats really hard to do!" WTF? Since when has beatmatching by ear become some "trick" that is hard for "DJ's" to do?"
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I see a similar thing with photography right now too. I shoot mostly film and just use digital for work (need the quick turnaround) I also work in a camera store and that comes up quite often.
95% of people look at me like I'm crazy for using film. I get a bunch of people asking me questions like "but you can't see the photo then can you?" "doesn't it worry you they won't turn out right"
They've only used digital so anything else is a scary unknown to them.
Always interesting to see people that have only ever played DVS try and play on regular cds/vinyl. Usually all confidence until the first mix and then the pitch matching takes twice as long as usual. Especially when they don't know where to look since the screen is usually 'home base'
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I see a similar thing with photography right now too. I shoot mostly film and just use digital for work (need the quick turnaround) I also work in a camera store and that comes up quite often.
95% of people look at me like I'm crazy for using film. I get a bunch of people asking me questions like "but you can't see the photo then can you?" "doesn't it worry you they won't turn out right"
They've only used digital so anything else is a scary unknown to them.
Always interesting to see people that have only ever played DVS try and play on regular cds/vinyl. Usually all confidence until the first mix and then the pitch matching takes twice as long as usual. Especially when they don't know where to look since the screen is usually 'home base'
ZESH!
10:22 PM - 2 February, 2012
So you're going back to CDJs to show everyone you're keepin' it real?
Just when I thought I heard everything...
Keep Serato, AND use CDs as well. Then you'll REALLY stand out.
Just when I thought I heard everything...
Keep Serato, AND use CDs as well. Then you'll REALLY stand out.
DJ Head
10:57 PM - 2 February, 2012
It's not only about "keeping it real" as you so eloquently put it but I also find it much more fun and interactive. Like I said before, the whole benefit of Serato is having your whole library at your fingertips. So tell me what the benefit of running Serato on CDJ's is when you can have your whole library on USB and have it appear on the CDJ's? I know it probably looks like I'm trying to be some hipster or elitist here but c'mon, there's a thread on this forum titled "Club DJ's who still use headphones".
Dj-M.Bezzle
11:09 PM - 2 February, 2012
Ill let you know when a 2tb usb stick hits the market, also im not familiar with the cdjs but im guessing navigating a very large library on a laptop it much easier, also features like the dample deck arent on the cdjs...and cdjs dont do video
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So tell me what the benefit of running Serato on CDJ's is when you can have your whole lbrary on USB and have it appear on the CDJ's? .Ill let you know when a 2tb usb stick hits the market, also im not familiar with the cdjs but im guessing navigating a very large library on a laptop it much easier, also features like the dample deck arent on the cdjs...and cdjs dont do video
BattleFunk
12:06 AM - 3 February, 2012
One of my gigs is a 2 hour slot after another DJ who uses an SL1. Being able to turn up with just a USB stick would be ideal for me. It would save daisy chaining a 57 in to the club mixer and swapping the CDJ over to me when I'm ready (instant doubles). I dont use the sampler (who the fuck needs an airhorn?) or video, so a USB stick would make that gig real easy for me
L2daGee
12:15 AM - 3 February, 2012
Play on whatever you prefer. If you're a skilled DJ than it will show, regardless of your equipment preference.
DjWoody
12:31 AM - 3 February, 2012
DVJ's do. And there's plenty of them out there.
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.and cdjs dont do videoDVJ's do. And there's plenty of them out there.
DjWoody
12:33 AM - 3 February, 2012
Same here. If my residency had CDJ 2000's, I will probably quit using Serato. Just like OP, I have more fun playing CD's, than I do with Serato.
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One of my gigs is a 2 hour slot after another DJ who uses an SL1. Being able to turn up with just a USB stick would be ideal for me. It would save daisy chaining a 57 in to the club mixer and swapping the CDJ over to me when I'm ready (instant doubles). I dont use the sampler (who the fuck needs an airhorn?) or video, so a USB stick would make that gig real easy for meSame here. If my residency had CDJ 2000's, I will probably quit using Serato. Just like OP, I have more fun playing CD's, than I do with Serato.
Z-Point
1:39 AM - 3 February, 2012
DVJ's do. And there's plenty of them out there.
No there isn't. Clubs barely have 2000s.
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.and cdjs dont do videoDVJ's do. And there's plenty of them out there.
No there isn't. Clubs barely have 2000s.
Audio1
1:47 AM - 3 February, 2012
When I first bought Serato it was for use on my vinyl decks. I absolutely LOVE spinnin Serato on a pair of Technics! But the problem became that as I began to play out in bars and clubs very few venues still have 1200's in the booth. (I'm sure they are more common in hiphop clubs but I play all EDM venues) Of course Serato is nice because you have your whole library right there but the hassle of having to set up the box in the middle of a packed club while another DJ is spinning CD's started getting old.
Sounds like a lot of excuses if you ask me. In my area, 1200's are disappearing at an alarming rate. I adapted and learned how to use CDJ's with Serato. If showing up to a venue early to set up an SL1 is too much trouble for you, You might be DJing for the wrong reasons.
Again. It sounds like more excuses. You don't have to stare at waveforms all night to be a laptop DJ with Serato. Rule of Thumb: Place the laptop to the side, so you have an unobstructed view of your crowd.
Mix with whatever works for you. I feel like you make too many excuses to explain your logic.
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So I'm deciding to ditch Serato and just spin CD's. I was wondering if anyone else has ended up going this route? Here are my reasons why...When I first bought Serato it was for use on my vinyl decks. I absolutely LOVE spinnin Serato on a pair of Technics! But the problem became that as I began to play out in bars and clubs very few venues still have 1200's in the booth. (I'm sure they are more common in hiphop clubs but I play all EDM venues) Of course Serato is nice because you have your whole library right there but the hassle of having to set up the box in the middle of a packed club while another DJ is spinning CD's started getting old.
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Anyways, ever since I've gone back to spinning CD's or off the flash drive on 2000's I have had sooooo much more fun with my sets. Its so much more interactive and its funny to see people from the crowd come by the booth and be like "where's the laptop? how are you doing that?" I feel like Serato tends to make us DJ's a bit lazy. All I'm saying is I believe Serato is great with vinyl, but I feel it is completely useless on CDJ's unless you cant beatmatch by ear and have to rely on the waveforms.Mix with whatever works for you. I feel like you make too many excuses to explain your logic.
DJ Remy USA
2:11 AM - 3 February, 2012
spinning on DVS is way more fun than pure vinyl/cd mixing my sets are way more dynamic and hella funky. I'm not gonna lie without DVS I wouldn't have gotten into all these diff genres I prolly still be mixing Latin music only. Anyways DVS rocks
AIRX ONE
3:16 AM - 3 February, 2012
i know i lot of guys that just use cds now ... its kinda like some guys that just used tec 1200s back when cdjs came out thay feel that they are elitist or some shit ... so go head jump on the newest bandwagon and be that elitist punk ..... i love rocking 1200s or cdjs with ssl ... but prefer 1200s .................. I'm sooooo fucking cool all i use is cds lol
WarpNote
3:41 AM - 3 February, 2012
This.
And this.
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What everyone needs to do is figure out what set up will be at the gig before they get there and be prepared no matter what you use.Quote:
Play on whatever you prefer. If you're a skilled DJ than it will show, regardless of your equipment preference.
DJ ENUF
10:17 AM - 3 February, 2012
This guy keeps it real while spinning without waveforms or headphones! Watchwww.youtube.com
DJWALDO
11:58 AM - 3 February, 2012
Going all the way back to the original post........... just one simple question if I may....
Why you telling us?
Why you telling us?
phatbob
11:59 AM - 3 February, 2012
Anyone with any actual knowledge of hardware knows that mixing on 2000s with tracks quantised in Rekordbox and the bpm on screen to 1 decimal place is actually just as easy as staring at waveforms all night.
Switch for convenience, or your own enjoyment, but don't think you're going to get any more respect from those that know.
Switch for convenience, or your own enjoyment, but don't think you're going to get any more respect from those that know.
Eric N
6:17 PM - 3 February, 2012
DVJ's do. And there's plenty of them out there.
Just for the hell of it, I just looked up what used DVJs are going for. Was entertaining the idea that it could be fun to do video without a laptop sometimes.
NO THANKS, I'll stick with Serato! At least 1K each for really old units, PLUS unless you buy the Pioneer video mixer (averaging $5K+ buy it now), you're not going to be able to scratch/creatively transition videos (unless you use an outboard video mixing console, funk dat). Just the Pioneer switcher box for a clean A/B fade is like $400.
I could get a mint set of MK5Gs, a 62, and a new MBP for what it would cost to "keep it real" and not use a laptop!
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.and cdjs dont do videoDVJ's do. And there's plenty of them out there.
Just for the hell of it, I just looked up what used DVJs are going for. Was entertaining the idea that it could be fun to do video without a laptop sometimes.
NO THANKS, I'll stick with Serato! At least 1K each for really old units, PLUS unless you buy the Pioneer video mixer (averaging $5K+ buy it now), you're not going to be able to scratch/creatively transition videos (unless you use an outboard video mixing console, funk dat). Just the Pioneer switcher box for a clean A/B fade is like $400.
I could get a mint set of MK5Gs, a 62, and a new MBP for what it would cost to "keep it real" and not use a laptop!
Dj JesC
9:34 PM - 3 February, 2012
go back to cds, no one is gonna stop you. if using cerrato doesnt work for you. cool. Have fun burning cds and labeling them and sorts and carrying a thumbdrive, good for you.
Just dont ask to use anyones laptop cause the venue only has 1200's & no cdjs.
Just dont ask to use anyones laptop cause the venue only has 1200's & no cdjs.
SELECT
9:44 PM - 3 February, 2012
Some EDM guys like Roger Sanchez and Chuckie use only CD's. Yes they still show up with the CD books. I think its easier in some ways and not having to go through thousands of unnecessary tracks. To each his own. Im open format and have to cover so many genres unlike the guys I mentioned. Plus I think they got their sets planned out way ahead of time.
DJWALDO
9:59 PM - 3 February, 2012
It's always funny to watch the guy forget to put the flashlight down for photos and have to just drop it somewhere when it's time to mix then forget that it's not in the same spot it's always in and spend 5 seconds looking for it then turning it on and turning the pages in the cd book for 30 seconds then ejecting and loading a cd then put the last cd back then put the flashlight down and cue his mix....
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Put some music on a flash drive plug it in to the cdj2000 and it says error... turn off the cdj, turn it back on... retry the drive. It works.scroll. select a folder. scroll. select a subfolder. scroll. select song. push down. play, cue, play, cue, cue, cue, cue and go... now repeat for opposing deck.
NO THANKS would rather bring in 5 milk crates.
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Put some music on a flash drive plug it in to the cdj2000 and it says error... turn off the cdj, turn it back on... retry the drive. It works.scroll. select a folder. scroll. select a subfolder. scroll. select song. push down. play, cue, play, cue, cue, cue, cue and go... now repeat for opposing deck.
NO THANKS would rather bring in 5 milk crates.
DJ Head
11:26 PM - 3 February, 2012
Why you telling us?
I was asking if anyone else on here has been using Serato and had gone back to spinnin' on CDJs.
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Going all the way back to the original post........... just one simple question if I may....Why you telling us?
I was asking if anyone else on here has been using Serato and had gone back to spinnin' on CDJs.
phatbob
11:31 PM - 3 February, 2012
I'm gonna guess that logically, people who've done that probably don't then waste their time hanging out at the Serato forum...
DJ Tecniq
11:34 PM - 3 February, 2012
I will never go back to CDJ's. It's more fun on vinyl..turn a plastic platter, control pitch boom. Scratching on CDJ's sounds "nothing" like it does on Serato CV. And if you don't like the laptop infront then put it off to the side. Interact with the crowd instead of staring at serato.
spicaly
11:57 PM - 3 February, 2012
did you start dj'ing orginally with a dvs or with vinyl or cds? almost everyone i know thats came from either vinyl or cds has no intention of ever going back...
BattleFunk
4:22 AM - 4 February, 2012
Its funny as fuck watching you lot lose your damn mind every time someone mentions a CDJ - I bet most of you have not managed to complete one set on them and yet you write them off as if they're non-Christian
I'm surprised you're not cranking your cars to start them and writing by carving in stone
I also find it amusing those who think a 1200 is 'keeping it real' - you do know it was a MK2 that you're so fond of? Meaning there was something before that model? I don't see any of you 'keeping it real' with the MK1
I'm surprised you're not cranking your cars to start them and writing by carving in stone
I also find it amusing those who think a 1200 is 'keeping it real' - you do know it was a MK2 that you're so fond of? Meaning there was something before that model? I don't see any of you 'keeping it real' with the MK1
SELECT
2:38 PM - 4 February, 2012
Why you telling us?
I was asking if anyone else on here has been using Serato and had gone back to spinnin' on CDJs.
I use both, CDJs and Turntables. Most big name DJs out there do as well. Its a must if you want to travel and play at different venues where they favor one or the other. The are both industry standards. They both have their strengths. It all depends on your DJ style and gigs to which you might prefer. If your a turntablist/dj then nothing can compare to the turntables. The feel, size and overall control are perfect for your style of DJn. If your more of a "blender", yeah I hear that a lot, then CDJs are perfect for your style. The platter is awesome for straight mixing. Very easy to use and precise. I can pull off a lot of the same stuff I do on turntables, but it definitely doesn't feel the same. The platter control is just different.
Closest Ive seen to combining the two is the denon 3700 Watchwww.youtube.com
Flipside is also a monster on the turntables, but look here, he did his whole set on CDJs and killed-Watchwww.youtube.com
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Going all the way back to the original post........... just one simple question if I may....Why you telling us?
I was asking if anyone else on here has been using Serato and had gone back to spinnin' on CDJs.
I use both, CDJs and Turntables. Most big name DJs out there do as well. Its a must if you want to travel and play at different venues where they favor one or the other. The are both industry standards. They both have their strengths. It all depends on your DJ style and gigs to which you might prefer. If your a turntablist/dj then nothing can compare to the turntables. The feel, size and overall control are perfect for your style of DJn. If your more of a "blender", yeah I hear that a lot, then CDJs are perfect for your style. The platter is awesome for straight mixing. Very easy to use and precise. I can pull off a lot of the same stuff I do on turntables, but it definitely doesn't feel the same. The platter control is just different.
Closest Ive seen to combining the two is the denon 3700 Watchwww.youtube.com
Flipside is also a monster on the turntables, but look here, he did his whole set on CDJs and killed-Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Head
9:39 PM - 4 February, 2012
I guess I should have been more specific and said EDM DJ's. Obviously anyone into turntablism wouldn't be too into CDJ's. But that video of Flipside was pretty cool. I've seen people try to scratch on CDJ's before but never as well as he did in that video.
DJ Val-BKNY11203
12:53 PM - 5 February, 2012
There are alot of vids with DJ's scratching and pwning CDJ's.
reggae delgado
6:33 AM - 7 February, 2012
so much fun.
Word up! I went vinyl only for january, it was fun. Here's a quick 45s mix I made about it. More on the way.
www.aztlanroots.com
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when i mix vinyl these days, i only mix 45s.so much fun.
Word up! I went vinyl only for january, it was fun. Here's a quick 45s mix I made about it. More on the way.
www.aztlanroots.com
skinnyguy
9:58 AM - 7 February, 2012
Skratching on cdjs are the same for the most part. Whether or not if it sounds good depends on the person skratching. It's not entirely the equipment, its the person.
DJPremium
10:42 AM - 7 February, 2012
I can kinda understand someone switching to CDJ's, if you in a place where there are NO turntables to be found in the clubs anymore (fe. many countries in Europe).
What I'm seeing is that if there's still turntables in the booth, there are old and messed up, and more than not, used as stands for an extra pair of CDJ's..
What I'm seeing is that if there's still turntables in the booth, there are old and messed up, and more than not, used as stands for an extra pair of CDJ's..
DJ Remy USA
1:49 PM - 7 February, 2012
so much fun.
Word up! I went vinyl only for january, it was fun. Here's a quick 45s mix I made about it. More on the way.
www.aztlanroots.com
nice mix bro
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when i mix vinyl these days, i only mix 45s.so much fun.
Word up! I went vinyl only for january, it was fun. Here's a quick 45s mix I made about it. More on the way.
www.aztlanroots.com
nice mix bro
reggae delgado
6:54 AM - 8 February, 2012
so much fun.
Word up! I went vinyl only for january, it was fun. Here's a quick 45s mix I made about it. More on the way.
www.aztlanroots.com
nice mix bro
Thanks Remy! It ain't the cleanest, but I figure not too many of us have the 45s so I might as well spread my love of them. 3 more volumes droppin this month, if you love 45s.
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when i mix vinyl these days, i only mix 45s.so much fun.
Word up! I went vinyl only for january, it was fun. Here's a quick 45s mix I made about it. More on the way.
www.aztlanroots.com
nice mix bro
Thanks Remy! It ain't the cleanest, but I figure not too many of us have the 45s so I might as well spread my love of them. 3 more volumes droppin this month, if you love 45s.
Groove Factor
2:38 PM - 8 February, 2012
Yeah, playing top 40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music. LOL
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And to also add how hard it is to spin electronic music.......? Its really easy for us skilled DJsYeah, playing top 40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music. LOL
DJ Head
8:49 PM - 8 February, 2012
Well obviously spinning anything w/ a 4/4 beat is going to be easy as hell. But then again, how hard is it to beatmatch in the first place?
Groove Factor
8:55 PM - 8 February, 2012
Right, because the challenge of playing a house or techno set is the "beat matching"
Some of you guys have never heard a good DJ play a long set.....so you have no clue what you are talking about. Such a shame.
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Well obviously spinning anything w/ a 4/4 beat is going to be easy as hell. But then again, how hard is it to beatmatch in the first place?Right, because the challenge of playing a house or techno set is the "beat matching"
Some of you guys have never heard a good DJ play a long set.....so you have no clue what you are talking about. Such a shame.
DJ Head
10:03 PM - 8 February, 2012
All music is structured to where it can be phrased and mixed seamlessly whether that be EDM or hiphop. So beatmatching is beatmatching and phrasing is phrasing and mixing in key is the same for all genres. It's not like all hiphop DJ's are instantly better than EDM DJ's because their just like EDM is 4/4, hiphop is a breakbeat so your argument is kind of invalid. How hard is it to beatmatch two hiphop tracks? To me no different than mixing two EDM tracks.
Dj-M.Bezzle
10:20 PM - 8 February, 2012
Untrue, hip hop covers a wider range of bpms, for example 80 bom into100, you have to figure out routesto get around that instead of KNOWING the next track will def mix easily
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All music is structured to where it can be phrased and mixed seamlessly whether that be EDM or hiphop. So beatmatching is beatmatching and phrasing is phrasing and mixing in key is the same for all genres. It's not like all hiphop DJ's are instantly better than EDM DJ's because their just like EDM is 4/4, hiphop is a breakbeat so your argument is kind of invalid. How hard is it to beatmatch two hiphop tracks? To me no different than mixing two EDM tracks.Untrue, hip hop covers a wider range of bpms, for example 80 bom into100, you have to figure out routesto get around that instead of KNOWING the next track will def mix easily
sixxx
10:29 PM - 8 February, 2012
Right, because the challenge of playing a house or techno set is the "beat matching"
Some of you guys have never heard a good DJ play a BORING ASS long set.....so you have no clue what you are talking about. Such a shame.
Yeah... such a shame. hahaha
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Well obviously spinning anything w/ a 4/4 beat is going to be easy as hell. But then again, how hard is it to beatmatch in the first place?Right, because the challenge of playing a house or techno set is the "beat matching"
Some of you guys have never heard a good DJ play a BORING ASS long set.....so you have no clue what you are talking about. Such a shame.
Yeah... such a shame. hahaha
sixxx
10:30 PM - 8 February, 2012
You must be talking about extended intros for all hip hop then. lol
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All music is structured to where it can be phrased and mixed seamlessly whether that be EDM or hiphop.You must be talking about extended intros for all hip hop then. lol
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Groove Factor
1:52 AM - 9 February, 2012
Any DJ that knows how to program is NOT going from 80 to 100 in one mix. Hip hop is as easy or difficult as you chose to make it.
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Untrue, hip hop covers a wider range of bpms, for example 80 bom into100, you have to figure out routesto get around that instead of KNOWING the next track will def mix easilyAny DJ that knows how to program is NOT going from 80 to 100 in one mix. Hip hop is as easy or difficult as you chose to make it.
Groove Factor
1:53 AM - 9 February, 2012
Ignorance is bliss....exhibit A
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Yeah... such a shame. hahahaIgnorance is bliss....exhibit A
dj_soo
2:06 AM - 9 February, 2012
Yeah, playing top 40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music. LOL
as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.
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And to also add how hard it is to spin electronic music.......? Its really easy for us skilled DJsYeah, playing top 40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music. LOL
as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.
Dj-M.Bezzle
2:46 AM - 9 February, 2012
Any DJ that knows how to program is NOT going from 80 to 100 in one mix.
plenty do!
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Untrue, hip hop covers a wider range of bpms, for example 80 bom into100, you have to figure out routesto get around that instead of KNOWING the next track will def mix easilyAny DJ that knows how to program is NOT going from 80 to 100 in one mix.
plenty do!
Groove Factor
3:01 AM - 9 February, 2012
Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
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as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
Groove Factor
3:03 AM - 9 February, 2012
And most DJs are clueless idiots who wouldnt survive 5 minutes without master tempo.
Once in a while, a big BPM jump in one move is necessary....or even useful to jump start the room. But if you are regularly making 20 BPM jumps in one song...you have no clue how to program properly.
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plenty do!And most DJs are clueless idiots who wouldnt survive 5 minutes without master tempo.
Once in a while, a big BPM jump in one move is necessary....or even useful to jump start the room. But if you are regularly making 20 BPM jumps in one song...you have no clue how to program properly.
WarpNote
3:25 AM - 9 February, 2012
Personally, I agree to some extent, underground crowds are a lot more appreciative.
Mainstream crowds are generally more "uncool" and hard to please IMO.
Soo, I suspect you play underground more often than the garbage then?
That's a good thing though :)
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as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.Personally, I agree to some extent, underground crowds are a lot more appreciative.
Mainstream crowds are generally more "uncool" and hard to please IMO.
Soo, I suspect you play underground more often than the garbage then?
That's a good thing though :)
sixxx
3:26 AM - 9 February, 2012
Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
... "to an educated crowd"
... "music that no one knows..."
Make up your damn mind. This is why I think EDM DJ's are so overrated and most of the time talk out of their ass. Keep twisting them EQ knobs and doing the Jesus pose .
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as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
... "to an educated crowd"
... "music that no one knows..."
Make up your damn mind. This is why I think EDM DJ's are so overrated and most of the time talk out of their ass. Keep twisting them EQ knobs and doing the Jesus pose .
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Groove Factor
3:54 AM - 9 February, 2012
... "to an educated crowd"
... "music that no one knows..."
Make up your damn mind. This is why I think EDM DJ's are so overrated and most of the time talk out of their ass. Keep twisting them EQ knobs and doing the Jesus pose .
nm
WTF are you talking about?
Educated crowd means they appreciate DJing. They understand a tight transition, they have heard good DJs and know what a logical set sounds like, and the respond to subtle changes in the energy in the room. They dont have to be banged over the head with top 40 drivel to have a good time. They can appreciate quality music, whether the know the producer or not.
I dont expect a top 40 poser with his head up his own ass as you to get it -hence your reply.
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... "to an educated crowd"
... "music that no one knows..."
Make up your damn mind. This is why I think EDM DJ's are so overrated and most of the time talk out of their ass. Keep twisting them EQ knobs and doing the Jesus pose .
nm
WTF are you talking about?
Educated crowd means they appreciate DJing. They understand a tight transition, they have heard good DJs and know what a logical set sounds like, and the respond to subtle changes in the energy in the room. They dont have to be banged over the head with top 40 drivel to have a good time. They can appreciate quality music, whether the know the producer or not.
I dont expect a top 40 poser with his head up his own ass as you to get it -hence your reply.
dj_soo
4:48 AM - 9 February, 2012
Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
oh no, I'm totally doing it right - I've been DJing EDM for over 10 years spanning many styles and genres from dnb to breaks to house to dubstep to garage, and many things in between. Hell, I often get paid to tour playing underground music to educated and music loving crowds that appreciate DJing.
That's what makes it so much easier - you're djing to a group of music lovers more often than not. These are people that actually care about music and therefore you get to play what you want and what you consider good and for the most part - unless you absolutely suck - it's a pretty easy gig since you're playing good music all night. On top of that, many times you've already got a baseline in a style or genre to work from. Techno heads are going to a techno show to expect to hear techno - so long as you have good taste in techno and can hold a mix, you're probably going to do well. If you produce or are in good with producers and can secure a bunch of exclusives, even better...
Top 40 crowds are bitches. Straight up. But they are fickle and it's so much easier to lose a dance floor within a song than it is any sort of underground set - you have to think much further ahead, be ready to change shit at a moments notice, and on top of that, you have to put a lot of your own preferences aside to please the crowd. Sure you can play the hits and probably not mix a thing and still please a few of the donkeys, but to play to a top 40 crowd *well* is imo a much, much harder task than playing for any educated dj crowd.
Do I prefer to play to an educated, music-loving crowd? Always - I'm trying to move my career in that direction where I can just ditch the top40 djing entirely but you're fooling yourself if you think it's a harder gig. It's a harder gig to make money from sure, but is it a harder gig to DJ? No way.
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as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
oh no, I'm totally doing it right - I've been DJing EDM for over 10 years spanning many styles and genres from dnb to breaks to house to dubstep to garage, and many things in between. Hell, I often get paid to tour playing underground music to educated and music loving crowds that appreciate DJing.
That's what makes it so much easier - you're djing to a group of music lovers more often than not. These are people that actually care about music and therefore you get to play what you want and what you consider good and for the most part - unless you absolutely suck - it's a pretty easy gig since you're playing good music all night. On top of that, many times you've already got a baseline in a style or genre to work from. Techno heads are going to a techno show to expect to hear techno - so long as you have good taste in techno and can hold a mix, you're probably going to do well. If you produce or are in good with producers and can secure a bunch of exclusives, even better...
Top 40 crowds are bitches. Straight up. But they are fickle and it's so much easier to lose a dance floor within a song than it is any sort of underground set - you have to think much further ahead, be ready to change shit at a moments notice, and on top of that, you have to put a lot of your own preferences aside to please the crowd. Sure you can play the hits and probably not mix a thing and still please a few of the donkeys, but to play to a top 40 crowd *well* is imo a much, much harder task than playing for any educated dj crowd.
Do I prefer to play to an educated, music-loving crowd? Always - I'm trying to move my career in that direction where I can just ditch the top40 djing entirely but you're fooling yourself if you think it's a harder gig. It's a harder gig to make money from sure, but is it a harder gig to DJ? No way.
dj_soo
4:54 AM - 9 February, 2012
Personally, I agree to some extent, underground crowds are a lot more appreciative.
Mainstream crowds are generally more "uncool" and hard to please IMO.
Soo, I suspect you play underground more often than the garbage then?
I wish.
trying tho...
Well, trying to make money off it at least... that's the hard part.
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as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.Personally, I agree to some extent, underground crowds are a lot more appreciative.
Mainstream crowds are generally more "uncool" and hard to please IMO.
Soo, I suspect you play underground more often than the garbage then?
I wish.
trying tho...
Well, trying to make money off it at least... that's the hard part.
WarpNote
5:20 AM - 9 February, 2012
Keep doing it Soo!
Again, I like your mixes on you site a lot, any new/current ones out?
Again, I like your mixes on you site a lot, any new/current ones out?
dj_soo
5:23 AM - 9 February, 2012
got a new one in the works - all tracks by me and wood. Been focusing more on making tunes these days than making mixtapes.
That said, I have like 5 or 6 mixes worth of materials that I've been meaning to make...
That said, I have like 5 or 6 mixes worth of materials that I've been meaning to make...
DJ Remy USA
12:46 PM - 9 February, 2012
Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
... "to an educated crowd"
... "music that no one knows..."
Make up your damn mind. This is why I think EDM DJ's are so overrated and most of the time talk out of their ass. Keep twisting them EQ knobs and doing the Jesus pose .
nm
I choose not comment on what he said cause I didnt wanna sound like I was attacking the guy but my thoughts exactly
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as someone who plays both top 40 garbage sets and 5 hour underground dance music sets i will have to say that playing top40 garbage is much harder than programming a 5 hour set of underground dance music.Then you are not doing it right. No way, no how is playing the hits, where the popularity of the music guides the energy - harder than playing 5 hours of music that no one knows....where you programming is the only thing that makes the night flow.
I played top 40 and hip hop for 15 years and that this is DEAD EASY compared to playing house or techno for an educated underground crowd.
... "to an educated crowd"
... "music that no one knows..."
Make up your damn mind. This is why I think EDM DJ's are so overrated and most of the time talk out of their ass. Keep twisting them EQ knobs and doing the Jesus pose .
nm
I choose not comment on what he said cause I didnt wanna sound like I was attacking the guy but my thoughts exactly
Groove Factor
1:47 PM - 9 February, 2012
Figures a bunch of Serato DJs have all the grand opinions on underground electronic music.
All the best EDM DJs use Traktor anyway :)
All the best EDM DJs use Traktor anyway :)
DJ DisGrace
3:04 PM - 9 February, 2012
All the best EDM "DJs" are actually just producers anyway. no dj skill required :)
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SELECT
3:13 PM - 9 February, 2012
I spin both. Your stupid if you say one is harder to mix than the other. Its all in how creative YOU are. Hip hop is very hard to mix because a lot of tracks dont have INTRO's and vary greatly in bpms. Now if all your hip hop tracks have intros then there is no difference from spinning EDM, none!! Shit Im even seeing a lot of the Latin tracks coming with intros! Its almost like they are making every track like EDM music. So with that said EDM is way much easier to mix in, but then it takes a lot more to set yourself apart and be creative... and that goes for any genre.
SELECT
3:17 PM - 9 February, 2012
All the best EDM "DJs" are actually just producers anyway. no dj skill required :)
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Lol. True, but there are some standout guys. Roger Sanchez really uses 4 decks when he spins, he works it. Watchwww.youtube.com
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Figures a bunch of Serato DJs have all the grand opinions on underground electronic music.All the best EDM "DJs" are actually just producers anyway. no dj skill required :)
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Lol. True, but there are some standout guys. Roger Sanchez really uses 4 decks when he spins, he works it. Watchwww.youtube.com
Blackdevil77
3:25 PM - 9 February, 2012
I'm a noob at DJ-ng and love the simplicity of serato. Although, I do still mix at home using CD's and my ears to keep my abilities where they should be
dj_soo
6:20 PM - 9 February, 2012
All the best EDM "DJs" are actually just producers anyway. no dj skill required :)
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Lol. True, but there are some standout guys. Roger Sanchez really uses 4 decks when he spins, he works it. Watchwww.youtube.com
Jeff Milligan is another dude who's pretty amazing on the decks mixing 4 turntables of vinyl and serato.
Anytime some n00b goes on and on about how sync is necessary for mixing more than 2 decks, I point them at this guy.
Watchwww.youtube.com
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Figures a bunch of Serato DJs have all the grand opinions on underground electronic music.All the best EDM "DJs" are actually just producers anyway. no dj skill required :)
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Lol. True, but there are some standout guys. Roger Sanchez really uses 4 decks when he spins, he works it. Watchwww.youtube.com
Jeff Milligan is another dude who's pretty amazing on the decks mixing 4 turntables of vinyl and serato.
Anytime some n00b goes on and on about how sync is necessary for mixing more than 2 decks, I point them at this guy.
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ DisGrace
6:39 PM - 9 February, 2012
haha Sanchez destroyed the channel 3 fader in the first mix... cheap faders as usual. I've seen them snap clean off!
DJ Remy USA
10:12 PM - 9 February, 2012
All the best EDM "DJs" are actually just producers anyway. no dj skill required :)
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DJ Remy USA
10:14 PM - 9 February, 2012
i was doing latin intro edits in 2005 and that shit is huge now a days. In fact most new latin DJs can mix there way outta of wet paper bag without those edits. Oh welll
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SELECT
2:17 PM - 10 February, 2012
i was doing latin intro edits in 2005 and that shit is huge now a days. In fact most new latin DJs can mix there way outta of wet paper bag without those edits. Oh welll
Wow since 2005 damn you were way ahead of the curve! You know having an intro makes mixing so easy nowadays. You gotta really suck to not be able to mix using them.
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Shit Im even seeing a lot of the Latin tracks coming with intros!quote]i was doing latin intro edits in 2005 and that shit is huge now a days. In fact most new latin DJs can mix there way outta of wet paper bag without those edits. Oh welll
Wow since 2005 damn you were way ahead of the curve! You know having an intro makes mixing so easy nowadays. You gotta really suck to not be able to mix using them.
DJ Remy USA
8:21 PM - 10 February, 2012
i was doing latin intro edits in 2005 and that shit is huge now a days. In fact most new latin DJs can mix there way outta of wet paper bag without those edits. Oh welll
Wow since 2005 damn you were way ahead of the curve! You know having an intro makes mixing so easy nowadays. You gotta really suck to not be able to mix using them.
yea I was for that time but I was somewhat or prodcuer before I started DJing so I immedaitely knew that making steady beat intro for music would make me sound better than I actually was....now look years later the majority cant mix without them
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Shit Im even seeing a lot of the Latin tracks coming with intros!quote]i was doing latin intro edits in 2005 and that shit is huge now a days. In fact most new latin DJs can mix there way outta of wet paper bag without those edits. Oh welll
Wow since 2005 damn you were way ahead of the curve! You know having an intro makes mixing so easy nowadays. You gotta really suck to not be able to mix using them.
yea I was for that time but I was somewhat or prodcuer before I started DJing so I immedaitely knew that making steady beat intro for music would make me sound better than I actually was....now look years later the majority cant mix without them
STU82
12:42 PM - 19 February, 2012
i use serato when i play out due to the fact i can have thousands of tunes with me, but i started out mixing vinyl before moving on to cd's and then serato (only two years ago). Most clubs you play in these days you see DJ's mixing with waveforms, sometimes even without headphones. My opinion is these guys cant mix with just cd's or vinyl but that is how it is these days, I suppose as long as people are dancing no one cares anymore (Except us)
djSMIRK
9:23 PM - 19 February, 2012
i use 1200s at home and use CDJ100s (yes, 100s not 1000s) for mobile gigs
derp derp.
derp derp.
DJ Head
1:07 AM - 2 March, 2012
Well it looks like all I can spin now is CD's. My Macbook Pro was stolen this week. :(
djvtyme85
1:19 AM - 2 March, 2012
If you dont want to take your laptop out just use some CDJs with the link function & a thumb drive. Same effect. I haven't tried it but if you dont want to take ya laptop there ya go. It'll be a bitch if you can't find a song though but then again a lean library would help that if your trying to keep it "real"
echa1945mf
8:19 PM - 6 March, 2012
different crowds between Underground EDM and top 40 , all has its good and bad ...all has is plus and minus , but this underground vs top nonsense is funny ... who cares dude , everything and everyone has its place,dont need to fight over who has the bigger dick
if youre a true EDM lover from the start you should have know P.L.U.R ,love all ! big props to the turntablist who rips it down like madness on the 1200,and big props to the underground movers that spend hours building up journey of sounds and energy
only noobs fights over whos best
if youre a true EDM lover from the start you should have know P.L.U.R ,love all ! big props to the turntablist who rips it down like madness on the 1200,and big props to the underground movers that spend hours building up journey of sounds and energy
only noobs fights over whos best
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