You guys have to see this. This kid is delusional.

First post about his super fantastic ultra hip hop sets. Gets into Serato a while in.
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Second post about wack DJs not keeping it "real" with Vinyl.
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Thats my homie DJ Wicked... Hes a vinyl purist and stands behind the format. No one can change that. Like, He dont mind what I do, He still doesnt like the technology aspect of DJing.. To Each their own.

and its the DJ Wicked from the bay, Not the homie from Portland (whos hella Ill too)!

Thats fine and dandy, but to call other DJs fagg*ts and wack because they use it is not cool.

Yeah, don't be mad cause you ain't got $500 to spend on some software.

I respect Wicked's opinion because it is true that djs who have never purchased a single piece of vynil can buy serato and copy someone's harddrive (which i don't advocate) and easily have all the classics without digging.

If we the veteran djs do not embrace technology, then we will be left behind and not advance our skills as djs. Innovation is good!

Hahahahaha...wicked compares himself to premier....

"I had forgotton about the Skee-Lo joint "I Wish" until someone requested it about 2 months back."

Well damn, at least he's got the OG pressing of THAT.


Element #518295627364 of hip hop: Saltiness.

Pretty paint by numbers collection for such a "real" Dj.


Don't even get me strted on his "Reggae" (and I use the term loosely) selections.

I dunno about u guys up top, but i completely understand and stand behind this dude 100%. I mean yea I'm on Serato, but I definately paid my dues. Collecting vinyl since 15 up to about 3 years ago.....

I totally agree and have said VERY VERY OFTEN on this forum, if you never touched vinyl, before you bought serato...you got no business standing behind the decks...

or even if you go straight digital off the bat....if you got the love for music, do your thing.

if you're in it for money, popularity, or to just be "the dj" move the fuck along to another hobby.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with trying to restrict an entire culture to just one medium. To me THAT'S not Hip Hop.

And I've been buying records since I was 7!

(Take that Sniffles!)

;p

i'm not saying restrict an entire culture.

i'm saying do what you love doing as a dj. i mean people giving him shit, like, clowning him for using records, or saying, oh that track list is retarded and shouldnt be in a club, or how you gonna make money u broke ass.....

ignorant people who only see one side of djing. he's not saying noone should play top 40, he's saying its not his style.

also.....as far as the culture
if you're playing for soley money, popularity, and such....ur not apart of the culture. no at all

Yo, The cats got a point about wack ass DJ's popping out of the woodwork.

I agree with that. The part I don't agree with is calling everyone else weak when they upgrade technology and try to up their game.

It seems as tho everyone needs to find the happy medium.

I don't hate the cat for using vinyl, But remember to each his own. This trend will die off soon enough...We just all need to be patient.

Those records are the perfect soundtrack........for the bedroom DJ that has no hope of leaving it!

Everytime i go to hip hop shows they have serato or final scratch. Even on the hip hop honors theyve been using it.

hahaha clueless

you think the only clubs that exist are clubs that play top 40?

u must be an mtv addict

he doesnt have soulja boy on his list.....how could he get threw a night?

I really dont think this topic will die anytime soon with deejays. I agree their shouldnt be 1 way of spinning. U gotta go with what you believe and what you're confortable. Personally....I deejay with both serato and vinyl.

I believe these days it makes me a better deejay. Reason I say that is cause even tho we play other people's music, the way we mix them together makes us different. And the way we mix is a lot like our fingerprints....everyone is different. I could mix go just as quick using both mediums than peepz using just serato.

What I dont like is fact that strictly vinyl deejays call serato users names like they are jukebox deejays and stuff like that. But I also agree with them. I really think the newbies should start off using regular vinyl...if you respect the culture you have chosen to learn....u gotta start from the beginning. Trust me its the only way you will learn it right!

I sure I wont stop bringin at least 2 bags of real vinyl to a gig anytime soon. One: to keep it real and i really enjoy beat jugglin the old fashion way. and two: You shouldnt really trust on a machine u cant fix on the fly or have a backup ready. I'm tired of seeing these post on the HELP forum saying IM AT A GIG AND MY PC ISNT WORKIN.....HELP HELP HELP. U always gotta be prepared!

I guess some DJ's still havnt figured out that thats what serato is for,So that you can still spin "Vinyl style" with the digital convinience.I could never get into the CDJ's after starting with vinyl although it seemed like a good for convinience idea,Thank God for SSL.

And if Mo Fo's really were keping it real and Old School,they would be using Victrola's instead of there 1200's.I can respect proving a point but in this case it's a waist of time

Waist? lol

Aaaaanyway, it's OK if you're a vinyl purist. I love vinyl even if it's inconvenient but to be calling SSL users faggots or whatever is plain childish. I bet you that dude couldn't or wouldn't dare say that to my face or the face of many other ssl users.

I'd love to see the day where KRS rolled through this dude's spot with a track on CD and homeboy couldn't play it.

So if we are suppossed to start with real vinyl, what should the CD DJs start off with?

two transistor radio's???

Ha ha ha!!!!!

Even better whats more realer.. the Gangstarr CD or Vinyl record? The Blackmoon CD or the Vinyl Record. etc..

CD's arent hip hop! Am I right?

only if you tape up your que point's

Nice way to trying to make a point... and failing SELECT. lol

I try I try.. ha.

Just signed up here, hope this isn't too much of a long-winded thing, I'm a bit bored at work and reading those posts that WICKED put up got me thinking.....

Personally, I've been collecting vinyl since I was 8 years old, I'm now 30. I've got over 5,000 slabs of 12" vinyl (albums and singles), and a few hundred 7" singles. I DJ out regularly in clubs and pubs using my vinyl. I make beats with MCs and remix other artists work, and scratch up choruses on my tracks quite a lot.
OG Vinyl is and always will be a majorly important thing to me, as a consequence me and the missus ended up having a room built at the end of the garden to keep my decks and records in, because I had too many for the house.

However, Scratchlive is a Godsend. I can rip my OG vinyls and rare ones onto my hard drive, and now I can work on scratch routines without fucking my vinyls up. I can also play and scratch tracks I picked up on CDs as if they were vinyl, and use promo MP3s for my radio show, scratching em in to sets.

I took my Scratchlive to a gig a few weeks ago, and the laptop crashed, leaving us in silence at 12.30am, waiting for everything to reboot. (That turned out to be a laptop problem, and I've since got it switched for a better one. Teething issues!) But that's no different to having an amp blow, or the system cut out. That's happened many times before to me since I started DJing in clubs when I was 18.

Scratchlive *can* exist in a world alongside vinyl - I can understand people getting worked up about people buying it, downloading loads of tracks and then "DJing" out, but for people who know what they're doing and are competent DJs anyway, surely embracing the positives is going to be the best answer.

Are the local clubs / pubs going to book *me* to play there, as an established (local) DJ who can scratch, mix, blend and do a bit of beatjuggling? (And get a crowd going.) Or some newbie who copied his uncle's hard drive last week and has only just worked out how to press play on a 1200?

It's a shame that people don't embrace the innovations.... if people stay where they are then we'd all be listening to 8 track tapes. Or 78s. Or wax cylinders.

But he is one of those people, only seeing one side of Djing...his side is the "real side" and everybody else are wack faggots.

And as for top 40 not being his style...look at that list, it's like the top 40 of "Real Hip Hop". How much more cliche than that can you get?

From the standard KRS-One quote on his myspace to his talk about "Seeing the original 'Til Infinty with the blue vinyl"

Gee, you're really going deep there buddy... is that what you play when you're really keeping it real? And let me guess, when you really want to surprise people you mix it in with T.R.O.Y. right? Because that's how real Dj's play....in fact so much that every single last one of these "Real Hip Hop" Dj's plays that shit in that exact same order no matter where you go on the third planet from the sun.

I mean even his rant is cliche, how many times have we heard that same bullshit over and over again on these very boards?


Serato didn't invent this problem. I remember nuff cats who got their whole set ups for Christmas with the same paint by numbers records and the brand new pretty 12's with Vestax 05's and they were instant Dj's too...what's the difference now? The tools have changed is all. And yeah I agree, the thought of some clown hitting up Kazaa for an all nighter and by morning he's a Dj turns my stomach too but that's about as far as I think about it, because when I'm out playing I'm still one of the top dogs in my game and no download Dj is going to take that shine away from me in a back to back setting.

Do you, I'll do me, and let them do them and we'll see who's stlll standing at the end of it all.

Good call....

co-sign

What difference does it make if someone begins their DJ career with vinyl, CD's or a hard drive?
I can give a copy of my hard drive to any and everybody who wants to start spinning just like I could set them up with vinyl and they probably couldn't rock the party any better because they don't know the music or don't understand how to read the crowd.

As far as I'm concerned WICKED is a wake ass dude just on the strength that he looks down his nose at anyone who doesn't use vinyl.
Odds are that he's never taken more then 5 minutes to use the software to experience it in action. I've flipped quite a few "TRUE DJ/HIP HOP PURISTS" to Serato with just a 30 minute demo.

To each his own....vinyl, mp3, cd, cassette decks, 8 tracks...it doesn't matter at the end of the day if you can rock the crowd. I'm just tired of people being so judgemental about how it's being done. Digital jocks are looking down on vinyl jocks (I've been guilty of it too). Vinyl jocks are looking down on digital jocks.

Hip hop lives through us...DJs, MC's, producers and the fans...not in or on the vinyl.

To each their own, however I don't appreciate those who shove their beliefs down other DJ's throats.

There are just as many ways to become a DJ as there are DJs in the world.

skimmed through the records he plays, seems like he'd be able to open a night but after 2 hours its gonna get boring.. same old records we all been playing for 10+ years..

I got a better collection than this dude in both vinyl AND now in mp3's and I could put a better show just for the simple fact that I have a wider selection to choose from by not having to bring all my vinyl.

It's cool that he has originals and guess what, some of us do too, but we aint stupid enough to 1. Break our backs carrying all that shit from gig to gig. 2. Ruing our dope vinyl or putting it at risk anymore.

"I'm a realist. You can't stop technology. You get people who say, 'Oh my God, Serato is killing vinyl.'
Vinyl was going to die."

-DJ Jazzy Jeff

Jeff's a little intense about it, but I think it's a good point.

Great point

i wonder if people who collected cassettes were pissed at people who got cd's when they came out.....

1. Innovate or Die

2. Never starve for your art.

3. Don't just talk about it, be about it.

After 20 years being a DJ these have served me well.

or I wonder if when the first phonograph came out in 1877, people were like, "I'm keeping it real, I ain't listen to that shit in my house. Portable music is for faggots. Real heads got to the concert hall for music." If they kept it real, how would technology have progressed from the first phonograph to the 1200. Without progression there wouldn't have even be djs today.

On a side note, I think composers, like Mozart and Bach, were the original djs. If you think about, the were mixing different instruments together, like violins and trombones (like to 12"s) to make symphonies (mixtapes).

+100..Mozart and Bach..THE ORIGINAL GANGSTERS!

The real crazy thing is that before Serato...Jeff was using CDJ's almost 50% of the time.
I saw him spinning at a club in Philly and I was kind of disappointed by that. For some reason I just don't like CD turntables. It's just my personal hang up I guess because I know that they work very well.
I had always said that the day I couldn't use my Turntables anymore was the day that I was going to walk away from Spinning.

Thank you Serato!!!!!

P.S. I'm sure that I would have gone and picked up a pair of CDJ's and kept it moving...LOL

agree with u to a point though...i believe they wouldnt be considered djs but producers instead...we as djs mix two TRACKS together...(even when we're working with instrumentals such instrumentals have been put together by combining instruments...even if u made the instrumental when u were making it u were producing it...not 'djing' it)...which is what they did back in those days...put instruments together to form a symphony = producing...IMO

For me Serato is keeping vinyl alive so to speak. There were times I'd walk into a new gig and all I would get is frowns when I'd setup my turntables. Seriously some people would get worried Id by playing 80's tunes all night. They had no idea people still played on Vinyl. This was like last year. Now its, "WOW sweet setup". Serato has even converted DJs who played on CDs back to vinyl. Ive switched two over myself personally. They all say the same thing. Nothing can compare to the control or feel of vinyl.

I guess I would have to agree. Saying that they were the original djs would be a bit of a stretch, but they were definitely the first producers though.

he said:

and stop reading at that point...

he is so self-centered in his opinion that he ends up being a total idiot while expressing it - i was with him when he start saying that he doesn't play what he doesn't like - more power to him... but all the bashing is just plain stupid...

... seemed to me like inquisition - if we can't explain it and it isn't on our side, then it's a mighty force we should ban and hate...

what a muppet - big props for still getting gigs playing strickly what he wants - then again, for 100 people for 100bucks... goes around comes around...

.. i learned to like timberlake... i had to remix it, edit it and twisted it... i play it my way.. but i still play it... same goes for aguilera, britney, will.i.am and etc.

in the end, and for calling me idiot for using my favorite tool of all times that allows me to transform in vinyl all my music, he is a fucker

JAZZY JEFF in Toronto tonight

WICKED is a vinyl fiend and I dont see anything wrong with that. If he thinks im lesser of a DJ for using Serato, Thats on him. He knows I own slabs of original wax. Its just a crazy thought, knowing alot of DJ's nowadays are using Serato or CDJ's.

how close minded can one be ?

if he doesn't understand the concept then i'll excuse him... there will always someone that simply just don't get it...

maybe he's that one

same goes for CDJ's who hate Serato DJ's and claim that CD's are superior than vinyl.

CDJ's suck...


Everyone knows that?

[Quiet Wicked!] Sorry..he got access to my keyboard for a moment..The burlap sack accidentaly opened up.

I use both..and like both.

“The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas -- uncertainty, progress, change -- into crimes.”

-- Salman Rushdie, 1990

and that any time you can steal his job cuz you have serato and he dont.and if he's not a battle dj he should STFU about vinyl cuz and dj that spins anywhere besize batteling and dont have serato is crazy.and he's one I thought what he though about serato dj's but In A battle Dj Mine of frame Then I was like but for the club its a killer and im not limited no more I can rock any gig thanks to serato.and dj's that spin cdj and think serato is wack.joke's on you.

again, if wicked is saying that strictly uses vinyl because it sounds better it's one thing.. because it's superior to cds it's, seriously, ok..

.. now if he's comparing that to using a program that transforms whatever sound into something playable by moving a record back or forth, then we're (the seratos) are not the ones in need of putting our minds together..

music evolved in every single way in the past 10 years - by that i mean that technology had a huge impact on pushing it beyond unthinkable limits - imo: as long as one is aware of when djing stops and microwaving starts we're are safe to say we're sane

I think that Wicked doesn't want to leave his comfort zone. He has found a style, and niche to hibernate in. He refuses to leave that cave because to him, there is nothing outside the box.

Once he leaves that cave, he will be forced to adapt to a new concept and that would be extremely difficult to accomplish, therefore It is much easiar to play the same sets over and over again without the need for new technological creativity.

Everyone has a right to stay in there comfort zone. I still record my mixes on tapes because I refuse to use new technology.

"Bullshit spills even from the finest toilets."

-- Anonymous.

Both very good quotes.

real hip hop.... his statements crack me up... I love people that say if you aint rockin this then you aint really doing it. W.i.c.k.e.d. In love with vinly and Im in love with serato (no homo) Live your life and i'll live mine but quit bashing you sound like a 12 year old.