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The future of DJing and SSL2
What features would you like to see in Serato software?

The future of DJing and SSL2

DJK 10:11 AM - 7 July, 2005
I have been looking very seriously at doing video in my sets. The pioneer dvj-x1 is really amazing! What a great way to stand out from other DJ's and get those gigs! Here is the problem: Price. It is absolutely rediculous how much they cost. While they are the first of their kind, and there are no competing models to drive a healthy market place, I still just cant justify that kind of money.

Here is one of the greatest ideas that has ever hit me, Make SSL2 support Video, or in other words use anologue records, or the control CD's to turn any piece of DJ gear into a dvj-x1. Think about it for a minute, and the aplications it would have on DJing as well as the market. I don't think that it really is that far off from how SSL works now, you would simply be mapping a MPG or whatever type of file it was instead of an MP3 or WAV. The scratch box would have to have a small makeover to support the video outs, but I think it is probably not that unrealistic?
nik39 10:24 AM - 7 July, 2005
Mods, please add video support to the thread "Feature Suggestion Index – Read me first!", it has been suggested a couple of times before.
DJK 10:55 AM - 7 July, 2005
You ever heard of Pming them?
dj dawn 11:14 AM - 7 July, 2005
I agree with DJK... video is the future and if Serato want to stay as the leading company for computer bazed dj-ing they must start thinking about video!
nik39 12:09 PM - 7 July, 2005
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You ever heard of Pming them?

You ever heard of searching before posting? Dont think that you are so smart and the first one having that video idea, it has been posted several times before. So search before you post.
nobspangle 1:13 PM - 7 July, 2005
can we leave our handbags at home please?
DJK 4:32 PM - 7 July, 2005
No kidding, whats your problem?
mexicannnnnn 4:40 PM - 7 July, 2005
Yeah I was requesting Serato that we make this an Open source project for the SL1.

We would use the CV1/2 to control the video and audio and just outsput the video as a dual display. There are programs that do it now like Ms pinky and Nueromixer but I they both dont do what I want....
mexicannnnnn 4:41 PM - 7 July, 2005
BTW still waiting to hear back from Serato.
nik39 6:05 PM - 7 July, 2005
mex, there are no ASIO drivers yet available, which means you had to diassemble their drivers amd hooks, which doesnt sound good and reliable.
mexicannnnnn 6:19 PM - 7 July, 2005
nik I was hoping that Serato would help out in that case. They could give me the complied code which wouldnt be open source but it is a work around for the drivers. Or they could design a library for the open source project that we could use.... there are many ways around it.
DJ 3pm 6:42 PM - 7 July, 2005
i already paid my $500 for the programmers to keep programming, not to reverse-engineer their software to work for other uses. maybe my view will change when p'n't is released, but until then i want them hopped up on mountain dew coding away @ v1.5.
nik39 6:48 PM - 7 July, 2005
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They could give me the complied code which wouldnt be open source but it is a work around for the drivers.

HEhe, I doubt they will do that. Its their capital! And you could be anyone, you could even be from stanton ;-) Besides that, I doubt they will support officially any open source project which has to do with SSLs core app, means helper tools are fine, but anything which has their hands on the mission critical parts... forget it. I understand that in a way, _if_ your plugin crashes, it will be SSLs fault and degrade SSLs quality software image. Just my thoughts.

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reverse-engineer their software to work for other uses.

Well you can see it from a different POV, opening SSL for plugins/helpertools etc. would make it possible to get functionality which the SSL devs doesnt take as important as you might do, and therefore wont be implemented due to limited ressources and money.
mexicannnnnn 7:45 PM - 7 July, 2005
@ nik, how would they loose capital on this... if anything they would gain cuz VJ/DJ who would want to use this app would need to buy the SL1 so they are still getting paid and they are not doing any of the actuall coding of the project (unless they want to on their own time).
Also.. me from Stanton... did you read my newest poll on the NI forums...

It wont be a plug-in. It will be a completly seperate program.

Who will have control over it? You, me, everyone, anyone who wants to take part in it. Its an open source project so if you don't like something change it.

@3PM programmers would not be working on the opensource project (unless they want to on their free time) so your money wont be going towards any coders on the open source project.
nik39 12:48 AM - 8 July, 2005
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nik, how would they loose capital on this

I meant if they would give out their code to you/anyone. The capital lies inside the code.

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Also.. me from Stanton... did you read my newest poll on the NI forums..

Ah come on, you know that I know youre a good guy ;-) I just meant basically they wont give out the code, not to you, not to me, not to any beta tester/whatever. I guess you wont see the code if you dont work for Serato and you need to see it cause your a dev'.

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It wont be a plug-in. It will be a completly seperate program.

Yeah, but right now you would need their assistance due to the lack of driver support. With ASIO it would look different, but then... why use it esp. for SSL? If it works with ASIO it should work with any ASIO device, even FS.
dj dawn 8:57 AM - 8 July, 2005
If SSL is going to support video...I'd like to see that the Serato team develop it!
mexicannnnnn 2:08 PM - 8 July, 2005
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Yeah, but right now you would need their assistance due to the lack of driver support. With ASIO it would look different, but then... why use it esp. for SSL? If it works with ASIO it should work with any ASIO device, even FS.


If it was ASIO then yeah it would be much easier, but if not all they would need to do is just give me the compiled code that detects the control signal and tell me all the names of the functions and what they do. .....
nik39 2:11 PM - 8 July, 2005
Say a little prayer ;-) Good luck.
s42000 4:15 PM - 8 July, 2005
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I have been looking very seriously at doing video in my sets. The pioneer dvj-x1 is really amazing! What a great way to stand out from other DJ's and get those gigs! Here is the problem: Price. It is absolutely rediculous how much they cost. While they are the first of their kind, and there are no competing models to drive a healthy market place, I still just cant justify that kind of money.

Here is one of the greatest ideas that has ever hit me, Make SSL2 support Video, or in other words use anologue records, or the control CD's to turn any piece of DJ gear into a dvj-x1. Think about it for a minute, and the aplications it would have on DJing as well as the market. I don't think that it really is that far off from how SSL works now, you would simply be mapping a MPG or whatever type of file it was instead of an MP3 or WAV. The scratch box would have to have a small makeover to support the video outs, but I think it is probably not that unrealistic?


Not to rattle your cage but that "greatest idea to have hit you" has already been out into practice a few years ago :)

If you can deal with the clumsy interface, mspinky www.mspinky.com does this with quicktime movies already. You will need a good graphics card to output your video. I did this on a test run at a house party with mixed results.

While it was a good bash, I did not like the fact that some folks would rather watch the videos than dance. Spinning for half a dancefloor is not fun when it could easily be packed without the video. But results may differ. I think a bigger venue would yield different results.

I am yet to see someone blasting the volume on MTV/BET and dancing to it. Take away the video, play the same song and alas the same specimen is dancing ... go figure.
mexicannnnnn 9:36 PM - 8 July, 2005
s42000 I'm in the same boat expirementing with the VJ/DJ mixing and I think your right. People get caught up in the visuals and stop dancing....
Zion-Prayz 12:13 AM - 9 July, 2005
Great idea for shows and demos but not if you're doing a gig where you want the people to dance.
DJK 12:44 AM - 9 July, 2005
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Not to rattle your cage but that "greatest idea to have hit you" has already been out into practice a few years ago :)


No It hasn't my idea is for my favoite DJ product since 1200's which is SSL to support video. And since everyone seems to keep getting so upset, I am not trying to claim credit for this idea, I thought of it on my own, and just like many other things in life, lots of other people thought of it on their own too, even people on this forum.
SpinThis! 6:59 AM - 10 July, 2005
interesting observation S42k... dancing is all about a states of mind and you don't get the same effect if you pay more attention to the screen instead of just listening to the music around here.

some of the clubs that used video i found myself looking at the music vids instead of looking at the people on the dancefloor. all the better clubs i've been to didn't use video.