Serato Software Feature Suggestions
line out to phono
What features would you like to see in Serato software?
line out to phono
allenbina
11:58 AM - 22 July, 2007
i dont know enough about this topic to really contribute much, but i believe virtual dj has a plugin where you can output virtual dj into a phono input of your mixer instead of line.
www.virtualdj.com
check the inverse riaa effect
this would be FANTASTIC for people like me with the ttm 56 mixer who want to use cd players and serato while being able to throw in a cd and just switching the mixer to line to get the cd to play.
www.virtualdj.com
check the inverse riaa effect
this would be FANTASTIC for people like me with the ttm 56 mixer who want to use cd players and serato while being able to throw in a cd and just switching the mixer to line to get the cd to play.
nik39
1:57 PM - 22 July, 2007
You will loose straight-pass-thru-vinyl-play however, while the SL1 is connected w/o a computer.
allenbina
7:07 PM - 22 July, 2007
it could be a check box to check in the setup screen. im assuming that the throughs of the sl1 just amplify the sound and split it so theres no degredation or noise.
someone can correct me if im wrong but at far as i know it, this is how the system works: if you wanted to leave your turntables plugged in while the sl1 was powered, you just plug the throughs of the sl1 into your phono in, and the line out into the line in just as you regularly would. if you want to leave your cd players plugged in , you would check the designated button and plug the throughs out of the sl1 into the line in (assuming what i said above is correct, when on line in and a control cd is in, you should hear the control signal) and plug the through out to your phono out (and you should hear your serato noise coming out of your phono out).
fixes the problem a few people are having.
someone can correct me if im wrong but at far as i know it, this is how the system works: if you wanted to leave your turntables plugged in while the sl1 was powered, you just plug the throughs of the sl1 into your phono in, and the line out into the line in just as you regularly would. if you want to leave your cd players plugged in , you would check the designated button and plug the throughs out of the sl1 into the line in (assuming what i said above is correct, when on line in and a control cd is in, you should hear the control signal) and plug the through out to your phono out (and you should hear your serato noise coming out of your phono out).
fixes the problem a few people are having.
djkevinz
4:36 PM - 23 July, 2007
Doing this in the digital domain comes with a heavy price in noise and resolution. You are essentially operating the SL1 at a miniscule level and then amplifying it back up in the phono input.
Typical phono stages have about 40dB of gain, so when you 'turned down' the SL1 by this amount, it would come right off the top of the stated 96dB of the SL1. Granted a noisy club won't have an acoustic S/N ratio of more than 10-20dB so this may not be a big deal in that application.
However you will essentially turn your 16-bit resolution output into a 9 or 10 bit output (may be off a bit or two here depending on how you figure it). This is a significant cut in the resolution!
Even worse this is only in the midrange (1KHz). The SL1 will also have to digitally apply an RIAA pre-emphasis curve, which is attenuated progessively at higher frequencies to compensate for the equalization curve in every phono input. (also inversely added at lower frequencies but this isn't where the resolution drop will affect you)
At 10KHz, the SL1 has to come down an additional 14dB. This reduces your high frequency performance to a 7-bit DAC operating with a S/N ratio of only 42dB. This bit drop is clearly detrimental, even to non-technical listeners(won't speculate the drunk factor here)
The right way to do this is using analog attenuation after the DAC. Since Rane can't do do this until they come out with a new hardware platform, you need to get an outboard component. There is a thread discussing this here:
scratchlive.net
This will preserve the full resolution of the SL1 and have a negligle effect on the noise floor.
Sorry for the tech spew here... hope this shows why this isn't the best idea.
Typical phono stages have about 40dB of gain, so when you 'turned down' the SL1 by this amount, it would come right off the top of the stated 96dB of the SL1. Granted a noisy club won't have an acoustic S/N ratio of more than 10-20dB so this may not be a big deal in that application.
However you will essentially turn your 16-bit resolution output into a 9 or 10 bit output (may be off a bit or two here depending on how you figure it). This is a significant cut in the resolution!
Even worse this is only in the midrange (1KHz). The SL1 will also have to digitally apply an RIAA pre-emphasis curve, which is attenuated progessively at higher frequencies to compensate for the equalization curve in every phono input. (also inversely added at lower frequencies but this isn't where the resolution drop will affect you)
At 10KHz, the SL1 has to come down an additional 14dB. This reduces your high frequency performance to a 7-bit DAC operating with a S/N ratio of only 42dB. This bit drop is clearly detrimental, even to non-technical listeners(won't speculate the drunk factor here)
The right way to do this is using analog attenuation after the DAC. Since Rane can't do do this until they come out with a new hardware platform, you need to get an outboard component. There is a thread discussing this here:
scratchlive.net
This will preserve the full resolution of the SL1 and have a negligle effect on the noise floor.
Sorry for the tech spew here... hope this shows why this isn't the best idea.
nik39
4:54 PM - 23 July, 2007
Hm... very good point(s).
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Doing this in the digital domain comes with a heavy price in noise and resolution. You are essentially operating the SL1 at a miniscule level and then amplifying it back up in the phono input.Hm... very good point(s).
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