good point!

(although i love all that displays... but it would be great to have the possibility to turn them off)

here here

Now that you mention the iTunes navigation, I'd like to see more columns from iTunes available in the SSL listing e.g, Grouping etc

As part of my organisation, I have entered 'DJ Singles' in the grouping part of the ID3 tag in iTunes and then made a smart playlist in iTunes to show all of my DJ singles. It would be nice if I could see this in SSL and sort by 'dj singles'

stu

I hear ya loud and clear!!! Just give us a program that'll definetly work without the possibilities of any hiccups or glitches.

please!!!!

Yeah, I also rely on iTunes for organisation and finding tracks quickly. I can't imagine a faster way to always find the track you want, so I'd have no problems with SSL literally copying the iTunes interface.

BTW - I don't have SSL yet. Can you just click on a collum to have the library/playlist sorted differently? Like in iTunes, you click the BPM collum and it sorts everything by BPM, click it again to sort by BPM the other way around.

The short and sweet answer is yes.

I thought it might be a good time to bump this thread.

People in the 'help' section are talking about their Powerbooks overheating when using SSL, and it appears the GUI takes up a lot of CPU cycles. NUFF SAID! Give us the option to turn it off!

Screw waveform displays and beat counters - I'm perfectly capable of beat-matching by ear, thank you very much.

Screw waveform displays and beat counters - I'm perfectly capable of beat-matching by ear, thank you very much.

Here, here...This is a pro dj tool not some DIY no-need-mix-it-yourself dj tool :P

agree at low :D

mmm some displays help a lot (i love the transient view for beatmatching) but i agree that we need an option to turn them on/off.

i dont agree with any of that

Bravo, I thought you were real? Why do you need the graphics then? ;-)

because i like mix and cutting hip hop really quickly and i find all the visual markers really useful, it let me do things i couldnt do with normal vinyl and do things most djs cant.. that is progress to me.

And to others its progress if they can use a denon CD deck.



This (using punch ins) is progress to others.

BTW, I dont get your point anyway, noone said cut all graphics down. It should be user configurable, so you can choose whether you need it, or like it or not.

He really doesn't have much of a point, all he does is make little wanna-be-witty remarks after everyone else's comment.

im just expressing myself, just like you are with your wack circa 86 scratching. live and let live.

put up or shut up...

Whats that?

ok i will -who will host a vid for me?

If you tell me what "circa 86 sratching" means and you know the filesize of your vid... I might do it.

J-Bravo (and everyone else for that matter) - I'll host any video that any SSL user wants to put up, email me: dj3pm AT mac DOT com (i'm sick of getting spam from message boards, you can figure it out)

hooray, I found the SSL Forum DJ pissing contest. geesh

its mildly entertaining

For the last time, be nice, be constructive or get off these forums.

ive posted plenty of constructive posts on this forum. i simply gave my opinion above (i even added 'imho') im not baiting anyone and i dont think ive said anything particularly antagonistic.

OK, but if your opinion is negative then take the time to qualify what you say with decent points of discussion, or just keep it to yourself.

OK guys, don't ruin this thread.

Obviously the waveform displays etc. are very useful to some DJs. Not just the beginners - advanced users may use these features to do some things they otherwise wouldn't be able to do.

But other users, like myself, would love to be able to turn off all the bells and whistles. If anything, there would be less screen clutter, and the program would be less taxing on your computer which can only be a good thing. For me, a totally user-configurable GUI would be ideal, but I'll settle for just having the choice between 'ears only' and 'all the visual stuff".

How do the guys at Serato feel about this?

Nik he is just clowning that guy saying that his scratching style is outdated, Like scratching from the year 1986.



ROFLMAO

I'm not a scratch DJ so I don't understand this one, but what is the round circle with the line spining around it suppose to do? I know it tracks the movement relative to the speed and direction that the needle is on the deck, but what exactly does this aid in doing? (this isn't a smart ass comment either, I really don't know what it's for)

If I could turn off that to save CPU usage I totally would cause I can't find any way of using that in my performances (though I'm sure there are some people who do)...even the tempo bar across the waveforms can go away. The overviews, small waveforms and beatmatching display can stay, cause it gives me a sense of where I am in the track and where the breakdowns are (like vinyl by reading the grooves)....even the beat matching display is kinda cool (although I never really use it).

I agree with you, most of the stuff, ... I dont need. Optional switches would be great. A larger wav overview instead of the circles would be great too.

The purpose of these circles is (at least one...) that if you set a marker, and the needle is anywhere near to that marker, then the line combined with the percentage of its filled content, will tell you how far you are from the marker. Means, on each revolution youre getting near to the marker the line gets more and more filled. Once you are in the correct revolution, then if the line as at 12 o'clock you know that you are at the position of the marker.

Yeah, ideally we would just have a set of check-boxes in the preferences page, like "waveform display on/off", "rotating label on/off", etc, etc. Then everybody could set up SSL exactly to their needs. Perhaps the minimum computer spec could even come down a little for those who are willing to live without the extras.

lo-fi, yep. It works okay on my thinkpad at 600MHz P3, but I have to be carefull not to set the buffer size below 3 I think, then my machine completely freezes. Having those graphics could improve the responsiveness essentially. That would be fine.

Thanks for the info, and if that was the only intention, I believe it could be done a better way without adding the extra burden on the CPU...besides, I still would rather have 2 large waveforms replacing that area of the screen. It makes sense to have the tempo matching in vert. forms but the waveforms would benifit immensly from being horrizontal and doing away with the visual aid. I mean you could do that same thing by having a bar growing somewhere else on the screen.

By no way am I complaining about the product though, just offering my opinion and suggestions. SSL works so flawlessly for me that I really haven't visted these boards all that much since 1112 was released...just to get 1113. But I must say that if there was ever an interface revamp, that would be my vote (larger waveforms in place of the record label).

The marker is a representation of a scratch DJ's stickers he would use for back-to-backs. If you remember where the line is when a sample/vocal/beat starts you can backspin faster to that point.

The option to turn it off is defintely coming, it uses alot of CPU and for those who don't need it, that could mean a smaller buffer setting would be possible.

Josh, thanks for the info.

Why do these circles and this moving line eat up so much CPU time? Is there anything I am missing? Isnt it just a circle and a line drawn a couple of times each second?

Another thing, is there anything planned for the future about markers with text labels?

Ahh, now that makes sense....if you scratch. Seeing as how I don't scratch, I obviously never got that ;) Thanks for clearin that up. The update for setting those things off would be really key though. Keep up the already awesome work!!!

hey mates, what about having an option to switch between "turntablism interface" and "beat-mixing interface"?

the ttblism interface will be the current one (spinning bars, tiny vertical overall waveform display...)

the beat-mixing inteface will be another different one, with horizontal larger overall and partial waveform displays, transient view for beatmatching, and nothing else.

this one could eat less CPU, i think.

what do you think?

(forgive my horrible english)

That would be ideal, but I'm sure that having them redesign an entire new interface (even if they're just movin stuff around) would be way taxing. Most likely they'll just disable the spinning label as to not use the CPU to exhaustively.

Great!

Will some of the other visuals (the waveforms) be made optional also, or just ther rotating label?

(edit)

... Because I can totally see the point of that rotating marker when beat-juggling, but waveform displays never did anything for me personally. Especially having two different flavors of very sophisticated waveform display seems overkill to me. For someone else it would be the other way around.

Well, I personally dont use the visual markers for beat juggling, I just use them to roughly find the spot which I have marked, therefor the main wav-overview with the triangle markers is enough for me. If I beatjuggle/backspin, I use the markers on my SSL vinyls.

Waveform display is important to me, so I can see when a break is coming etc. On real vinyls you could see the breaks pressed on the vinyl, so I rely on that.

Every user uses different parts of the GUI, and for evey user there are some parts he/she doesn't need. That't why it would be great if the different sections could be switched on/off seperately.

Sure, I agree. My post just showed that every user seems to prioritize different parts of the gui in a different order, just wanted to back you up on that point. :-)

I 2nd that

i know i will come off as a total fanboy but for me and the way i personally mix/scratch, the interface is absolutely perfect.. i use all the elements and it enhances what i can do musically.

im still thinking about a "turntablism interface" (rotating markers, tiny overall waveform view) and a "beat-mixing interface" (large horizontal overall waveform view, transient beat matching view), and the possibility to switch between them, and turn off whatever element you want.

is it so difficult to implement this?

Bravo, any progress on that vid?




BTW, everyone--honestly no interest in a "my d*ck is bigger than yours" contest...

well this weekend I hacked my system to turnoff some of the features

my first hi tech hack was to cut a piece of paper out and tape it to my monitor, it now folds down over the beatmatching display! :}

ROTFLMAO :-))) You're the man!

1337 H4X0R!

I've seen that somwhere...is that from Something Aweful?

It's from everywhere, read here...
en.wikipedia.org

Search the web like a true 1337 H4X0R...
www.google.com

funny shit!

question to Serato:

You mentioned the possibility of being able to turn off features (personally I would like the option to turn of the tempo display and sometimes the beatmatching display). Theoretically, if we had this option, would/could it be programmed in a way that would then result in less CPU usage when turned off?

Haha, thats a good one :) Imagine they would simply code it so that it is blank and doesnt show anything but still calculates that stuff usually shown ;)

I don't think its the calculation that eats up all the cpu cycles (though turning off the calculator would definately help), its the constant screen refreshing that does. Don't know about Winblows, but in OS X its the "WindowServer" thats hogs the CPU (not SSL). When you switch to the set-up screen, the overall CPU load is decreased (stays about the same for SSL though).

well thats exactly why I asked :} just want to make sure they know we are thinkin about it! :p

Hi guys, we definitely hear you, and we are conducting some experiments. We will let you know when we have some definitive results. Actually, we might not let you know, we might just go ahead and implement it. Either way, your patience will be rewarded.

As usual ^_^

Actually, the calculation of the beat matching display does use more CPU than the display itself. And yes, if we let you turn it off, we will definitely turn off the computation as well.

@ AJ

is the beatmatching display at the top (with the orange and blue thing) "dependently" to the thin displays in the middle? or are those different things?

The tempo matching display is at the top of the screen and the beat matching display is the vertical display (between the waveform displays).

dont touch my beat matching thing!!!!!

my treasure... :D

The part at the top for tempo matching and the vertical strips are displayed using the same calculations, so if we only disabled one of them, it wouldn't make that much difference, although it would help.

Speaking of the future of SSL with all the new features with the newer version(s) will my computer be able to handle the added stress. I love my new mac g4 1.33 12" 768ram but i run it safely at a buffer size of 10. there are a few farts and such sometimes. It's seem like i may have to pony up and get a dedicated super fast puter to be able top run SSL confidently. Some nights the program is great and some nights it's a little whacky (mostly due to enviromental conditions, dusty records, stubborn mp3's, grounding, headshell/stylii issues etc) Im just thinking my comp wont cut the mustard in a few months.

That's kind of a strange comment in a discussion about a feature which would reduce the CPU load. We plan to make any new features that use lots of CPU optional.

...And some of the existing ones as well.

maybe tjhe question is related to reducing the CPU load on my wallet ;)

I am running the same machine with the buffer at 2ms - and no stutters or farts, it runs smooth as exlax. Are you on 10.3.5 cause there were some USB inmprovements written in that update.

Werd, I'm running the earlier gen 12" PB with 786mb RAM also and I've never had a problem since the latest (SSL build 1113? I think)
I go with a buffer size of 10 as well...but I've gone to 2 just for chits and giggles...but I play it on the safe side since I don't scratch that much.

sorry to go off track --yes im up to date with everything. you can see my stats if you click on my name. I'll do some more tests with different t-tables and needles-It stinks that plain old vinyl works fine and sll is somewhat sensitive to beat up equipment.

The problem i had was in a club(old "licked tonearm havin'"decks and new whitelabels)where deck 2 stopped responding 40 minutes into the night when i loaded a track that ive played many times before---(This was all in abs. mode)i just wouldn't do anything---drag the song or any song and nothing (the calibration scope looked like an exploded firework) --but the other side was fine. so i switched to vinyl, restarted and the same problem--restarted again and it worked fine for the rest of the night.

i had a party at my place and deck 1 was giving me trouble about 30 min into it. (mind you this deck has a ground that was ripped out and replaced with speaker wire set into a screw on the bottom of the TT) I have also played these files regularly on SSL. and problems have never occured in my many hours of practice.
But when i would mix in the deck 1 into deck 2, the deck 1 track would have an irregular tempo in the first 10 seconds and then straighten itself out . this happened in abs. mode and at a different point on the vinly in rel. mode. ( dont remember what the calibration circle's looked like) so i handed off to a vinly dj and drank myself silly
I know my equip is probably shitty but why do the rare bad moments occur only in public?


any advise on re-grounding techs?

hope this made sense.

If the scope looked like an exploded firework, then it sounds like the restarting of your computer and the deck starting to work were totally coincidental. Especially since the first restart didn't fix it. Whenever the scopes look like crap, you know that your signal path is rotten. That's actually the only purpose of the scopes - they don't help you diagnose software problems, because all they are is a visual representation of the audio being supplied to SL.

Did you by any chance, take the headshell off and put it back on again at any point before it started working again. There can be rust, dirt, and other awful crap inside the tonearm connection and sometimes just taking it off and screwing it back on tightly solves the weirdest problems.

yeah i did that a few times and swapped carts left and right.
checked all rca connections
cleaned any dust off records and stylii etc..

ida know if it happens again ill take notes and all that
but until then it's working great in daily use
I'm djing an art installation event/party in west philly tomorrow
should be fun thx

Don't forget SSL has a feature so that you can DJ, Scratch and mix a whole night with one Turntable. Deatils are in the manual. It may take a little practice to get used to but it would have clearly saved your ass on both occasions.

Actually that night i tried to do that when deck 1 messed up--- when i flipped the input reverse switch, the track on deck 2 spun backwards really fast like an infinite backspin---That hurts the ears a bit;) this was the only time this happened.

I stumbled across some perfectly executed '86 cuts:

forums.seratoscratchlive.com

I now know what mine should sound like...thanks for the lesson.

whats your point? - that was the first thing i ever did using SSL and its way better then anything on your site.

snappy comeback btw!

thanks--i spent all week coming up with that...

oh, and thanks for taking the time to listen to everything on my site...you must not have had anything better to do since you consider all of them to be wack.

some constructive critisim is welcomed, if you are able to channel your brain waves to do such a thing, it would be much appreciated.

lol, at least you guys are being funny... but play nice now. (0_o)

J-Bravo, keep practicing you are on the right track. Don't let Dynamight get to you. To me it seems that you haven't been djing/scratching that long. We were all at that point one time or another; just keep practicing hard and you will get better. One thing to keep in mind is that you should try to keep it on beat (whether you're doing '86 cuts or the world's 2nd/3rd greatest DJ cuts). Make a tapes and listen to them.

Unknown, I see you've recently become a member of the forum...so you may not have realized Bravo has a habit of insulting people's skills--or as he calls it "exressing" himself...he agreed to make a video if someone would host it, as you can see above DJ 3pm has graciously extended the offer, and we have yet to be treated with anything from the wonderfully skilled Bravo.....

I never claimed to have any skils, nor have I seeked anyone's approval but when someone calls your shit wack and their reasoning is:

I can't help but wonder if the comments are coming from a skilled individual with something valuable to contribute, or if he just likes to occupy webspace with bullshit remarks.

Gotcha, Dynamight I understand now. I'm almost sorry I spent my time giving him constructive criticism but I guess everyone deserves help.

oooooookay then

I totally agree with lo-fi. just Give me the basics baby! Im sure the whole intention of making this product is so we wouldnt have to carry 5 crates of records. Just give me no pitch drift issues, a waveform, a way to choose your tracks, no crashes and hiccups and i will mark the records myself thank you. I'd go buy it right now!!!

yo ya that rocks

mmm some users want more... and more... hehe ;)

I hear ya, but if it takes from this product being stable then i dont need it. I'd rather do with out enhanced waveforms ,bpm counters, those circle things and effects then to have a big crash in the middle of a gig.

yes, nailing the basic is the most important thing, but we MOST go further... i think digital vinyl emulations era has only began...

true true, but the further we go the more money we have to spend on our computers to catch up.

thats the cycle of life (market cycle of life, i mean) :D

I would like to know, when we will get a larger waveform displays? by the end of the Year 2004? it will be very urgent to get it asap!!!

Isn't the current one large enough?

for dumb beat mixers like me, no it isnt...

Agreed, its not large enough (talking about the tiny overview).

Well, I'm good with the current.

Hi all,
i'm a Final scratch user.(1.5 and won't upgrade to 2.0)
I have to admit i'm jealous at you guys, i tried SSL several times and it's so much better than the lame excuse for a d.j system that i've got.

So now you all probably say "What are you waiting for ? - switch to SSL !" - i would, but there is one major thing holding me back from doing it:the interface.

I wish i could use Serato along with Final scratch software, there is one good thing in FS, the software, the horizonal waves, the siplicity of everything, you might say it's a matter of time , once you'll get used to SSL software it won't be a problem, well i don't agree with that.

I mean look at DENON and PIONEER - they both excelent cd players manufacturers, but which one do you see much more ? Pioneer ! Why ? they just make things simpler !.

I don't think SSL should look exactly like TFS, but i think SSL should take the major concept of FS and go that way - mark my words: changing the interface will help so many people to migrate from FS to SSL and to so many others to not be affraid of it - i promise you i will be one of the first to do this.

noizemaker - do u really rely on the waveforms? i mean, no disrespect if u do, but seriously, i dont even pay attention to them. i just dj like all i have are records - honestly, i can understand that u r so used to horizontal waveforms because you've used FS for a while now, but its like when u DJ at different clubs and u dont bring ure equipment, u just gotta adapt to the setup to do your thing - i figure when u use SSL and u dont have to worry about problems (like i imgaine u do with FS) then u can just get straight to the point of what SSL is all about - DJing. then you'll get used to the setup of SSL. and believe me, SSL is so simple u really dont even need to read the manual (well u do, but not really!). and i dont think changing the interface will make all users of FS switch to SSL - a lot of people are switching on the fact that SSL does the job better irrespective of interface. SSL is a solid software/hardware setup that cant be beaten. hope this helps convince u 2 switch! good louck!

oops, i meant good luck!

i don't think the ssl team should spend anytime trying to make their product more like final scratch. even the people who use fs it admit it sucks, why try to bite that kind of style?

With respect to cueing and the waveforms on the SSL interface, I just want to say that I bought SSL primarily for its ability to let me play and manipulate my stored music (on my laptop) as regular vinyl. It is nice that the interface also illustrates the waveform of the music to aid in cueing, but I've learned the real way of doing it, and that is doing it with my ears.

As a veteran DJ, my advice is to get used to using your ears. I would go as far to say that there is no way around it. Once you learn to do it, you're a much more better DJ than the person who relies only on waveforms. Considering what I have just said, don't think that I am proposing that my way is better. However, I advocate the use of it simply because it's the ear that hears the music, not the eyes. Peace!

sorry spinjin but i think that waveform views are a big step forward... and i am a veteran dj too! some djs (like me) think that we have to take advantage of the technology to push djing to a higher level. of course, other ones think different...

back to the thread, as i said several times, i think SSL current OVERALL views are too small. if SSL would have implemented a swith to replace this overall waveform views and the spinning displays with horizontal larger views, a lot of djs (that are hesitating about buying SSL yet) would be pleased...

The waveforms on SSL are loads better than the ones on FS, you can see both waveforms at once next to each other without having to move your focus across the screen. I can see a small argument for larger overall waveforms, but the current ones still give more information than you get from an actual vinyl.

i agree nobspangle..... i used 2 think vertical waveforms was rubbish - because i also produce music im used to music sequencers and how they display waveforms from left to right. but for the purpose of SSL - vertical is the way to go.

Guys , i think you misunderstand me,
I didn't started the old argument about FS vs. SSL.
After using FS for a year and a half and using SSL for three gigs, i can deffinitly say SSL is like brand new Mercedes compared to 78 Subaru - ther's no doubt about it SSL is far better than FS.

The issue is the interface. like KMXE (where did you get that nick from ?) said, i also produce, and every normal sequencer or editing software in the world goes left to right.

A few times i played vinyl instead of FS, i automaticly looked over to my laptop just to check how much time do i have, i really don't mind if it's not that accurate (although the Vj's loves FS because of that waveforms...) i just want to grab a look at the pc and immidiatly know where am i.

spinjin, you said i should hear not to look, i couldn't agree more, why the hel1 i would like to see the beats and the snares ??? - i'm a house d.j, scratching is usually not my style.
I'm playing for 16 years now and untill a year and a half ago only on vinyl so i know what playing records w/o seeing the track feels like.

I guess there is no right or wrong here, something that one guy likes doesn't that good for another, maybe a SSL staff would try to satisfy both of us and create an option of working both ways ?

thanks for all of your replies :-)

btw:i cannot explain that, but even this forum feels much better than the NI official one...

you read my mind!!!

please mates, understand our thoughts. lot of djs think the same way... and dont like the SSL GUI because of the tiny overall waveforms.

... specially beat mixers like me!!!

why not make the wave form view user changeable- horizontal if your into horizontal and vertical if your into vertical... everyones happy.

noizemaker - my nick is actually an acronym K.M.X.E. - any guesses as to what it stands for!??!

anyways, i still think the vertical waveforms is better for this particular application..... or maybe im just used 2 it?!?! :)

and while we mention VJ's, is it Technics that came out with that Video 'Turntable'??? I wanna look in2 it...

lets see: PARTIAL VERTICAL waveform views are dope for both beat matching and scratching. we are not complaining about that because, in fact, they are a big improvement over traditional partial horizontal view (as FS has).

we are complaining about the small size of the OVERALL VERTICAL waveform views! i would like to have the possibility to keep the partial vertical views on while replacing the spinning bar displays and the overall vertical views with a broader and larger overall horizontal view.

The VJ deck is by pioneer, I've not played with it and haven't really heard much about it.

I think there should be 2 possibilities to chose...it's a fact that the needs of the scratcher's and the mixers are different..but at least we all love the hardware!

Setup 1 for the HipHop dj's with all markers and beatmatching-waveforms, which is ok as it is now.

But as I remember my old scratch/quickmix times 15 years ago I can not imagine that somebody is looking at the screen while doing his tricks...I used to concentrate on the records and made my markers there on the labels, which should be still the more clever way to work it, am I wrong?

the beatmatching overviews are good for beginners but they could learn faster just by listening and feeling what's going on. Maybe I don't get the use of the overviews (specially the 3 frequencies). I think the possibility to mark/highlight a part/sample in the overview with colours (like with a thick marker penn) in a horizontal large overview would be a better to scratch or do tricks combined with stickers on the vinyls than this fast little overviews.

Setup 2 for the house/mixing dj's with a large vertical waveform-overview, better horizontal like in FS would definately be the better choice as all the other overvievs are not so interesting for me except one that is very little. Also think of all Audio programs like logic, cubase...none of these youse vertical arrangement setups...
I just bought SSl but I took me some time to decide...what I liked about SSL is the box is small (instead of that FS2 suitcase), the software is fast and you don't have all that softwareinstallation problems. but FS for me has (for my use) the much much better waveformoverview and that will always be the choice of house/ mixing dj's first in the future as you have to deal with this all the time while working.

Serato should think about this as I think the market is just starting. A clever solution would be two versions of the software look/features as "SSL Scratch"(like now) and "SSL Mix" (with better overviews). There might be a discussion about copying the wave.overview but what the f**k, sometimes I go to mc donalds..sometimes to burgerking...I just want to have a burger and they do the "same but different".. So I think nobody could piss on serato cause doing a horizontal overview as it would be a little bit different for sure...

the hardware is top..nothing to say about this...

have a nice day and be nice to each other...at the end it's all about music!

Welcome on board, man ;)

Eyo, I want diagonal overviews up in this piece.

i am use to it both ways as i do remixes and produce and i am use to the waveforms that way.
i also like the way it is set up in SSL and had no problems getting use to it right off.

Just to throw my tuppence in:

i was an FS user....for ages the SSL interface put me off. As soon as I actually used it though I realised it is brilliant. I was worried the overview would be too small - it is however ample (for me anyway). The labels, which I had percieved as quite possibly a huge waste of space, are excellent, and the track progress circle around the outside is wonderful.

I mix dnb and I scratch too, and I have found using the label and markers for my scratching has been an awesome revalation that brings a real traditional vinyl feel to locating and using scratches on the system.

The up close waveform is ace for finding drops, observing scratches in progress etc when closing in from the overview/trckmarks.

The tempo match I barely use, since I can happily do so by ear as fast as I can see it. however I have at times found it a useful reference particularly when mixing across breakdowns, which I already did on oldskool vinyl, but this as I say can add extra reference for those drunken/clumsy moments.

As far as my personal experience goes the build s solid as a rock. I use it for a 5-6 hour radio broadcast every week without a glitch. Since I took FS2 back at the end of december and swopped it sor SSL I have also used SSL for an 11 hr set and a 9 hr set - not a glitch, not a stutter, nothing except perfection.

Amazing - I love it utterly and the Visual interface is excellent as far as am concerned.

I have not had the opportunity to use SSL in a club environment yet, but I feel very confident that all will be well.

My only concern is in the needle scope setup view, my circles do not appear very large even at 16x magnification. If I use the setup on turntables with lots of rumble I wonder if I am getting a loud enough signal from the dex to adapt the settings and ignore 'x'-dB as might be necessary.....however I already use the setup in an extremely loud and bassy environment, and have not had a problem at all as I said.

The one thing I might like is a column on the track display which shows a marker if the track has been played during the current SSL session. I know you can look in the review screen, but after several hours playing and a mashed head, this could be good.

SSL is the one!!!! Thanks guys - my creativity is running wild and the kit is totally reliable which allows this. I know it will start up everytime, I know it won't crash, I know it will sound great, I know I can scratch and whang the vinyl around as furiously as I like and it will sound great.

If you Serato guys make new versions so we can change the interface please make it as options only so we all have the flexibility to adjust or stick with the default already offered.

My laptop is nothing hyper by these days standards: 1.7G, 256Mb cache - It runs like the silkiest dream I ever had at about 20% CPU usage.

I can't say enough good about this product.

You guys are the greatest.

btw

BPM counter - can't even tell u where it is. I don't use it myself, but it certainly doesn't bother me. is it on the label where the time counts down?

GO SERATO!!

GO RANE!!!

BOOYA!

Make sure you have "phono" selected in the setup screen :)


For Scratch LIVE to read the BPM, it (the BPM value) will need to be entered into the ID3 tag. The BPM of the track is displayed next to the track name and the pitched BPM is displayed within the "virtual deck".

I gotta agree with Pufo on this. I think there should be the option to have which ever view you want, but come on.... why can't the Overview be larger? I would love to have 2 horizontal displays instead of the circles as well (specially since there has been discussion about the moving circles taking up valuable processing power). Even if it's too much work to get the waveforms horizontal, at least have the option of making them bigger by getting rid of those spinning bars...the track progress bar is extremely redundant too.

But I'm still happy that SSL works, more than I can say for FS2.0...my gawd it looks like mass genicide over at the TFS forums.... people are piiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssed.

Totaly professional kit and interface as far as I'm concerned - I love you guys!

This is the best thing I ever bought

and thanx for the tip Shaun I will check it out

ha ha!

You were right Shaun!

That's what I love about SSL - everything is predictable, everything makes sense....and this has been my consistent experience while giving it some serious abuse for the last 6 or 7 weeks. No unpleasant suprises, nothing illogical, no instability.

"does exactly what it says on the tin"

SSL forever!

I would really like to see larger horizontal waveforms. Time is most always represented on a horizontal axis, displaying it vertically is kind of unnatural

As somebody who's using SSL on a 1400x1050 rez screen, I'd really like the waveform displays (both the vert and horizantial ones) to be about 50% bigger.

man, just got done reading this entire thread (wheh, funny how this discussion went through 10 different subjects) anyways, back to the original discussion:

lo-fi's "I only want one thing: A WAY TO TURN IT ALL OFF!"

what would be even better is to prompt the user while 'loading/installing' SSL for the first time is to allow the user to choose =
1. all the bells and whistles
2. strict basics (for tablists true at heart)
3. pick-n-choose (resturant style menu) custom install

that way, the program is running as configured by the user...no need to turn stuff off and no need to worry about extra codes of lines to bother with.... i think i already mentioned this somewhere else.

I also quite like the idea of a much stripped down interface, would make integration with screen reading solutions (see my other post on Screen Access integration for more info) much cleaner, as there wood be no additional graphics getting in the way.

speaking of screen graphics/display....do any of you get these irritating people who hang out behind you, watchin every mouse click, to see what you are cueing up next to play,,,and they say something like, "hey, did i just see 'Bob Marley'?....can you play that next?....

...that'll be cool to be able to configure a button on your keyboard so you can go into "stealth" mode, meaning, all they can see is everything except your database of songs.

...come to think of it, maybe this already exists (i know this might be possible because i have not yet to read the manual :(

lol, naw it don't exist yet, but it has been suggested and maybe emplimented, if you search there is some discussion about it,...not just hear, dating back, decades probably, keeping stuff to yourself or, here's what i do, do it better and let me learn from you.

i know..... i'll enable my screensaver set at 1 minute (blank).

Or just create an empty crate and select it

put a few songs in that folder

If you can read this you're too close JERKY

Last guy standing here got a black eye FISTINYOFACE

I had your momma last night 2BITWHORE

Couldn't agree more. I am constantly looking at traditional vinyl as a visual reference to what is about to sonically happen in the future. The current waveform does not help me at all as a 'mashup' dj.

Secondly, This is my first time on the forum and my first post. I just read through the thread and feel even better about the product i have just purchased, knowing that professionals are using it. This is soley based on the manner of everyones posts, and the setup/moderation of the forum. Look forward to the horizontal/full view larger waveforms, and to making a positive, constructive contribution when i can.

Nick

can we have an option to blowup (the size of the buttons)... i got a touchscreen adapter fer my 15" lappy....i can't seem to pinpoint my clumsy fingers to select the tiny buttons on the GUI.

if not, i'm not trippin...i can still return it (and buy more control vinyl :)

Welcome aboard Nick


This is still some way down the track.

thanks Sam...no rush....just icing on tha cake....i know there's bigger fishies on tha fryin pan :)

Nice idea.

I would choose point 3: pick-n-choose.

I dont need beat matching and tempo display. so turning their displaying and computing off would be a nice option.

The 2 waveforms (zoom and overall) are nice help.

btw: does the scratch marker on the round circle run slower if i slow down the TT pitch? does it run with 33/45 (depending on TT speed)?

Also nice: STEALTH MODE for track title display.

the big track's name and artist should be displayed only 3 seconds and then disappear. would be nice for club use.
this option should be triggerable on the fly in use.

the stealth mode shouldn't affect the library windows (or give an option to apply it additionally to library display too).

OK. This is the nearest thread I could find that covers what I want so it's worth a bump. Oh, and I didn't want to start a new thread as this is already in the 'Soneone has already asked for' section. Just wanted to add my two penn'orth.

If you ignore the slanging match and the topic drift, the original suggestion is the ability to turn features off.

In my case, I specifically want the ability to turn off (or hide) the waveform displays.
I mainly want this for practice sessions. I find that having the display there means that it gets used, no matter how much you try not to look at it, you still see it even if out of the corner of your eye, and a glance is often enough for you to notice that slight beat mismatch before you can year it.

I notice now that when playing regular vinyl (i.e. the ones I bought that morning and haven't had a chance to rip yet) my mixing sans Serato is way shadier than it used to be. 90% of the punters don't seem to notice so it can't be that bad (unless they're just polite...) but I notice...

Much as I don't mind using this when I'm playng out (anything that helps a slick performance is all good...), I certainly don't want to be reliant on it, so can we have a 'Waveforms OFF' tickbox next to the 'Horizontal Waveforms' one for my practice sessions please?

Till then I'll just mix wit' my eyes shut... <<bump>> ouch...

Not sure about the way it goes on more powerful computers, but on my 512mb 1.4 Celeron M notebook there's no doubt in my mind that I can hear pitch drifts when beatmatching before they're shown on screen. Not trying to say Serato is inacurate or anything (it's absolutely not), but anything you throw on the screen will probably be no match for good ears. The program runs really really stable for normal playing here (like 1 dropout every hour, maybe less), but last week I tried recording a mix while playing in internal and things got a little messy... Made me wish I could turn some stuff off for for that little extra available system resource. I could mos def do without the rotating wheels, the blue-and-orange thingies and the beatmatching display. Just wonder if the screen will look too dull without all that, all that stuff looks really cool in pictures and such.

NdB-> by the term "punters" I take it you're English. Anything to do with the Skratchworx site?

ps: I was practicing the other day and a friend dropped by. When I took a break between tracks, he was like: "How come your computer's turned away from you?"

Please add this functionality! It would be good to see the option to turn of most of the interface displays! Think of the performance in reduced display mode!!

get me the Lego, i'll build what i want.

Wow, way back on August 8, 2004 at 12:57 AM you guys were reading my mind on this.

Bizzump!

I would LOVE to be able to turn stuff I don't use on/off, open up some valuable screen area for stuff I do use, etc.. Are we any closer to any of this yet?

PS: Serato rocks. Keep it up. ;-)

i just switched over from final scratch. i would really love a horizontal waveform so i can see where the breakdowns are coming up in longer songs. it's something i relied on when playing vinyl and appreciated being able to see in fs2. i know a lot of users are against this, but i would at least to have the option to add one to the screen instead of the spinning records. other than, serato is far and away a better choice.

Uh, there's been horizontal waveforms since v1.5. Where have you been? See this pic... i48.photobucket.com

also don't forget zoom! use the help feature and hover your mouse over the waveform for more options.

I'm a new user to SSL, have watched (and minimally used) FS in the past. I also run lights on other nites, and the longer waveform is DEFINATELY nice to see while manning the lighting console (Light Jockey, if you're interested). The DJ side of me surely knows the ebb and flow of dance music, but try as I might I cant' keep track of every break & rise in the thousands (millions?) of mixes. So I can "see" the benefit of a 'longer' view of the waveform from both the DJ and LJ perspective.

About turning the display on and off, can you have the option to have the video cues instead? Have the virtual decks off and video monitors on while running SL 1.8 video, and vice versa for mp3's? Instead of a spcae clustered interface like we have seeen on the demo's on you tube.

We like serato because of the simple yet functional GUI. Lets not drift far from it now?!?!? You know what i mean Sam?

lets implement this turn on/off option into 1.8, k guys? =) your friend, DJ BriGuy

ahum.. i think i would use that too - or, not use that too - well, maybe the waveform since it can be a bit tricky to play without that visual aid

Please can we turn the beat matching thing off, i have had SSL for about 2 years now and am finding myself, more and more using it to determine if the beat is to slow or to fast! Never had this problem before i got SSL.

I have a sony vaio model vgn-325e and every time i eject a song my frame freezes what can i do to stop this?

Yes!!!


Please please can we have the option to switch everything off except the the overview track wave and the spinning records! I would definatly buy this product then! I hate even the fact that is adjusts the gain for you. Soon it may even mix for you, oh wait it beat matches for you so it basically does!

This could be done, just by turning off the monitor or turning it away.
Prepare a playlist and enable the "flip to next song" now your ready and then next song is a flip away :)

It only adjusts gain if you turn on autogain... and sorry, no it doesn't beatmatch for you. You'll have to keep practicing ;-)

This thread was started almost 4 years ago. Does anyone know if Serato is ever going to have the option to get rid of all the beginners aids?

Yup.... they call them stickers!!

you don't have to look at the screen

most people here just loads the track and that's it - and if you're using abs-mode then you don't really have to look at the screen

most times now i just loads the track, hit the loop button and don't look at the screen anymore

you can do the same, or not buy the software ta-da!

I've found my beatmatching skills are going down since I've bought serato cas' I'm so addicted to visual beatmatching now...and losing all the audible beatmatching skills i used to have.

It would be nice to have a on/off button for the visuals.

I'd really like to be able to hide the beatmatching display. As a relatively new DJ I'm still practising my beatmatching and at the moment I hide the display with a bit of paper to stop me from looking at it!

I BEG SERATO. Please please fix this!!

Funny thing happened last night, put on a 8 bar loop on a 120 bpm track to mix in, the adjusted bpm (the small one on the virtual deck) displayed 156. The track was pitched +1%. Actually got me a little confused for a second. No problem reallly, but these aids are somewhat making us weaker in the craft of dj-ing.

So yes, Id rather be able to turn it all of, and spin like the pre serato days...

I stumbled onto this thread by clicking the link for larger waveform displays in the feature suggestion index, so thank you Sam for the big F you. Great customer service *end sarcasm*

I'd like to see longer wave form displays because they're helpful in letting you know when the next break down is coming, or when the breakdown is going to end. On real vinyl one can do this by looking at the grooves, but that' s not so with time coded vinyl. There's all this empty space on the other side of each virtual deck, so how about (optionally) pushing them to the far sides? This would allow space for longer (horizontal) waveform displays.

I agree by ear, the old school way, is still the best method, but I still want longer waveform displays for tracks I don't know very well. When you're in a mix and the next track suddenly goes into a break down while the previous track is still playing it's really obvious in a bad way.

p.s. I'm all for an option to turn the visual aids off as well, but the same effect is easily achieved by setting your laptop to the side. Most of us used to have our record case sitting off to the side, so we're already used to turning to the side to get a new track.

Never mind, I found the answer to my own question (thank you Google). All I had to do was simply increase the audio cache.

p.s. No disrespect Sam, but could you change the link mentioned above to the correct page. www.serato.com

Just because u have serato doesnt mean u cant practisce on just wax or cds cmón dude i know theres a greater loss in libary when jumping off serato. but at least u still get jumps and skips like a real old school dj and your doing it without wav matching.
just take the time to hope off serato and practisce using originals. and u shall have your wish in no time.

Indeed!!

All we need is Track Name, Artist and Time Remaining, oh , and maybe the album art?

You could rebuild the GUI and give DJ's the option (in the setup) to select which features they would like to have "displayed". Less features = less CPU, and that's always a winner!

Come on Serato!

I was just using my friends Traktor and all the fields can be set to display or not. I'm surprised that nothing has been done in this area yet. I'd love to be able to get that real oldskool feel of not seeing bpm's displayed all the time.... sometimes throws me off!

Yea come on Serato... 2 years and counting!

I am having problem's with the new itch update work's fine at home when i use it in the club it freezes any suggestion