I know that Final Scratch has thinner records for scratching, so why can't Rane and Serato come up with a version. We all know how crappy Final Scaratch is so why can't this be done? Anyone?

Hasn't this been suggested several times already? And didn't you just post the same thing in another thread?

If someone had exhausted all of their options as to how to scratch better and resort to using thinner records, truly they should be made dmc champ by default and we should all give up.

Check out some of the older dj rectangle wax. Those things are thick as a brick of shit, and dj's have been using them for years and they managed to do all of the scratch techniques and more on these.

but of course, the more thinner, the better...

Build bigger muscles ... record thickness will be of no issue to you.

i don't understand what the thickness of the record has to do with the ability to scratch? if the record weren't as smooth it wouldn't move as well due to friction: i could see this hindering your scratchability more than the actual thickness.

It doesnt feel good scratching with heavy records.

Personally I dont think this applies to SSLs records.

heavy records are hard to move, they carry more momentum so it makes it harder to change their direction, like flywheel.

thanks nobspangle, i never thought of that. that makes sense.

co-sign - all i do is scratch, dont have a prob with SSL records!

of course, SSL records are very good for scratching!!

Why? Because there is no need. Here are the specs from measurements of my vinyl:

SSL vinyl - 51g
Toasted Marshmallow Breaks - 51g
Hee-Haw Brayks - 50g
FS standard vinyl - 100g
FS scratch vinyl - 50g

so let me get this straight, with the FS2 pack u get the 100g record, then u gotta buy the scratch vinyls?!?!?! jeez!!!

Should have stated those were there FS 1.x vinyls.

Don't know what comes with FS2.

yeah....SSL records are already at "scratch" weight. any thinner and you might as well scratch with a piece of paper. if you are too heavy handed to scratch with the SSL vinyls maybe you need to cut back on the chicken chokin' if you know what i mean. plus you can always use the REL mode if you are skipping alot.

please people, just because FS has it doesn't mean that SSL has to implement it too. SSL is and always has been designed to be superior to FS. obviously FS has to have 2 different weight vinyls because they didn't realize early enough that DJs might actually be scratching with their product (hmmmm...go figure). SSL designers actually designed their records to be used for scratching...hence the proper "scratch" weight as confirmed by Zion.

big heavy records, and all that latency... ;-P

Yeah, you could microwave food on those FS standard records and burn the food before you ever warped those records :D

(Don't try this at home kids)

And put the record back on before it notices it's gone.

ooooooh harsh. J/K :P

You know what, I now realize that all of you are a bunch of idiots who think that they are all the best DJ's in the world. You all probably can't scratch your own ass. When I posted my question I was hoping for an informed, intelligent response. I realize that could never happen here. You all should spend more time practicing using your brain than your mouths. Peace OUT!!

Hey, man... at least I know how to spell 'Vestax'.

What did you expect when you came up with something illogical (and ... dumb) like

Just cause FS has it, doesnt mean its good or needed at all. And if you cant take other peoples opinion, whats the point in participating in an open forum?

LOL ..... Calm down dude ...
your "intelligent response" was given by rev on post #2 on this thread. If that simple response exceeds your capacity to understand, I'm afraid you have more serious issues that require professional attention .... probably under a heavy sedative and physical restraint.

Word, s42000 ;)

Chill, dude. Nothing to get upset about.

<-- steers clear

Yes, maybe I was a little harsh, but all I see is a bunch of peeps clowning each other instead of being supportive. We all share a deep love of music and for the instruments we have chosen. It seems to me that there is no love for other DJ's just a competitive, talk trash "open forum".

I will disagree in part, because I see discussion, both pros and cons on the topics in question which is very beneficial.

The only competition I can think of, did not even take off. That was when CS trashed Lord's scratching and Lord did the only thing to resolve the issue. He laid the gauntlet and we all know what happened -> www.scratchlive.net

For most part there's a lot of support here and a little ribbing here and there ... just a part of life. I dont beleive the mods would let this place be an open free for all trash joint. This is usually the 1st place SSL users and future users get their information.

Enjoy

camon reverend... dont get upset, there is real reason for that. first at all, use forum search feature, you will see other post with similar subject.

IMHO, SSL vinyls are thin enough, they feel like FS scratch vinyls.

the only problem i have with SSL vinyls is some of them are warped (B side is concave), and this is a pain when scratching/juggling.

Gee, I thought I was trying to help by weighing the FS scratch vinyl and 2 very popular battle records to give some comparison to the SSL vinyl.

Just to further make the point I have:

- Change the Beat: 52g
- 3 different "Ultimate Breaks & Beats" weighing in between 50 and 52 grams

So SSL vinyl is in the same weight range as normal vinyl. FS had to make scratch (normal) vinyl because their standard vinyl was twice as heavy as normal vinyl.

We were not dissin you but making fun of the FS standard vinyl after providing an intelligent response to your post.

The last three posts was exactly what I was looking for in the first place. Thanks Zion for weighing it. I use Super Seal scratch record a lot and it slides so smooth on my turntable and I just seem to get some unnneeded friction on the SSL record. The only reason why I started a new post on a subject already stated was because that post had been started a while ago and things are always changing. Anyway thanks for finally showing me some intelligent, supportive response. No more mean posts, I swear.

If you're having problems with sticky vinyl, try some better slipmats, or better still loose those technics decks and get some vestax, the different platter design almost kills off any problems with heavy vinyl.

Out of curiosity Zion .... what do you use a miniscale for ?

Of course other than weighing records :)

haha.. there's no dea cops on this forum... are there?

Naw... up until a couple months ago, I was a federal agent for the Department of Homeland Security. That is as close as we are going to get... and don't worry, DHS doesn't care about drugs.

For measuring food servings. Actually I just saw it in a store one day and thought gee I wonder if this will make it easier to nuke (microwave) food. It actually made timing more precise but got to be more trouble than it was worth. I pulled it out for the first time in a couple of years when this record issue came up.

I thought so .... I have one too that I am supposed to measure my food servings with on this health regime I am on ...

1-NO junk or fast food
2-NO processed foods
3-All meals measured and cooked at home from fresh ingredients
4-NO Oil or fried foods
5-NO more than a total 1800 calories a day (from 5 meals)
6-LOTS of water and vitamins
7-Plenty of excercise

Soon I will be back on the rugby park !!!

Two words: Butter rugs.

Let me straighten out some of the facts because some of you guys are giving out incorrect information. I started using FS1.0 about a month after it came out. The "original" FS vinyl were the "scratch" vinyls, they just weren't called that when it first came out since there was only one type of FS vinyl. They were basically the same thickness as any other average vinyl record. What people were finding (including me) was that those first FS records skipped a lot. They held 15 minutes of timecode on the 33rpm side so the grooves were really close to each other and not very shallow. People kept complaining about the vinyl not holding needles very well so the FS people came out with the "thick" vinyl with deeper grooves. I bought them immediately when they came out. They definitely held the needles better but they definitely felt different and didn't move as well as the "original" ones. So people started complaining about the new "thick" vinyl so the FS people re-released the "original" vinyl and labelled them as the "scratch" vinyl. Now I think they have a new type of "scratch" record with three 5-minute sections. I haven't kept up with FS ever since I got SSL so don't quote me on the last point. But when FS first came out, the FS vinyl were the "thin" "scratch" vinyl that is the same thickness as the SSL vinyl.

So no matter what you give people, someone will always find something to complain about. I now have a pair of Butter Rugs handy but you know what's funny? When I use the Butter Rugs at home with my TT's, they spin super-fast, but I took them to Avalon's hip hop room and when I put the Butter Rugs on the TT's there, the record felt really sticky so I guess TT's are all different. Maybe the TT's there had some sticky filiments or something on them. Maybe someone spilled soda on them? I know I keep my TT's immaculate. But anyhow, people need to stop complaining about the SSL vinyl. My scratching doesn't sound very good and I'm not blaming the vinyl...I know the problem is my hands...hah hah.