Well, what would be the point of using vinyl control if all tracks were warped? You wouldn't need it and defeats the whole purpose of using turntables.

Decimal BPMs are coming soon though I believe.

Absolutely NO WARPING!! or auto beat-matching. If you want a program to do all the legwork for you use Ableton. Let's not water-down a quality vinyl emulation program like Scratch Live with a bunch of useless B.S. K??

I do however agree with you and Konix on the merits of the decimal BPMs.

I've always thought it would be nice if Serato used .als files to snap the beats together when mixing. Meaning you would have the tactile control for cueing up and scratching, but that beats would stay locked whilst mixing.
So yes, like an auto-pilot mode!
Why do you think people use Ableton? Laborious beatmatching gets boring after a while. Lets you spend your time on something more interesting.

LOL, I knew Id get grief for this!!!

theres a lot more to vinyl control than gettin the beats to match - I love the freedom of using vinyl for scratching, beat juggling and other manual manipulation but I think that if playing out live and the if the tunes were the same speed you could do more with quick swap and change of tunes for beat mixing, double dropping, scratch mixing, 3 deck mixing, scratching over two tracks mixed together and other more interesting techniques than getting two tunes the same speed and mixing one tune into another.

just my opinion thats all - for me DJin is about entertaining people via creative manipulation of music.. anything that allows us to do this more effectively is good as far as im concerned

LOL, I knew Id get grief for this!!!

theres a lot more to vinyl control than gettin the beats to match - I love the freedom of using vinyl for scratching, beat juggling and other manual manipulation but I think that if playing out live and if the tunes were the same speed you could do more with quick swap and change of tunes for beat mixing, double dropping, scratch mixing, 3 deck mixing, scratching over two tracks mixed together and other more interesting techniques than getting two tunes the same speed and mixing one tune into another.

just my opinion thats all - for me DJin is about entertaining people via creative manipulation of music.. anything that allows us to do this more effectively is good as far as im concerned

Besides Ableton and Cubase, what other software programs have the realtime warp function?

Warp function could be an interesting thing to add - i can imagine interesting creative applications for this.

if you had a sound with an interesting texture that you can use to scratch, you could warp it to change the sound itself. the warp function could also help with those beats that have timing drifts (real drumming based music) etc...... it could be an effect to realy f&ck up sounds or beats then manipulate on vinyl

everyone here makes good points on this subject. i use both ableton("spinning" house) and ssl(hip hop). i enjoy using both programs. its a matter of opinion. ssl is for the djs that enjoy beatmatching and a more "traditional" style of djing, ableton is good for djs that would rather have time to concentrate on other aspects of djing(effects etc.). whatever floats your boat.

Traktor uses something similar I believe "some sort of grid map"

Doesn't warping degrade the sound quality?

To warp tracks ableton has to convert it's tracks to WAV first, thus making the file sizes bigger, or so i'm led to believe.

What would be cool:

A UNIVERSAL warping and sound standard across all software and platforms (Win, XP, Linux), Lossless compression (FLAC or similar)with an universal standard in tagging and 96 KHz 24 bit quality.

Serato Scratch could be used as a plugin inside ableton and ableton files could be scratched and manipulated with control vinyl, looped with the Serato Program or manipulated inside ableton itself, the same file could be transfered between all similar programs with tagging cue points,loop points all being able to be used

THE FUTURE

Alac would rule but that's a different topic. :o)

How about this approach? Instead of the complete automatic warping implementation, make it manual like some kind of Pitch-expansion, or a Pitch Multiplier (e.g. SL1200 => Pitch range of +-8%, multiply by 3 and you get a pitch range of +-24%). This way you would be able to put a nice rap-vocal (95bpm) on top of e.g. a pumpin' and jumpin' Nubreakz track (130bpm) without having to replace your SL1200's with some Vestaxes which have superpitch.

Ok, you could work around this by taking the original file, warping that and save it to a different file. But to be able to use it with the entire Pitch range you would need like 3 or more versions of your vocal. And it's not 'on the fly'.

The way I see it, this would expand the creative possibilities allowing you to mix anything with anything (combined with keylock you won't get 2Pac sounding like the chipmunks :oP). And it would still stay more or less true to the traditional style of mixing 'cause you are controlling the decks... which is basically what SSL is all about... Control