check 2.1.1

But isn't that only still available if you use The Bridge? I don't use Ableton/Bridge, but I'd still like beatgrids not for any syncing purposes, just for the bar/measure count lines.

I think it would be great for more accuracy with loops, effects, and the sampler.
As a beatmatching option? Why not? But this has to have the options to be enabled/disabled.

for just counting, you don't need ableton.

You sure? I don't see the Grid Edit button or anything in 2.1.1 RC2. I don't have Ableton/Bridge. I though you needed those installed to get Beatgrids/Grid Edit to show?

Beat Grid would be massive !
Especially for music styles like 70's music or disco, where the beat needs some serieus gridding !!

Can't find in 2.1.1 with my setup

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I don't exactly want to fork out $700 odd dollars for Ableton just so I can use this feature.

This would be greatly appreciated if it was made available for regular SL users.

Would be fantastic if there would be a beat grid feature without the bridge.

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Well, as a work around, Ableton lets you download a free full 30 day trial of Live 8.2 and full use of The Bridge. Just download the trail, install, activate The Bridge, and then you'll have beat grids in Scratch Live. You can then delete Ableton it if you so wish, as you only need to activate The Bridge once initially to get the beat grids in Scratch Live and they should then remain thereafter even after deleting Ableton.

Konix, thanks for that info man!

kool

Can someone post a picture of SSL 2.1.1 beatgrid ?
I cant really find it on pictures ive seen.

Beat grid just make my mix really easier, open new possibilities.
I don't understand why this is not activate by default.

+1 to this.

You could view the beatgrid in SSL after you'd installed Ableton but now if you don't open Ableton the beatgrids don't appear any more as that was a bug.

Please put it as a tick box option in the set up Serato!

Although you can just keep the trial after the 30 days as it just disables the save function. The Bridge still works but you can't save your set.

It's a workaround.

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i have ableton..but i understand the guys...+1 for default

Just watch the video for beatgrid in ITCH. It's pretty much the same in SL.

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+1 option beat grind feature without ableton

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How about making the beatgrid the primary beat matching indicators and get rid of all the junk (peeks) in the middle. Also, allow the beatgrid to change the final BMP of a track. This would be much easier to do then tap the BMP, this would make the BMP perfect every time.

Are you saying to get rid of the waveform completly execpt for the Bar and 1/4 notes markers that the grid show? NO WAY!

No he's saying get rid of the "beatmatch waveform," the little one sandwhiched between the two main waveforms.

ohhh i see. my bad.
I dont look at it anyway so i dont mind if its gone, but it should be optional.. may a button to switch between the two?

I'd like to see the beatgrid as just "ticks" at the top and bottom with a solid line on the "one" (like how Traktor do it in the option set up).

It doesn't clutter the screen that way as i use my waveform zoomed out.

I hope Serato takes your idea and runs with it. I think this would make the beat grid cleaner and easy to follow.

I think there is a reason why it's the way it is.
Traktor doesn't have flexible grids (they wish :) so they don't need downbeat markers for every 4 beats.
Scratch Live / ITCH have flexible grids so the full markers are useful.

But:
There are still ways to solve the "problem".
a) by making it optional
b) by only showing the additionally set markers (the red ones)

I'd definitely prefer A though.

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as mentioned in some other threads it should be possible to get a quite 'pure' display if desired. all the fancy stuff should be optional so the user can choose

OK. So i got tired of waiting for Rane to realease this feature and i installed a demo of Ableton Live to get get it.
Questions:
After the 30 days Live trial do will i still have the beat grid activated?
Where is the beat grid informations stored? In the actual MP3s?

Yes, I think (well if I understood your question)

Yes, directly into the file (MP3 in this case).

imho nothing should touch the audio files at all. traktor mesed up my oggs for example and i don't get it why all the apps are storing their in stuff in the file directly snice they have their own db/settings anyway.

so what i would like to see is one single folder where the program stores all its info. no need to touch the actual audio files at all.

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It was Traktor
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You can transfer your music files to any computer without touching the existing database.

serato alters the files too and i'm not sure what you mean by 2.

Sorry, I mean that you can transfer your music files to any computer without touching the existing database ;) jk

Well...
You analyze your track, put a beat grid in it and set your cue points.

a) You have the information in your library.
Copy the file and transfer it to another computer: and you see nothing.

b) You have the information in your track.
Copy the file and transfer it to another computer: and everything will be there.

I had some tracks on my portable player this summer and we were at a friends house. We spontaniously decided to mix some tracks and it turned into a nice little party so we invited everyone who had some time. I connected my player into my friends Mac and had everything I needed to play as usual.
How often does this happen? Not often to be honest.

PS:
All you are doing is messing up with the tags. If you know how to handle them and have a decent tool (e.g. Mp3tag) you don't have to worry at all.
PPS:
And you should always have a backup. Btw: I love my Time Capsule :D

well that's a matter of taste. i'd prefer to have my files not touched. the program (no mater which) should store everything what belongs to it in its own place.
and i surely won't clean up any tags after on my own

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the beat grids in Itch and Traktor both suck. If SSL adds a beat grid, hopefully it works better than both of those.

i never liked the grid in Traktor either but in ITCH it's quick and effective imho.
i don't use sync but use the grid to check the tempo and as position indicators. quite handy i think

100% agree in any way possible - I use sync though but with Twitch you have to :)
I want beat grids in SL for visual reasons. And for even more accurate auto loops & loop rolls.

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i suggest to enable beatgrid which they use in bridge, so it's already inplemeted in software...just enable it in standard mode, and also to put an option in setup to enable it or disable it...so everybody can make a choice :)

One of the reasons why I'm still serato user and didn't jump on Traktor bandwagon is freaking beat gridding. I hope it never finds it way into SSL (and tbh I don't see a point in doing that since SSL is controlled by turntables/cdjs; I can understand incorporation into ITCh though).

if you don't like it just don't turn it on

Enough said. It's so simple.

@icb:
You know it's already in SL, right?

Hi there..I'm new on SSL..Can anyone tell me how to create beat grid on SSL? I got an ITCH so i'm used to using beat grid..Thanks!

need ableton

Oh i see..Thanks bro!

+1 for beat grid SSL no need Ableton

What do you mean bro?

He means beatgrids in scratchlive without ableton

Marks out the count 4,8,16,32 for easier looping, splicing, blending ect

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+1,000,000,000,000 That is exactly how i have mines setup!!!!

+1!it would be nice!

I hope beat gridding will never became mandatory, I have no use for it and looping already works great even without it.

Good point, I like that fact that you don't have to use them in SL. Trakor on the other hand, can do nothing other than play songs without beat grids, and beat gridding all your tunes takes forever!

But make it optional and it'd sweet.

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True.

I'm using it specifically to send data to my video stuff. For video precise beat information is valuable.

Come on SERATO.. Everyone one wants this... for ages!!! Of course with an option to turn it off for the few people that dont want it.

Just picked up SSL and ableton trial version! nice to see that my beatgrids that i made in ITCH transferred to SSL! I'm sure it's simple to make them work without ableton..so give the people what they want!

Would love this as well!

Seriously, SERATO people you need to step up your game. We, SCRATCH LIVE users, are currently missing features that are essential and almost considered as basic in other platforms, yet you seem to completely ignore us. Beatgrid, decimal BPM points, Auto sync, cue points, better SP-6 features, etc.

You are about to lose a huge number of your current customer base. We've accepted to pay a premium for your product because we wanted the stability of it. But beware, these days you are not anymore the only stable platform in the market.

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Im used to itch but i just upgraded to Scratch Live. There needs to be a beat grid option in Scratch Live asap! Kind of ridiculous that it doesn't already have it. Please update and put it in!!!!!

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You are fully expressing me my friend, for reasons that I cannot understand Serato seems to ignore our requests and almost it looks like has stopped development of THE main product they have.

Someone from SERATO needs to get in the picture and let us know what are their plans with this product.

kebzer, bro, you got decimal point BPM read out in horizontal view. Now can someone tell me how to TURN OFF the Beatgrid once its on?

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Their plan seams to be work on SERATO DJ, since now midi controllers sell like crazy to the dj-wannabes.. thats where the $ is. =(

what does this +1 mean? Is it a key combination for the beat grid option? how do you turn it on????

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LOL!
+1 Means you agree with the requested feature suggestion. ....

Agreed.