I can believe that having ability use 'midi learn' to remap ALL the simple button press operations needs to be addressed as a 'feature suggestion'. The dicer would be the only third party usb midi device which can't be completely remapped!!! This is especially sad considering that it is officially supported by serato.

Edit: I meant can't believe.

Im really quite dissapointed about this, serato have let me down and other users, really hope they change this in a future release

Its nice to know that im not the only person who thinks this should be changed

I think it would be cooler if we at least could change the presets.
I never use 1-beat-loops but very often 32-beat-loops. So it would be nice to change those settings.

+1

I think it should be possible natively.

There are workarounds however:
For Macs you can use Midipipe to alter the Midi messages.
For PC's I guess you can use Bome Midi Translator.

Should it be? YES, however the truth of the matter is that it is not.
Only two 'shift' scenes of scene 2 and 3 can be mapped/remapped. Regular scenes 1, 2 & 3 cannot be remapped, you're stuck with using the factory out-of-the-box settings. Loop roll is NOT the second most useful feature after cue points so why is it perminantly set to scene 2? I'd argue that non ttm57 owners would like to be able to scroll and load tracks without touching the computer rather than stutter a track and should not have to use up one of only two (per side) customisable scenes to do so.



Thanks for the suggestion Nik, however using the free version of Bome Midi Translator will only allow you to use it for 20 minutes at a time which is great for a youtube 10 minute mix however is useless any other time. The pro version of Bome Midi Translator costs around $80 which is almost the cost of the dicer its self!

It is already ridiculous enough that an officially supported piece of Serato hardware cannot be remapped to be used in the exact same program it was designed for. Now we have to buy third party software worth almost as much as the official hardware just so we can ditch loop roll or change auto-loop to a different series beat lengths. I might just stick with a non officially supported Korg Nanopad which is cheaper, can be mapped in SSL straight out of the box without additional software and does exactly what I tell it to.

DICER = GREAT CONCEPT EXECUTED VERY POORLY

www.midiox.com

Midi OX on Windows is free (for non commercial use) and it seems like it can alter MIDI data as well.

Thanks again for the suggestion and trouble shooting advice Nik. I do value your trouble shooting advice here on the forums and your massive contributions the unofficial Serato wiki however...

You should not have to use third party software in order to remap an official serato supported hardware release. That is like bringing out an official control record which has to be modified before it can even be played. One of my favourite guides is one you wrote on how to map the ttm57 in order to echo out of a track without changing scenes. This would not have been possible without the ability to remap the midi functions of the ttm57.

Similarly the Dicer provides LOT of potential but falls short in customisability for no apparent reason. There are many basic USB midi controllers which don't work natively out of the box with SSL however take less than 5 minutes to completely map to your liking without software. It seems as though the Serato team got too caught up in making sure that the dicer would work natively in 2.1 and forgot that MANY people prefer to map their own midi controls how they want. This is why this thread started because it is a needed feature in SSL, it is not good enough to simply say: "here's someone else's software which we don't officially support, maybe this will work with one of our official products".

Lets hope this gets changed in a future release

In 2.0 you can totally remap all controls but you cant get the lights to work and your settings dont save which is totally useless.

Come on Serato pull your fingers out and make in the next release possible to totally remap the Novation Dicer, I LIKE the product but i would LOVE it if you make this change.

Just to make clear.. I completely agree with you.

It's just that it will take time until we will see changes (if ever). So I'd rather have a workaround for myself, cause I really, really like the Dicer!:)

I think we are arguing the same point Nik, what differs is our approach. You prefer to find work-around solutions where I just think that the problem should never have occurred in the first place and should be rectified ASAP. I think the danger in providing a form of work-around solution here in Feature Suggestions means that the Serato staff may become complacent as pointing out: “something needs to be fixed!” gives a greater sense of urgency than “doesn't work how I want it to but found a way that kind of works so I’m happy”

www.djtechtools.com
this is just too bad!
i really considered buying a pair, but now, i won't if they don't enable us to remap.
i want fancy lights!

i want them to be slightly glowing all the time, and full light when toggled.
imagine having:
page one: cuepoints, colors matching the colors in the software. i have all my cues color coded, and having at least some colors would be great!.
and since i don't need 5 cue points - some other stuff.
page two: loops in green, just as in the software
page three to five: whatever

and we really need some sort of "midi out" out of serato!

I think Novation dicer are a great stuff for DJ sets, but it would be really nice if you could delete the pre-mapped MIDI setup and configure your map!
I want this to be possible in the next release of Serato

MZ

We need more people to agree to this to make serato take notice

Is there anyone from Serato or Rane to comment on this issue ????? as to if they are going to change this in a next release, or not or are thinking about it ????

Still no comment from Rane or Serato on this subject !!!!!

Anyone ??????????????????????????????????

Unbelievable. I expect this to get fixed.

I had hoped the loop pre-mapping button would follow whatever 5 beats were displayed on the screen like how it is when you press it via the keyboard shortcuts. I frequently loop a 1 beats and like to cut it down to 1/2 and then 1/4. Now for me to do it, I need to hold the loop-roll buttons to do so, a bit tricky

Sure, I can map it myself that way, I'd rather not have to hold the loop or loop roll function button then press the button.

HELLO SERATO ANY COMMENT HERE?
1. We are working on it.
2. We will not change it.
3. we dont care what you guys want we are just ignoring you.

I totally agree there is no reason not to be able to map all the buttons!

I did just get a set and they are really cool but I to would rather choose what does what!


what up son!!

Still no response from Rane - Serato - Novation. Massive let down so far on these controllers wish i had never bought them now.

the main problem is that scratch live has no midi out yet.
so lighting the buttons is not possible, just as it was with 2.0.

i think midi out is one of the next things they really need to do.

Personally I wouldn't mind having defult the colors for each scene and have 'midi learn' for ALL the scenes/buttons which doesn't require midi out.

def need toi fix this

The dicer is such a simple piece of hardware, they should have a config menu or application built in with it to customize it ON TOP of the midi-assign features.

The state its in at the moment is a real hassle if it doesn't suit your style. For a lot of people it was probably better suited to 2.0 without the native support!

Except you can't save the changes and have to re-map it everytime you restart SSL in 2.0. Agreed though, this HAS to change.

Still no response from Rane Serato or Novation !!! disappointing.

SORT IT OUT

I too am in this boat.

I pre-ordered the dicers 2 months before their release and when I finally hooked them up and mapped them EXACTLY how I wanted; even got comfortable with them .. adding something new to my technique; everything changed in this latest release of SSL.

I thought I must have been missing something. Some new tab in the midi settings labeled "DICER". No such luck. Completely locked into the default settings. This is crazy. I've never complained about anything Serato has done with Scratch Live, but this is seriously affecting my performance.

I'm going back to 2.0 and hopefully I can get my midi mappings to stick. Please remedy this ASAP.

Hurricane i totally understand i had the exact same problem, had them working nice in 2.0 then upgraded and now i wish i hadnt bought them.

And also have never complained about Serato and love scratchlive so stable never once had a problem untill now.

What makes it worse is that Serato and Novation are partners in this and not once have they come on here to tell us why we cant totally remap the Dicer

The only midi device out there that cant be remaped and its a Serato and novation product not a third party Company

Disappointing !!! really Disappointing !!!

So serato 2.2 in beta and still no way to totally remap Dicers to your own config, without using third party software

Disappointing

Response please

This thread was started on 17th August 2010 and Not one response from Rane, Serato or Novation.

RUBBISH

+1 to this whole thread. This needs to get addressed soon. A relatively simple fix for a large amount of user love. Please fix Rane, or at least acknowledge your buying populous as you are normally so good at.

another plus one. i want to map my sp-6 and the effects to the dicer.

why is this easier to do with traktor?

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acidbob,

I understand your frustration, but that doesn't make it acceptable to sell your things on our forum.

It was done in jest, have you got no sense of humour ??

The internet and sarcasm don't work particularly well together.

Well it looks that way

I would love to be able to midi map factory settings on the dicers because you could ... use them as drum machine functions in the SP6 sampler section without holding down a setting button at the same time and just use the main numbered dice buttons .............so would be more hands free especially for drum type use ........ and makes serato start to make sence having more than 4 sources playing at once ....the SP6 sampler should also be able to be in sync with decks the 3 on the left synced to the left deck and or 3 on the right sync to the right deck without using the bridge cause we all don't use abelton :P
Also instead of the loop factory setting it could be used with loops already per determined and jump from loop to loop would be nice then u have the ultimate mash up machine .....SERIOUSLY fix the factory setting thing PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ?????

Have you checked out the DiceTools?
serato.com <- click

Hi Nik i like the dicetools but you cant map effects to them, i not really worried about loops and cue points, i just want to totally remap exactly how i want them

That's an SL limitation and it has not been possible with pre-2.1 versions of SL either. It's because the buttons only serve as an on/off button. There is no knob with has more than these two values (on and off).

Going to buy a Korg Nano Kontrol instead, had enough of Novation Dicers a pile of crap wish i had never bought them now,going to lose money on them as well if i sell them.

I cant belive that something offically supported by Serato and Novation cant be totally remapped, but in Traktor it is.

Really starting to lose faith in Serato

And still NO response from Serato, Rane or Novation

And still no response from either company, 8 months and nothing.

stop bitching,you made the wrong purchase.
did you read up about the dicer before you spent £80(thats cheap as chips in my book)stop being a cheapskate!!!!!
maybe the midifighter will be more your thing.

oh and good luck with the nano

What do you mean stop bitching ???????

Yes i did read up about the dicers before i bought them and nowhere did it say i had to press two buttons to use fx sample player etc.

And i have now got the nanokontrol and it works perfectly everything mapped exactly the way i want it fx sample player loops , great purchase really pleased with it dicers now on ebay.

We'll talk about the Nano in a few weeks - when it has stopped working for you ;)

And what i am as you call it bitching is because no one from any of the companys involved have come back and with an explanation after all this time, thats all i want.

I have friend who has had his for about a year now (only just found this out) with not one issue, and has also bought another one for use in his home studio.

Lucky guy, I heard about a lot of DJ's who had problems with the Nano-whatever. The LPD8 seems to be a lot more rubust - same price range.

I think alot of it is to do with how you handle it, as i admit it is a bit flimsy but he has been transporting it about in a case and looked after it.

When I DJ and drum on it, I don't have time to think about how "to handle it" properly. The gear should work, I am not expecting Superman-powers from the hardware, it should handle the average daily DJ treatmeant ;)

come on Chris,on the box it says "dicer cue point and looping control for the digital dj"
not a word on the SP6 or pre-maping.
i have dicer for cues and loops,an lp8 for sp6 and fx and have launchpad and remoteSL for Live8.not one controller is great at everything(apart from the jazzmutant)

I look after my dj gear as it helps me to pay the bills, i have a sl1 which i have had for about 6 years with not one mark or scratch on it and not one issue ever.

I have not got one issue with serato as i love using it and never have a problem with it, just a bit annoyed with the no response to this question.

Dax

Full Serato integration
www.novationmusic.com

I wouldnt say that would you ????

maybe Serato/novation don't see it as a problem.but yes your right someone should have got back to you.
nice to know your now not a Sl hater and about to jump over to the dark side(traktor)

I was talking about transporting it about

ie just throwing it into a dj bag so it can get damaged.

I saw it got broken during gigs - not by uncareful transportation ;)

No i love serato would never go over to the darkside

Never had one drop out, crash or any other issues with it in 6 years or so

And have turned so many other people into serato users to, at least 10 people i can think of.

looking at the link what novation call full integration is cues and loops,
again no sp6 fx.
sorry i just cant see why its pissed you off so much,its a great bit of cheap kit.

The issue i dont get is that with 1.92 i can map it exactly how i want it (just doesnt save for next time use) surely this cant be hard to add into the software can it ?

I can understand that he is pissed.

Just curious why you didnt use the DiceTools, acidbob?

quotereportlinkAt 2:09 PM 26 January 2011
acidbob wroteHi Nik i like the dicetools but you cant map effects to them, i not really worried about loops and cue points, i just want to totally remap exactly how i want them quotereportlink
At 2:20 PM 26 January 2011
nik39 wrote

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you cant map effects to them

That's an SL limitation and it has not been possible with pre-2.1 versions of SL either. It's because the buttons only serve as an on/off button. There is no knob with has more than these two values (on and off).

So... that's how the effects work. There is physically no knob to turn on the Dicers.

I think I have to take Dax position: Why are you complaining again?

Because i have a right to complain itS called FREEDOM OF SPEECH

Sure, but you should have a reason to complain right?

yes you are right Chris you do have the right to complain.and being londoners we do like to sound off lol
but complaining about some £80 bit of hardware that work like its says on the box!!!!

oh i run a hack on my launchpad if that stops working should i sound off to novation or the guy who wrote the hack????????????????

Dax

yes you are right Chris you do have the right to complain.and being londoners we do like to sound off lol

Very good Dax that made me laugh, nothing like a bit of moaning on a monday morning especially after a weekend of no sleep as my new born baby wont sleep.

Thats enough moaning untill next time Dax and Nik39

Its been emotional !!!

Chris

congratulations on the new baby,boy or girl?

sorry if you think i was on your case mate,as you can tell i'm a dicer fan.

if you ever need any info on midi controllers or dicer drop me a PM

Baby Girl Thanks

Thanks Dax much appriciated

Chris

well congratulations again.
best start teaching her soon ;)
Watchwww.youtube.com

NP
as Londoners we have to stick together on here lol

Very True Dax

Thanks again

I can see that there are some unreasonable expectations with the dicer such as wanting to trigger the efx which is a little pointless without the added control of at least one rotary encoder. However, the ability to remap basic on/off functions on the buttons SHOULD be there for all the banks which is sadly missing. For instance I only use 3 cue points on each track, therefore there are 2 'left over' buttons in the cue point bank on each side which I never use. I would like to remap these one of these buttons as 'double track' and 'censor' however as it stands this cannot be done which is disappointing. Second up, I NEVER use loop roll and would prefer to use it for scroll track up, track down, load left, load right. Having loop roll is a useless bank for me as I always skip past it.

This is what believe should be fixed, using efx, changing colors etc don't really matter that much (although would be nice as a bonus). Lets try and stay on topic here people and maybe some will eventually listen because as soon as the whining and heckling starts, staff begin to take it less seriously!!!!

Any updates on this matter?

Hey all, any updates on the Dicer? I just bought a used set..if I can't entirely map, I'll return. Thanks.

Did you try using the DiceTools?

Hi Nik just thought i would update you on the Nanakontrol well over a year old and still working perfectly, never once had a problem with it, works everytime i plug it in.

Congrats. Seems like you belong to the 5% nation wo don't have any issues with the Nanos ;-)

Just kidding. Don't know any specific number, just that I have a few friends who bought the nano and it was problematic for them.

No problems like i said works perfectly never had an issue with it.

Hope all is good with you Nik and thanks for help and comments.

Is the any official response about deleting the pre mapped controls? It would make the Dicers so much easier and enjoyable to use.

This should be a must!

+1 for this idea

Guys, just use MidiPipe, don't wait for novation or serato!
You can then even use the buttons as knobs!

Is there a windows version of MidiPipe? and where can I download it, I keep finding dead links.

Or what would be a windows alternative. Thanks.

Bome's MIDI Translator

Does anyone have any presets for Bomes midi translator and the Dicers?

I could not get anything to work, it was a bit over my head.


Cheers.

any good articles on how to set up midi pipe and the dicers? (mac). Been a long time user of dice tools, thanks nik! Was wondering if i was able to get an led "toggle" for the on/off button i have set for the Serato FX by using midi pipe instead of Dice tools.

Or if there are any advantages of Midi pipe compared to dice tools?

:)