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MIXTAPE DANGER

ddj suspence 5:06 AM - 17 January, 2007
ITS NOT EASY MONEY ANYMORE

www.myfoxatlanta.com
Audio1 5:09 AM - 17 January, 2007
I knew making mixtapes wasnt all the way legit but man, even their equipment and cars were seized? I mean, Artists use DJ's to get alot of their product out and they dont come to the defense? RIAA is on some serious bullshit. What's next, All Serato DJ's arrested for DJing MP3's?
Audio1 5:11 AM - 17 January, 2007
Also, If I was a Mixtape DJ and I released various mixtape CD's every year, How is it that my own CD's are "Bootlegs" when Im the one who creates em, from the blends/mixes to the artwork, the tireless seeking of new talent, booking artists for freestyles/drops, printing, pressing... I dont get that. I wouldnt consider someone who drops their own mix CD's "bootleggers"...
ddj suspence 5:21 AM - 17 January, 2007
I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LAWS ON MUSIC
WHAT I THINK IS YOUR STILL MAKING SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE ELSE PRODUCTS MAKES IT ILLEGAL. YOU THINK??????


CAN SOMEONE STEP UP
AND SPREAD SOME KNOWLEDGE
D-Twizzle 5:27 AM - 17 January, 2007
damn, pretty crazy.
jayfunk 5:37 AM - 17 January, 2007
thats so wrong...........the 645i.......the macs and equipment not to mention the 50000 cd's that have been taken, DAMM!!!!!!!!!
Audio1 5:42 AM - 17 January, 2007
exactly, what do cars have to do with it ya know?
SF_JTRIX 5:43 AM - 17 January, 2007
I think its f*cked up how even though they didn't find any illegal contraband...the sherrif had the nerve to say that "illegal" activities like bootlegging CDs often leads to finding other forms of illegal contraband. I don't personally know Drama and Cannon, but I'm sure that they're doing it for the love of the music game and hustle...that statement that sherrif made was just shady because it's gonna reflect on other djs too.
Konix 5:44 AM - 17 January, 2007
Well, no offense, but that's what you get when you mass produce and sell unlicensed mix CDs. If you're going to sell and make money off mix CDs, then every track has to be licensed.

I do think that's pretty f'ed up though.
DJ Nevoc 7:46 AM - 17 January, 2007
Not to just play devil's advocat here, but from the looks of the report, its not like cannon and drama were selling their own mixtapes, but bootlegging other artist's CDs and DVDs.

Not to be petty but seems like they got greedy and got caught.

This does not apear to be your local DJ making a bunch of mixtapes and distributing them so you can get recognized IMO.
Dj KaGeN 8:00 AM - 17 January, 2007
what part of "website and selling" did you miss, or were you blinded by the bright RIAA jackets? Stinks of greed and bigtime copyright infringement. Ya the cop gave a cheapshot about guns n drugs, but hell - that's hip hop for ya. Spinning those lyrics and then playing the poor me card ???? You just cannot write the irony that this boasts.
DJ Nevoc 8:05 AM - 17 January, 2007
How could the cop NOT say that... I mean teh name of the recording studio had the word Gangsta Grillz in it...
dj nick dean 10:33 AM - 17 January, 2007
so just curious, how is clinton sparks "mix unit" any different? ya think they will be next?

gangsta grizzzilllls you bastads!
dj nick dean 10:53 AM - 17 January, 2007
i hope not cuz i like that site.....they have a lot of dope djs and mixtapes.
That Guy 1 11:21 AM - 17 January, 2007
Are you sure they were "bootlegging" other peoples' stuff? From what I'm hearing, the labels sponsored all their releases. Something may be really weird here.
DJ GaFFle 1:16 PM - 17 January, 2007
From what could be seen on the video, I only saw Gangsta Grillz and Aphilliate's stuff. That's their company/group. I always thought those tracks were done in conjunction with artists and their labels.
djknyce 2:14 PM - 17 January, 2007
they are done in conjunction with the artists and labels. like the little brother joint....they said on the disc that their label cut drama a check. the RIAA is shady....and no they were not bootlegging other artists cds!
DeeJay*CASPER 3:42 PM - 17 January, 2007
'i posted this as an answer in another post'

this wasnt even really about the cd's....they(feds) use that as an excuse to look into a drug-operation....in this case, the feds failed and will look stupid when the charges get dropped.
these cats had written permissions from the labels, producers, and artist to reduplicate the music.

watch and mark my word
kicko 4:27 PM - 17 January, 2007
I didnt see anything that was a straight up "bootleg" It looked like everything they sold was a "mixtape" of some type. So if labels supplied the promo tracks and the mixtape was music that has been altered and contains dj drops the the content has been changed into "commerical/promo" music ...shouldn't that be ok?. I can certainly understand a guy selling the new Nas on a cd-r for $5 but if the RIAA is going after dj's that help promote and increase sales then they are just plain dumb.
LoKey 4:33 PM - 17 January, 2007
It's pretty obvious that they're trying to pin him for some "real" crimes, like drugs, guns, taxes or whatever. If he's got paperwork that he got the endorsement of the record companies, he should be OK if they're just trying to get him on bootlegging.
AMF 5:14 PM - 17 January, 2007
Every record label promo person I've dealt with gives out music to DJs with the expectations of the DJs playing the music and/or putting it on a mixtape. How the hell can a label hire Drama to do the mixtape with one of their artists (like Jeezy) and then basically send the music police to get him??? Un-f**kin'-believable.

Now if I see "Thriller: the Mixtape" on the news and it's the album Thriller... that's a different story. Then he get what he deserves. But I don't think this is the case.
DjWoody 5:30 PM - 17 January, 2007
I dunno, but I saw a BUSTA RHYMES mixed tape and a CDR box labeled BEANIE SIGEL.
DJ FLATLINE 5:32 PM - 17 January, 2007
i'm kind of afraid to put out a mixtape now....should I be???
AMF 5:36 PM - 17 January, 2007
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i'm kind of afraid to put out a mixtape now....should I be???


I say you shouldn't be. Unless you're moving units like Drama is. If it's only a few hundred I think it won't be a problem.

Now if I'm ever off of the forum in the near future for an extended amount of time (6 months or so) then you might wanna stop making mixtapes. I was wrong. lol!!!
DJJOHNNYM 5:37 PM - 17 January, 2007
Ok, this is the beginning of the END. Chances are, this is a smokescreen for something bigger, but let's pretend that it's not. If they're selling CD'S OVER THE INTERNET, and gettin' LARGE, all it takes is 1 REALLY PISSED OFF PERSON to contact the RIAA, and blow a whistle. That's it. HELLO, chances are they didn't have OFFICIAL CLEARANCE from record companies to produce the CD's, BUT that's not saying the companies DIDN'T send them the material for PROMOTIONAL REASONS ONLY. Promotional means YOU PLAY THE MUSIC. THAT'S IT. You don't RE-SELL IT, because it's NOT your's to sell in the first place. IF YOU SELL IT, you're breaking the LAW. It's that simple. It's like you have to pretend we're in the days of JUST VINYL. What happens? The company sends you a PROMO RECORD. What are you supposed to do? PLAY IT. You can't SELL IT because you don't have a record presser in your basement. Or it you DO "SELL" it, YOU don't have a COPY anymore because you don't have a record presser in your basement. That's it folks. Just because technology has advanced, doesn't mean that BASIC COPYRIGHT LAW changed. But again, I agree, that was just the tip of the iceberg. DID THEY REPORT THEIR EARNINGS TO THE IRS? That's basically UNTRACEABLE MONEY. C'mon now...

This is the beginning of the END.
DJ FLATLINE 5:51 PM - 17 January, 2007
but he's not really making money off the music. The labels make all the money....I think when you buy a mixtape or mix cd, you're buying the persons time and effort, not the music......We as dj's cut the song short anyway. A lot of Artist make tracks for mixtape purposes only just so it hypes up they're upcoming album. Drama and Cannon are fortunate enough to be in the position where artists and labels give them track directly for that purpose....

So much grey and not enough black or white....
AMF 5:56 PM - 17 January, 2007
Good analogy JohnnyM. But I don't think this is what is going on in Drama's world. The label(s) seek him out to do the mixtapes for artists. So that makes it legal (in my eyes at least) what he does.

Now a dj who get mp3s in his/her email, throw them on a CD and sell 'em for $5... now THAT'S illegal! I don't care how much "time" and "skill" you put into it. Or how "dope" your intro is, it's illegal. No doubt about that.

U are 100% correct in what you said. But this doesn't apply to what's going on with Drama.
DJJOHNNYM 5:59 PM - 17 January, 2007
Of course he's making money off the music. NOT AS MUCH AS THE ARTIST ARE, but still, if that's his full time job, and he owns all that shit they CONFISCATED, HE'S HE WAS CHILLIN. The debate of buying the DJ's "time and effort", can easily be challenged...did he have LEGAL RIGHTS to MANIPULATE (REMIX/MASH), said song? Chances are no...the corporation may have SENT HIM the songs, but when it comes to court, they will say it was sent for PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. Yeah they KNOW he will probably put it on a mix tape, but they also know that's illegal, and they turn a blind eye. It would COST TOO MUCH for them to legally secure each song for him to remix. And THEN on top of that for him to "SELL". Much easier for him to mysteriously get a box of new shit, remix it, and distribute it at his OWN convienience. Record companies rely on a DJ'S HUNGER to get HIS NAME out there, while using the NEW SONGS. Ultimately, the record company gets FREE PROMOTION. And the DJ is left with trying to find loop holes to be able to distribute the shit AND make a profit for his "TIME", by saying you're paying for ARTWORK. That's flimsy at best. They rely on the uneducated DJ to do their dirtywork for them. The RECORD COMPANY should be paying for the DJ's time, and legitimize everything. Hell, make him an employee. He will be clear then.
tig ol' bitties 6:00 PM - 17 January, 2007
where is everyone looking. the link doesnt bring me anywhere but the homepage
DJJOHNNYM 6:01 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Good analogy JohnnyM. But I don't think this is what is going on in Drama's world. The label(s) seek him out to do the mixtapes for artists. So that makes it legal (in my eyes at least) what he does.

Now a dj who get mp3s in his/her email, throw them on a CD and sell 'em for $5... now THAT'S illegal! I don't care how much "time" and "skill" you put into it. Or how "dope" your intro is, it's illegal. No doubt about that.

U are 100% correct in what you said. But this doesn't apply to what's going on with Drama.


The labels seek him out because he has a LARGE FANBASE, and can get their shit OUT TO THE PUBLIC for a fraction of what the RECORD COMPANY SHOULD BE PAYING HIM. If they seek him out, they should make him an EMPLOYEE, thus protecting him from prosecution. It's a simple as that, and the RECORD company should take his MASTER, and distribute it THEMSELVES. That's how it's supposed to go.
LoKey 6:02 PM - 17 January, 2007
I doubt it's the end of the mixtape era. There's aways legal loopholes. You stamp "for promo use only" and charge 10 bucks for shipping and packaging labor fees, they can't touch you if you report all your earnings. I mean why is Limewire still going strong even after the whole Napster deal? Has illegal downloading stopped?? How many downloading lawsuits have come up after the four or five that happened a few years ago? People are always gonna find ways around things. Even if the whole mix CD hustle as we know it now with the website sales and what not dies down, you should know, as a DJ, theres gonna be some dudes who will find a way to put the music out.

Besides, if the record companies are smart, they should be the first ones fighting on the side of mixtape DJ's.
AMF 6:04 PM - 17 January, 2007
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where is everyone looking. the link doesnt bring me anywhere but the homepage


www.myfoxatlanta.com

look on the right hand side tig.
DJMello 6:08 PM - 17 January, 2007
They sell Drama's mixtapes on iTunes. Don't they have to get clearance through the labels and RIAA to sell music there?? I know that's altogether different than him selling them directly, but wouldn't that mean he did license them??
AMF 6:10 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Good analogy JohnnyM. But I don't think this is what is going on in Drama's world. The label(s) seek him out to do the mixtapes for artists. So that makes it legal (in my eyes at least) what he does.

Now a dj who get mp3s in his/her email, throw them on a CD and sell 'em for $5... now THAT'S illegal! I don't care how much "time" and "skill" you put into it. Or how "dope" your intro is, it's illegal. No doubt about that.

U are 100% correct in what you said. But this doesn't apply to what's going on with Drama.


The labels seek him out because he has a LARGE FANBASE, and can get their shit OUT TO THE PUBLIC for a fraction of what the RECORD COMPANY SHOULD BE PAYING HIM. If they seek him out, they should make him an EMPLOYEE, thus protecting him from prosecution. It's a simple as that, and the RECORD company should take his MASTER, and distribute it THEMSELVES. That's how it's supposed to go.


That's how it's "supposed" to go, but we are also in different times too. Record labels aren't gonna send anyone to the grimey spots that Drama's people will go to give out or sell those CDs. And I'm sure labels know after they pay him the $10,000 (or whatever it is) that he's not gonna take that $10,000 to press up CDs. Thus being left with nothing. They know what's going on. But the police went after the wrong dude. They need to be up in the gas stations in Detroit. Now THAT'S bootlegging.
DJJOHNNYM 6:11 PM - 17 January, 2007
It's not the END of the MIXTAPE era YET, because all the hardware isn't in place....but the ability to scan a device for a song and IDENTIFY it is there....(i.e. MySpace flagging copyrighted material, and making you take it down). All they have to do is TWEAK that technology, and implemet it into HARDWARE...Like ISP FIREWALLS. The reason why Limewire and a few of those companies STILL exist is because there were a lot of resources and TIME allocated to bring Napster down, for another one JUST LIKE IT to pop right back up....But let's say somebody invents a FIREWALL and sells it to your ISP or SATELLITE, or DSL company, that will only allow LEGAL DIGITAL MEDIA to use their resources, it will instantaneously be a WRAP. And if you think about it, they don't have to scan for ILLEGAL SOURCES, all they have to do is only ALLOW LEGAL SOURCES. If a source wants to become legal, then they have to go thru the process. So now imagine all ILLEGAL DIGITAL MEDIA not flowing thru the Internet SuperHighWay....or it's there, but you just can't get to it...That means DVD'S too.
DJ Limelight 6:14 PM - 17 January, 2007
The RIAA is mad cause Drama and Cannon are stylin' on 'em...

A few things... 1) I seriously doubt Drama needs to "bootleg" cd's. That's some bullshit. An estimate I heard from someone is radio is that Drama's Gangsta Grillz cd series alone has sold nearly 4 Million copies to date. I know dudes that have EVERY cd out of the entire series - and I'm 1,000 miles away from ATL. 2) Drama has a label deal much like DJ Khaled has and Funk Flex got back in the day. It's with Asylum. So if he was so "bootleg", people would know and no label would wanna f*ck with him.

Like someone said, artist, labels, etc come to HIM to make those CDs to promote the artists. The same goes for J.Period who does the "Best Of..." mixtape series. Hell, J.Period's cds have interviews with the ARTIST themselves.

This shit is also stupid because the people that buy the Lil Wayne Gangsta Grillz cd are mos def gonna go out and buy the Carter III because they're die hard fans. So the whole "he's taking money away from album sales" thing makes no sense. If anything, he's helping. TI, Young Jeezy and a host of other southern artists wouldn't be NEARLY as big nationwide if it wasn't for Drama. The first time I heard of Jeezy was from one of Drama's cds.

And what's up with the dude making reference to a "kilo of cocaine"? What the fuck does that have to do with the two DJ's? I bet they busted in thinking they were gonna find some or some shit. They're probably mad.

This government doesn't have anything better to do other than to f*ck with people getting their money legally - and Drama's is one of the most legal. Meanwhile, cocaine is still coming in by the boatload and Bin Laden is over in Pakistan smokin a blunt right now. I hope Drama's lawyers hand the RIAA their asses on a platter in court. Dickheads.
DJJOHNNYM 6:16 PM - 17 January, 2007
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They sell Drama's mixtapes on iTunes. Don't they have to get clearance through the labels and RIAA to sell music there?? I know that's altogether different than him selling them directly, but wouldn't that mean he did license them??


I would suppose they had clearance to sell SOME STUFF legally, and you'd REALLY have to look at and DETAIL exactly what he was selling on iTunes. It may have been his own artists...who knows? But again, companies depend on hungry DJ's to get their stuff out.
DJJOHNNYM 6:24 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Good analogy JohnnyM. But I don't think this is what is going on in Drama's world. The label(s) seek him out to do the mixtapes for artists. So that makes it legal (in my eyes at least) what he does.

Now a dj who get mp3s in his/her email, throw them on a CD and sell 'em for $5... now THAT'S illegal! I don't care how much "time" and "skill" you put into it. Or how "dope" your intro is, it's illegal. No doubt about that.

U are 100% correct in what you said. But this doesn't apply to what's going on with Drama.


The labels seek him out because he has a LARGE FANBASE, and can get their shit OUT TO THE PUBLIC for a fraction of what the RECORD COMPANY SHOULD BE PAYING HIM. If they seek him out, they should make him an EMPLOYEE, thus protecting him from prosecution. It's a simple as that, and the RECORD company should take his MASTER, and distribute it THEMSELVES. That's how it's supposed to go.


That's how it's "supposed" to go, but we are also in different times too. Record labels aren't gonna send anyone to the grimey spots that Drama's people will go to give out or sell those CDs. And I'm sure labels know after they pay him the $10,000 (or whatever it is) that he's not gonna take that $10,000 to press up CDs. Thus being left with nothing. They know what's going on. But the police went after the wrong dude. They need to be up in the gas stations in Detroit. Now THAT'S bootlegging.


It's not DRAMA'S responsibility (unless he choose to), to go to the grimey spots and sell CD's. As a matter of fact, that's what's really promoting "BOOTLEGGING". Let's be clear about this...for those living in RURAL AREAS, NOBODY is going to SAM GOODY to buy a CD. That's a fact. The bootleg man is your most TIMELY RESOURCE. These are mostly minority populated areas. NOBODY CARES ABOUT THOSE AREAS from a corporate point of view. The areas they CARE about are the MOSTLY WHITE HIPHOP AREAS, that will have a kid GO TO TARGET, and COP that HIP HOP CD and bump it in the BENZ mommy bought him. That's where the company money goes. All that other shit about promoting to GRIMEY AREAS is just additional CAKE....because truthfully, IF THEY NEVER promoted to those areas, it wouldn't make a dent to them financially one way or the other, because we're not buying from them...but they do GO TO CONCERTS, so they need to keep that fanbase. You can't bootleg the earnings from a concert.
CMOS 6:24 PM - 17 January, 2007
That will never happen johhny. They cant stop fuckin spam you want them to scan every piece of info flowing through a firewall for legality. Not gonna happen.
DJMello 6:26 PM - 17 January, 2007
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I would suppose they had clearance to sell SOME STUFF legally, and you'd REALLY have to look at and DETAIL exactly what he was selling on iTunes. It may have been his own artists...who knows? But again, companies depend on hungry DJ's to get their stuff out.


They're selling the Gansta Grillz series!! Not all of them but, the one he did with Lil Wayne, David Banner, even P.Diddy!! I don't really see how the have a case, unless he wasn't allowed to sell them himself with whatever deal they made.
LoKey 6:30 PM - 17 January, 2007
Johnny all I'm saying is that no matter what they do, people are always gonna find ways around the obstacles. There's other media besides CD's and MP3's. If they make it completely impossible to burn protected material on a CD, someone will just put it on a cassette.

I have a good feeling that Drama, Cannon and Gangsta Grillz will get out of this clean IF they're operations are completely legal (no drugs, all earnings reported). The dumbest move the record companies can make is to not have their backs. But like I said, I would'nt be surprised if they pulled a dick move and act like they didn't support Drama.
DJJOHNNYM 6:43 PM - 17 January, 2007
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That will never happen johhny. They cant stop fuckin spam you want them to scan every piece of info flowing through a firewall for legality. Not gonna happen.


I'm a computer technician, and I'm telling you...It's coming. All technology does is advance. Faster routers, faster downloads, faster computers, smaller files, no moving parts, all of that.

In actuality, they CAN stop spam, and they're GOING TO....Pretty soon, EACH PIECE OF MAIL that goes thru the internet will have to be ACCEPTED by the recieving party before they even see it. That technology is out there...WHY? Because they want to charge EVERYBODY for email going forward, and do you think someone is gonna want to PAY for SPAM? Hell no, so there are going to be things put in place that require the SENDER to PAY for what they want to send. It's a slow process, but it's coming.

You guys haven't heard of the proposal for paying for email? The post office charges .37 cents for 1 piece of regular mail. Charging 1 cent for five pieces of internet EMAIL that you KNOW are from legit sources (ya mother, father, girl, family member), will become the norm.

People will PAY not to recieve spam. Believe that.
DJ FLATLINE 6:43 PM - 17 January, 2007
this might help us who want to put out mixtapes:

***taken from wikipedia.org***

One important distinction between homemade mixes and retail compilations of pop music is that the latter generally obtain permissions for the use of copyrighted songs, while the former do not. As a result, mix tapes such as those produced and sold by club DJs in the 1970s are illegal (although rarely, if ever, prosecuted) under the definition of fair use expressed in the Copyright Act of 1976. Most mix tape enthusiasts assume that private mix tapes are inoffensive from a fair use standpoint, but this is far from clear. An article in the New York Times cites Frank Creighton, a director of anti-copyright infringement efforts for the Recording Industry Association of America, as saying that "money did not have to be involved for copying to be illegal." [2] While mixes on cassette tapes may not have inspired the wrath of the record industry in the past, Mr. Creighton said, "digital mixes have better sound quality." And given the proliferation of CD burning for friends and relatives, "it would be naive of us to say that we should allow that type of activity," he said. Others have argued that the Audio Home Recording Act protects the noncommercial use of home recording devices. (In general, it seems reasonable to conclude that individuals creating mix tapes for private use or one-off gifts are unlikely to be prosecuted under existing copyright laws.)
DJJOHNNYM 6:49 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Johnny all I'm saying is that no matter what they do, people are always gonna find ways around the obstacles. There's other media besides CD's and MP3's. If they make it completely impossible to burn protected material on a CD, someone will just put it on a cassette.

I have a good feeling that Drama, Cannon and Gangsta Grillz will get out of this clean IF they're operations are completely legal (no drugs, all earnings reported). The dumbest move the record companies can make is to not have their backs. But like I said, I would'nt be surprised if they pulled a dick move and act like they didn't support Drama.


Let's say Drama and those guys were clean in relation to no drugs or other "activities"....

Here comes the RIAA to the record company, and Drama, in a court of law, with reps from Artists in the stands.

RIAA: Did you (Record Company) give Drama records?

RC: Yes.

RIAA: Why?

RC: For "Promotional Purposes Only".

RIAA: Was he supposed to SELL THEM?

RC: No.

RIAA: Why?

RC: That's our job.

RIAA: Does Drama WORK for you?

RC: No.

RIAA: Is Drama your only customer?

RC: No, we send a LOT of DJ's Promotional Records.
DJJOHNNYM 6:56 PM - 17 January, 2007
See, the problem is this... That's the ONLY response a record company can give if Drama wasn't on their payroll. As soon as they say, YEAH we KNEW he sold the stuff, then the RIAA can sue the actual RECORD COMPANY for violating the artists' rights, by co-signing copyright infringement, and that's BIG BUCKS PER ARTIST. If it came down to the DJ vs. the Record Company, and the possibility of THAT record company co-signing RE-DISTRIBUTION of copyrighted material...man listen...

The little guy (DJ) is goin' DOWN.
LoKey 6:56 PM - 17 January, 2007
Ok we're going off topic, but...People only get spam becasue they put in their email in a million places. I get hardly any spam because I most of the non-personal emails I get are from place I order stuff from or subscribe to. It's working out fine for free, so why should anyone want to pay for email?? The post office can charge for mail becasue there's physical items being processed by people who don't work for free. But with email, no one has to physically carry the 1's and 0's. I'm the type of person who would rather not have email than pay for it. I keep in touch with everyone I want to, and in a month I might get 3 or 4 emails in my spam folder.
LoKey 6:58 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Johnny all I'm saying is that no matter what they do, people are always gonna find ways around the obstacles. There's other media besides CD's and MP3's. If they make it completely impossible to burn protected material on a CD, someone will just put it on a cassette.

I have a good feeling that Drama, Cannon and Gangsta Grillz will get out of this clean IF they're operations are completely legal (no drugs, all earnings reported). The dumbest move the record companies can make is to not have their backs. But like I said, I would'nt be surprised if they pulled a dick move and act like they didn't support Drama.


Let's say Drama and those guys were clean in relation to no drugs or other "activities"....

Here comes the RIAA to the record company, and Drama, in a court of law, with reps from Artists in the stands.

RIAA: Did you (Record Company) give Drama records?

RC: Yes.

RIAA: Why?

RC: For "Promotional Purposes Only".

RIAA: Was he supposed to SELL THEM?

RC: No.

RIAA: Why?

RC: That's our job.

RIAA: Does Drama WORK for you?

RC: No.

RIAA: Is Drama your only customer?

RC: No, we send a LOT of DJ's Promotional Records.


^^^^^^^^And like I said, that scenario would not surprise me one bit. Remember Record Company Rule # 1080. But in the long run It would be dumb of them to do it, becasue they'd be hurting themselves more than helping.
LoKey 6:58 PM - 17 January, 2007
correction: Record Company Rule # 4080
DJ Limelight 7:01 PM - 17 January, 2007
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See, the problem is this... That's the ONLY response a record company can give if Drama wasn't on their payroll. As soon as they say, YEAH we KNEW he sold the stuff, then the RIAA can sue the actual RECORD COMPANY for violating the artists' rights, by co-signing copyright infringement, and that's BIG BUCKS PER ARTIST. If it came down to the DJ vs. the Record Company, and the possibility of THAT record company co-signing RE-DISTRIBUTION of copyrighted material...man listen...

The little guy (DJ) is goin' DOWN.


DJ vs Record Company... So you seriously think Jeezy, Young Buck, TI, or Lil Wayne's label will sue Drama after he single-handedly boosted a few of their (TI & Jeezy's) careers?
DJJOHNNYM 7:05 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Ok we're going off topic, but...People only get spam becasue they put in their email in a million places. I get hardly any spam because I most of the non-personal emails I get are from place I order stuff from or subscribe to. It's working out fine for free, so why should anyone want to pay for email?? The post office can charge for mail becasue there's physical items being processed by people who don't work for free. But with email, no one has to physically carry the 1's and 0's. I'm the type of person who would rather not have email than pay for it. I keep in touch with everyone I want to, and in a month I might get 3 or 4 emails in my spam folder.


Do you HONESTLY think NOBODY is doing work to make sure you get email? Somebody has to manange those servers, put in those routers, maintain those ISP'S, and you PAY for that service via your ISP. Just because you don't see the people behind the technology, doesn't mean they don't exist. Hell, I "see" my postman about once a year, but I know my mail gets delivered every day.

And no, it's not just people who recklessly surf the web who get spam...

You can get spammed by not having an operating system that is protected by security patches. If you just attach a brand new PC to the internet w/out the right security patches or firewalls, you machine will be infected instantaneously.
DJJOHNNYM 7:07 PM - 17 January, 2007
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^^^^^^^^And like I said, that scenario would not surprise me one bit. Remember Record Company Rule # 1080. But in the long run It would be dumb of them to do it, becasue they'd be hurting themselves more than helping.


You don't think they're prepared for this type of thing already? You don't think Drama and them KNEW there was the SLIGHT possibility that something like this could happen?

C'mon now. As soon as you put "For Promotional Purposes Only", on your shit, you just rolled the dice.
DJJOHNNYM 7:13 PM - 17 January, 2007
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See, the problem is this... That's the ONLY response a record company can give if Drama wasn't on their payroll. As soon as they say, YEAH we KNEW he sold the stuff, then the RIAA can sue the actual RECORD COMPANY for violating the artists' rights, by co-signing copyright infringement, and that's BIG BUCKS PER ARTIST. If it came down to the DJ vs. the Record Company, and the possibility of THAT record company co-signing RE-DISTRIBUTION of copyrighted material...man listen...

The little guy (DJ) is goin' DOWN.


DJ vs Record Company... So you seriously think Jeezy, Young Buck, TI, or Lil Wayne's label will sue Drama after he single-handedly boosted a few of their (TI & Jeezy's) careers?


No, they won't SUE him, they'll come to a "Settlement".

But what you have to realize, is that this will be watched CLOSELY, and a precedent will emerge.

If the ruling is "OK NO PROBS HERE, AND YOU CAN CONTINUE", that won't work for a DJ who is trying to do the same for say, "The Beatles". Paul McCartney might NOT want his shit remixed. Period. Now you've just set a precedent that it's OK for a DJ to do this w/out permission? Man listen...

Young Jeezy and 'em might have been small before this cat made them large...SO THEY BOTH CAKE OUT.

But, say an already established Artist, might not condone that. And as a matter of FACT they can't. They're already crying about P2P Sharing of their copyrighted material, they can't POSSIBLY co-sign someone remixing their stuff without the proper paperwork.
DJ Limelight 7:25 PM - 17 January, 2007
^^^ I agree with you. I think this will set a precedent.

You're right about the Beatles. But didn't Dangermouse do the White Album a few years back? I KNOW he didn't have clearance to use those instrumental$.

The problem is, I think they picked the WRONG dude. I think the RIAA is focusing on "bootlegging" when, in fact, Drama/Cannon are making mixtapes. I think the two issues are different. Bootlegging: No defense at all. Mixtapes: Many defenses. Notice in the report, the dude from the RIAA said, "thousands of what appear to be bootleg/ counterfeit cds". So I don't even think they understand what's going on with what Drama & Co were doing. The RIAA crackdown is focused on bootlegging more so than us mixtape DJ's.
LoKey 7:28 PM - 17 January, 2007
For both out topics:

1) I use regular-ass Yahoo email. Like I said, I gets hardly ANY spam at all and never got a virus, worm, spyware or anything like that from an email. Works beautifully for me. And it's free. If I have to start paying for the same service, I'd rather not have email. I have a cell phone with text messaging and I already pay for that.

2) Regardelss of the outcome of this event, DJ's will always find a way to put music out. Drama was moving large amounts, which is the only reason he was targeted. THe kid from Napster was making millions and in a sense, he monopilized the downloading games, so he was targeted. The govt. will always target anyone making alot of money in non-traditional ways. In The MixCD game, it's hard to keep track of how many units Drama was moving and how much money he was making from those CDs, so they investigated him. He might do 10 years in jail, who knows, but this is more than likely being done to make an example of someone. The mixtape format will never go away.
DJ Limelight 7:30 PM - 17 January, 2007
ATTN: THE RIAA DOESN'T WANT US STYLIN' ON THEM:

As part of its report, the RIAA for the first time has identified 12 “priority” cities as part of its nationwide physical goods piracy assessment. These cities – Atlanta, Austin, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, Providence, San Diego, and San Francisco – are all “hot spots” of music theft, with significant piracy problems from the manufacturer level all the way down to the point of retail sale. The RIAA will step up law enforcement training and commit additional investigative resources in all of these cities in the coming year.

www.riaa.com

That was taken from the RIAA website! If you live in any of those cities, be warned.
CMOS 7:35 PM - 17 January, 2007
RIAA needs to go to Canal st and them african dudes on the sidewalks and leave the dj's alone.
DJJOHNNYM 7:36 PM - 17 January, 2007
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^^^ I agree with you. I think this will set a precedent.

You're right about the Beatles. But didn't Dangermouse do the White Album a few years back? I KNOW he didn't have clearance to use those instrumental$.

The problem is, I think they picked the WRONG dude. I think the RIAA is focusing on "bootlegging" when, in fact, Drama/Cannon are making mixtapes. I think the two issues are different. Bootlegging: No defense at all. Mixtapes: Many defenses. Notice in the report, the dude from the RIAA said, "thousands of what appear to be bootleg/ counterfeit cds". So I don't even think they understand what's going on with what Drama & Co were doing. The RIAA crackdown is focused on bootlegging more so than us mixtape DJ's.


I know there tracked that DangerMouse cat down and initally had a problem with him....to set an example of what NOT to do....But the issue was that he STILL had talent at what he DID, so it's conceivable that some type of "Settlement" was reached that allowed him to create "Remixes" of whatever, but that the Record company had a hand in it.

That's the issue, if the Record company ISN'T making any money, there's a problem. Jeezy comin' out and havin' Drama push, is FREE PUBLICITY, thus a JUMP START that the record company DIDN'T have to do.

But say, Columbia releasing Beyonce' shit, and then you COP IT, and sell it YOURSELF, (with your own little remix or not), and YOU CAKE, it's a PROBLEM.

I agree about the MIXTAPE vs. BOOTLEG thing, but the two practices are essentially the same thing. You are still distributing material that you don't have the RIGHT to. The only difference is that the DJ is arranging the songs in a certain order.

That's it.
DJJOHNNYM 7:37 PM - 17 January, 2007
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So if a DJ can make a mixtape and sell (emphasis on "sell") thousands of copies for personal profit with no compensation to the artists on the mixtape just because he's a DJ and "promoting the artists", couldn't the same argument be applied to sampling?


Yes. It is EXACTLY the same argument. You took somebody else's work and REWORKED IT your way, and sold it.

Illegal.
ddj suspence 7:39 PM - 17 January, 2007
wow, now that we know the consequences on puting down what we love to do on cd
whats going to happen to the
mixtape awards
DJJOHNNYM 7:39 PM - 17 January, 2007
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RIAA needs to go to Canal st and them african dudes on the sidewalks and leave the dj's alone.


NOOOOOO! How will I get my illegal bootlegs that I need to make my illegal MIX CD'S then?

LOL.
CMOS 7:40 PM - 17 January, 2007
Its amazing the shit that is bootlegged on canal st. From jordans to beyonce.
Monk-A 7:43 PM - 17 January, 2007
You can buy a fake beyonce? *buys plane ticket*
DJJOHNNYM 7:43 PM - 17 January, 2007
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wow, now that we know the consequences on puting down what we love to do on cd
whats going to happen to the
mixtape awards


Precisely.

The JOB of the DJ is to PLAY MUSIC. Not distrubute it in any shape, form or fashion. Point blank.

They didn't make a big fuss outta Cassettes because they were low quality, and not able to be reproduced in BULK....

Now you've got CD's, with ZERO drop in quality. And the internet...as your distribution network.

That's problem.

Have y'all ever seen a picture of Kid Capri's DJ room from back in the day? A million damn cassette decks....lol.

All illegal unless he was producing his OWN artists and material. But who was gonna track down ONE CAT sellin' cassettes out the back of his trunk?
DJJOHNNYM 7:44 PM - 17 January, 2007
*That's a problem.
ddj suspence 7:49 PM - 17 January, 2007
aaaahhh!!!!!!

canal st. (bootleg hub)
DJ GaFFle 7:53 PM - 17 January, 2007
Those guys (Drama/Cannon) need to be more worried about the IRS than the RIAA. The whole thing in very unfortunate.
DJ Limelight 7:54 PM - 17 January, 2007
If anyone wants to pay $13.00 for shipping and handling for a free mixtape, holla at me.
DJJOHNNYM 8:00 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Those guys (Drama/Cannon) need to be more worried about the IRS than the RIAA. The whole thing in very unfortunate.


EXACTLY!

This is going to again, be watched VERY CLOSELY...the RIAA has talked the talk, now here's where they have to walk the walk.

This is nothing more than CONDITIONING FOR THE PUBLIC to get others to stop doing this type of thing.

Remember when they were raiding people's computers because of SHARING ILLEGAL FILES? I mean PARENTS had to ante' up a few 1000 bucks in FINES for what their Middle School kids did on the computer! They put that shit all over the media.

What did a LOT of people do? They stopped file sharing, and went to legit sources. It works.
LoKey 8:05 PM - 17 January, 2007
I'm not big into the Gangsta Grillz series, so how many actual album cuts make a Drama CD? With all the freestyles and unreleased joints (I'm assuming) he gets, how much money are the labels really losing from this VS. how much they make from the promotion? They can never pin down these stats, so if it's coming down to "stealing" from record companies................

I just dont' get this whole thing. Drama must have pissed somebody off becasue if anything he was making money for these people. The labels KNOW the mixtape hustle and they welcome it, wether they admit it or not. They've been looking the other way for years until now, why would they shit onthe biggest name in the game?

The authorities raided WITH A SWAT TEAM. After they said they've been investigating for some time. If it was just a case of copyright infringement, wouldn't a "cease and desist" letter been mailed first? No matter how illegal the sale of these mixtapes are, these things go to court. There are lawsuits, not police raids.
DJJOHNNYM 8:22 PM - 17 January, 2007
EXACTLY @ LoKey....the "Bootlegging" allegation is MOST LIKELY a smoke screen...OR, he could have pissed someone off that went to the PROPER AUTHORITIES, and said, hey look, he's driving "X" amount of different cars, owning studios, etc..etc...He "CAN'T" be doing something LEGAL....which gives the RIAA the perfect opportunity to say, "Hey, we WARNED you guys that we weren't going to put up with copyright infringement!", and make an example out of him.
kicko 8:33 PM - 17 January, 2007
Canal st stuff is not "real"????? aww man!
from RIAA site:
"Watch for Compilations that are “Too Good to Be True": Many pirates make illegal "dream compilation" CDs, comprised of songs by numerous artists on different record labels. "

So does that mean Compilations that have only a few good songs are the only legit one's?

Soon i heard if you whistle your fav tune you can get sued as well.
DJ Limelight 8:48 PM - 17 January, 2007
Man. I wonder if they busted in on Ken Lay and Enron with SWAT and shit. Them dudes ruined peoples lives.
CMOS 8:54 PM - 17 January, 2007
I member back in the day we used to buy the fake Chanel bags and sell em at half the retail price. Them shits had serial numbers and everything. Damn cops hadda stop our fun.
DJJOHNNYM 9:32 PM - 17 January, 2007
Even if you think about it...Buying a CD for it's ARTWORK might be questionable too...Unless you created the artwork entirely on your own....

For example, how many people have used pics of Artists on their CD covers? Did you get permission to use that person's "likeness"?

Chances are no...

Now if you did a cover with all original lettering and non copyrighted graphics, then you're good.

There's a multitude of laws being broken all the time...due to ignorance or just the need to make a buck.

Most times it's ignored until somebody makes TOO much money.
CMOS 9:34 PM - 17 January, 2007
I think Johhny secretly works for RIAA.
DJJOHNNYM 9:42 PM - 17 January, 2007
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I think Johhny secretly works for RIAA.


I WISH! Cuz then, I'd get my Xmas bonus by rounding up you guys, luring y'all to a "Serato Scratch Off Tournament", with representatives on both the East Coast and West Coast, and swoop down on you with my SWAT TEAM, and run y'all in.

We could do a plea bargin by having you all send me your TT57's, and we'll send you a Realistic mixer instead.
CMOS 9:48 PM - 17 January, 2007
See that fellas he's already got it all worked out for next year.


What would be the appropriate term for an MP3 cop. You know like a narc is for drugs, vice is for hos', who does mp3's?
Thundercat 9:49 PM - 17 January, 2007
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Even if you think about it...Buying a CD for it's ARTWORK might be questionable too...Unless you created the artwork entirely on your own....

For example, how many people have used pics of Artists on their CD covers? Did you get permission to use that person's "likeness"?


I'm am one of those people that markets myself and my own liekness on my mix CD's (unless I'm doing a ghost joint). My pic, my graphics & fractals and my layout. I'm vane like that...;-)
DJJOHNNYM 10:07 PM - 17 January, 2007
Damn, am I really turning into a mp3 cop? I need to get out more...
DJ Limelight 12:11 AM - 18 January, 2007
^^^ Johnny is an informant ya'll! *looks out window for SWAT van*

LOL!
DJJOHNNYM 12:16 AM - 18 January, 2007
***realizes cover is blown! Calls for backup! Hauls in all of the forum members, even those who don't have Serato. Shuts down Crooklyn Clan to gain free access to the vault...to examine the "evidence"....

Sends out emails that I am available to do EVERYBODY'S PARTY now...lol.
Dj KaGeN 12:21 AM - 18 January, 2007
I rock vinyl only.
DJ Limelight 12:38 AM - 18 January, 2007
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***realizes cover is blown! Calls for backup! Hauls in all of the forum members, even those who don't have Serato. Shuts down Crooklyn Clan to gain free access to the vault...to examine the "evidence"....

Sends out emails that I am available to do EVERYBODY'S PARTY now...lol.


LMAO!
Audio1 12:39 AM - 18 January, 2007
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I rock vinyl only.

the time coded variety!
Dj KaGeN 12:40 AM - 18 January, 2007
lol... maybe
Dj Goldade 12:40 AM - 18 January, 2007
I dont wanna read the whole thread.. so sorry if it hasnt been mentioned before... but I think you guys forget that just cause you own the promotional copy, doesnt mean you own a commercial liscence.. so selling a mixtape without the liscence is illegal.. and I don't know how things work in the states.. but in Canada, nobody's going to go to jail from sellin mixtapes at the club for a few bucks
dj ruin 12:55 AM - 18 January, 2007
now what do you think will happen to drama and cannon, 10 years? or is it too early to tell i mean they did say they took everything including bank statements. etc..... i know a lot of units were sold def in the millions. sux for those guys working there whole life for what was takin..im gonna go work on a mixtape now.
DJ Limelight 12:57 AM - 18 January, 2007
^^ Well. That's normally how it works here too. It only becomes a problem when you have BMW's, Lamborghini's and a nice home like Drama and co. And you happen to be black or brown.
DJ Limelight 12:58 AM - 18 January, 2007
^^ Dj Goldade
DJ MAC com au 2:16 AM - 18 January, 2007
Here is the link to the judgement for a case in the Federal Court of Australia where the record labels banded together to sue some Sydney DJs for illegal mix cds.

www.austlii.edu.au

Urban music really wasn't being represented on the Australian Top 40 charts at the time and these DJs were helping to promote the music and introduce new artists etc. They were some of the top and highest profile DJs in Australia at the time and they even told the Court that the majority of the CDs were given out for free at clubs that they played at and that they only sold 7 CDs on Ebay.

And well, the results speak for themselves - Awards in favour of the Record Labels for between $35,000 and $7,000 against each DJ. And the only reason the Awards were kept so low was because of financial hardship evidence introduced to the Court on the day of Judgement in favour of each of the DJs and the inference that if the Awards were any greater the DJs would just file for bankruptcy and the Labels wouldn't see a single cent from the Awards.

It's food for thought . . .

Remember that the legal and investigative fees that the labels spend in prosecuting these types of cases are tax deductions for them. These types of cases will continue to be filed in superior courts around the world as Record Labels look for more tax deductions as their costs of packaging music (ie. vinyl pressing, CD burning etc) reduces with the advent of online music stores etc.

Mac
DJJOHNNYM 2:18 AM - 18 January, 2007
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^^ Well. That's normally how it works here too. It only becomes a problem when you have BMW's, Lamborghini's and a nice home like Drama and co. And you happen to be black or brown.


Amen.
DJJOHNNYM 2:26 AM - 18 January, 2007
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Here is the link to the judgement for a case in the Federal Court of Australia where the record labels banded together to sue some Sydney DJs for illegal mix cds.

www.austlii.edu.au

Urban music really wasn't being represented on the Australian Top 40 charts at the time and these DJs were helping to promote the music and introduce new artists etc. They were some of the top and highest profile DJs in Australia at the time and they even told the Court that the majority of the CDs were given out for free at clubs that they played at and that they only sold 7 CDs on Ebay.

And well, the results speak for themselves - Awards in favour of the Record Labels for between $35,000 and $7,000 against each DJ. And the only reason the Awards were kept so low was because of financial hardship evidence introduced to the Court on the day of Judgement in favour of each of the DJs and the inference that if the Awards were any greater the DJs would just file for bankruptcy and the Labels wouldn't see a single cent from the Awards.

It's food for thought . . .

Remember that the legal and investigative fees that the labels spend in prosecuting these types of cases are tax deductions for them. These types of cases will continue to be filed in superior courts around the world as Record Labels look for more tax deductions as their costs of packaging music (ie. vinyl pressing, CD burning etc) reduces with the advent of online music stores etc.

Mac


Now THAT'S that bullshit...but hey...This is EXACTLY what could happend IF they tried to get gully. Sue a few Medium Sized DJ's...(The Funk Flex's and Jazzy Jeff's are obviously out of this league), but cats like AM, Crooklyn Clan, Spinbad, you know, those that are big enough to be seen in the public eye...Because them suing ME, ain't shit.
DJJOHNNYM 3:05 AM - 18 January, 2007
Here's the piece that I think we all would be concerned about:

If the respondents’ (DJ's) infringements of copyright had been limited to creation of one or more of the compilation CDs for use only by the respondent (DJ) himself, so as facilitate his presentation on a particular occasion, I would have taken a less serious view of the infringements. If that had been the case, it would be difficult to see that the applicants (record co./artist) had been injured by the infringement; indeed, they might have benefited from audience members being exposed to particular sound recordings and, thereby, influenced to buy a particular album or albums from a legitimate retailer.
However, the respondents went further than to produce the compilation CDs for their own use. They gave away, or sold, hundreds of copies of the compilation CDs, thereby reducing the likely demand for legitimate copies of the copyright sound recordings. The free distribution was intended to advance the disc jockey’s popularity and, therefore, his career. The sales were for the disc jockey’s financial advantage. Under either scenario, the respondents knowingly trampled on the applicants’ rights for their own ultimate financial gain.
DJ d.range 3:08 AM - 18 January, 2007
i think it would be a mistake for the record companys to not suppprt drama in this situation--if they let drama go up the river for this,IMO, the record co.'s could lose the support of th DJ worldwide

on the other hand, if you put "for promo use only" on a mixtape and go ahead and sell it then thats your bad
i like the way mixtape kings does it: $7.00 for a mixtape kings sticker & a free cd



i couldn't find the story on the foxatl site either, here's another one i found
www.mtv.com
DJ d.range 3:11 AM - 18 January, 2007
also, i don't understand why charging a fee for the DJ's time and effort (like crooklyn clan) isn't a loophole???
DJ MAC com au 3:29 AM - 18 January, 2007
C'mon D Range, you don't really buy that business about "the music is free, the compulsary donation is just for our time" BS do you?

That's like being caught buying drugs and saying, no I just paid for the packaging, the drugs were a gift. C'mon . . . at the end of the day the purchaser tenders money and gets a mash-up in mp3 format in return. You can dress it up and call it whatever you want, but that's what the transaction amounts to!

Same goes with mix CDs, whether you say that you're buying a stick, art work, or whatever - the law looks at what exchanged hands - ie. money for a sticker and a CD.
DJJOHNNYM 3:31 AM - 18 January, 2007
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also, i don't understand why charging a fee for the DJ's time and effort (like crooklyn clan) isn't a loophole???


It's a loophole because you are doing something you have no business doing in the first place. What I mean by that, is that you're "taking the time" to remix something that you don't have the "license" to distribute. You can remix it ALL DAY AND NITE, for your OWN pleasure, and for PLAYING for a crowd, but you can't SELL it or GIVE it away. That's like you working for a job for 8 hours a day, and then randomly staying ANOTHER 8 hours of OT, JUST BECAUSE, and expecting to get paid. No, you can't do that, because your boss didn't authorize it. Then you take it FURTHER, and whatever product you make at your job, you REPACKAGE IT, and SELL IT, and keep the profit. Illegal.
DJJOHNNYM 3:32 AM - 18 January, 2007
* It's NOT a loophole...
DJJOHNNYM 3:34 AM - 18 January, 2007
***Personal Memo***
I can't stand you Nik, because I'm now I'm getting tired of looking at MY OWN SELF type in caps....Damn u.
dj disturbed 3:37 AM - 18 January, 2007
^^^^^^^^^LMFAO^^^^^^^^^^^
DJ d.range 3:38 AM - 18 January, 2007
i don't belive it but i'm not a lawyer, i'm sure somehow it could be justified


i just saw th foxatl story, i found a better link (www.myfoxatlanta.com)

if u look at the time in the corner it says 10:01, in ny fox local news comes on at 10pm-- was this really the top news story out there??????????????
DJ d.range 3:41 AM - 18 January, 2007
DJ MAC com au 3:46 AM - 18 January, 2007
There are loop holes.

1. Only use music that you own the rights to ie. music that you've produced or bought the rights to from the owner of those works; and/or

2. Only use music that you have obtained an expressed written authority/release from the appropriate record label or intellectual property owner.

That's how you get around it legally!
DJ MAC com au 3:52 AM - 18 January, 2007
Of course those really aren't loop holes, it's just fair use of works which you have a lawful interest in.

If you're making a small number of mix CDs to hand to promoters or club owners as a audio resume of your ability & style as a DJ and you're not distributing these CDs for profit - then you would never have an issue with the law!
DJJOHNNYM 4:00 AM - 18 January, 2007
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Of course those really aren't loop holes, it's just fair use of works which you have a lawful interest in.

If you're making a small number of mix CDs to hand to promoters or club owners as a audio resume of your ability & style as a DJ and you're not distributing these CDs for profit - then you would never have an issue with the law!


Negative....

Well, you might not have an issue with the law simply because of the amount of CD's distributed, and the cost associated with prosecuting you over a few CD's...but it is still illegal.

Aint' that some shit?

Basically, you could provide a potential client with a mix, but technically then when they're finished reviewing it, they must give it back to you, or destroy that copy.
Thundercat 4:08 AM - 18 January, 2007
Bloody hell! Will anyone that ever downloaded any of my mixes kindly destroy them now? Thanks! The mere thought of me engaging in any illegal activity gives me the heebie jeebies. I'm not a heathen like you guys.
DJJOHNNYM 4:10 AM - 18 January, 2007
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Bloody hell! Will anyone that ever downloaded any of my mixes kindly destroy them now?
Nah man, I'm about to get in the van and "Chill" rite about now...
DJJOHNNYM 4:11 AM - 18 January, 2007
Oh, and if you've downloaded mine, kindly put other DJ Drop names in there, and pass it off as a Ghost DJ Mix...That is all.
AKIEM 4:37 AM - 18 January, 2007
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i think it would be a mistake for the record companys to not suppprt drama in this situation--if they let drama go up the river for this,IMO, the record co.'s could lose the support of th DJ worldwide



RIAA is the record labels
DJ MAC com au 4:43 AM - 18 January, 2007
Damn! Somebody needs to get out and produce mission impossible blank CDs for us DJs to use. Once the CD has been played through once, it explodes! LOL
DJ d.range 5:02 AM - 18 January, 2007
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Bloody hell! Will anyone that ever downloaded any of my mixes kindly destroy them now?
Nah man, I'm about to get in the van and "Chill" rite about now...


by "chill" dou you mean smoke a blunt??




thats what i call it
ddj suspence 4:01 PM - 18 January, 2007
and lil wayne speaks out

www.mtv.com
DJJOHNNYM 4:40 PM - 18 January, 2007
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Bloody hell! Will anyone that ever downloaded any of my mixes kindly destroy them now?
Nah man, I'm about to get in the van and "Chill" rite about now...


by "chill" dou you mean smoke a blunt??

thats what i call it


Nah man...I'm drug free... I meant turn the music up, turn the heat on, hit the turnpike, and press Cruise Control....
ddj suspence 7:38 PM - 19 January, 2007
i like to thank everybody for your thoughts on this topic

i know the situation is bad for us dj but...fu{k that
money is money
and to keep up with the cost of awear habbit
we need to make it work for it self.
to end this im going to say
"keep your head up and do what you got to do"
s42000 9:08 PM - 19 January, 2007
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i don't belive it but i'm not a lawyer, i'm sure somehow it could be justified


i just saw th foxatl story, i found a better link (www.myfoxatlanta.com)

if u look at the time in the corner it says 10:01, in ny fox local news comes on at 10pm-- was this really the top news story out there??????????????


YES
Unfortunately this was the closet thing to murder. The news usually begins with a murder.
lotty 9:56 PM - 19 January, 2007
I think what could have prevented this would have been the aphiliates copyrighting each of the gangsta grillz mixtapes.

The riaa most likely looked for copyrights before doing the raid and if they didn't find any, they most likely assumed it was counterfeit.

I don't think they have time to look at every case to see if it is "legit" because an artist agreed to it or they worked with the dj.

They just probably look at the paperwork just like the law does when they decide to charge you for something or not.

If your business isn't in order(paperwork), they don't have time to go through other things to see if it's all in accord to something being legal, they will just arrest you and then once you get bail you can solve everything BUT the law officials and everyone involved in the case will still get paid. It's all about MONEY.

All a dj who has an exclusive mixtape has to do is copyright the actual mixtape by sending the whole cd in the copyright office and they will get something showing that they did the process or it's in order to be done and this will cease the whole process of being under investigation by the riaa and law enforcement. Peace.
That Guy 1 10:32 PM - 19 January, 2007
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All a dj who has an exclusive mixtape has to do is copyright the actual mixtape by sending the whole cd in the copyright office and they will get something showing that they did the process or it's in order to be done and this will cease the whole process of being under investigation by the riaa and law enforcement. Peace.


Are you sure?
dj disturbed 10:34 PM - 19 January, 2007
lol.. i doubt that.. b/c you have to have the rights to use the songs on the mixtape in the first place
DJ Pryme 10:36 PM - 19 January, 2007
this is an excellent article from the new york times that actually explains the situation in a rational context.


With Arrest of DJ Drama, the Law Takes Aim at Mixtapes

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By KELEFA SANNEH
Published: January 18, 2007

In the world of hip-hop few music executives have more influence than DJ Drama. His “Gangsta Grillz” compilations have helped define this decade’s Southern rap explosion. He has been instrumental in the careers of rappers like Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne. He appears on the cover of the March issue of the hip-hop magazine XXL, alongside his friend and business partner T.I., the top-selling rapper of 2006. And later this year DJ Drama is scheduled to make his Atlantic Records debut with “Gangsta Grillz: The Album.” Now DJ Drama is yet another symbol of the music industry’s turmoil and confusion.

On Tuesday night he was arrested with Don Cannon, a protégé. The police, working with the Recording Industry Association of America, raided his office, at 147 Walker Street in Atlanta. The association makes no distinction between counterfeit CDs and unlicensed compilations like those that DJ Drama is known for. So the police confiscated 81,000 discs, four vehicles, recording gear, and “other assets that are proceeds of a pattern of illegal activity,” said Chief Jeffrey C. Baker, from the Morrow, Ga., police department, which participated in the raid.

DJ Drama (whose real name is Tyree Simmons) and Mr. Cannon were each charged with a felony violation of Georgia’s Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization law(known as RICO) and held on $100,000 bond.

The compilations produced by DJ Drama and his protégés are known as mixtapes, though they appear on CDs, not cassettes. Mixtapes have become a vital part of the hip-hop world. They are often the only way for listeners to keep up with a genre that moves too quickly to be captured on albums. On a mixtape you can hear unreleased remixes, sneak previews from coming CDs, casual freestyle rhymes, never-to-be-released goofs.

Mixtapes are, by definition, unregulated: DJs don’t get permission from record companies, and record companies have traditionally ignored and sometimes bankrolled mixtapes, reasoning that they serve as valuable promotional tools. And rappers have grown increasingly canny at using mixtapes to promote themselves. The career of 50 Cent has a lot to do with his mastery of the mixtape form, and now no serious rapper can afford to be absent from this market for too long.

As mixtapes evolved from a street-corner phenomenon to a cornerstone of the hip-hop industry, record companies tried to figure out ways to cash in. Mixtape D.J.’s like DJ Clue, DJ Kay Slay and others have released major-label compilations full of tracks that abide by copyright rules. But it’s not easy to turn a mixtape into something you can legally sell: part of the fun is hearing rappers remake one another’s songs and respond to one another’s taunts; a great mixtape captures the controlled chaos that hip-hop thrives on.

DJ Drama’s mixtapes are often great. He has turned “Gangsta Grillz” into a prestige brand: each is a carefully compiled disc, full of exclusive tracks, devoted to a single rapper who is also the host. Rappers often seem proud to be considered good enough for a “Gangsta Grillz” mixtape. On “Dedication,” the first of his two excellent “Gangsta Grillz” mixtapes, Lil Wayne announces, “I hooked up with dude, now we ’bout to make history.” The compilation showed off Lil Wayne more effectively than his albums ever had, and “Dedication” helped revive his career. When some unreleased tracks by T.I. leaked to the Internet, T.I. teamed up with DJ Drama for a pre-emptive strike: together, they created a mixtape called “The Leak.”

As mixtapes have grown more popular, they have also grown easier to purchase, despite that official-sounding declaration — “For Promotional Use Only” — printed on every one. Sites like mixunit.com specialize in selling them, and big record shops and online stores have followed suit. As of yesterday DJ Drama was sitting in jail, but dozens of his unlicensed compilations were still available at the iTunes shop.

Brad A. Buckles, executive vice president for anti-piracy at the Recording Industry Association of America, said, “A sound recording is either copyrighted or it’s not.” And he said the DJ Drama case, like most piracy cases, began with illegal product, which was then traced back to the distributor. Chief Baker said that before the raid, DJ Drama and Mr. Cannon were sent cease-and-desist letters from a local lawyer.

There have been mixtape busts before: in 2005, five employees of Mondo Kim’s, in the East Village in New York, were jailed after the store was found to be selling unlicensed mixtapes. But the arrest of a figure as prominent as DJ Drama is unprecedented. Record companies usually portray the fight against piracy as a fight for artists’ rights, but this case complicates that argument: most of DJ Drama’s mixtapes begin with enthusiastic endorsements from the artists themselves.

It also seems clear that mixtapes can actually bolster an artist’s sales. The most recent Lil Wayne solo album, “Tha Carter II” (Cash Money/Universal), sold more than a million copies, though none of its singles climbed any higher than No. 32 on Billboard’s Hot 100 chart. That’s an impressive feat, and it’s hard to imagine how he would have done it without help from a friendly pirate.



Brenda Goodman contributed reporting from Atlanta.
lotty 10:38 PM - 19 January, 2007
If it's an exclusive mixtape like DJ Drama's gangsta grillz then it is mostly, if not all, exclusive songs made for the actual mixtape and maybe a few songs from the album BUT if the artist is hosting the mixtape then just have them sign a release statement for the songs from the album and treat the mixtape as you would an album by getting a copyright.

You beat the system by knowing the system. Peace.
lotty 10:43 PM - 19 January, 2007
I forgot to add that you will also need a release statement from the record company also BUT there are ways to do that if the artist is working with you but that is something that is for the streets not paperwork, and requires smooth talking and a few other things. Peace.
That Guy 1 10:43 PM - 19 January, 2007
No, Lofty. Drama HAD deals with the labels for the tracks. They weren't typical mix-CD's. The question is if he was licensed to sell them, or just pass them out.
sixxx 10:52 PM - 19 January, 2007
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No, Lofty. Drama HAD deals with the labels for the tracks. They weren't typical mix-CD's. The question is if he was licensed to sell them, or just pass them out.


Exactly. The crazy part is here, "Chief Baker said that before the raid, DJ Drama and Mr. Cannon were sent cease-and-desist letters from a local lawyer."

I think at that point they should have grabbed their lawyer and start fighting, if they didn't already I by that time I mean.
lotty 10:55 PM - 19 January, 2007
That's why I stated that he should have treated them as he would have an actual album and get ALL the paperwork in order such as copyrights.

As far as having a righ to sell them, if they were original tracks that THEY produced all they needed was release statements to use the artist and come up with a deal that will benefit them in the end. It doesn't have to be money on the backend such as royalties. It could be doing a party for the label, giving them first dibs on new up and coming artist, producing for their artist. Anything.

The record companies KNEW he was selling them, EVERYBODY knows this. The RIAA didn't and like I stated earlier, the law doesn't look at each individual case personally, they look to see if the PAPERWORK is in order and if it isn't the case will proceed and everything will get solved in court and this way they WILL GET PAID.

The RIAA has TONS of cases to look at and if they looked at every case piece by piece they wouldn't be able to deal with each case so they just deal with the basic paperwork and let the courts handle the rest. This is what cops do. Peace.
lotty 10:58 PM - 19 January, 2007
As far as the lawyer sending letters, that's what lawyers do to get paid BUT it's up to YOU to know the law and use it for your advantage.

Why do you think A LOT of people who are involved in illgeal activities stay getting away with them?. They do certain things that will make the case be thrown out and the law unenforceable. Peace.
sixxx 11:01 PM - 19 January, 2007
True lotty, basically be ready. That's all I'm saying cause in the end is all about money... and if you're making money as DJ Drama was, you better have a bunch of lawyers behind you cause there's always someone out there willing to try and take that money.
DJJOHNNYM 12:32 AM - 20 January, 2007
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That's why I stated that he should have treated them as he would have an actual album and get ALL the paperwork in order such as copyrights.

As far as having a righ to sell them, if they were original tracks that THEY produced all they needed was release statements to use the artist and come up with a deal that will benefit them in the end. It doesn't have to be money on the backend such as royalties. It could be doing a party for the label, giving them first dibs on new up and coming artist, producing for their artist. Anything.

The record companies KNEW he was selling them, EVERYBODY knows this. The RIAA didn't and like I stated earlier, the law doesn't look at each individual case personally, they look to see if the PAPERWORK is in order and if it isn't the case will proceed and everything will get solved in court and this way they WILL GET PAID.

The RIAA has TONS of cases to look at and if they looked at every case piece by piece they wouldn't be able to deal with each case so they just deal with the basic paperwork and let the courts handle the rest. This is what cops do. Peace.



***waiting for NIK to ask this guy to stop type EVERY other WORD in CAPS also....****

lol.
DJJOHNNYM 12:33 AM - 20 January, 2007
That's my style, I want it BACK!
lotty 12:42 AM - 20 January, 2007
My Bad!. lol
lotty 12:55 AM - 20 January, 2007
I don't mean to keep going on with this subject but I just found something that someone from the anti-piracy group said to prove my point and can help others that want to make exclusive artist mixtapes and if they're smart other types of mixtapes:

www.nytimes.com

Brad A. Buckles, executive vice president for anti-piracy at the Recording Industry Association of America, said, “A sound recording is either copyrighted or it’s not.” And he said the DJ Drama case, like most piracy cases, began with illegal product, which was then traced back to the distributor. Chief Baker said that before the raid, DJ Drama and Mr. Cannon were sent cease-and-desist letters from a local lawyer.

The fact that he stated a sound recording is either copyrighted or it's not is the point I was trying to make as far as if DJ Drama just got each cd copyrighted he would have most likely been overlooked by the piracy group because they probably looked for a copyright of his gangsta grillz mixtape and when they saw none they just assumed it was a bootleg. Peace.
dj disturbed 1:19 AM - 20 January, 2007
no.... in that statments he is saying that the music he was using is either copyrighted or its not.. If the music he was using was copyrighted then Drama would have to get permision to use the song... if it was not then he can use it as much as he wanted untill it became copyrighted
lotty 1:59 AM - 20 January, 2007
You're not getting the point. The songs that are on the gangsta grillz mixtapes are songs that were made for him not a record label giving it to him so he doesn't need permission from a label to use them and since they are for him all he had to do was get them copyrighted to avoid this mess.

He most likely won't get charged for anything because they are exclusive tracks but he could have avoided the drama he is in, paying for bail and giving the judicial system money.

As far as the type of mixtapes most people do, this raid is a blessing because it will mean most dj's will have to turn to their local artist and producers to allow songs to be releases on the mixtapes because it will be easier than going to a major label and this will make talent step their game up because it will be more about talent and not about who has a song out first. Rappers and Producers will have to be at their top notch because whoever is selling the most mixtapes in their area will also be able to branch out to other areas and the one's who aren't will have to make more noise in their town which means more hip hop functions and more money in the community being circulated. Peace.
DJJOHNNYM 2:49 AM - 20 January, 2007
Man listen...

It doesn't matter if Weezy and 'em came to Drama and hooked up an "Exclusive". If they are established ARTISTS under a RECORD COMPANY, the artist can't do any "Exclusives" unless the Record Company SAYS SO. That's it. The Artist is the property of the Record Company...Period. The Artist can't give ANYTHING AWAY.

It's exactly the same way they can't do IMPROMPTU performances, "Just Becuz".

The Artist himself is a commodity, and anything he produces is actually the property of the Record Company, once he signed on the dotted line.
DJ FLATLINE 2:55 AM - 20 January, 2007
so what happens to the guys that want to put out mixtapes with blends. I mean, the dj's like finesse, who blend their songs and keep a continuous flow going??? How does this affect those kind of people???
DJJOHNNYM 3:35 AM - 20 January, 2007
***Turns up microphone***

LEGALLY & TECHNICALLY.

A DJ's job is to DJ. That's it. Not make mixtapes or remixes for distribution. He can make mixtape and remixes to PLAY at a club. Not to sell or give away, unless he is the OWNER of the material, or has express written consent from the Record Company.

If a DJ wanted to promote himself, TECHNICALLY he's supposed to ask the client to come WATCH him play. OR he can make a MIXTAPE (with copywritten material), give it to the client, TELL THE CLIENT TO LISTEN TO IT, BUT NOT COPY IT, and when they're done evaluation the DJ, they have to give the MIXTAPE back or DESTROY IT.

That is all.

All that wanting to show your skills to the general public via MIXTAPES/CDS is basically illegal.

***Turns off mic***
lotty 3:39 AM - 20 January, 2007
DJJohnnym, most record companies will work with you and they did with dj drama. It's the riaa who is the problem not the actual record companies as far as hip hop record companies go. This is why you utilize paperwork to be in your favor because record company people are shady and will backtrack what they agreed to. It's all about being a smooth talker.

The music industry is no different from the streets in that only good talkers and out of the box thinkers can get away with certain things while the ones who only do what they are told will not get to far.

As far as needing the record company to do everything, that isn't true. If you are smart you can work your way around this especially when it comes to performances.

Remember we are talking about mixtapes not major releases so it won't cause a major dent into the companies money and if you can sell this idea to a company you will be their best friend.

A simple tip I can give you is Cash and "party goods" is a lovely thing you can use them for your benefit. Peace.
Thundercat 3:54 AM - 20 January, 2007
Oh my. Somebody that actually read the fine print? John! You are losing your "street cred" for knowing details like that!

Rule 4080

methinks johnnym = riaa 5-oh ;-)
DJJOHNNYM 3:54 AM - 20 January, 2007
What you're talking about here are "Grey" areas, I'm just stating how it is RIGHT NOW, on paper. And DJ Drama has "No Paper" to back him up. This has nothing to do with the future, this cat is busted NOW. Why? Because he has copywritten or (unreleased) material by other artists that is the property of the Record Company. The RIAA supposidly REPRESENTS the Record Companies. The Record companies CALLED the RIAA when Napster was in full blossom to shut them down. They've started a process that will eventually kill themselves.

All that "smooth talk" stuff is cool, if you get it in writing. Duke has NOTHING in writing...Hell they asked him to cease-and-desist...right? At that point, they needed to get their paper right.

From a LEGAL standpoint, you're supposed to let your boss (Record Company) know what you're doing, i.e. Performances....because you are their INVESTMENT, and they have a say in your future....including performances. They might not want you to perform at YA BOYS spot, because the COMPANY might have a concert planned for the Artist to do in that area in the very near future...

Now you dilute the concert sale possible profit, if you do a concert 2 weeks in a row at the same locale...

At some point, you have to stop trying to "Get over", and handle ya bizznizz officially. Learn the business, get good representation, read the fine print.

That's how you do it. Anything less, you might as well be on the street sellin' mixtapes.
nik39 3:59 AM - 20 January, 2007
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***waiting for NIK to ask this guy to stop type EVERY other WORD in CAPS also....****

lol.

I try Johnny, I try, but I cant be everywhere at the same time ;)
lotty 4:38 AM - 20 January, 2007
Mtv Just did a news special on this and the chief again stated anything that isn't copyrighted is illegal and they had a record company a&r who stated mixtapes such as gangsta grillz is what the record companies like because it is only songs available on that specific mixtape and not the album.

Again, the goal is to use the laws for your benefit and play the game like chess and get that money.

As far as the riaa, they "represent" record companies but like a lawyer stated on the special they are out of the mix when it comes to mixtapes and the music industry is as he stated "confused".

Lastly, when you live in a world that is all about money, I advise someone to get as much as they can while enjoying themselves and using the system to their advantage because when you are broke no one gives a damn about you and just because record company is a corporation doesn't mean they are honest and "legal". In fact they come up with all types of ways to "legally" take money from their artist such as over pricing cd's in the artists' contract and finding ways to keep from paying royalties and it's all "legal". Peace.

I feel that you believe that things are on your side because the law say's so and I'm sorry to tell you this isn't the case. The law is on the side of the business man and hopefully you have an employer who isn't selfish. Peace.
That Guy 1 4:44 AM - 20 January, 2007
I've heard for a while that Drama had real deals with the labels with paperwork. I guess we'll find out.
lotty 4:47 AM - 20 January, 2007
From what I heard, he did but like I stated the riaa and it's workers are looking for copyrights and the courts handle the rest. Peace.