This was JohnnyM's response in the tattoo thread:

Yep, and?

But let's put it in the entire context of what I said....

You said

And I said


So the Generalistic view you created by taking a snippet of what you thought I meant is off.

I asked him the following:



To which he responded:



Then, I said this:



To which he responded:



Misspelling irreversible in the way. hahahaha

But yeah, you get the point.

I think it's great consulting with your significant other ESPECIALLY if you're married or have a long term partner or you think your gf (or bf) will be someone for the long term.

Oops... you didn't let me finish. hahahaha

(no misquote)

Besides, the way you're presenting it can get blown into the whole Abortion Rights issue, and just so you know, I am PRO-Choice.

Nice attempt, but 'eh.

Plus it was your "interpretation" that you thought I was "acting" like I own her. Your interpretation was incorrect.

No. My interpretation of your first comment was on point that's why I followed with different questions. I didn't come out and say... YOU OWN HER. I asked questions.

I'm PRO-Choice too... but, do you have the right to tell your woman to get an abortion?

I'm going to answer my own question... whether legally isn't set up that way and I think it should be!!!

If you get a girl pregnant, the TWO OF YOU should decide whether to keep the baby or not.

If you want to keep it and she doesn't, tough luck.

If she wants to keep it and you don't, she shouldn't be able to get child support out of it.

I knew this was going to turn into an Abortion thread...lol.

Answer the question...

Also, I think the whole tattoo issue is not a life altering choice. You can always get tattoos removed. Yeah. They're expensive but, hey, did you even discuss that with your wife? Or did you flat out say "No." I think that's what you did.... just like when you TOLD her to get rid of the piercing and you probably threw a fit and she HAD to because of your machismo.

If her "image" would have an impact on the kids, I definitely have a word on what she can and can't do with her "own" body.

She can't be walking around dressed like a Bratz doll, or smoking, or wearing hoochie gear or any of that stuff, as that would adversely effect the upbringing of the kids.

Just as I can't be coming' in drunk, cussin' stinky, and walking around with my pants sagging.

These are all reasonable expectations that you can exercise over your mate if you have children in the mix.

If I don't want her to have a kid, I CAN TELL HER to get an abortion, but that doesn't mean she has to follow what I say.

Has nothing to do with my Testosterone level, it was about the kids. Your "assumption" is wrong again.

I'm going back to my own thread....

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Mine was less politically inclined...

But I can see both of you knowing not to go to the extreme. You're describing extremes. A single tattoo won't make you look hoochie or whatever. Especially if it's hidden from public view. So, I think you just told her No. No matter what. lol

That is your "opinion" of a single tattoo.

I know LOTS of people who would never mark their body because they think it's unnecessary, a fad, and why spend money to get something erased that you shouldn't have done permanently in the 1st place?

Is it really an opinion of a single tattoo or a bunch of excuses from you from a single tattoo?

A single tattoo won't change who you are. You're telling me that if you put a single dot. Yes. a single dot qualifies as a tattoo as you're SUPPOSEDLY PERMANENTLY marking your body in the first place - You're telling me that a single dot would change who you are?

It probably won't be seen by the world. Most people would think it's a mole... unless you have it a gang related place....

Either way, stop with the excuses. :)

Againt... tattoos are not permanent anymore. They haven't been for quite a bunch of years.

... and I thought you left this thread. hahaha

I was entertaining you to help get this thread off the ground....not excuses.

It doesn't matter what your opinion of MY OPINION is, bottom line.

All my opinions are facts. hahahaha

Anyone who gets a tattoo with the intent of ahh fuck it i can get it removed, is a moron.

Ink is for life, make the right choice. Removed tattoos looks like shit.

P.S. JM smacked the belly ring off her.

:P

Removed tattoos back in the day looked like shit. Not anymore.


And yes, you're right. Anyone with the intent of getting a tattoo to remove it later on should just get a "temporary" one. lol

Let me help your thread out a little....

Quote fail...REWIND.

Let me help your thread out a little....



Agreed



Tough luck for WHO? Does this mean she's getting rid of it regardless? Or does this mean she should keep it, but let YOU be totally responsible?



This is the biggest COP-OUT I've ever heard, and I can't stand it.

If you and said chick lay down, you BOTH are basically entering into a contract which says SHE MIGHT GET PREGNANT, so you should figure out what you two would do IF such a pregnancy should occur, and discuss it BEFORE you start banging out.

If you both come to terms, then abide by them, If you CAN'T reach an agreement of what would happen IF she got pregnant, than don't sleep together.

Now, say you skip over that and just bang out ANYWAY, and she DOES get pregnant.

If she wants to keep it, TOUGH LUCK for the DUDE, because he had "Control" of the situation 1ST by choosing NOT to lay down with the chick.

The minute he slipped his sausage inside her, he effectively transferred his "Control" of the situation to HER, end of story.

Anything else is BS.

If she wants to have an abortion and you don't, tough luck. There's nothing you can do about it as she will be the one carrying the baby and going through all the physical changes.


.... as for the last cop out (supposedly), you know damn well no man or woman ever go through all the "necessary" discussions before they have sex. Protection or not.

I agree with this, BUT - Men need to REALIZE that THEY are initially the one's in CONTROL. They can either roll the dice, and sleep with the chick, hoping she doesn't get pregnant, come up with an agreement that they BOTH will abide by, or he can step away from the situation before banging out.

Like I said, once he passes that CONTROL to her, that's it. If a baby comes, tough nuggies for him, he has to pay up.

That's the price that comes with being THE MAN.

She's sitting over there with her eggs just chillin. Here comes the DUDE with his sperm to invade her body and produce a life. That is TOTALLY on him.

But check THIS OUT, A woman is not absolved in ANY WAY, because let's say she DOES have the kid, but by a bum azz sperm doner, who isn't giving up any loot...

That's HER BAD, because she should have made a more informed decision of who SHE slept with from the door.

So it goes both ways.

Also, it's harder for HER to get with a REGULAR dude who doesn't want to be involved with a chick who may have Bady Daddy problems, and all other types of baggage.

You know... there's the 48 hour pill... so either way... SHE DOES HAVE CONTROL.

Like I'm saying, the minute you pass that sperm to her, it's basically OUT of your hands.

But that whole argument of if she wants to keep it, and you don't, that the MAN shouldn't have to PAY for his kid is totally irresponsible.

You know what's irresponsible? Wanting to keep a baby YOU CAN'T AFFORD.

Who are you saying can't afford it?

Besides, if the chick wants an abortion, there it is.

If she doesn't want an abortion, and DUDE can't afford it a kid, that's HIS BAD for throwin' his Johnson around.

If SHE wants it and can't afford to raise a kid, there are adoption agencies.

Either way, BOTH parents have to be RESPONSIBLE for the kid, if it makes it into this world.

Do you know that the minute a woman gets pregnant, HER life is at stake, and the possibility of her having children is too?

There's the slim possibility that SHE can die while giving birth, so you FORCING her to have a kid is not a 1 person decision.

Also, her having an ABORTION can scar her uterus, and possibly STOP her from having kids with SOMEONE ELSE in the future, after she gets rid of the guy that wants her to have an abortion.

The guy just walks away able to stick his jawn in the next chick. With that luxury comes responsibility.

48 hour pill. No scars. No damage. You gotta do better than that. I believe is now the 5 day pill.

I don't understand what the 48 hour pill has to do with this thread.

I read it, but to answer the ultimate question..... If your significant other is a girl and you're the guy, or if you're both guys and he's the bottom and you're the top with the exception if being a power bottom, then yes!

The pill has to do with the girl having the choice to not get pregnant regardless of anything you have to say.... So it can be ULTIMATELY her responsibility.

I mean, are you asking WHO has the ultimate decision as to IF she should take the 48 hour pill?

That's STILL in her control.

And you CAN NOT pop those 48 hour pills everytime you get preggo, and think it's NOT going to harm you over time.

Hoochie status.... and you talk about responsibility on her part. Lol

Dude, it is ALWAYS ULTIMATELY her CHOICE, but the guy is STILL responsible IF she chooses to have it.

Sixxx, you are better at making a point than this.

This is horrible.

So, fine, let's say you're married, and have 1 kid already. Then she gets preggo AGAIN, and you don't want another kid...

You're saying you can just be responsible for the 1ST kid, and not the SECOND only because she didn't heed your request for an abortion.

Yeah, this thread needs help.

BUT now the DUDE is at fault for messin' with a "Hoochie"...wtf?

None of your arguments are panning out man....

It's very simple. Really.

If I get a girl pregnant and she wants to keep it and I don't want to raise the child or support the child, she should stop the pregnancy asap. She has been put on notice. Plenty of notice to make a decision. That can be the pill (no damage), abortion (possibility of damage) if done improperly. The risk is very low nowadays though. If she wishes to keep the fetus until it turns into a baby and a HUGE responsibility. It's on her.

That's how the law should be. If that was the case, there wouldn't be the need for so much child support. So much drama in people's lives.

Throw religion into it if you really want to make it a crazy argument. hahaha

Btw, there's should be a written agreement on this. Regardless, if it's done before intercourse or after intercourse occurs... there should really be a written agreement of some sort required. lol

I can't knock a man who has his woman in check.That is all.

No way man. You're trying to close the barn door, after the horses have escaped. That's whack.

Once he does her, the CONTROL is in her hands.

Your argument has a million holes in it.

Again, how do you work out a situation where you are married, have 1 kid, don't want any others, and then she becomes preggo?

I agree with the CONTRACTUAL part, but it HAS to be before they have sex.

For one, it would expose to the CHICK the real possibility that she's dealing with a potential dead beat dad, and she can now think twice before she opens her legs.

And on the other side, it would provide an indication to the GUY that he is dealing with a chick who he may be indebted to for the next 19-21 years if something goes wrong.

But we know most people won't discuss, much less sign a contract before having sex.

LOL, neither can I.

Sixxx, no misquote needed... it's usually the facts that hurt the most.

wow this is a long asss thread and only 2 people posting LOL, I think you 2 should battle it out and see whos right....oops we alread know how that would end up

Look at these wannabe lawyers. Yes let's sign a contract before sex. Nothing keeps the mood going like legal paperwork. Wear a condom.

Dont feel like reading into this thread but my answer to the question would be.....

Yes. I noticed my girl was getting some love chub goin on, so I told her (nicely) that she should lose it because i don't like it. Then she asked me, "if i got fat, would you leave me?". Then i asked how fat? She said I don't know. So I told her flat out, yes. I told her that I didn't sign up to be with a big girl because its not attractive to me, and I would hope that she would respect me and herself enough to keep herself healthy and in shape.

She's eating healthy now and has made noticeable improvement. I win! YES!!!!!!!!

now i hate Johnny, but im impartial on this one.

Hate is such a strong word. That means your emotions for me are strong.

Can I tell my woman to get an abortion and then give the fetus a tattoo?

Wrong on SO many levels...

sixxx and johnny should just fuck and get it over with. the sexual tension between you two is hillarious.

Just for that, I'm gonna send you and Original Vinyl copy of Can You Feel It - Mr. Fingers -THE VOCAL VERSION.

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And will tell the postman to leave it on your porch at 12:00pm...

To cook....

lol. this shit is whack.

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