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Legal Advice (DJ related)

djchope 3:30 AM 17 July 2010
I was resident DJ for this venue, i dj fridays and saturdays.
about 2 hours before i had to dj i got an email saying that i got replaced by this other dj friday nights. the manager emailed me that he said "corporate" told him this (2 hours of before i had to dj, which is a wtf, why 2 hours before i had to dj, im just a DJ djing a regular night, im not tiesto or this big time dj)(the manager did NOT hire me)
anyways, i quite completely, because I HAD TO, this money pays school and bills, i can't afford JUST to dj one night.
This DJ has dj there before, other employees did not like him including other managers.
I basically just got lied and cheated by this multimillion dollar company, for no reason.
I was given no reason why i got fired.
i CAN'T leave this alone
djchope 3:33 AM 17 July 2010
i was an employer, all my checks were recorded and had to fill out a w-2 and all that good stuff
DJ ENUF 2:39 PM 17 July 2010
Sue their estete?
Banana_Peter 2:41 PM 17 July 2010
did you sign a contract?
djchope 3:19 PM 17 July 2010
well here is the thing, i was given NO policy of my employment, which is kind of funny since i offer them a service in their business using their equipment, because i was given no policies i feel that they did not treat me equally. i signed no contract.
they pay me by checks, so everything is tracked.
I felt lied and cheated by the company, since i was giving no warning of this, this was the second time this happened.
Like i said the manager did not hire me, actually one of the corporate guys hired me, i earned my position. Its FUNNY because when the manager emails me, he speaks in behave of THE COMPANY which I KNOW it was all him and not the company.
Marx&Villain 4:03 PM 17 July 2010
that sucks dude, sorry to hear that. keep ya head up
djchope 9:08 PM 17 July 2010
bump!
bourbonstmc 9:10 PM 17 July 2010
If you don't have them saying anything in writing or even verbally, you got nothing to sue about. Just move on.
djchope 9:38 PM 17 July 2010
all im saying is that these people think DJ'ing is not a job, its a fucken job. We all depend on money, thats why we all have jobs. The company treated me unfairly, by booting me off
Banana_Peter 10:27 PM 17 July 2010
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all im saying is that these people think DJ'ing is not a job, its a fucken job. We all depend on money, thats why we all have jobs. The company treated me unfairly, by booting me off


I hate to tell you this, but welcome to the real world. I guess DJing is just like a retail job, they can cut your hours without a notice...
Banana_Peter 10:28 PM 17 July 2010
you have right to be upset, have you tried to talk to the manager about this issue
djchope 11:04 PM 17 July 2010
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you have right to be upset, have you tried to talk to the manager about this issue

Yeah i have, he insist corporate is the one that decide this.
sixxx 1:32 AM 18 July 2010
Contact the person who hired you.
dj cubicle 4:52 PM 18 July 2010
The basic rule of Texas employment law is employment at will, which applies to all phases of the employment relationship - it means that absent a statute or an express agreement (such as an employment contract) to the contrary, either party in an employment relationship may modify any of the terms or conditions of employment, or terminate the relationship altogether, for any reason, or no particular reason at all, with or without advance notice.

www.twc.state.tx.us

Welcome to the real world.
Jesus Christ 11:33 PM 18 July 2010
And since they didn't "fire" you, you can't even collect unemployment. Sorry. I don't see anything they did as actionable. The manager -- the person that manages the corporation's business -- decided that he wasn't happy with your services. Your schedule was reduced. You decided to quit. Tell me what I'm missing. Did this manager offer to give you more shifts in exchange for sexual or other favors? Did he threaten to fire you if you went over his head? I'm still missing what you feel they did wrong?
djchope 11:54 PM 18 July 2010
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And since they didn't "fire" you, you can't even collect unemployment. Sorry. I don't see anything they did as actionable. The manager -- the person that manages the corporation's business -- decided that he wasn't happy with your services. Your schedule was reduced. You decided to quit. Tell me what I'm missing. Did this manager offer to give you more shifts in exchange for sexual or other favors? Did he threaten to fire you if you went over his head? I'm still missing what you feel they did wrong?


what they did wrong was that they DID NOT give me a notice of this. They gave me a 2 hour notice about this. So NOW i have no job. They immediately replaced me with DJ "i train-wreck and have bad taste in music selection/don't fallow directions on what to play and not to play"
This company is a multimillion dollar company and they ONLY gave me a 2 hour notice before going in to work ARE YOU KIDDING ME, they were even jerks about it, since they emailed me about it, they should of called me..
Jesus Christ 12:10 AM 19 July 2010
None of that is illegal. They could have waited till you got there to set up and then told you that you were replaced. At least they gave you SOME notice. Just because they are a multimillion dollar company does not mean that they are bound by different legal rules. You didn't have a written contract so you were an "at will" employee. Sorry to break it to you. The fact of the matter is that they didn't even fire you. They cut your shifts. Then YOU quit without giving them any notice. So... ummm... yeah.
djchope 12:17 AM 19 July 2010
am i the crazy one here.. they fucked me over! with out notice!
when i say multimillion dollar company is because i would think they can handle business issues as well as manner issues like adults, in this case like men.
djchope 12:17 AM 19 July 2010
it may not be illegal, but its so fucked up it should be illegal.
djchope 12:20 AM 19 July 2010
how would you like if they fire you out of a job you needed to pay bills and eat.
I understand its the "real world" but then i don't.
Im only 19 and these old ****ERS, can't even handle shit like real men.
Jesus Christ 12:44 AM 19 July 2010
LMAO!!! Well prepare yourself for being very disappointed in multimillion dollar companies for the rest of your life. No company will give an employee "notice" before they're "fired." If there is cutbacks or layoffs, there may be notice, but otherwise, don't expect anyone to tell you "hey man, I feel really bad about this. We're unhappy with your work. We're going to have to let you go. So you have 2 weeks to find a new job."

In the real world, they will have your locks changed, delete your computer access and ask for your keys when you show up to work on Friday. Get used to it.

Also... YOU QUIT!!!!! They didn't fire you. They told you that they have cut back your shifts and you lost your cool. Now, not only do you not have your Friday nights, but you let go of your Saturday shift as well.

Take it from and old ****ER. I just left a Fortune 200 company and when they let people go, it was with NO WARNING. So when I left, I gave them the same courtesy.
djchriscruz 3:01 AM 19 July 2010
Dude it's fucked up but there's really nothing you can do. It's the nature of the industry. Club owners/managers aren't known to be the most accommodating people. If you go back to other threads you'll read worse stories about being fucked over by clubs.

At least they completely didn't fire you. They probably want some different flavor in between fridays and saturdays. Maybe you play the same sets on fridays and saturdays and corporate finds you to be predictable and repetitive. Work your ass off to crush that other DJ and get your night back.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:47 PM 19 July 2010
Dude, they reduced your hours, and then you quit. That's on YOU. As JC said, regular companies just turn off your computer access, maybe will let you clean out your desk with security standing right next to you, and wil escort you to the door.

And that's how it is on this hot and hazy Monday morning, July 19th, 2010.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:33 PM 19 July 2010
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what they did wrong was that they DID NOT give me a notice of this. They gave me a 2 hour notice about this. So NOW i have no job


Your complaining that they didnt give you any notice but if you think about it would notice really matter, if they told you on mon or tues that you didnt have a fri night anymore you STILL wouldnt have that friday night and you still would have quit on them.....also i dont see how quitting the sat night helps your financial issues, you say you cant afford to only work 1 night because you have bills but i would think working 0 nights would be worse. ANd JCs right in corporate america they dont give you any warnings to start looking for another job, you just go through your day until they decide to drop the hammer, then they just give you a small box to put you ish in and have security escort you out. If your LUCKY theyll explain why you dont have a job anymore
Free Man 1:59 PM 19 July 2010
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If your LUCKY theyll explain why you dont have a job anymore


yep... they don't even have to give a reason...

If you go to the corp dude who hired you, and by chance you get your gigs back, would you really want to work with this dude as a manager? work on getting a new gig, and promote as much as you can to get their patrons to come see you. best you can do is hit them with an empty bar... Or you can turn them for something... drop some mice in the place and call the health dept or something... lol
djchriscruz 2:02 PM 19 July 2010
At least they gave you a notice. I've shown up to gigs where there was already another DJ setting up and I wasn't told a damn thing until I got there. I've also shown up to gigs where the club was completely shut down. It's just the nature of the business man. You always gotta be on your toes and search for the next gig because clubs aren't the most stable or honest businesses.
Logisticalstyles 9:13 PM 19 July 2010
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At least they gave you a notice. I've shown up to gigs where there was already another DJ setting up and I wasn't told a damn thing until I got there. I've also shown up to gigs where the club was completely shut down. It's just the nature of the business man. You always gotta be on your toes and search for the next gig because clubs aren't the most stable or honest businesses.



For real. Welcome to the "business" of DJing. I've had all of that happen at one time or another in my DJ career.
djchope 9:16 PM 19 July 2010
Well i guess im going to have to get use to it, im still going to try to fight back someway.
thanks yall
Banana_Peter 10:35 PM 19 July 2010
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im still going to try to fight back someway.

I think you will be wasting your time. Just take this as a learning experience and move on.
popnwave 12:01 AM 20 July 2010
Chalk it up as a lesson, if you get a good gig somewhere in the future always get something contract wise in writing. It can be intimidating to ask for one or get a club to sign one but remind them it's to protect THEM (so you provide the services YOU'RE promising) and yourself so they can't just cut you off suddenly. You should always require a grace period or paid compensation if they decide to go in another direction.

BUT YOU MUST GET A REAL CONTRACT.. otherwise you'll need to be ready for situations like this to happen every time.
djchope 12:51 AM 20 July 2010
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Chalk it up as a lesson, if you get a good gig somewhere in the future always get something contract wise in writing. It can be intimidating to ask for one or get a club to sign one but remind them it's to protect THEM (so you provide the services YOU'RE promising) and yourself so they can't just cut you off suddenly. You should always require a grace period or paid compensation if they decide to go in another direction.

BUT YOU MUST GET A REAL CONTRACT.. otherwise you'll need to be ready for situations like this to happen every time.

True that. Thanks.
I just had to vent, i got first taste of this business crap.
then getting boot for a sucker dj, wack!
again thanks to all of yall.
djskiggz 1:25 AM 20 July 2010
you really shouldn't be asking for legal advice on a dj forum. We're not lawyers afterall. You should go get a free consultation with a lawyer. Your problem is similar any other job that you would have gotten fired for without cause.
djchope 2:05 AM 20 July 2010
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you really shouldn't be asking for legal advice on a dj forum. We're not lawyers afterall. You should go get a free consultation with a lawyer. Your problem is similar any other job that you would have gotten fired for without cause.


haha believe me i know that. Ive been in this forum for a long time :p
That's what im doing, like i said im not going to not doing anything.
djchriscruz 3:16 AM 20 July 2010
Contracts will only work if you're throwing a big event at someones club. But if you're a DJ looking for a weekly gig they'll probably be turned off by signing a contract and hire the next 5 DJ's who'd be willing to take the gig.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:40 PM 20 July 2010
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im still going to try to fight back someway.

I think you will be wasting your time. Just take this as a learning experience and move on.



Another thing to remember, and i guess this depends on the size of the area you operate in, is that word of mouth travels pretty fast in our industry, if you had a good buzz goin other spots might be lookin to pick ya up, but if you really start pressin the issue (an issue where you dont have much ground to stand on anyway), that gets around too....noone is gonna want an employee who is going to be THAT much trouble in a bad situation.

Take it on the chin and learn the lesson to always have a backup plan and also dont quit your 1 night before you found something else....ive found people are more willing to give work to someone working rather than someone who isnt
dj cubicle 1:43 PM 20 July 2010
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im still going to try to fight back someway.

I think you will be wasting your time. Just take this as a learning experience and move on.



Another thing to remember, and i guess this depends on the size of the area you operate in, is that word of mouth travels pretty fast in our industry, if you had a good buzz goin other spots might be lookin to pick ya up, but if you really start pressin the issue (an issue where you dont have much ground to stand on anyway), that gets around too....noone is gonna want an employee who is going to be THAT much trouble in a bad situation.

Take it on the chin and learn the lesson to always have a backup plan and also dont quit your 1 night before you found something else....ive found people are more willing to give work to someone working rather than someone who isnt


You may also find out the spot you worked at is notorious for doing what they did to you, and you'll find instant camaraderie with other people it has happened to, or others in the biz who know how they treat people.

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