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What is a good tool for Auto Leveling Library for ITCH
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What is a good tool for Auto Leveling Library for ITCH
DJChad72
3:32 AM - 8 June, 2010
I was wondering if there is a good took for leveling your audio library (mostly MP3) to be played back via ITCH? I had this with VDJ and it was kind of nice... just had to make minor alterations here and there... but I do also like having it the old fashioned what with ITCH and the DX.
However just in case it becomes an untamale beast, any suggestions? I am fine if it is licensed/payware or freeware. I just want it to do the job correctly and precisely. Although, I really dont want to pay $50 for something I can get for free and it do the job... even perhaps minus some bells and whistles.
However just in case it becomes an untamale beast, any suggestions? I am fine if it is licensed/payware or freeware. I just want it to do the job correctly and precisely. Although, I really dont want to pay $50 for something I can get for free and it do the job... even perhaps minus some bells and whistles.
DJMIA
4:08 AM - 8 June, 2010
Are you referring to normalizing all your songs so that they are all at the same volume level? If you are, Itch normalizes the songs automaticly. But for some reason it doesn't work correctly.
Like KLH said. mp3gain. I use that on all my songs.
Like KLH said. mp3gain. I use that on all my songs.
DJChad72
4:17 AM - 8 June, 2010
Yes, normalizing was the buzz word I was looking for! Thank you.
I will look into that one. :)
I will look into that one. :)
DJMIA
4:35 AM - 8 June, 2010
Since we are on this topic. I have a question that I would like to add to your topic if you don't mind that can prob. help you and I as well and maybe others.
I was wondering from other mp3gain users what db level do you guys normalize your tracks on? I normalize mine at around 97db and have had audio distortions so far even though alot of the tracks say they are clipping but when I play them through my speakers I can not here any clipping at all in the sound. Any ideas on this?
I was wondering from other mp3gain users what db level do you guys normalize your tracks on? I normalize mine at around 97db and have had audio distortions so far even though alot of the tracks say they are clipping but when I play them through my speakers I can not here any clipping at all in the sound. Any ideas on this?
KLH
5:57 AM - 8 June, 2010
FWIW, the cool thing about MP3Gain is that it is lossless and doesn't re-encode the MP3 file.
-KLH
-KLH
zaguama
1:15 AM - 9 June, 2010
the default is 89 but most people get away with 93 94 with very good results. also check where it says dont clip when doing track gain in the options.
DJChad72
1:20 AM - 9 June, 2010
For a library of about 20k tracks, how long should I allow and what sort of space will be claimed during this process? The ITCH Analyze can take 3 days to get through my library.
DJChad72
1:35 AM - 9 June, 2010
woooo... have to say the MP3 Gain looks scary when reading it... although I have 4 redundant backup copies and 2 working copies of my library... it is such a pain to restore and such... because you sometimes do not find issues until later.
Any suggestions on what the does not touch the file, but gives info for ITCH to read?
Any suggestions on what the does not touch the file, but gives info for ITCH to read?
DJChad72
1:37 AM - 9 June, 2010
Also, any of the admin's have a commit on this? Some posted earlier ITCH attempts to normalize... but does not work.. but though I read somewhere before that ITCH does not have normalization at all.
Either way would be good to hear insight from Serato... if it is around the corner... rather go manual until I can find an intergrated solution with Serato/ITCH.... because it will then normalize to UNITY and current volumes of your set vs a predetermined value.
Either way would be good to hear insight from Serato... if it is around the corner... rather go manual until I can find an intergrated solution with Serato/ITCH.... because it will then normalize to UNITY and current volumes of your set vs a predetermined value.
BBN
2:14 PM - 9 June, 2010
I'm using MacMP3gain and it works fine for me.
Let the default 89dB, because when I tried out higher levels I got distortion and glitches.
You might have to reanalize your files to see the results in waveformsize and hear the difference.
Let the default 89dB, because when I tried out higher levels I got distortion and glitches.
You might have to reanalize your files to see the results in waveformsize and hear the difference.
BadBoyChubs
3:46 PM - 8 February, 2012
I set mines to Radio Gain Mode with a target gain value 92db. on version 2.1 for Mac. wish i had known sooner!
dj lashes
4:17 PM - 8 February, 2012
humm am kinda 50/50 here...
Every club i play at are happy with the output from itch/vci or ns6 they seem to set there master and all seems fine, on my end i do see the odd 3 or 4 tracks that need a litle added volume but mostly the track with over low from the get go and i just never had time to fix it.
and they are always talk shit about djs with VDJ with 1 track loud next one low, bass to hard or no bass ect...
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Itch normalizes the songs automaticly. But for some reason it doesn't work correctly.humm am kinda 50/50 here...
Every club i play at are happy with the output from itch/vci or ns6 they seem to set there master and all seems fine, on my end i do see the odd 3 or 4 tracks that need a litle added volume but mostly the track with over low from the get go and i just never had time to fix it.
and they are always talk shit about djs with VDJ with 1 track loud next one low, bass to hard or no bass ect...
BadBoyChubs
4:40 PM - 8 February, 2012
I agree, for me it is a not all that . when itch does it.
I re-read the manual and it only states that is a song is lower than example 92db, it will bring the next up to 92bd, So tracks over that 92db it wont do nothing to it in my opinion.
I re-read the manual and it only states that is a song is lower than example 92db, it will bring the next up to 92bd, So tracks over that 92db it wont do nothing to it in my opinion.
Rrocksteady
10:45 PM - 8 February, 2012
i concur....mp3 gain all the way!!!! been using it since i went digital mp3, some years ago and still swear by it to this day!!
varied volume levels are a thing of the past, so much so, i had to comment on this topic when i saw it because it reminded me of those days gone by lol!
20,000 trks wont take days, but will take some hours,
start it early evening, and let it run through the night, your trks will be normalised by morning....if not earlier,and you will never look back.....
(until you see a post like this lol)
varied volume levels are a thing of the past, so much so, i had to comment on this topic when i saw it because it reminded me of those days gone by lol!
20,000 trks wont take days, but will take some hours,
start it early evening, and let it run through the night, your trks will be normalised by morning....if not earlier,and you will never look back.....
(until you see a post like this lol)
Rrocksteady
10:47 PM - 8 February, 2012
original poist was nearly 2 years ago!!! i wonder how you got on???
djcerla
11:51 PM - 8 February, 2012
Out of curiosity guys, why do you need to level stuff? Are you referring to a simple normalize (push maximum peak to 0db) or to further soft-limiting?
From time to timeI have some iTunes files coming from compilations that need a normalize, in this special case I use mp3 gain.
From time to timeI have some iTunes files coming from compilations that need a normalize, in this special case I use mp3 gain.
DJChad72
3:22 AM - 9 February, 2012
I think the one thing that these tools cants really account for - is a library where you are not completely 100% uniform on the bit rate (ie 320kps vs 192kps.) The auto gain feature is going to amplify the 192kps file to compete with your 320kps. However 192 is always going to sound "lacking" in fullness in my opinion.
I have found the best solution is to nab your CD books and rerip OR repurchase. I find this scenario common when I plan to "bring back" a classic house track and my MP3 version is from the time period I ripped everything 192kps. That was when laptop internal drives maxed out at 250gb, and externals were not much bigger. Given I had 10 CD books of 300 discs each... I tried to balance space and quality as best as possible.
Since then, all my new music is 320kps. I find I never have a gain problem when staying 320 to 320, mostly when going from 320 to lower bitrate. This is in terms of master output. Nothing is going to properly blend the EQ but you in my opinion. I just look for the auto gain to help when I have to play softer in the evening. When you are wide open, it really doesnt matter... loud is loud. LOL
I have found the best solution is to nab your CD books and rerip OR repurchase. I find this scenario common when I plan to "bring back" a classic house track and my MP3 version is from the time period I ripped everything 192kps. That was when laptop internal drives maxed out at 250gb, and externals were not much bigger. Given I had 10 CD books of 300 discs each... I tried to balance space and quality as best as possible.
Since then, all my new music is 320kps. I find I never have a gain problem when staying 320 to 320, mostly when going from 320 to lower bitrate. This is in terms of master output. Nothing is going to properly blend the EQ but you in my opinion. I just look for the auto gain to help when I have to play softer in the evening. When you are wide open, it really doesnt matter... loud is loud. LOL
Dj jochi
1:10 PM - 10 February, 2012
I will look into that one. :)
I use Platinum Note.
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Yes, normalizing was the buzz word I was looking for! Thank you.I will look into that one. :)
I use Platinum Note.
elsupermang
8:03 PM - 10 February, 2012
From time to timeI have some iTunes files coming from compilations that need a normalize, in this special case I use mp3 gain.
I use to level mine because for example tracks mastered in the 80s were lower in volume (around 85-89 lets say), tracks from the 90s got louder (90-92 lets say) and nowadays tracks are just offensively loud (98-100 db). Sometimes when fast mixing between decades or even genres, you listen to the track in your headphones and it sounds alright, then you drop it and it comes out weaksauce low. Kind of embarassing, it can be avoided with a quick look at the gain meters but now on the NS6 for example doesn't have individual gain meters. Also sometimes you are just in the moment and feeling confident just dropping tracks left and right without worrying about the technical stuff, its easier to have everything leveled out ahead of time.
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Out of curiosity guys, why do you need to level stuff? Are you referring to a simple normalize (push maximum peak to 0db) or to further soft-limiting?From time to timeI have some iTunes files coming from compilations that need a normalize, in this special case I use mp3 gain.
I use to level mine because for example tracks mastered in the 80s were lower in volume (around 85-89 lets say), tracks from the 90s got louder (90-92 lets say) and nowadays tracks are just offensively loud (98-100 db). Sometimes when fast mixing between decades or even genres, you listen to the track in your headphones and it sounds alright, then you drop it and it comes out weaksauce low. Kind of embarassing, it can be avoided with a quick look at the gain meters but now on the NS6 for example doesn't have individual gain meters. Also sometimes you are just in the moment and feeling confident just dropping tracks left and right without worrying about the technical stuff, its easier to have everything leveled out ahead of time.
elsupermang
8:04 PM - 10 February, 2012
From time to timeI have some iTunes files coming from compilations that need a normalize, in this special case I use mp3 gain.
I use to level mine because for example tracks mastered in the 80s were lower in volume (around 85-89 lets say), tracks from the 90s got louder (90-92 lets say) and nowadays tracks are just offensively loud (98-100 db). Sometimes when fast mixing between decades or even genres, you listen to the track in your headphones and it sounds alright, then you drop it and it comes out weaksauce low. Kind of embarassing, it can be avoided with a quick look at the gain meters but now on the NS6 for example doesn't have individual gain meters. Also sometimes you are just in the moment and feeling confident just dropping tracks left and right without worrying about the technical stuff, its easier to have everything leveled out ahead of time.
Oh for this I use MediaMonkey on PC, it has leveling function, and very good for editing id3 tags. I then sync these to my Mac. This way i have a back-up as well as fix up all my tracks before they go into ITCH.
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Out of curiosity guys, why do you need to level stuff? Are you referring to a simple normalize (push maximum peak to 0db) or to further soft-limiting?From time to timeI have some iTunes files coming from compilations that need a normalize, in this special case I use mp3 gain.
I use to level mine because for example tracks mastered in the 80s were lower in volume (around 85-89 lets say), tracks from the 90s got louder (90-92 lets say) and nowadays tracks are just offensively loud (98-100 db). Sometimes when fast mixing between decades or even genres, you listen to the track in your headphones and it sounds alright, then you drop it and it comes out weaksauce low. Kind of embarassing, it can be avoided with a quick look at the gain meters but now on the NS6 for example doesn't have individual gain meters. Also sometimes you are just in the moment and feeling confident just dropping tracks left and right without worrying about the technical stuff, its easier to have everything leveled out ahead of time.
Oh for this I use MediaMonkey on PC, it has leveling function, and very good for editing id3 tags. I then sync these to my Mac. This way i have a back-up as well as fix up all my tracks before they go into ITCH.
BadBoyChubs
5:03 PM - 18 February, 2012
I must admit that MacMp3gain, works great! Loving it. I set all and the volume is more stable, cause some times u know when u rippin thru songs that u miss the gain and it is way louder. that tend to happen with remixes of songs when the original is lower.
I took off the "autogain in Serato and it works smooth!
I took off the "autogain in Serato and it works smooth!
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