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battle mode & regular
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battle mode & regular
dj skiggz
4:06 AM - 19 December, 2006
Whats the difference? Whats the benefit of having ur tables 90 degrees for battle mode rather then just having them regular?
dj disturbed
4:15 AM - 19 December, 2006
the tonearms are more out of the way for scratching in balle style, plus you dont have to move your hands as far b/c the platters are closer to the x-fader for juggling. Thats 2 reasons. other then that.. its all just personal pref. You will find most hip-hop dj's run battle sylte and EDM dj's run traditional style
Dj KaGeN
4:16 AM - 19 December, 2006
Battle mode is primarily for turntablists.... they like the tonearm out of the way to have more access to the vinyl for manipulation..(at the very top point from the dj)
While the traditional lends itself more to being able to reach the pitch control.
While the traditional lends itself more to being able to reach the pitch control.
typerel
4:17 AM - 19 December, 2006
If you notice that when a tt is posistioned battle style, the tone arm is at the top (instead of the right side), which mitigates the risk of hitting the tonearm with your hand when scratching. That's the only advantage I can think of.
Dj KaGeN
4:29 AM - 19 December, 2006
I need 8 beers and 4 aspirin when forced to play in battle mode, I think I need a new back.
Thundercat
4:32 AM - 19 December, 2006
I only recently switched to battle style. Recently as in when I got my TTM57 I switched to battle style. Before that I was still using a super out dated 19" Soundcraftsman MTX Numark knockoff that is almost as old as Johnny M's Realistics. :)
DJJOHNNYM
4:58 AM - 19 December, 2006
I saw that Thuda...
From what I understand, BATTLE STYLE also places your and directly across from where the needle lands on the opposite side of the record, and somehow reduces the inertia to skip...
I don't see how, but that's what I heard.
From what I understand, BATTLE STYLE also places your and directly across from where the needle lands on the opposite side of the record, and somehow reduces the inertia to skip...
I don't see how, but that's what I heard.
sixxx
4:59 AM - 19 December, 2006
and this is where turntables cases vs a coffin comes in handy. Turn those puppies when it's your turn and vice versa.
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I need 8 beers and 4 aspirin when forced to play in battle mode, I think I need a new back.and this is where turntables cases vs a coffin comes in handy. Turn those puppies when it's your turn and vice versa.
Jay-R
5:43 AM - 19 December, 2006
i do battle style. even in radio mixshow here in socal, they still do battle style. i just got used to it. spinning with the tradition style now sucks for me. that tonearm just irks me during tradional style. besides, this isn't the 80's anymore if your a hip hop dj.
Thundercat
6:09 AM - 19 December, 2006
When I spin out, I still set up traditional. 99.9% of club setups (around here) are traditional. My office setup is battle style & all my practicing is done battle style. I blend quicker traditional (I'm a fader rider when blending). Playing out I spin just as much classic house & 70's 80's dance classics as hip hop / R&B. There's was that time from around '78 to '82 that funky dance music was just as good as it will ever be. Damn, let me stop rambling and go play some Raw Silk...
sixxx
6:11 AM - 19 December, 2006
I think it's an East Coast thing. On the West Coast, it's the opposite.
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99.9% of club setups (around here) are traditional.I think it's an East Coast thing. On the West Coast, it's the opposite.
DJJOHNNYM
11:33 AM - 19 December, 2006
I think it's an East Coast thing. On the West Coast, it's the opposite.
Yeah, it must be....
Besides, I'm NOTORIOUS for sticking my records under the 12 before I play them...
If they're battle style, they won't fit.
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99.9% of club setups (around here) are traditional.I think it's an East Coast thing. On the West Coast, it's the opposite.
Yeah, it must be....
Besides, I'm NOTORIOUS for sticking my records under the 12 before I play them...
If they're battle style, they won't fit.
Monk-A
6:11 PM - 19 December, 2006
It's all about ergonomics.
If you look at your platter in battle mode in an anti clock wise direction you have from 12 o'clock to 3-4 oclock in which to move your hand if you're stood directly infront of the deck.
As Johnny M says it means the force you place on a platter/record is further way from the needle, so less likely to effect it, but battle style also means you can pull the record back from 12-3 o'clock in one motion, which means more control both in Scratching and more importantly juggling. In Orthodox positioning you have from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. whihc means you have to make two movements - pull release pull again - to rewind a record the same distance.
You also have the the Left hand deck controls i.e: stop/start - on/off - 33/45 closer to you're Fader hand, so doing pitch switches whilst juggling is easier with the left hand, as it travels less distance.
If you look at your platter in battle mode in an anti clock wise direction you have from 12 o'clock to 3-4 oclock in which to move your hand if you're stood directly infront of the deck.
As Johnny M says it means the force you place on a platter/record is further way from the needle, so less likely to effect it, but battle style also means you can pull the record back from 12-3 o'clock in one motion, which means more control both in Scratching and more importantly juggling. In Orthodox positioning you have from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. whihc means you have to make two movements - pull release pull again - to rewind a record the same distance.
You also have the the Left hand deck controls i.e: stop/start - on/off - 33/45 closer to you're Fader hand, so doing pitch switches whilst juggling is easier with the left hand, as it travels less distance.
DJJOHNNYM
8:16 PM - 19 December, 2006
You know what's funny? I used to see some DJ's use a combination of Battle Mode and Traditional mode, (Left Turntable at Battle Postion, Right Turntable at Traditional Position), just so the stop/start buttons were BOTH close to the center mixer....
And BTW, I don't use TRADITIONAL Position completely, I put BOTH turntables on the LEFT hand side, and the mixer on the right....
When I first started DJ'ing, I had both TT's on the RIGHT hand side, (strong hand), and the mixer on the left....
I don't know why I switched, but I wish I didn't.
And BTW, I don't use TRADITIONAL Position completely, I put BOTH turntables on the LEFT hand side, and the mixer on the right....
When I first started DJ'ing, I had both TT's on the RIGHT hand side, (strong hand), and the mixer on the left....
I don't know why I switched, but I wish I didn't.
Monk-A
9:21 PM - 19 December, 2006
Same here, i started out with both on the right and mixer on the left - and thats one of the reasons why i cut hamster style.
Rob Swift does some juggles with the right deck orthodox and the left deck battle mode.... so does Woody the UK guy.
Rob Swift does some juggles with the right deck orthodox and the left deck battle mode.... so does Woody the UK guy.
DJ Stuart (AR)
10:30 PM - 19 December, 2006
Theres a name for that setting..."Duck rock mode".
www.djstuart.com.ar
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When I first started DJ'ing, I had both TT's on the RIGHT hand side, (strong hand), and the mixer on the left....Theres a name for that setting..."Duck rock mode".
www.djstuart.com.ar
DJJOHNNYM
10:38 PM - 19 December, 2006
Theres a name for that setting..."Duck rock mode".
www.djstuart.com.ar
Never heard of that...
But that's how I used to WIN a lot of battles back in the day...
Most DJ's at the time would set their turntables up ON THE LEFT with the mixer on the right, so I'd let them DJ first...
Then, I'd do the SAME ROUTINE THEY DID, but from the OPPOSITE SIDE of the DJ TABLE, and people would go with the illusion that I BATTLED AND WON FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE...lmao.
Hell, it was a natural setup for me...
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When I first started DJ'ing, I had both TT's on the RIGHT hand side, (strong hand), and the mixer on the left....Theres a name for that setting..."Duck rock mode".
www.djstuart.com.ar
Never heard of that...
But that's how I used to WIN a lot of battles back in the day...
Most DJ's at the time would set their turntables up ON THE LEFT with the mixer on the right, so I'd let them DJ first...
Then, I'd do the SAME ROUTINE THEY DID, but from the OPPOSITE SIDE of the DJ TABLE, and people would go with the illusion that I BATTLED AND WON FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE...lmao.
Hell, it was a natural setup for me...
Thundercat
3:16 AM - 20 December, 2006
I switched from 2 decks on the left to a split setup sometime around '92 - '95, can't pinpoint exactly when I made the switch. I know in '90 at my last videotaped battle, I was still rocking 2 decks left. My change had to be around the time I got my 1st full time residency.
Jay-R
3:39 AM - 20 December, 2006
I think it's an East Coast thing. On the West Coast, it's the opposite.
Lots of west coast clubs do battle style.
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99.9% of club setups (around here) are traditional.I think it's an East Coast thing. On the West Coast, it's the opposite.
Lots of west coast clubs do battle style.
DiƱolito
3:40 AM - 20 December, 2006
Mista Sinista and DJ Krush use their tables in "L-position" (1 regular, 1 battle)
spinner t
3:55 AM - 20 December, 2006
Cash Money was the first Dj I saw using the battle style setup. That must have been back in like 88 or something. In regards to the reduction of needle jumping my theory is that your hand is placed in the same proximity of the record as the needle. Therefore movement of the record with your hand is not affected by minute warps in the record. For example if as in traditional mode your hand is on opposite of the record as the needle when you put the weight of your hand the record, if there is a minor warp in the record the spindle acts like a fulcrum or see saw and as you push down on this side it pushes up on the other side of the record...where the needle is...this tends to amplify needle jumping. Anyways I am a mechanical engineer by day and thats what I have observed. Besides the obvious ergo reason, I much more prefer the battle style. I have been rockin that way since the late 80's!
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