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New Turntables

Hassan 4:09 PM - 13 December, 2006
Hey DJS,

i am new to DJing. Does anyone know what kind of turntables i should buy?
Nicky 4:25 PM - 13 December, 2006
im also new. im lookin at the numark tt500s. i've heard nothin but good notes about these tables. they're ~250 each
AMF 6:47 PM - 13 December, 2006
Technic 1200s or 1210s are the standard. You'll find these in most clubs that use turntables. The 1210 M5G is the best one.

But obviously you can buy whatever you want. Any turntable will work with serato.
Dj KaGeN 11:10 PM - 13 December, 2006
you will get a serious onslaught of those that stand behind and swear by techs. I too own 4 of them. But I'd also like to add that I can spin on any deck and that has been very helpful also, reason being. I didn't start on techs. I learned on cheaper shit and worked my way up to top of the line gear, this is not easy to do in reverse. I really feel that this approach is a good way to go. Nothing is more humorous to me to see some pre-madonnna dj pitch a hissy fit because the club DID NOT have 1200's, and their set suffered accordingly. But that's just me rationalizing the fact that I started on 1 belt drive TT & 1 ultra cheap direct drive wannabe turntable.
DJJOHNNYM 11:26 PM - 13 December, 2006
Technics 1200 MKII's....

When it absolutely, positively, needs to be right....
Dj Ryme 11:43 PM - 13 December, 2006
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Nothing is more humorous to me to see some pre-madonnna dj pitch a hissy fit because the club DID NOT have 1200's, and their set suffered accordingly. But that's just me rationalizing the fact that I started on 1 belt drive TT & 1 ultra cheap direct drive wannabe turntable.


Kagen I dont know one club that doesnt have Techs.... do you know of any??
DJJOHNNYM 11:49 PM - 13 December, 2006
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Nothing is more humorous to me to see some pre-madonnna dj pitch a hissy fit because the club DID NOT have 1200's, and their set suffered accordingly. But that's just me rationalizing the fact that I started on 1 belt drive TT & 1 ultra cheap direct drive wannabe turntable.


Kagen I dont know one club that doesnt have Techs.... do you know of any??


Shit, I DO....They only have CDJ's....and I'm spinning there tomorrow with 1200 in hand...
Dj Ryme 11:52 PM - 13 December, 2006
Ok now I know plenty of places with NO turntables....... I should have said do you know a place that HAS turntables and they are NOT Technics..... I dont think I do.
Dj KaGeN 11:54 PM - 13 December, 2006
A few years ago, I was in some little dive bar that had gemini's. I have been to many house parties that someone (like myself) brought something other than 1200's.. so yes - there are times when the 'standard' is not in play.
Dj Ryme 12:03 AM - 14 December, 2006
I guess I've been lucky then.... doesnt matter though I always bring my turntables for back up just in case. And now that I think of it I think I seen that club vegas has some gemini's or numarks......
Dj KaGeN 12:04 AM - 14 December, 2006
I was just about to put that... I distinctly remember you scoffing at them too... LOL
Dj Ryme 12:31 AM - 14 December, 2006
Not me.... I have never even spun there before.
Dj KaGeN 12:39 AM - 14 December, 2006
The point is, even one of Orange Counties largest clubs DOES NOT have a pair of TECHS in their MAIN ROOM.... basically, proving my point.
grrillatactics 12:54 AM - 14 December, 2006
I have been to a few places that had Vestax decks in their booth.
DJBlisk 1:32 AM - 14 December, 2006
no 1200s? i've been lucky enough to never experience that. although dealing with fucked up 1200s is always an hassle.

Hey kagen, that icurve is in use!!
Dj KaGeN 2:08 AM - 14 December, 2006
@DJBlisk- good to hear you're putting it to use.
grrillatactics 2:33 AM - 14 December, 2006
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no 1200s? i've been lucky enough to never experience that. although dealing with fucked up 1200s is always an hassle.


I hate running into some abused and beat down 1200's...
DJJOHNNYM 5:47 AM - 14 December, 2006
I've never spun on anything (since getting 1200's), other than a 1200. No Vestax's, Numarks, Stantons, nothing.
gzentertainment 6:05 AM - 14 December, 2006
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I have been to a few places that had Vestax decks in their booth.

In addition to, or in place of, Techs?
Duran7609 6:16 AM - 14 December, 2006
just get some 1200's and you'll never have to buy another set of tables ever again.
Dj Ryme 6:22 AM - 14 December, 2006
unless someone at the party fucks up the tonearm of your 3month old table like they did mine :(
Hassan 9:51 AM - 14 December, 2006
Thanks everyone
Hassan 9:52 AM - 14 December, 2006
but what is the difference between 1200's and 1210? I don't know much about turntables.
geeunot 11:14 AM - 14 December, 2006
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but what is the difference between 1200's and 1210? I don't know much about turntables.


1200s are used mainly in the US. and the 1210s were made for people in the UK.
DaltonSR20 11:44 AM - 14 December, 2006
I went from Gemini BD-10's (XL100s) belt driven hand me downs to Vestax PDT-5000 (the ones made out of WOOD and a model down from the PDX-D3 used in QBerts Turntable Mechanics Workshop Video) and then Technics 1210's. Bottom line is you CANNOT go wrong with 1200's. They are "standard", proven to last, offer a large array of replacement parts, retain a good resell value and are VERY easy to resell unless you charge crack prices...

1210's come in black, have a 2 prong euro plug, and a 110/220 voltage selector.
DJJOHNNYM 8:39 PM - 14 December, 2006
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but what is the difference between 1200's and 1210? I don't know much about turntables.


1200s are used mainly in the US. and the 1210s were made for people in the UK.


I thought 1210's were black, and 1200's were silver.
grrillatactics 8:52 PM - 14 December, 2006
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I have been to a few places that had Vestax decks in their booth.

In addition to, or in place of, Techs?


In place of. 2 different spots had the vestax decks in place of techs.
matt212 8:55 PM - 14 December, 2006
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1200s are used mainly in the US. and the 1210s were made for people in the UK.


What??? If you are joking, that's kinda funny. If you are serious, you have problems.
gzentertainment 9:01 PM - 14 December, 2006
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1200s are used mainly in the US. and the 1210s were made for people in the UK.


What??? If you are joking, that's kinda funny. If you are serious, you have problems.

I think that's kinda right actually. I had 1210's and they had a different plug but it came with a converter for our outlets. This was an SL-1210MK2.

I think as a general rule of thumb though, 1200's and silver and 1210's are black. That's the difference between the MK5's.
matt212 9:11 PM - 14 December, 2006
Well I'll be...never noticed that. Let me close my fat mouth then.
grrillatactics 9:30 PM - 14 December, 2006
Yeah, the 1200/1210 difference was originally the power outlet/voltage selector, as for a time you could find 1200's in black and 1210's in silver. There is fairly long history of the 1200/1210 somewhere that spells out the differences between all of the various configutrations that this decks has gone through, and what years these configurations were available, etc., but I am too slack to find it now...
Konix 9:34 PM - 14 December, 2006
Strange, I have 1200s, silver, and they have the funny Euro plugs (had to get adaptors) and voltage selector under the platter. Bought them here in the USA.
Dj Ryme 10:12 PM - 14 December, 2006
I did too Konix, I bought the Black 1210 MK2's and they also have the Euro plugs and voltage selector. After Halloween someone broke the tonearm of one so I went to PSSL to buy another 1210 MK2 and they said they dont carry them anymore I also called every guitar center and sam ash in the area and none of them carried a BLack 1210 MK2 only 1200 Mk2. Pretty wierd.
DJJOHNNYM 11:12 PM - 14 December, 2006
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Strange, I have 1200s, silver, and they have the funny Euro plugs (had to get adaptors) and voltage selector under the platter. Bought them here in the USA.


You, my friend, had the ILLEGAL Japanese ones...(I think)...

The ones I got from TOPS APPLIANCE had the standard plug, and no voltage selector. That was in 1985. I'm sure the illegal ones infiltrated the market later on.
DJJOHNNYM 11:13 PM - 14 December, 2006
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I did too Konix, I bought the Black 1210 MK2's and they also have the Euro plugs and voltage selector. After Halloween someone broke the tonearm of one so I went to PSSL to buy another 1210 MK2 and they said they dont carry them anymore I also called every guitar center and sam ash in the area and none of them carried a BLack 1210 MK2 only 1200 Mk2. Pretty wierd.


Are you saying you saw a BLACK 1200MK2? Or they didn't have anymore black 1210's period.?
Dj Ryme 12:27 AM - 15 December, 2006
Here is the breakdown Johnny:

I bought a pair of 1210 Mk2's they were black and had the euro plug and voltage selector under the platter. Bought them back in July or something.

At a Halloween party one of the tonearms were broken by a drunk person so I tried to get another brand new table from pro sound and they said they didnt have any 1210 Mk2's in stock anymore so I then called guitar center and sam ash and got the same answers.

The only thing they had black were 1200 Mk2's or 1210 mk5's.
It seems like the 1210mk2's should have never been sold here in the US.
Konix 12:49 AM - 15 December, 2006
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You, my friend, had the ILLEGAL Japanese ones...(I think)...


Is that a good thing, or a bad thing? ;)
djtekno 4:05 AM - 15 December, 2006
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Here is the breakdown Johnny:

I bought a pair of 1210 Mk2's they were black and had the euro plug and voltage selector under the platter. Bought them back in July or something.

At a Halloween party one of the tonearms were broken by a drunk person so I tried to get another brand new table from pro sound and they said they didnt have any 1210 Mk2's in stock anymore so I then called guitar center and sam ash and got the same answers.

The only thing they had black were 1200 Mk2's or 1210 mk5's.
It seems like the 1210mk2's should have never been sold here in the US.


I probably bought the last black 1210 pair from PSSL. =] So really, what's the difference? Black 1200's and black 1210's? I ordered for black 1200's over the phone since that's what PSSL has advertised on the site, but I got 'em and it says 1210. Could someone clarify on this for me?
Dj Ryme 4:11 AM - 15 December, 2006
I just dont like having 2 different numbers on my turntables.. im gonna fix the 1210 sell them as a pair and just buy one more 1200mk2
lunizus 12:01 PM - 15 December, 2006
When I started out 3 years ago, I bought my first pair of TT they where Numark TT200. I got them for 150 each when they were sold at 200. A year or so later I bought 1 Technic MK5 because that’s all I could afford at the time, Now I want to sell my 2 TT200's so I can save to buy the 2nd Tech. but it is hard to sell them. Moral of the story, if you can buy what you want first, then do it. Other wise you will be in my position trying to sell your first deck instead

Buy Technics MK2, M3D, MK5, M5G

Now for the TT500, it is the TTx1, but with out all the bells and whistles. Your choice
DJJOHNNYM 3:11 PM - 15 December, 2006
Wow, I didn't know they actually made a black 1200. I always thought they were 1210's...Cool to know.
wakka 3:48 AM - 16 December, 2006
Vestax PDXs - The most skipless turntable; for the turntablists

Numark TTX/TT500 - Bedroom DJs on a budget

Technics 1200s - Strictly in the club
ronchee 3:39 AM - 17 December, 2006
started with 1200 mk2s then had enough money to get a better pair. it was either m5g's or stanton st150's.

the plan was to buy the st150's and try them out. if i didnt like them i would return them and settle for the m5g's. lets just say that im glad i didnt follow along with the plan. very solid table and feels just as good as a 1200 with a few bells n whistles along. plus its cheaper than a m5g
gucca69 5:53 AM - 17 December, 2006
well no matter where you spin the majority of the time the bar club will have technics the are the industry standard { wait for the backlash } i have used them for 11 years and i wouldnt be comfortable using anything else.
its personal preference go the the shop and use a few sets and see what you feel comfortable with and maybe ask a few of your local dj's for advice on equipment the will hook you up.
but here im going to say it { most people in here will disagree } i would personally get a set of pioneer cdjs you can do alot more stuff on them and they are easier to learn on most clubs have them set up too.
move with the times i was totally against cd decks untill 2 years ago now i use both but mainly the cdjs.
let the backlash begin!
Dj KaGeN 11:55 AM - 17 December, 2006
hmmm.... I really hate my denon's -- are the CDJ's far superior?
gucca69 11:09 PM - 17 December, 2006
i have used both and think the cdjs are much better but thats only my humble opinion...
ontime1269 2:39 AM - 18 December, 2006
When I first got into DJing, I started on CD players, and thats all I played on, never touched turntables. About 3 years ago I tried to mix on my buddies 1200's. They are a pretty old set of 1200's. I couldn't pull off a decent mix on them for anything. I got very frustrated. I didn't touch any turntables again until about 3 months ago, when I bought Serato. I decided I wanted to learn how to mix on turntables with Serato. I decided to buy a set of Numark TTX's.I decided to go with them because of the price and the features. I'm a bang for the buck shopper regardless of what is the most popular or standard. The TTX's made the most sense to me. I hooked them up and was able to pull off mix after mix successfully. I don't know why I wasn't able to mix on the 1200's as opposed to the TTX's. The TTx's have my nod.
wakka 10:03 AM - 18 December, 2006
Anyone else have turntables other than Techs but have no problem whatsoever when playing in a club with Technics installed?

Soundcheck for two minutes tops, I'm good to go. The assumption that you must own Techs in order to perform a gig with them is not true.
ronchee 4:00 PM - 18 December, 2006
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Anyone else have turntables other than Techs but have no problem whatsoever when playing in a club with Technics installed?

Soundcheck for two minutes tops, I'm good to go. The assumption that you must own Techs in order to perform a gig with them is not true.


clubs no but parties...ive got to spin on other peoples set ups and just used my own hd or laptop and i find myself very easily adjusted to the techs. i guess its like riding a bike. i learned on techs and i cant forget...
mronchka 3:38 PM - 23 December, 2006
hluzinus, If you're looking to unload those decks i'm looking for something cheap. email me at mronchka*at*gmail.com
Thundercat 8:14 PM - 23 December, 2006
Regarding the 1210, black 12's etc, I looked this up from a post I made back in august here: scratchlive.net

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taken from www.theturntablefactory.com

>>>SL-1210???WHAT'S THAT?<<<

I've gotten a lot of e-mails from you "Technics buffs" asking, in part "I have (can get) an SL-1210 MK2. What does that mean? Well, here's the story:

It seems that North America was always a different market for audio equipment, because our electric is generally 117 volts, 60 Hertz. Most of the rest of the world uses 220 volts / 50 Hertz, or a combination of those 2. In the case of the turntables, the only differences, electronically, was a multi-tap transformer, and a different power supply board, complete with a 117/220 switch. As the drive on these machines is "frequency generated", there was no need to do anything about the 50/60 Hertz difference. Technics,along with many other of the Japanese and European manufacturers, made different versions of the same unit for different markets. Technics has been known to make 4 or 5 different versions of the same model!!

Now, we explain how you got what, back when these were new, and why: The 1200's sold here were single voltage (117 volt) units, and were noted as 1200MK2 or M3D, first, only available in silver, but later made available in "black" (actually a very dark charcoal grey). If you bought these goods new, say at a Manhattan, NY "importer", or other non "Factory Authorized Panasonic / Technics Dealer", the chances were nearly 100% that you were getting a unit destined for another market other than the US. All "Official" Technics electronics came into the US through Panasonic Distribution.

"Grey Market Goods", which were those sold by non Technics dealers, meant that they were bought overseas, and brought here, to be sold direct to the public, bypassing Panasonic distribution and dealers (and extra mark-up!). Usually a bit less expensive new than the US counterpart, there were disadvantages, the biggest being that Panasonic/Technics would NOT honor ANY warranty.

What you actually bought would have depended where you bought it, but most ALL were multi-voltage switchable, and that's the big giveaway! A Technics turntable that had a "10" as it's last 2 numbers, rather than "00", meant it was destined for the non-US market, and, 99% of the time was (is) available in the dark charcoal color, only, and did NOT come here through Panasonic Distribution, making them "Grey Market". There are some exceptions to this rule, but most apply to other models.. an SL-1350 is an early stacking changer, available here in the US in dark charcoal,only.. but, if you add "10" to the "50", you get a"1360", and that's the non- US version, and is SILVER!!

Used SL-1200MK2/M3D's and their 1210 counterparts, are worth the same money, in the same condition. The only advantage to the 1210 models is that IF you plan to use them overseas, all you need do is turn an easily accessable switch under the platter to change from 117 volts to 220 volts, which meant a step-up (or step-down transformer would not be necessary. When Technics switched to the all-plastic units, for their non-pro line, around 1980 (with a few exceptions), it started their downhill slide. It got to a point in the mid 80's that the quality of their units were no better than any other on the market, and so they took a back seat. It must be said, however, that their continuing manufacture of the SL-1200MKII is a credit to them. The quality hasn't suffered in the last 15 or so years, even if the list price has (at last glance, $650, but recently down about $100 in order to better compete with the myriad of DJ turntables now flooding the marketplace!)
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djtekno 10:57 PM - 23 December, 2006
Thanks Thundercat, that cleared it all up for me! I bought mine as PSSL.com
Dj Ryme 9:03 AM - 24 December, 2006
so did I.... I still kind of feel cheated.
djtekno 9:25 AM - 24 December, 2006
How so?
djtekno 9:27 AM - 24 December, 2006
Sorry for the double post. They need to incorporate an Edit button onto the forums. PSSL was all right. The only place I found the 1210's for $399.99. The only thing I didn't like is their packaging, and the UPS man. I got my package and the box was pretty soggy, and I opened it up, I see the case of one of my SHURE M44-7 needles broken. Thank god the cartridge/needle didn't not get damaged.
djtekno 9:28 AM - 24 December, 2006
*didn't get damanged.

Haha, another reason for an "Edit" button.
djtekno 9:29 AM - 24 December, 2006
*damaged

Oh boy, I can't spell tonight.
Dj Nyce 2:57 AM - 27 December, 2006
if you use gemini you don't deserve to be called a dj. technics SL-1200 (and up) or bust.

i will also cosign the numark direct drive joint; it has a lot of useful features and 'seems' to have more torque than the 1200's. it does have a larger pitch +/- 10 as well.

but a 'true' dj will always be armed with some technics...
Dj KaGeN 10:13 AM - 27 December, 2006
why why why...... ???
ChULo 10:55 AM - 27 December, 2006
Get what YOU are comfortable with and You can afford. Yes, it seems that the standard turntables are the Technics but they all make the record go round and round. So don't be scared to buy something else just because people say that true DJ's use Technics.

Essentially, we are all artists who have our own personal preference on what type of canvas we like to draw on. Weather it be a Picasso surrealism painting or some 16 year old boy’s graffiti art on the side of a rail car, its art.

Remember, you’re just starting to get your feet wet, it’s not like you’re gonna be spinning on 1200’s at a club next week.

So, go to you’re nearest Guitar Center, spend all day trying each one out, go home and do it again untill you figure out what canvas suits you.

Good luck and welcome to the world of DJing.

Chulo out!!
djtekno 11:27 AM - 27 December, 2006
Man I wish we had a Guitar Center and whatnot close to this town. The only way I got to test out was buying off ebay, then re-selling.
ontime1269 11:27 AM - 27 December, 2006
Good and excellent point Chulo. When I shop for gear, I buy what gives me the most bang for the buck. It doesn't matter what brand it is.I refuse to make my purchase based upon who says this particular brand is the Industry standard. It's all about me and what works for me. Like I said. I like bang for the buck. That's why I chose Denon over Pioneer for CD Players. That's why I chose Numark over Technics for Turntables. To anybody shopping for gear, decide what works for you and then make your decision. Don't be a puppet and go with what everyones say's is this or that.Try them all out and see which works best for you.
wakka 5:24 PM - 27 December, 2006
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if you use gemini you don't deserve to be called a dj. technics SL-1200 (and up) or bust.

i will also cosign the numark direct drive joint; it has a lot of useful features and 'seems' to have more torque than the 1200's. it does have a larger pitch +/- 10 as well.

but a 'true' dj will always be armed with some technics...

No one should respond or even read this post.

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Essentially, we are all artists who have our own personal preference on what type of canvas we like to draw on. Weather it be a Picasso surrealism painting or some 16 year old boy’s graffiti art on the side of a rail car, its art.


Wow, nicely put.
Dj Nyce 6:00 AM - 29 December, 2006
aha, but you read it...

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if you use gemini you don't deserve to be called a dj. technics SL-1200 (and up) or bust.

i will also cosign the numark direct drive joint; it has a lot of useful features and 'seems' to have more torque than the 1200's. it does have a larger pitch +/- 10 as well.

but a 'true' dj will always be armed with some technics...

No one should respond or even read this post.

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Essentially, we are all artists who have our own personal preference on what type of canvas we like to draw on. Weather it be a Picasso surrealism painting or some 16 year old boy’s graffiti art on the side of a rail car, its art.


Wow, nicely put.
Crickett 11:27 PM - 29 December, 2006
1200 MK5's....It's the only Turtable you will ever need...Trust me i've owned every incarnation of the 1200..

Hands down the best available.
DJ RECKONIZE 4:27 PM - 27 February, 2007
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Man I wish we had a Guitar Center and whatnot close to this town. The only way I got to test out was buying off ebay, then re-selling.


Yo man! Check out 123dj.com. They have some awesome deals. I have never had any problems with these cats. There out of Chicago. I go on here and print out there prices sometimes and have GC match it.

It's cheaper then e-bay that's for sure