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Another hour with Itch 1.6 / Xone:DX
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Another hour with Itch 1.6 / Xone:DX

PPIP 9:30 AM - 20 March, 2010
In another topic I mentioned a loud beep when spinning with Itch 1.6 and the DX. This morning I hooked up another USB cable witch is a special gold plated cable instead of the original DX USB cable. Now I did not had the beeps at all. I don't know for shure it is the USB cable that caused the beep.

I am really enthousiast about the DX but not about Itch 1.6. It feels like an early beta version to be honest.
The first thing I do when loading a song is to delete the automatic beatgrid. The auto grid is way of with 80% of my songs I loaded. It where all straight house song wich are easy the calculate the bpm I think. It even looks like Itch 1.6 is'n looking at the bpm tag that is already in the song. When I delete the grid in two songs who where analyzed with an earlier version of Itch I can beatmatch just by turning the pitch control until the bpm displays the same tempo. That tells me the original bpm in the tags are OK. So it is a riddle for me why the auto grid is so way of beat.

One other thing I find out is that for almost half the songs that I load my cue points are gone????

And jet another thing. When loading a song where the cue points are missing. In some cases the song is already half way when loaded. I have to srcub all the way back to the beginning just to set a new cue point.

And do you believe it??? I have another thing!!
Even if the cue point of a newly loaded song still exist, sometimes the song is not at the first cue point. In my setup of Itch I marked the "play from first cue point".

Tonight I have a gig but I am really doubtful whether I will bring my DX or just bring my VCI-300 and play with Itch 1.5.....
Maybe I take the change and bring them both. This gig I play with another DJ who is a good friend of mine. Whe have also turntables and cd players. So when Itch 1.6 is acting up I can always switch back.

The feeling of the DX I really really love big time.
DJMIA 2:16 PM - 20 March, 2010
PIPP, you should post a help request in the help section so the Serato team could help you faster.
PPIP 2:40 PM - 20 March, 2010
Thanx for the tip DJMIA. I am not seeking for help, I just want people to know my experiences. Now I am reanalyzing one crate just to see if Itch will run smoother. I found out you MUST reanalyze your songs or else the waveform builds up really slow. I think that was causing the beep noise I had yesterday. Today I plugged in this other USB cable and I only played with newly analyzed tracks.
djcerla 2:41 PM - 20 March, 2010
sure you have to re-analyze everything...
PPIP 2:52 PM - 20 March, 2010
Is that a question?

When I load a re-analyzed track the waveform is there in a split second. When I load a track I have not re-analyzed in Itch 1.6 the building of de waveform is really slow. Just as slow as loading a not analyzed track in earlier versions of Itch.
Serato stated to re-analyze your songs because of better bpm detection but o my computer it seems it is a must to re-analyze.
djcerla 3:00 PM - 20 March, 2010
no, as questions usually end with a question mark.

you have to re-analyze everything
PPIP 3:12 PM - 20 March, 2010
I know there should be a question mark :-) but still it looked like a question.

I feel Itch 1.6 runs much smoother when you've re-analyzed your songs. I am not to happy about that because I have over 7000 12" inch versions of dance tracks in my collection.
djcerla 3:33 PM - 20 March, 2010
ok, but assuming ITCH doesn't crash while analyzing (it happened to me) it could be done overnight.

BTW, speaking of hi pitched noise... can you hear a kind of (quite loud) saw wave background noise in the headphones outs?
Rjc 3:38 PM - 20 March, 2010
I do, starts around the 3/4 point. Only noticeable really with no track in the headphones mix.
PPIP 3:58 PM - 20 March, 2010
Quote:
ok, but assuming ITCH doesn't crash while analyzing (it happened to me) it could be done overnight.

BTW, speaking of hi pitched noise... can you hear a kind of (quite loud) saw wave background noise in the headphones outs?


Itch did not crashed and is just ready with analyzing 928 tracks. I only analyzed de crate I need tonight.

The high beep did not happened anymore. There is no noise in my headphone. I have the headphone amp in Itch halfway. Did you push the in Itch amp for the headphone maybe?
djcerla 4:06 PM - 20 March, 2010
no, saturation is set to zero...
PPIP 4:09 PM - 20 March, 2010
I will check if I hear a noise when I am using it tonight. I cannot check now because my DX is already packed for tonight an I am making a backup of my Macbook right now. I always make a last minute backup before every gig.
djcerla 4:14 PM - 20 March, 2010
it's a subtle sound, you will not hear it in a club environment
PPIP 4:29 PM - 20 March, 2010
I still have good ears ;-)
When I have put my gear back together tomorrow I will try to listen if I have it to.
PPIP 10:24 AM - 21 March, 2010
The last night gig with my DX went well. I am getting used to the DX in so little time. The layout is really intuitive.

Now for Itch 1.6.
Itch was OK but not flawless. I had 4 hick-ups in the sound. They where very short and for me it was annoying most of the audience did not even noticed I think.
During a hick-up I see the waveform on screen stops en the sound stops. It only last for 0.01 second I think. It happend also while I did not even touched the DX and there where no fx going on. I did not noticed what the CPU bar did with a hick-up.

Maybe I will make a help topic for the hick-ups.
DJ GaFFle 2:49 PM - 21 March, 2010
Where is the link for version 1.6?
PPIP 4:37 PM - 21 March, 2010
1.6 is only for Xone:DX and is on the CD in the box. 1.6 don't work with any other controller so you have no use for it.
Serato
Dylan W 10:26 PM - 21 March, 2010
Hey PPIP,

Thanks for posting up your impressions of the DX, it's good to hear a customers first impressions of the system.

In regards to song BPM ITCH 1.6 does have the same improved BPM detection that 1.5 has, the difference is that in 1.6 if you have not already analyzed your files with 1.5 it will reanalyze them when you load them. This is because for the the beta grid to be accurate ITCH must reanalyze the BPM of the song and ensure it is correct.

Is ITCH still getting the grid wrong for the songs you are loading up? 80% of them going wrong sounds like a lot so it'd be good for us to understand where it's going wrong. It's worked much better than that for us and our testers.

In regards to the grid if ITCH is detecting it properly the easiet thing to do to correct it is set the downbeat/1 in the right place and then just tap the SET button in time with the song while it plays, providing there is not too much tempo variation in the song it usually only takes a few taps to get the beatgrid right for the whole song.

Having cue points go missing sounds like serious problem that should not be occuring.
If you can start a help request for this our support guys will help you out, we'd like to get to the bottom of this issue.

Let us know how you go, thanks for the feedback.
Cheers
Dylan.
PPIP 8:23 AM - 22 March, 2010
Thanks for your reply Dylan. I have made a help topic but I screwed up the topic title :-(
Cid K 2:49 PM - 22 March, 2010
@ Dylan / Could we get the Beatgrid feature with the Offline Player...