there is, its called the bedroom

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dj vice gets 10x more quality gigs than pauly d
this thread sucks, just like all the other pauly d threads

is this really considered a pauly D thread???? Its not really about him

outside of DJ's most general public don't know who the hell Vice is.

this is true

yet he gets some of the best gigs in the US...
vice gets the kind of gigs where "hype and popularity mean nothing and you really have to flex your party rocking/technical skills"

the general public does not book DJs
like is said, vice gets 10x more quality gigs than pauly d
and so do other "real DJs"
if you're struggling locally, then keep working at it. It'll come

if you can afford it... travel and network. this year im going to new york, and puerto rico. next year i'll be going to la and probably london. take your best demo and a business card. if promoters/owners don't know anything about talent, but they know you aren't local and your around just to party, they'll get the idea that you're doing something right.

i'm not saying you have to travel far, hell just take a road trip somewhere outside of YOUR town. djing is like any other sales business. you can't saturate the same market for too long.

all you have to do is have passion and desire toward what your doing and be humble.and of course your talents speak for there self.

the new platform to flex your talent is to practice and practice and be humble and everything will fall in place with hard work and dedication.

redbull is ok BUT they dont look at skills/mixing i saw a guy run a premix and acted like he was mixing (without head phones) and came out the winner so yeah....bedroom djs are taking over

Youtube. Try it. Build a little fan base on there. Post some clean/creative mixing w/ some scratching.. just like your idols and bam!

If you are worth watching again, you will know. If not, then you're just another mediocre dj. If you HAVE skills, post a video. It's proven that youtube can make your "famous" (just to name one, t-pain. akon found him on there).

All I have to say is post a VIDEO. You will get recognition IF you deserve it.

^ I meant it's a good starting point.

Rather than posting something on the forums and complaining about this n that.... Go make a mix/video!

Show the public your TALENT. You can start here.

I can't believe this is my 3rd post in a row. Fail.

haha well they were all good posts so i'm gonna give you a pass

You could always quit and try another hobby which is less crowded...maybe stamp collecting.

practice and be humble...the best advice you can give any dj. pauly d is popular now but he wont be in a few years when guys like vice and chahci will still be killing it in the club.

what people dont understant....its not about just spinning records(dj)if u a rapper its not just about a couple of hooks.........u need to have a whole team of people promoting you are u be that whole team...just like nas is better then jay z but jay z has more money then him and will be remember longer you know why.........jayz got the rite people in his corner......

I was thinking what if there was a site where DJ's can hold battles? Where DJ's can call out other DJ's and challenge them. Kinda like the battle section on djforums.net but more sophisticated. Like a hip hop dj can call out another hip hop DJ for a battle or 2 DJ's can have a scratch battle. And any DJ can call out even big name DJ's for a battle.

Also a site like Beezo but more geared towards the general public. Beezo is cool but the only people that download mixes off there are DJ's. If there were one site where the public can find DJ mixes it would help all of us get heard instead of only being heard in clubs where 3/4 of the people are too drunk to remember your set.

Never going to work. The "big names" don't have time and anything to prove by responding to peoples challenges.

Honest truth, I don't think vajra/a-trak/vice would take the time out of their already busy schedules to post a battle video.

Don't be shy, post some videos and we can be the first ones to judge whether you'll stand out or not.

its not a good think for a dj to keep posting mixes cuz then the public can just bring a cd to a bar or venue and rock out with that.......also i big name dj would bettle cuz they are not making money off it.....plus there is always somebody better then the other so they know they would lose to somebody then somebody will lose to the other

shouldnt really be a worry theres already tons of great DJ mixes out there they could be using, but a premixed CD cant read a dancefloor and adjust to the crowd



i think its less about the money and more about not having the time to do it especially considdering as a big name youd have TONS of hungry up and commers challenging you every day. But if your not a big name this would be a great idea, battlings a great way to make a name and noone shouldn be afraid to participate in something just because of the possibility that theyll lose

i think alot of people in this thread are missing the point, its about "how to i get a job in the club" or "how do i get a job on the radio" its about finding a new platform to push the art, one where the rules havent been formulated to water down the talent to drive busniess, one where the bottom line of the busniess isnt the bottom line of whats happening

Is this the part where someone starts plugging Enrie's new Battle at Backside thing? Is this all an advertising ploy?

lol

Get the fuck outta here. Go win the DMC's and tell me you wont be getting good gigs.

i dont think the DMCs get half the press they used to

Naw I'm not plugging Enrie's battle. I actually emailed him saying it's stupid to charge DJ's $20 to upload mixes when services like Mixcloud offer free hosting. Beezo only markets to other DJ's, the general public will never go onto Beezo. The only thing that keeps that site afloat is that Enrie is friends with alot of the big time West Coast DJ's and he gets them to submit their mixes.

The main problem that is watering down the art of DJing is that the public cannot tell the difference between a good DJ and a great DJ.

nor do i think they care

I think if there were more local events them the public would get more into the art of DJing and turntablism. I remember at one point here in Atlanta there was at least a monthly DJ battle going on somewhere. But now you don't see that anywhere.

i think scratch compitions are alot like the dunk contest in the NBA, its only a crowd pleaser when you have really talented individuals really pushing the creative envelope, the general public dosent care how clean your tripple audabon crab scratch is so unless something amazing is being done they dont care, and theres only so far you can push the amazing envelope, when you have guys doing backwards handstands scratching records on kids toy turntables stacked and playing at plus 6 where do you go from there, i think the problem is DJin in general as an art got the spotlight for a minute and now that spotlight has moved on and no as an artform its back to a genre underground type thing like most art is

The local competitions would be the breeding ground for the wannabees. Back in the day it used to be that the local comps were for showing other DJs what you were made of and perfecting your set so when the Bigger comps (Guitar Center, MARS,Kool Mix, Red Bull, etc) came around only the best rose to the top.

The local comps would be mainly for the DJs . The only non DJs that would show up for the lacals were the the people that truely appreciated scratching.

Also, this wouldn't just be for scratchers and turntablists. If you included Mix sets as well more people would be willing to check it out. Do the turntablist early on in the night and let the mixers switch out from 11:30 until the end of the night.

I acutually had the idea (and im workin on it with a local owner) to have a dj battle of all the working club DJs, the idea would be to have a comp on an off night (like when no clubs are open on sun mon or tues) and have all the local "big name" DJs come in and each do a set, but let each DJ do their own kind of set, like if you like electro do that if you are a party rocker do that scratcher do that ect ect, and have judges rate you and a crowd support score. Basically the compition is just kinda a ruse to give all the djs a chance to get to do the kind of set THEYD really enjoy and expose our crowds to some more stuff than they normally would, like if a DJ who has a following and spins all top 40 plays and then after him you get a good breaks set mabye that top 40 crowd will pock something up from the breaks set

the only people who care about DJ battles are DJs trying to come up and prove themselves.

so many bad ideas in this thread.

kinda like, hey, they should make a website where underground rappers can call out Jay-Z and battle him. If he doesn't respond, he'll lose all his respect and can never put out another album.. Also, only way for Lil Wayne to keep his record contract is to win a monthly rap battles against bedroom MCs.

I'm not talking about bringing back DMC style battles. That format is outdated and doing complex juggling patterns and triple click scratches for 5-10 straight minutes is way beyond comprehension of the general public. Qbert came here to VA like 5 years ago and just scratched for a whole set and nobody except DJ's were impressed.

Also battling big name DJ's is not my focul point. I doubt Atrak would take on every challenge but it would be dope if he would take on one every now and then.

Vega you seem to be content with where the DJ game is at right now with celebrity wannabee's diluting the art. If there are so many bad ideas what would your solution be?

Actually you are wrong on this. I see a lot of people that are non-djs talking about Beezo. I actually had a friend who is pretty much as far away from the scene as you can get get ask me why I don't have my mixes on that cool site called beezo.net.

the djs in my area dont even know about beezo lol

+1

If I didn't know any of the DJ's on Beezo I would not care to DL or even stay on the site. If I'm just a high school kid looking for good music on Beezo how would I know which "old school mix" to download?

I'm not content with some aspects of the "dj game" myself

but it is what it is.. all the suggestions i've read on this thread so far are childish man. You people are trying to solve a problem that has plagued every type of "art/skill" community since the beginning of time, not just the "dj" community

and i really don't understand this quest you have to get the general public so interested in DJs. It won't happen. DJ Craze is a legend to most DJs, won 3 DMC titles, etc, etc. Yet here in my/his hometown miami, most people aka "the general public', don't know or don't give a fuck who he is. Should he have a battle with DJ Khaled and settle the score once and for all? Naw dude. This is why none of the ideas in here makes sense to me.

If you're a good/real DJ, then keep doing your thing. Managers/promoters will notice you keep people at the bar/club. If they rather pay some noob to play the same songs he downloaded yesterday and pay him less, then fuck it, he got lucky. Swallow your pride and keep working at it. This just seems like a lack of promotion/networking skills on your part. Believe, I know. Its tough & frustrating sometimes. Its probably the hardest part of "DJing", because you can't change how the "general public" thinks about a DJ. Most people honestly just don't give a fuck. They just want to grind on some ass at the club. ""oh dj vice is spinning?? cool.. but check out the ass on that chic!!!!!!"

you should be able to give your own answer on that one LOL

hes right guys noone in the general public is intersted in DJing

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Im pretty sure my idea makes sense as its not trying to convince the public of shit its just an oppritunity to let the area djs have fun

which is the entire point of the "we need a new platform" thread

Most of the general public could care less about DJ's because we're still concerned about getting $200+ a night for 4 nights out of the week and eventually getting on the radio as a mix DJ. And by doing that we're dropping the same top 40 playlists as DJ Pauly D and every other newbie who would charge $50 a night. People can't tell them damn difference. Plus way fewer people listen to the radio compared to the 90's and not every music lover goes to clubs.

Like I said battling big name DJ's is not my main point. Winning battles adds credibility but it wont make you AM status. There needs to be an online platform where any DJ can upload and share mixes for the general public and other DJ's to listen. Like a youtube for DJ mixes.

I really can't accept the way the DJ game is right now where real skilled DJ's are being ousted for newbie push play DJ's and B list celebrities wanting to increase their fame by playing premade mixes.

i agree with you except for this, theres tons of sites to post mixes, hell you can even post a vid of yourself mixin on youtube and do live streams on ustream and stickam, you just have to advertise yourself right and get a buzz to get people watching

the best dj's aren't battle dj's their only known by battle dj's or regular dj's. Now the resident dj is known by the crowd cuz he's their every week. It seems every post about a dj skill refer's back to pauly d. W.t.f you guy's don't have nothing else better to do. Other dj's is go always hate. Why bother. Other's say I Talk Alot Of shit and say I'm full of bs. They want me to post a mix or video mix. To prove a point. I don't need to prove nothing my time is money. I've known vice, echo, melody for years and they would come spin at gigs with me and only spin for like 45 minute's why cuz that's all they were good for. They didn't know how to rock a crowd club wise. Now its a different story. Stop drinking hateraid and get out and promote yourself.

Celebrity Status = $10,000 A Gig no matter If you sweep the floor, do a walk thru, sign a autograph, cook a taco at the club. ( Their A Celb that popular)

Non Celeb status Dj = Hater

he's a line from beat street I like but I will flip it around.

you see that fresh new train, so you tag it. The the next day spit tags over your tag. you and your friend see it and ask why. your friend reply's cuz he can't do no better. well that the dj game now. you can do better but the promoter don't care.nor do the people partying at the club if your play what they want to hear.they don't care you won a dmc or your better then him. if he's rocking then he's staying. end of discussion

You do know this game was a horrible flop right? They dont care that much.

arstechnica.com

Every DJ is a hater deep down hahahahhah. That's funny.

Glad I'm not the only one that walks in a packed club, packed dancefloor and say to myself, damn this DJ sucks, I'd be playing ________ (song) if I was spinning. AHAHAH

True story.

touche

yet there you go bringing him up...dont YOU have anything better to do, we bring him up because hes the most visible symptom of whats wrong with the game





yet you find the time to constantly be on here.....you said you did a dirtbike gig the other day and just rode the dirtbike, how hard would it have been to ACUTUALLY dj and just hit record on the 57 lol



If you compare the game to tagging we are at the point in the game where real taggers were being shot by gang bangers who were just spraypainting 3 letter no style words all over the place

wow i was reading the article and i realsied how REAL this game is, because not only does it represent us but the reason it failed is the reason i hate most consumers in this day and age


heaven forbid joe public open their minds up a bit and give a shot at hearing something new and not the same cookie cutter spoonfed looped bulshit their used to

at the end of the day...its about money and its about what the people like or what to market to the people........plus as far as getting a job on the radio and clubs........its about who you know and if you dont know nobody then go out there and get to know then...

not only did you miss the point of the thread but my explanation of the point flew over your head too....you should have an air traffic controller for your head to make sure htese points dont all colide

the point is money........always has always will

this has nothing to do with money

if the point of this has always been money howd it start in the parks with no money bein made, free gigs in the park is where it started

to make money..........its promo thats all.....funny you said that....i thought about going out and doing a free gig just for promo but im like.....nah....i can just throw on a mixtape

lol nah those park partys werent for promo or to make money learn ya history son, ig uess its natural for those who dont get money to focus on it so hard

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

LOL!!!!! +10000000000

oh you didnt know life is about who you know...........wow thats insanley idiotic...........saying its about money is rambling.......your fucking retarded it....look thru history buddy sombody had to know somebody to get some where......just like biggie had to know puffy...lil wanye had to know baby....ll cool j had to know def jam(or the other way around)

u flex your your talent to the rite person you in(who you know)

you NEED to know an english teacher

you studderin B quit gettin nervous

yall some nerds......im out.......you can true dj and bitch all yall want......im going out side and get some bitches......i holla

lol be sure to be back before 8pm b its a school night!!

I thought you might have been from another country, so I looked at your profile and much to my surprise, you're american. So my question is, when did they stop teaching english and completely forget about literacy in public schools?

We had something similar to that in my area. Heres some clips from it. All but the first 4 on there.

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im throwin down my bullshit card on everything that kid says, he talks this big game about promotin himself to be a celeb dj but i ask him for a myspace or facebook and the kid dips, his posts for the day go till 6:30 am then stop then start up at 2:30pm....you know whos not postin durrin those times, kids in school.

^ hahah

Can't get caught slippin' with Bezzle. Detective Bezzle.

lol im batman muthafukaz

ya that shit looks dope!!! some great music bein played there that they may have not been able to play on a standard club night