So I was just wondering what everyones opinion is on this and what are the lines you feel you can cross as an uncle/aunt and as a parent, what do you feel is exceptable.

I have 3 nieces and 3 nepews and the boys are just terrible and can be disrespectful.I avoid diciplining them because I dont want to get into any beef with my sister and parents are super sensitive bout this shit with there kids and understandably so.

If I dont like what I see,I simple dont come around. But I do feel when it comes to disrespecting me directly, Im not gonna put up with it and it is your siblings responsibilty to put the kid in check.


So my 13 year old cousin lives with me. Hes like my nephew. He has this thing where he'll be all up on me in my buisness when Im reading or browsing my iphone or whatever. When I get pissed and say "GTFO your breath stinks", little shit tries to justify it by saying "but Im not even touch you". I warned him not to do it again in front of his mom or he will get hurt.
SO he did it again the other day and I headbutted him sick. Shit was funny though cause of his reaction.I thought he was gonna cry and shit and be all pissed at me but he knew it was time to pay da price. Everyone knows this happend and aint no one telling me shit. His mom told me he deserved it. I knda felt Fucked up but WTF was I to do. Im not gonna be a broken record and soft.Action needed to be taken.

I love the kids and dont wanna be the "Bad Uncle" and want them to come to me for whatever but they just need to Know their role,ya feel me?

So anyway, share your story's and opinions. Maybe we can all learn something here.

Dude you cant head butt a kid, kids are inquisitive by nature and thats not something to look down on even if it can be annoying.

One more thing is that kids are like a sponge and learn very quickly, so if you act like you are towards him, he will pick that behavior up and incorporate it into his own in one way or another.

Im sure there are other ways to deal with this kid other than violence, because it really doesn't help anyone.

True but I also believe people are just born with a certain personality and no matter how "Good" a parent you are, your kid could still end up FUCKED UP and vice versa.There are so many reasons that contribute into a persons personality from too much dicipline to not enough dicipline,Genetics and drug use.

2nd) I dont "act a certain way" with anyone. To be more clear, I meant to scare him and pretending to hit him but he was so close that my head made contact with his.But I was just calling it what it is.Trust, this kid didnt learn anything negative from me.Sure you can have your opinion but its really illogical therfore irrelevant as far as Im concerned. You really cant say anything based on one inccident.

There are plenty of fathers and Uncles that wrestle with there kids and some playing WAR games with them and basicaly doing all kinds of crazy shit. Doesnt the same apply?



I agree 100% and thats why I post this in the first place.
I've never "Hit" any kid intentionally. If they get on my nerves, I bounce and let my sibling handle the situation.

You approched the kid the wrong way, if you are annoyed you don't tell the kid to GET THE FUCK OUT. You have to be the adult and talk to him llike one, otherwise he'll think your just "one of the boys" and will treat you so.

ya hes looking for attn so when you turn around and get pissed hes going to keep pushing that button so he keeps the interaction going, and your giving him the responce hes looking for......i do love the immediate escalation from saying nothing to FUCK OFF to headbut...if he didnt learn from the headbut try breaking a beer bottle over his head and if that dont work shoot the fucker cause you dont want a pissed off lil kid who can take a beer bottle to the head and still come at you...that wont end well

+1 on the headbutt
-1 on the swears

He was more shocked than hurt, and will get over it.

A little ruff-housing is good for kids that age.
He'll also remember you always for the one that put him in his place, and respect you more for it.

I say beat him up some more for fun! The kid prob needs to burn off some energy anyway =o)

LOL ya teach that kid to use physical viloence as a solution for aggrovation but make sure you dont teach him any naughty words we dont need that in our societey

lol

lol you guys are awful advisors

powerbomb the kids through a table

hahha

LOL, I thought more people would get in on this.I honestly dont hink parents really even know what the fuck to do themselves with these terrible kids these days.

LOL cause I used a situation as an example, not to get advice on.Thanks anyway.Its a lot easier to say what you should do until your in a situation where you just react.

Im not even sure if there is an answer.Maybe yoi just gotta hope for the best.

you either got the patience or you don't, in your case i don't think you do. You need to know how to talk to kids the right way, otherwise you won't get through. Saying "GET THE FUCK OUT" isn't going to work.

Dude, sometimes NOTHING works to the point where counclers get involved.Thats the point, thats when people start doing shit out of frustration rather than whats right. ADD is not something you teach.

no but its easily medicated

your correct there are kids out there that are unreachable heathens but theres adults like that too.......the situaton you described is FAR from that though

Beat the shit outta them! If my sis has a kid and he don't respect me you best believe I'll whoop his ass.

hahahahahahahaha
finally, a voice of reason
;)

Lol at this thread. Whilst I'm not against beating hard ears kids that don't want to listen. From the little you've told us it sounds like you may have over reacted just a little. Lol.

Jokes aside there are some kids that would've reacted differently and come at you with something and before you know it you're in a full scale beef with your little cousin/nephew or whoever. You're the adult you should act like one. Try bring him into your world instead of pushing him out. Chances are he's bored, curious and got too much energy. Next time he's playing the ''what you doing'' game tell him and show him. Providing it isn't porn lol. Who knows you might get the kid interested in DJing or give him a new hobby.

what i would have done was acted cool with him then sent him on a mission, liek here look at this.....hey go see if the tires on my car are flat, something that would make him feel important that he cant screw up that will A) take up his time getting him away from me, B) after a few times he wont wanna be anywhere near you cause you make him do work

As soon as you see your son/nephew/niece/god son/small brother acting up the bar has to be set to acknowledge what's too far. If the adult in the situation doesn't take control immediately the kid will take it into consideration next time and will repeat with the same attitude.

I'm just firm with any kind of disciplinary action I take whether is with my god son or younger brothers. I also respect them in anyway I can to show that I value there opinion or action as long as they're in line with what ever situation it might be. I think that's come to be key because they don't just think I'm bossing them around like slaves.

LOL, you guys give this good advice that I've ironicaly given myself but the question is "What if all this FAILS?" thats where Im getting at.

Whats next?

Sue their estate!!!!

try watching those "SAW" movies... they have some really good ideas.

A wet chancla or power cord is what I learned from when I was growing up. With a side off old style ass beating (no misquote).

LOL +1 on the Chancla. Moms Most convenient weapon.Although my Aunt used it most.
I actually use to get my ass beat my my Grandma using my Granpas belt.Even gotta a beating from a cane,lol.

First off, you screwed up by saying 'GTFO".

What self respecting ADULT talks like that to a kid?

2ndly, you HEADBUTTED HIM. That's abuse you idiot.

You should have beat his azz with a BELT.

That's an acceptible form of child abuse.

Then why are you even BRINGING it here, if you don't want to hear the REAL?

GTFO with that s&*t!

LMAO @ IRRELEVANT.

+100

I'm sayin, he put it out there...

+100

+1000

People don't realize that cussing a a kid is DISRESPECTFUL in it's purest form.

People cuss when they have nothing else INTELLIGENT to say.

*at a kid

**damn edit button***

what i hate is people who dont control their kids but trip out when someone else tries, i know working at the mall i get tons of lil shit kids who come up acting a straight ass and their parents dont even try to fix it, i had a lady looking at buying a watch and her kid was literally kicking me in the leg the whole time and the parent was just talking like nothing was happening, another bad one was my GFs sis who is super overprotective, me my gf and my gfs friend were at he sis's house and her daughter kept running up behind my GFs friend and pulling her hair, after several times of telling the little shit to stop the kid yanked on it REALLY hard and the girl yelles OWWW STOP IT, which is not inappropriate in the least if someones causeing you pain thats a mature reaction. The mother jumps up out of her chair (after listening to her tell the little shit to stop for about 30 minutes and not interfering) and starts screaming at the chick to never yell at her daughter and started getting all rowdy with the girl.. It was ridiculous and later the mom was asking me "could you belive the nerve of that girl to yell at my daughter" and i just told her that what i couldnt believe is that you basically just taught the kid its acceptable to do whatever she wants in someones personal space with no consequence and when she starts going to school some other little kids probably going to hit her in the face over it

She should have headbutted her.

lol,

headbuts as approved by the surgeon general!

Alright JohnnyM, Family Counslor. Although I initially wanted to react to you calling me an "idiot", Im not gonna lower myself to your level. What self respecting adult would do that?I will say ,you IMO, are being hypocritical.You want to preach but you are no better than anyone.You reacted base on a thread that obviously bothered you.Thats cool.It happens.People react and for a brief moment its justified.It happened to me.

But I can admit this was my mistake with my cousin and we talked about it.Any form of hitting is not cool and NO, not even with a belt.You should read the whole thread before you talk shit.I thought I mentioned it but let me be clear, This is NOT normal everyday behavior on my part therefor not the problem, but this is his normal behavior.I never wanted kids and dont have any of my own by design but am trying to deal with the situation Im in the best way I can.Not having his father, he looks up to me and not having his mother,depends partly on me and thats about all you need to know.

Some people are good parents and have fucked up kids and some people are fucked up parents and have really good kids.If you've never seen examples of this this,you really need to open yourself up to the real world.

exactly.....headbut him lol

****The Doctor is now IN***

Well, if you take offense to my earlier statement, that's on you. I'm a parent, of 2 kids. And I'm an uncle, and have been in a position where I would need to discipline my sister's kids. So I've been in your situtation, and beyond.

You won't understand the implications of you "headbutting" the kid until you have your own.

And I read the thread THOROUGHLY before I responded because I had to go back and make sure I was really seeing what I was reading.

And no, I wasn't being Hypocritcal because you are trying to equate "reacting for a brief moment" of cussin' a kid out and HEADBUTTING him, to me "reacting" to your thread.

The difference here is that you hopefully regret your "reaction", while I still stand behind mine. It's OK though.

When dealing with kids, yeah people make mistakes, but there are some mistakes that you are NOT allowed to make. For example "reacting" and shooting someone in a split second.

Hopefully, you will have learned from this exercise.

*****The Doctor Is Out*****

Although we've had some jokes in this thread I got to agree with Johnny. As the adult you really need to be thinking 2 and 3 steps ahead in any situation involving children.

Anyones gonna take offence to being called an idiot.BTW,if you can manage to without being sarcastic,what exactly is your definition of an idiot?Just curious.If you can reflect on everything you've done in your life,not hesitate and have a logical answer then I will give you props cause you must be Perfect and better than anyone else in the world.

I hate when people say "You'll understand when you have kids". Again some people dont want kids and most people dont even plan them or dont use protection and then end up in that situation.Maybe your the exception to the rule but if not, I cant respect someone who has kids by accident.Again Im NOT saying that is you.but stats show that this is likely.Truely Responsible people will have less resposibilty's.One being children.Do to finances,emotional or mental instability,imatturity or not wanting to curse a child with a family genetic disease or some other reason.I have thought "2 or 3 steps ahead" before even messing around without protection and knocking some chick up and ending up stuck in a bad situation.So in many ways, Im even more resposible than those that claim to be as parents.
At least inn my situation,I can truely say "I didnt plan or want this"

Im not trying to "equate" one thing to another,Im talking about "reacting" to something,anything. Who are you to declare what mistakes are "not allowed"? I do stand by what I did or I would be denying it or not even have mentioned it here.Maybe Im the fool for thinking people could actually share the general thoughts on "Diciplining nephews/nieces" rather than trying to preach to me.Kids are to messed up nowadays to buy any of it that everyone else know best.Im sorry, I cant do that.

If you really did read the thread,You would have seen where I post that I did NOT intend on headbutting him but rather scare him but I made contact with his head.If anything, I hurt myself more to only have him laughing about it minutes later.I had a talk with him later expaining that "I didnt mean to do that on purpose and never have or never would do anything to hurt him like that or let anyone hurt him" He apologized and said that he knew and admitted he was wrong in being all in my face just being annoying.

Perhaps your blessed with having good kids and NO, its not just because of "good parenting". Rather than bash me, why dont you share with us an example of dicipline with one of your kids for us to judge.Im sure you'll pick the most appropriate one.

I have no problem with you Josh but you're missing the point here.

It doesn't matter that you didn't want kids. You have a kid now and you can show him the good path or the bad path. Simple as that. I'm sure you're a good person and providing for the child but at the end of the day you messed up.

We all want a certain lifestyle but we have to deal with what we are given and this is your life for the near future.

Cool but Im not the one missing any point.Its other not reponding to the actual question. I know it was messed up what I did.Intentionally or unintentionally.Of course I felt fucked up for what I did.I posted this thread curious about others opinions.Not about me but about the subject which is the title of the thread.But I forget people are incapable of this.No one cares about the overall picture,they just look for one flaw to trash the whole thing with trying to hear the reason behind the flaw.It doesnt matter, its flawed therefor worthless.People are funny like that.

Post after post, the overall subject is ignored but why would I expect anything less.Thats just how people are I guess and everyones to stubborn to let up.I have no beefs with no one here but I dont appreciate being called names without really getting to no me or what Im about. It not about getting hurt,its about not allowing it to just happen to me.

Anybody who intentionally Headbutts a KID is an IDIOT. Now you say you didn't MEAN to headbutt him, but check this out. You wanted to SCARE him, so you went through the motion....and BAM! You hit him by "accident". So when he's sitting up in the Emergecy Room, and they see that knot on his head, and the doctor asks how he got it, and he says "My Uncle Headbutted Me", what do you think is gonna happen next? You're gonna be telling the judge how you wanted to scare him, and accidently put that knot on his head. Guess what? You'd be going to jail.

As for the statement I made about "You'll understand when you get kids", that's exactly that. The love you develop for your OWN children, (if you're a good and responsible parent), is like NOTHING else in this world. It will be the driving force that will make you work countless hours to provide the best for them, and protect them from harm. You would give your life for them. Now, enter the person who doesn't feel that same way, (or doesn't have kids), and they decide that Headbutting is a good way to discipline a kid, if even for a split second. Do you see the problem here? THAT'S when you have to think 2 or 3 steps "Ahead". When you DEAL with KIDS, this is what you HAVE to do, ,or don't let the parents leave them in your care.

So you think Headbuttnig a kid is a MISTAKE that's "ALLOWED"?

And this right here


So are you saying YOU'D DO THAT AGAIN?

And this right here


So, you're really mad that he LAUGHED at you, after you tried to abuse him? Jokes on you huh....

As for me disciplining my kids, if they do something out of line, they'd get THE BELT, just like I did growing up, and my parents before me, and grandparents before them.

Worked fine for me, look at how I turned out.

Man, look the FIRST step is to make you realize what kind of REAL DANGER you were putting that kid in. And you STILL don't get it. You want to Monday Morning Quarterback, without addressing the REAL issue at hand.

Do you know what that is?

It's the PARENTS.

Don't give me all that baloney about Good Parents can raise BAD kids. Statistics say that a home with 2 Loving Parents are most likely to produce offspring to society's liking.

Now look at your situation. First off, lets say the kid is acting up because his parents haven't paid the proper amount of attention to him....

Now he acts up in FRONT of you...

And what do you do?

You ADD to the Messed up formula in the 1st place by headbutting.

Nice.

I don't skip over anything, and can type on this board all day long.

Don't get it twisted.

I wouldnt i strive for it

not to try and give parenting advice cause i think people baby their kids into deliquency now adays but in the same situation that you lectured josh over if your kid showed up to school with a bruise and they asked where did you get that and he said my dad beats me with a belt you could be sitting a few dockets back waiting for josh to get done with the judge to have your turn

You will not go to jail for beating your kid with a belt. You don't beat them until they get marked up.

really?


www.mlive.com


Judge: trooper showed no remorse for hitting boy with belt
By Amy L. Payne | Booth Mid-Michigan
May 20, 2009, 7:48AM
Dan Staudacher | Times PhotoPatrick L. Sharkey, 56, in April pleaded no contest to a charge of assault and battery relating to the Nov. 12 incident in which he hit an 8-year-old boy with a belt.CARO - A Michigan State Police trooper will serve 30 days in jail and one year of probation for the Nov. 12 incident in which he hit an 8-year-old boy four times with a belt.

Patrick L. Sharkey, 56, of the Caro post, was also ordered to pay court costs and fees and to complete a court-approved anger management course.

Before Judge Kim David Glasby of Tuscola County District Court sentenced Sharkey, who has been a police officer for 32 years, he played a tape of a call Sharkey made after the incident to the 911 dispatcher who was on duty. The prosecution, Glasby said, had requested the call be made a part of the official court record.

In the call, Sharkey tells the dispatcher that he hit the child four times with a belt, saying the child's mother was too afraid of child abuse.

"Bottom line, the paddle straightened his little butt out to where he ain't gonna cause no problems tonight," Sharkey says on the tape.

"This was a beating," said Judge Kim David Glasby of Tuscola County District Court. "And you have no more right to beat a child than I do to come off this bench and cane you."Sharkey also tells the dispatcher that the child needs to be paddled every time he does something wrong.

The boy's mother, Melissa S. Ihrke, called 911 on Nov. 12 when the boy became assaultive, was hearing voices and was out of control, according to Assistant Attorney General Dennis J. Pheney, who prosecuted the case.

Ihrke, of Tuscola County's Ellington Township, declined to comment after the sentencing, but did say she was satisfied with the outcome.

Sharkey had said that the boy's mother had asked him to discipline the child. But Pheney said the tape makes it clear that the "beating" was not at the mother's request. Pheney said that even if the mother had asked Sharkey to discipline her child, it was Sharkey's responsibility to tell her that that was beyond the scope of his duties.

"This isn't a rookie," Pheney told the court. "He knew better than to do this."

Glasby agreed.

"What I find remarkable ... is that the blame for the incident appears to be assessed to others, not to you, Mr. Sharkey," Glasby said.

Sharkey has blamed the dispatcher, the mental health authorities, the boy's mother and the boy himself, whom he called "defiant" and a "little jerk," Glasby said.

The boy's mother, Melisssa S. Ihrke, watches as Patrick L. Sharkey is sentenced.Glasby also said that Sharkey showed no remorse, that he was only sorry because of the trouble the incident got him into.

Sharkey had just one comment in court: "I apologize to the court," he said.

And though Sharkey has no prior record and a good reputation in the community, Sharkey said he took advantage of his position as a trooper.

"This was a beating," Glasby said. "And you have no more right to beat a child than I do to come off this bench and cane you."

Sharkey's Caro attorney, Amy Grace Gierhart, said that Sharkey was called on to act as a social worker and a psychiatrist, as well as a law enforcement officer in the November incident. And that since that time he has been seeing a counselor.

"I think the pressure that he's put on himself is probably immeasurable at this point," Gierhart said. "Trooper Sharkey knows that he has made a mistake."

Sharkey in April pleaded no contest to a charge of assault and battery. In exchange for his plea, a charge of misconduct in office - a felony - was dismissed. A plea of no contest is not an admission of guilt, but is treated as such for purposes of sentencing.

Sharkey has been suspended without pay for about three months. The outcome of his employment has not yet been decided

Ummm...the child said they were "hearing voices", that's some type of Mental issue.

OF COURSE you don't beat a Mentally challenged kid.

so its only acceptible to beat well adjusted children now??: What if the kids got ADD...thats a mental issue

ADD is absolutely a mental issue. Now you, as a PARENT, have to decipher what actions are ADD related, and what actions are just a kid being hardheaded.

Buncha PC mofukkas in here. That kid lives in your house. He acts up BEAT HIS ASS.

So what, everyone here was raised on the time out method or some shit?

I never got a smack i didnt deserve. Maybe a headbutt was a lil strong but still beat his ass when he fucks up.

Oh yeah and if they start yelling for CPS remember one thing..........


They gotta make it to the phone first!

I'm going to start head butting them annoying kids at the grocery store when their mom's not looking.

Yo JohhnyM,Who are you to declare what abuse is,yet you go and beat the shit out of your kid with a belt on a regular basis compared to my ONE inccident in 13 years, are you kidding me?You must have it down to a science so that you dont leave marks. Dude you do got things twisted and an even bigger idiot than you see me for real. Like Im really gonna take advIce from a guy like you.And I really wanted to give you credit.And I would and have came damn close to giving my life for someone I didnt even know.So dont tell me about needing to have your own kids to know what it is to have heart or LOVE.What about your other family or friends.What kinda cold shit is that?I can go here all day ass well.But its getting pointless real fast.Practice what you preach man for real.

on the realon the belt thing, i got it as a kid and im all for it BUT i know from experience that kids dont just stand threre and take it they move around and try to block it and move ect ect, odds of leaving a bruise are pretty highwith a belt so your on the borderline of trouble, dont believe me just google, "goes to jail for hitting child with belt"

+100

That is EXACTLY what we tell kids when they come up with that mess.

You will get beat with a BELT to an inch of your life.

Builds character.

Dude, don't get heated cuz I kept it real, and exposed your radical behavior.

One day, when you have a kid, you will think back to this day, and DJJOHNNYM mentioning the type of Love you will develop for your offspring.

I already know that you can't relate, and that's OK, because you're comparing it to the "Love" you have for "Family and Friends".

Trust me when I tell you, it's a totally different animal.

I'm passing this along to you, because it was passed along to me.

I ain't tryin' to diss, but to "scare" you into facing how detrimental the action you took really was.

Parents and guardians, in the end, ALWAYS have to be smarter than the kid.

I also ain't tryin' to piss you off for sport or anything, but I will tell you...

Regular disciple administered to kids is NECESSARY.

I personally don't believe in all that "Time Out" stuff, and I talk to my kids a LOT.

Because of that, we as parents are ALWAYS getting compliments as to how "Well Behaved" our kids are.....while we're watching the rest of kids WILD OUT in Walmart.

The "Eye" in the store would be the first step...

The second, is a trip to the bathroom....

Your funny man, your the one who came in here name calling to only expose yourself as a hypocrate.Trust,I aint heated, I find this funny as hell honestly.Keep patting yourself on the back cause anyone can see right through you.

I mean serious, are you suggesting that people just go and make babies to experience this LOVE you speak of? lol, When you take in your bro,sis kid because something happens, then preach to me about being selfless.
I was hit belts and told myself I would never hit any kid and I never have.What happend is one time thing.You keep saying "i dont get it". What I dont get is if you want me to awknowledge what I did was not cool(which I already did) or if you want me to tell you that Im a scum bag of a person just to please your opinion of me.Im not the one who beats kids with any sort of weapon on a regular basis.You need to admit this to yourelf,be real with yourself and seek anger managment for the sake of your kids.Sorry if the truth hurts


IM just trying to help you out man.Dont take it out on me.Im sure you mean well in your own head but hitting your kids with a belt and then justifying it later is not cool.And then you seek out someone who did something you feel was too extream and you bash them to make yourself feel better about your own dicipline methods.

Seek help before your kids get hurt physicaly and emotionaly.

Dude, who said to "Make Babies" just to experience this "Love" that I speak of. Nice try at twisting my words, but again, the only reason you're heated is because you were exposed to

1. - Telling a KID to GTFOFH....
2. - Physically headbutting them.

Hey, if you want to call yourself a scumbag, then that's on you.

I don't see your reflection in the mirror.

You do.

So you got hit with Belts and told yourself you'd NEVER HIT a kid with a belt huh?

So, what do you do instead?

Headbutt....

Brilliant.

And I'M the one that needs to seek help....

Lol Johnny your kids get off lightly. I got beat in the store in the aisle infront of everyone when I was a child :o( Then got told there'd be more if I didn't stop crying :o(

LOL! I think I was beat in the store ONCE.

After that...

Never again.

I was exposed? Im the one who came on here to speak on the incedent for the world to read genious and your the only one to really get heated up about it to the point you had to call me out on something that 1) I didnt do intentionally and never would 2)You do yourself which is abuse your kids.I didnt realize it was such a conspiricy.Your obviously gonna keep avoiding your own issues and justify them by bashing me so why are we really waisting our time here? Your gonna keep on about the same thing over and over without facing your own demons. If I wanted to deal with a broken record, Id still be using vinyl.

Im not gonna repeat myself anymore.Theres no getting through to you and Im know to be a stubborn dude myself but I know when Im waisting my time and can be adult enough to stop.Yes you do need help bro,seriously and why do you think I posted this? Obviously because Im trying to learn something myself.Not about what I did but about what I could do in the future but this thread was a serious fail.And you failed at teaching anyone anything.

Im happy for you that you got your family man.Some of use wernt so lucky.Some of us loose our kids before there born and find out our girl cant have kids to only loose our hopes and dreams of ever having a family,not to mention eventually the girl.I didnt feel I had to mention this before just to get your "love for your own kids" credit.I never wanted kids before and I dont want kids with anyone else now so I guess your right,Ill never know and Im sure your smilng thinking thats a good thing.

Theres really nothing left to say here.I'll see you around the forum bro.

this argument is the equivilent of watching the OJ car chase

in a situation like that you got to ask yourself 1 question....what would tiger woods do

Nah, I really wish the best for you, hope you get married and have kids that nobody else has to discipline.

I have nothing personal, and to tell you the truth, the only way I will really remember "you" in this context is if I make a mental note of your name.

This same argument would have been had against anybody who claimed they made a headbutt split decision, not just you.

Don't take it personal.

****shines up LAPD badge*****

Ha ha slight derail of thread but I've been listening to that Tiger Woods tune by Maino all week lol.

Ha ha the realisation that your mum doesn't feel a way about beating you in public. Lol.

Hell yea, my Dad didn't care where we were.... if that's where we acted up, that's where we got it. And we KNEW it was gonna happen. We knew there were gonna be consequences for our actions so we didn't act up too much. Kids today are getting away with whatever they want... parents need to discipline their kids Not BEAT them, but discipline the s#it out of 'em!