All pride aside, maybe they brought it out main stream but you really think they were only rapping in NY?

Jus wonderin' :-/

maybe mc-ing started there, but the concept of beat juggling came from dancehall/dub dj's in Jamaica... i read that somewhere a while ago.
Graffiti probably started in Africa (think Egyptian Hieroglyphics)

Rappin' started by white people at an auction show

Nah. That was just Twista's career. lol

lol I was going to mention him but I forgot his name

Obama told them...

can you even really say this.....rhyming words to tell a story didnt start in NY

LMAO... nice...

im just sayin man you gotta set these new yorkers straight sometimes, they like to claim everydamn thing, listen to one of them and youll be thinkin jesus was born in brooklyn and he took the turnpike 4 times a week to do sermens

and im not talkin big baby jesus either

you're talking about the one who carpools with Jorge right?

I thought hip-hop was more than just rhyming words to tell a story. If that's what a DJ considers hip-hop then I can see how other people confuse some of the crap out here with hip-hop.

where did i say hip hop was just rhyming words to tell a story, read the quote....i was talking about MCing exclusivley

and if you expant it to an mcs other duties...hyping the crowd presenting the performance master of ceremonys ect ect ect...that wasnt started in NY either

In the late 1970s, the term MC (master of ceremonies), also known as a rapper, became associated with the role in hip hop music and culture. An MC uses rhyming verses, whether pre-written or freestyled, to introduce and praise the DJ he or she works with, to hype up the crowd, to pay homage to his own stature, or to comment on society....


None of which was originated in NY or in the time period hip hop began

NYC > all

Bezz..you're saying that "it didn't start in NY" but you're not saying where it actually started...Where did it start then? LOL! I'm interesting in finding out too.

Oh I'm sorry I thought this thread was about hip hop. Maybe I should re-read the title.




Oh snap! I just re-read the thread title and it turns out this discussion is about hip-hop.

I guess you forgot that hip-hop Is more than just MCing or DJing or Graffiti. All of those things existed before Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is a combination of all of those things.

lol yes the THREAD is about hip hop BUT if you acutually read the thread you will see what i quoted came from the information in the thread breaking hiphop down piece by piece...here ill break it down for you

2nd quote of the thread


then my quote\post which very obviously shows what i was referring to in the previous quote as JUST MCing


and yes i realise that the culture that is hiphop started in NY i never argued that what i was very clearley saying was that none of the elements started there

maybe the word 'maybe' has different meanings in different parts of the world... maybe.

and mabye can you say this is a statment and not a question in some parts of the world to

Glad you clarified that.

or maybe not
not all of us get our education from google.

so your saying "can you even really say this " is NOT a question???...in that case mabye more people need a google education

I thought the pioneering hip hop dj got juggling breaks from disco guys.

I haven't seen anything that taught me otherwise.

Although Charlie Daniels Band came out with "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" in 1979. Dude was rapping, but he didn't have a DJ or breakdancers in his crew.

hip hop started in paia

the paint on my walls are almost dry... i'll get back to u soon. if i'm not back in 5 minutes





wait longer.

The way I heard the story told is...

Back when Kool Herc was doing block parties in the streets of New York, tapping into lightposts for power for the speakers and turntables...breakdancing was born. During the "break" in a song...the people dancing danced the hardest and craziest. Herc found that by taking 2 of the same record, and extending the break using both records to "loop" the break by back cuing to the right spot, he "took the hippest part of the record and hopped back and forth from turntable to turntable."

Thus, the term hiphop was born, as well as breakdancing and b-boys and b-girls.

That's how I heard the story told anyway...don't know how true that is.

so there were no other dj's and kids dancing in no other big city in America.I call BS.NY is making the story to be what they want it to be.

And to go even further, were all these people involved in the so called creation the same exact race or a diverse group.Cause I always wondered why a certain race named the music after themselves.

fuckin freejay

basically the way i see it is when a few hundred kids from akrin ohio do something its a trend when 4 million people from new york do it its a culture.....cause we all wanna be like new yorkers right?

Well until another city gets the balls up to claim that title I'm gonna stick with the NY theory.

I didn't start breakdancing until I saw it on "That's Incredible"

Although, a few of us kids were all ready doing some poppin' before that.

^^ I think they had on New York City Breakers for that episode.

Everything great starts in New York, then the rest of the country hears about it and ruins it.

You didn't know? Country music started in Queens

lol...i heard the blues and jazz started there too....im fine until i hear one of yall cats try to claim bounce, then words are gona be exchanged lol

Dub Step started in NY! lol

I thought hip hop started in Atlanta with Soulja Boy?

Soulja Boys from mississippi

Do you mean beat juggling in the DJ Steve D/Babu/Roc Raida sense???
I truly doubt dancehall/dub DJs in Jamaica knew how to scratch, yet alone beat juggle.

Hell, did they even have mixers with cross-faders back then? Come'on... they may have had block parties and been credited for toasting the crowd but Hip-Hop all started at 1520 Sedgwick (South Bronx) with Herc and Coke La Rock.

Here's the original flyer: images.nymag.com
What the hell was going on in YOUR city in 1973?

Much later in its musical development, New Orleans was home to a distinctive brand of rhythm and blues that contributed greatly to the growth of rock and roll. An example of the New Orleans' sound in the 1960s is the #1 US hit "Chapel of Love" by the Dixie Cups, a song which knocked The Beatles out of the top spot on the Billboard Hot 100. New Orleans became a hotbed for funk music in the 1960s and 1970s, and by the late 1980s, it had developed its own localized variant of hip hop, called bounce music. While never commercially successful outside of the Deep South, it remained immensely popular in the poorer neighborhoods of the city throughout the 1990s.

hosted the superbowl in 1978

hip hop may be a new york thing but musically you know NOLAs got this.....we got blues jazz RnB soul...all that good stuff ;)

Precisely; take a look at this for some background as well:

www.zulunation.com and this www.oldschoolhiphop.com

I was lucky enough to meet Herc back in 2006, or 2005, he was spinning records for a Breakdance competition, at an annual graffiti fest (Under Pressure). That man was the realest. You can tell he really cared about the culture, he was adamant about being able to see the breakers while he was spinning (there was a crowd between the booth and the floor, they were on the same level). He didnt really mix records, in the beatmatching sense, but he'd drop tracks perfectly together. The track selection and programming was really inspiring too.

Here's the original flyer: images.nymag.com
What the hell was going on in YOUR city in 1973?

thats probably one of the dopest flyers I've EVER seen.

"the concept' i said... here's wiki-wiki-pedia

Hip hop arose during the 1970s when block parties became increasingly popular in New York City, especially in the Bronx. Block parties incorporated DJs who played popular genres of music, especially funk and soul music. DJs, realizing its positive reception, began isolating the percussion breaks of popular songs. This technique was then common in Jamaican dub music and had spread to New York City via the substantial Jamaican immigrant community. A major proponent of the technique was the "godfather" of hip hop, the Jamaican-born DJ Kool Herc.

Wow..are you doubting a fact? Yes, Hip Hop was originated in New York.

"Hip hop started out in the dark, they used to do it out in the park."

Im questioning what is believed to be a fact.I do this and rather than answering my questions,people always get upset and point out what they know, when I already know what they know all while still not answering my question.Its doesnt have to be so complicated.

Im not a history teacher here to give a lesson (I dont have that much of an ego), Im simply a student who is curious and hungry for knowledge. Sorry if I just dont believe everything I read or hear.

When it comes to "History",despite a mass of evidence, just like the "Big Bang" theory,there is much to be questioned.Just like a criminal can be innocent if there is reasonable doubt regrdless of the evidence against him.

If it wasnt for people who think outside the box and question things, we would all be in a massive religous world war right now.Not that where kinda arnt already.

Again, Im just a student, not the teacher.

hes not douting a fact, eevryone knows NY is where they packaged everything together and slapped a label on it and started selling it to the public, but what hes saying or asking is if its possible there were other people elsewhere doing the exact same thing, odds are there were pockets in places doing similar shit

Well, maybe so BUT those "pockets" didn't have the wherewithall/flavor/love/desire/grind/resources/circumstances to put it all together and blossom it to the culture/movement/empire which was so great in the late 70s, 80s and 90s.

Sooooo, at this point, it doesn't matter... Hip Hop started in NY :-)

Wow no wonder so many NY cats move out of there. I've heard so many New Yorkers complain about the attitudes of New Yorkers here in L.A. but its ironic that they bring that attitude themselves with them.Like anyone cares that there from NY, LOL!

Thank you sir

+1

VIA Wikiepdia to set the record straight

In 1969, American club DJ Francis Grasso popularized beatmatching at New York's Sanctuary nightclub. Beatmatching is the technique of creating seamless transitions between records with matching beats, or tempos. Grasso also developed slip-cuing, the technique of holding a record still while the turntable is revolving underneath, releasing it at the desired moment to create a sudden transition from the previous record.
By 1968, the number of dance clubs started to decline; most American clubs either closed or were transformed into clubs featuring live bands. Neighborhood block parties that were modelled after Jamaican sound systems gained popularity in Europe and in the boroughs of New York City.
In 1973, Jamaican-born DJ Kool Herc, widely regarded as the "godfather of hip-hop culture," performed at block parties in his Bronx neighborhood and developed a technique of mixing back and forth between two identical records to extend the rhythmic instrumental segment, or break. Turntablism, the art of using turntables not only to play music but to manipulate sound and create original music, began to develop.

LOL! Cant wikipedia be edited by anyone,then they review it to keep it posted?That doesnt set the record straight at all.Im not doubting tbat happened. I think it was happening elswhere in the world also but got overlooked.

that's what i thought the conversation was about...

Acutually this dosent answer anything, if anything it strengthens our point that it was probably goin on else where at the same time and before


when you popularise something it dosent mean you created it it just means you delivered it to the masses well, and it looks like europe was developing the same way parralel to NY durring the same time

Aiight if you want to use that argument then i dont that blues started in Memphis. Or that techno didnt start in detroit, and house didnt start in chicago. There had to be other people doing it who didnt get noticed.

Fuckin tools. IT STARTED IT NY GIVE IT UP.

....the blues DIDNT start in memphis

LOL... +1

Sure, there were B-lads and B-damsels hitting the linoleum in Europe right about the time Rock Steady got into the game. Gimme a break...

Dude, dont get all butt hurt calling names just because its a valid argument. Then again, I wouldnt expect anything less from a New Yorker.I wonder how many NY'ers actually believe there the BIGGEST city in the world,lol!

+1 LOL

Not the biggest, just the best!

COUGHHHH bullshit COUGGHH COUGHHHH

Hip-Hop started in Atlanta. Just ask MC Shy-D

William Shakespeare started hip hop in England, he was making rhymes in the late 1500's-early 1600's.

Shakespeare's Sonnets, circa 1609

Josh V. You''re just like the ignorant people who argue that blunts were not originated in the East Coast. Next thing your gonna argue is that Grunge music's origin is not from Seattle. Where's your validity? If you actually have some names of people who started hip hop in other regions before 1978 then please use them as resource instead of mere assumption.

Not in the world! Just in the Us! I sense a tone of hate for new yorkers in your posts! Is this true? if so, we are not all cocky individuals! Just some!

1st of all DJ SPAIR, I dont even smoke blunts so what do I care bout that?

2nd, I grew up in Wa State just outside seattle for 1/2 my life through the 80's and early 90's and Im not that closed minded like perhaps yourself to actually beleive that the whole grunge thing was only being done in the Pacific NorthWest.We (or I should say THEY) only claimed it and put a label on it.Either way the whole thing was a sub-culture of Rock which was already around.

If you remember elementary school, the question mark (?) represents a question not a statement.If you look at the thread title, you will see this symbol at the end. Since when does one with questions whos seeks knowledge and truth become ingnorant?I guess in a close minded group thats gets offended by the question apparently.

How can I show you proof of anything when thats what Im looking for myself?Hence the thread title.Maybe the real reason your upset is because it a valid question and are now beggining to question this yourself.Either way its not my issue.

@ Booyah Im from the West Coast (L.A.) and that whole beef died with Biggie and Pac as far as Im concerned.I just wonder if NY feels the same.According to the facebook group "Fuck the WestCoast" maybe not.I also have a few boys from the East Coast who are proud but also talk shit bout the people of NY.I never been there so I cant speak on that myself.I know I would like to visit and plan to in the next year.Theres nothing wrong with being proud of where your from but I dont have to knock anyone to make myself feel better about where Im from like others do. I got love for the world period and plan to do some traveling soon.

I feel your peeps from NY! I went into the army and just came back after 10years and I see the attitudes from the inside looking in now and when I was in the military and met others from NY some of them seemed to be extra with the "NY" attitude. I think it has something to do with maturity and some being posers tryna look hard but are really soft. Anyway, look me up when you decide to make that trip!

some of the coolest and realest people i have ever met were from new york......but without fail EVERY year at mardis gras in NOLA or spring break in PCBeach theres at least 1 dipshit from new york who gets the living shit kicked out of him cause hes so full of himself and where hes from, hes the dude hoppin round the club screamin "NY WHAT NY WHAT THIS PLACE SUCKS LET ME SHOW YOU HOW WE DO"ect ect ectt....then hell usually start messin with someones girl or doin somethin disrespectful and when he gets confronted its "IM FROM BK NEW YORK WHAT YOU GONNA DO".....what the dumb fucker never realises is he AINT in NY anymore and just cause hes from NY dose mean hes bad enough to fight everyone in the damn club

But he DID.

Then you're splitting hairs.

That's like saying, since Edison invented the Phonograph in EDISON, NJ, thus an element of HipHop (the turntable), HipHop wasn't invented in NY, since that element wasn't created in NY.

In that case NOTHING WAS EVER CREATED ANYWAY, because all elements would have had to have been created at that SAME location.

Weak.

i think you missed the point a bit, hes not saying hip hop may not have been invented in NY because elements came from else where, hes saying its possible that people were doing all of it elsewhere in smaller pockets, like mabye somewhere in in some town in kansas it was really popular for big groups of people to get together and play records dance and do artwork and read poetry, that would have covered all the elements of hiphop to a group doing the same thing they were doin in NY but with suddle variations, but since NY had 10 million people doin it and a marketing machine to back it up, they patened it there

That has Long Island written all over it!!!!!

LOL! Maybe! or maybe not I went to HS in LI and other people who moved from NYC to LI always acted like that and like Bezzle said...got their ass whooped and some of them..everday until they shut up and realized that REAL recognizes REAL wherever your at!

Hey! I resent that. I'm from Long Island. Actually living here in Atlanta, I notice it's ALWAYS the Brooklyn cats talkin that mess and ruining things for the other NYers down here. It's always embarassing to see the scenario that Bezzle mentioned.

I doubt that...

Nobody is disputing HipHop was born in NY.

LOL @ this thread!

All I know is at every out of town Basketball or Baseball game, everyones favorite chant (aka "the Hater Chant") is "Beat L.A.Beat L.A.". Never heard that for NY or any other city.It would'nt sound as good.

I love that chant :-)
Lakers World Champs Repeat Baby!!!




.....As you were

wouldnt it be in bad taste to chant that at a knicks game seeing as their probably already down by 15 or more when the chant starts....for this chant to work the knicks would have to be winning

wouldnt it be in bad taste to chant that at a knicks game seeing as their probably already down by 15 or more when the chant starts....for this chant to work the knicks would have to be winning

GO MUTHAPHUCKIN' NEW YORK KNICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-)

You guys really need to search, this video has been posted here beore:
www.youtube.com view

that should settle it then

/end thread :)

LMAO! I can go with that

What do Hieroglyphics have to do with grafitti or hip=hop? Hieroglyphics are orthography (writing) inscribed on a wall, usually by prominent individuals in important places. They are no more connected to grafitti than any official inscription on a building.

How can they prove any of you or even this thread even actually exist and aren't just part of a weird dream I am having about someone doubting the birthplace of Hip-Hop?


and who are THEY anyway and what is THEIR deal... THEY need to just chill the F#@* out!

www.djemir.com
DJ Kool Herc The Father Of Hip-Hop!
"Hiphop... after dark.... They Used to Do it out in the park"
Jamaican born DJ Kool Herc moved to New York in the late 1960's and brought with him the Jamaican tradition of "toasting", which involved reciting improvised rhymes over instrumental sections of reggae records. Since reggae music wasn't so well recieved in America at the time, Kool Herc used a unique playlist of R&B, Soul,Funk, and Obscure Disco Records. But he didn't just play them! During certain points of his sets he would play only the best part of each. These "best parts" would later become known as the break.

"on Every Record there exists that one part, usually only a few seconds long that just had the most energy, the craziest drums, I thought to myself If I could Just extend that piece"

Herc used twin turntables and cut back and forth between two seperate records to create a new sound known as the Break. By mixing back and forth between the two copies the break could be doubled tripled or extended indefinately. Deconstructing and reconstructing music and other found sounds with the turntables, the foundations of Beat Juggling.This was to become the foundation for hip hop, sampling to create new music with exsisting music and also the beggining of the DJ as a musician (or Turntablist).

The word hip-hop itself was derived from the act of hip-hoppin on the turntables from one turntable to the other to create "The Breaks"

"Why You Being So Hostile" - Epic Beird Man

sry, just got carried away.... but "they" are always startin somethin and Im just sayin... WHo THE HELL ARE "THEY"
=)

Epic Beard Man is GREAT!

I read years ago that Kool Herc didn't use headphones when he did this, that technology came later. Dude was a true pioneer (no cdj)

lol at "true pioneer (no cdj".

That was clever.

damn wavy