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Allen & Heath Xone: 4D

DeeJay Image 7:01 PM - 16 January, 2010
I've been searching through the forums but can't find a real answer...

Can anyone tell me if the Xone:4D will work with the SL1 box and as a MIDI for Video SL?

I'm fairly certain it will work as a MIDI, but I haven't found anything on being able to use the XONE: 4D with Scratch Live.... I'd prefer not to have to connect CDJ's or turntables.. I'd like to be able to use the platters.. Like an all in one controller...

anyone know if it's possible??
Rebelguy 8:56 PM - 16 January, 2010
Those aren't platters, they are jog wheels and I don't think they are able to control serato's decks. Your best option would to be to wait for the Xone DX and go the itch route. No video though...yet.
DeeJay Image 9:04 PM - 16 January, 2010
yeah - that's what i was worried about... it would work if scratch live made the deck's midi controllable....
tomatoslice 4:39 PM - 17 January, 2010
i had an xone:4d for about 2 weeks. from what i found the crossfader was not midi.
but it was also bought the day it was released and at that time the american xones were very glitchy and required service.
korpos 9:42 PM - 19 January, 2010
I have a xone 4D - the cross fader is midi....

I just purchased Serato + VSL last month and have been trying to get up and going on video. I was able to easily assign the Xone 4D's cross fader, no problems.

Having so many buttons on the Xone 4D is sweet...now I just have to spend the time figuring out what works best for me....and what to assign where!
DeeJay Image 1:15 PM - 20 January, 2010
Good too know...

If only the jog wheels were assignable...

Does anyone know or think it will work with the Serato 2.0's new features?
korpos 2:55 PM - 23 January, 2010
holy crap - last night out with Serato VSL and my Xone 4D was awesome - my first night out at the club doing video.....I don't see how I could ever go back to just audio! People love it too....good stuff!

The 4D rocked - but like you I wish that there was midi support for jog scratching, I have so many midi toys and it would be great to have full functionality on them...like my Arcade VCI 100SE would be cool to use...I haven't used a TT for years and I personally don't need the Pio's, I would rather be all midi....but I'm definitely nu school and not a purist....so this is just me speaking....
korpos 2:58 PM - 23 January, 2010
*** whoops, I wanted to add one more thing about the Xone 4d -- there is ONE little thing that is annoying me and it is the cross-fader control....there is something going on with setting it and I wish that there was some sort of control in Video SL for the curve?

Maybe it's some sort of midi issue - and I am not sure if I can articulate this well enough....but it's like the video fades over 3/4 of the way to the right side of the fader - when going to right hand deck and I can't get it to just be a 50% in the middle, if that makes any sense....
DeeJay Image 3:01 PM - 23 January, 2010
I actually noticed that too... however i noticed the curve setting can adjust it... the slower you move the fader the more reaction the FXs on the video are...

ideally it should be more responsive.. not sure if it's an A&H issue or a Video SL issue...
tomatoslice 4:51 PM - 23 January, 2010
i remember when i had the x4d the crossfader was really glitchy. you may want to make sure that you dont have one from the very first batch sold in the US.
DeeJay Image 1:47 PM - 25 January, 2010
and how can I tel that?
DeeJay Image 7:40 PM - 1 February, 2010
Just an FYI from my emails back and forth with Allen & Heath on the crossfader dilemma:

Further to your inquiry:

When the Xone:D Series cross-faders are used as a MIDI device control, the full range of CC data (0-127) must be transmitted so that the software application recognises the correct position of the fader, relative to the MIDI data sent (i.e. 0 = Xfader @ X position/ 127 = Xfader @ Y position / 63 = Xfader centred).
In order for the response of the fader to be able to send a signal as correct MIDI data, the curve has to be set to >< (or XFADE switched OFF); once the curve control is adjusted away from this setting, the analogue response of the potentiometer is changed and the signal cannot be translated as a full range MIDI CC signal.

At the >< curve setting, because the curve from X to Y (or vica versa) is linear, the cross-fader response reduces the signal levels approximately 3/4dB at the centre point by design.
Under use with audio applications the cross-fader would be used, either as an analogue control (offering adjustment to the 'cut' setting, and giving you the kind of response you're looking for for your audio signals) OR as a MIDI controller for the virtual cross-fader of the DAW application. It would not be anticipated that it be used for both, simultaneously.

As you're using the mixer for both analogue X-Fader mixing and digital video control, I can see this may present a problem, but because of the response characteristic of the fader, this would not represent a fault with the unit, or it's function.

As far as a solution to your own issues goes, however, it may be possible to fit an after-market fader (such as the innofader, or pro-x fader) in place of the standard part to achieve the curve response you're looking for, and that will also give a liner signal for the MIDI control.
Alternatively, perhaps your VDJ software settings can be adjusted for different types of MIDI control data, or you could use another MIDI-only fader on the 4D to control the VDJ parameter instead?

I hope this helps.

Best Regards
Allen & Heath Technical Support





Zach from Rane responded on the Help forum here:

It sounds like the problem is with the contour of the fader.
The 57 used to act the same way... when you put the fader in the middle the sound would dip out a little.
We did a firmware update that changed it to how it currently works.
It sounds like Allen and Heath would have to do the same thing in order for this to work the way your wanting it to.








Not the solutions I was hoping for after spending that much money.....
korpos 8:43 PM - 26 February, 2010
ok, I'm confused - so if I replace my fader it might work better?
DeeJay Image 1:02 PM - 2 March, 2010
that's what A&H is saying. The problem is A&H didn't have a recommended fader they could guarantee would work.

I did a little research and the Innofader should do the trick and is, according to Innofader, compatible. I haven't done the upgrade yet because I'm waiting to hear back from Innofader on confirmation if it'll actually work.

My worry is that I'll trade out the fader, it ends up not working, and now I've voided my warranty on a $2700 piece of equipment.

That'll teach me never to stray far from Rane products!
Rebelguy 2:50 PM - 2 March, 2010
Quote:
that's what A&H is saying. The problem is A&H didn't have a recommended fader they could guarantee would work.

I did a little research and the Innofader should do the trick and is, according to Innofader, compatible. I haven't done the upgrade yet because I'm waiting to hear back from Innofader on confirmation if it'll actually work.

My worry is that I'll trade out the fader, it ends up not working, and now I've voided my warranty on a $2700 piece of equipment.

That'll teach me never to stray far from Rane products!


The thing that sucks more is that even though you may be told by the company the Innofader is compatible you won't know until you try it. They only look at the schematics and guess for some of the higher end or more exotic mixers as hey can't buy and test everything out there. I was told the Ecler Evo 4 would work and it doesn't.

Just be careful when removing the screws and don't scratch anything and none will be the wiser about the warranty thing if it doesn't work. Just pop the old one back in.
DeeJay Image 1:40 PM - 4 March, 2010
I just received a reply from Innofaders this morning:

"You know it's amazing I literally received a schematic from A&H the same day you sent this follow-up."

"It looks like the 4D will almost definitely work with the Innofader. I'd appreciate if you check with the adapter board and test LEDs to confirm for me how to do the fitting. I'd imagine other DJs will ask."
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Best Regards,
Elliot Marx
Owner / Audio Designer
Audio Innovate


I guess I feel like since I'm doing the testing for him, I should get a free fader out of it huh? fat chance of that actually happening...
Rebelguy 3:36 PM - 4 March, 2010
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I guess I feel like since I'm doing the testing for him, I should get a free fader out of it huh? fat chance of that actually happening...


You are correct.
DJChad72 10:40 PM - 7 February, 2015
Any chance you have tried the Xone 4D with Serato DJ?