Anybody else wish scratch live had a built in sync between the two decks?

I kind of do....though I thought I'd miss it far more than I actually do... syncing is pretty easy with the pitch sliders, but reducing steps does make it easier to do rapid fire mixing on the fly. Part of why I went to software was to be able to do some of the creative things that just could not be done with CD's or vinyl.. mashups, and such on the fly are difficult sometimes as you may need to change songs and fire off within a single phrase... having a sync button makes that possible, where starting the track and adjusting the slider just can't be done due to the time it takes.

I know all of the "i'm too cool for any automation" crowd will cry, but make it so they can turn it off, or hide the feature.

Personally, the wave view and the Beat grid are also "cheating" if you want to be all gay about it, but I don't see any of the "Purists" complaining about that!

Limiting the functionality of the software doesn't benefit anyone. Including the option to disable features would solve those problems for those who like to suffer..

I always laugh when a serato user walked up to me with my Virtual DJ and said "oh, that's cheating, it DJ's for you" I'd step back, hit the sync button to sync BPM, then say.. OK, go ahead and make the software mix... they never can.. even with matched BPM's...

I'm now a serato user, but I can tell you that it's no harder to DJ on serato than it is on VDJ.. The beat guide at the top gets you dead on the BPM.. so why not go one step further, and make a sync button?

it's a useful tool like anything else...

I think its a great suggestion being able to hide it and have it be completely optional.

+1 Definitely the way to go.

I am not a "purist" by any stretch of the imagination but I hope this feature never comes into SSL.

If you want this feature badly enough, there are lots of packages out there that have already implemented this

god i wish ppl would search this damn forum.

as a side note.
the difficulty djing on VDJ and serato is the same...but i've NEVER heard a dj using VDJ not use the sync button. if you don't use the sync button and use VDJ...you are one of the rare ones my friend.

great suggestion but make it optional.....

I would have no objection to this, as INT mode is not the easiest for fine tuning pitch.

Sync is only accurate some of the time...

I spin a ton of disco, funk, and old school 80's....

none of that stuff was quantized, so even if you beat sync it, in 4 measures, it's off again anyway.. I'm riding the pitch bends , or outer wheel of the CDJ through the entire mix

I can tell you that when I'm doing a wedding, or corporate event for example, I'm not going to bring out CDJ's, and all that, I'll simply use my MEP-7000.

I'm curious as to why those who say "I hope we never see this feature in serato" say that.

it's not an auto mix button, it's a bpm sync..

I don't know about many of you, but I'm a full time professional DJ. I support a family of 6, pay my mortgage, health insurance, IRA, etc. by DJing. I have been for 12 years. I'm not some schlock DJing in his bedroom. (nothing wrong with that, I was there 15 years ago) So as a user whose living depends on the software he chooses to deliver his services, I think that features that help a professional DJ do their thing are a smart thing to add..

I don't do clubs anymore. Nothing wrong with them, but as I get older (I'm only 35), I think it's more "Legit" to make $2500 a night to DJ, even if I'm DJing to a dentist's convention.

No software DJ's for you.... even mixmeister, which can be pretty tight, can't intelligently mix and choose proper in and out points.. so what's the problem?

sync doesn't match the tracks up, it simply makes the bpm from one deck match the other.. how much skill and technique does it take to slide the pitch slider till' it matches the opposing player? why not a button to make it lightning fast? that my friends is not DJing for you.

seriously, I have not heard one intelligent reason as to why it would not be a good feature.

those who cannot mix still won't be able to mix.

I just wish that with the substantial investment I've made into this system for my business that development wouldn't be hindered by whiners with lame DJ Names Djing for $75 and a pint of beer, because they're so "Legit"...

Boy, I hope protools and final cut never introduce SMPTE time code for syncing audio and video tracks...

Real audio engineers and Real video editors do it manually...

Using tools to further creativity is cheating.. cheating cheating cheating...

using software is cheating then... wanna' be old school, leave the laptop at home..

I'm looking towards the future...

NEVER EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eklipze please go to sell naranjas if you can't spin

It would only apply to internal mode where you don't have a physical pitch slider. It would simply set the pitch close and not provide any automatic anything.

No hate rlaci, its strictly convenient. If you dont like it, thats cool if you do thats cool too.

-1.

no sync... -1

+10000000 if they make it in (option) why not pepole can choose to use it or no.its a personal choice...

Sync really isn't the word that we should be using. It's confusing all the people that didn't read most of the thread.

If they add this, might as well add AUTOTUNE on the scratxh box mic input :P

LOL... so we can all be rappers as well as DJs

lol
-1
No auto Synch

I can't believe people are still suggesting auto sync....... Whats next? You people want someone to pick, load and play your next song..... How about using your headphones to sync the music yourself? NOT A SYNC BUTTON...... I know this concept may be strange for those microwave dj's..... But, put in your time to practice and perfect your skill before you call yourself a dj...... This thought makes me sick.......

I love when people don't read the majority of a post. No one was asking for auto anything.

You should take your own advice Pete..... Sync between two decks is Auto Sync.....

+1 optional can make happy evryone. Why thinking for 1 when whe can think for 5 billion. (dont think for your self heater think for evry one)

I am totally against this....why should we have a feature that makes Dj'n easier......In fact....I don't even think we should have serato, it makes Dj'n too easy.....I wish everyone would go back to having to carry around cases of vinyl.....that's real Dj'n......oh and direct drive turntables should be banned too, they make scratching too easy.......yeah real Dj's use belt drive.......matter of fact....maybe we should just get rid of Dj's and go back to the days of live performances.......then we'll see who really has talent......oh yeah and I think we should get rid of modern instruments too.......that's right...get your sticks and stones and start clapping..........

It's called progress people....get over it!!!!!!!!!!!

What's with the "Nooooo" people and all the Hatersssss!!! Accept it,Auto sync is a great extra and should not be an issue,i would love it,i'v be Djing for more than 15yrs,i work on average of 5 nights a week,different clubs and all types of music,i have more than 10000 vinyls at my house.i have hundreds of Cd's,Tech 1210',Cdj's 1000s and Sl1 and 3 and i can play and mix on any system,it does not make me a better or worse Dj than the next guy,only more choice and knowledge (and less space),but each year i embrace new technology,i love it,why is it a problem?Its like a musician saying No to computers for recording or producing tunes cause "a true musician should only play live or should only record on 24inch tape or Drum machines are not real drums etc etc"Or We should go back to cassette or 8 track... Whatever way you Dj should not be an issue as it's about what and how you put it together... You wanna stay on vinyl "great... Happy for you,Enjoy..
You wanna use Cdj's to Mix Fantastic..Enjoy
You wanna keep using Serato Even better... best thing ever invented...
You want Auto sync or Fx or loop option or be able to record your voice onto Serato to scratch up or have a sampler... Thats amazing too... What's the difference..
Other systems like Traktor has some of those feature... Does that mean that the Dj's using it are crap or they don't understand how to Dj,NO,just a different way of performing,I don't like the sampler side of Serato but i don't mind it on Serato, im not screaming and complaining about it,if i want to use it,i will,and if i don't like then i just don't use it...End offfff.... Get over it peeps,should be your choice...

All I want is a button for use in internal mode to set the pitch bar to the same pitch as the opposite deck; since it's damn near impossible to smoothly change or fine tune the pitch in internal mode on the fly. I think many others within this thread are also asking for this.

I don't understand why you all make such a big deal out of this? If you really want it that much why not just get Traktor or Itch? Now understand, SSL is first and foremost a DVS. Now, if you were to hit that sync button, then drag the pitch control on the turntable/cd, the pitch would jump anyway. Beatmatching in SSL is fast already, as you can "cheat" and watch the waveform, ...if you want to...

The reason I don't want advanced autosync in SSL, is that I'd prefer the developers focus on stability and better library management.

And to be honest, beatmatching in internal mode using a midi controller is no harder than using a turntable. It is actually easier as you can see the pitch value change when dragging midi-slider/turning midi-knob, even if the if the track is paused.

Again, if this is such a important feature that you would spend time on a forum begging for it, I think you're better of switiching for another one?

There is already a way to "match" if you wish to look at the screen and match up beatmarkers. I think as DJ's its already hard enough to set yourself apart with all the dj hero's out there and the last thing any of us need is yet another way for anyone to be a half decent DJ. I like the way serato stays a little more "true" to the art then other other programs, and thats why i decided to choose it. Just my opinion.

so -1

If this comes in, I quit using serato... It's the only credible program because it does NOT have sync!!!!

Enough with the sarcasm, I would not quit Serato just NOT use it. As people say, "optional".

I did this with vinyl, and now do it easier and faster with serato - no auto-sync required

If it's difficult you need to practice - not ask for autosync

Come on people,just let it go... We all know It's gonna happen at one point or another....No need to be so dramatic about a function on a bit of software...It's a bonus for those who want to use it,Yes you can do things without autosync but it's great to have the extra.... And I bet that nobody will "quit using Serato" because of an added function,we all know once you use Serato there's no going back,YOUR HOOKED!!!!
Love Serato......Most stable software invented for Djing and i hope the Autosync is added asap...

I wouldn't use an auto-sync; but, sync or not, you still need the skills to know when to fire a song off and mix it. I have heard many guys trainwreck while staying on-beat.

auto synce is wack. and anyone that wants it is wack too, and shouldnt be djing. wack ass djs. go dj a class reunion ya bums!

Why do people just not learn the art of mixing? oh wait that takes years of practise. If you want auto sync use traktor. I use serato and traktor for 2 different purposes. I always use sync in traktor and I like Serato as it doesnt have sync and makes me focus more on the music and mixing



so --100000000000000

Please dont destroy Serato

If added, then it wud not be called ssl again!

That time of the month AGAAAIN?!?!?

UUGH when will it end?

NO to AUTOSTINK !!

go away

Sync would be a great addition to an already great hardware/software.

Uers do not have to use it if they choose not too.

If you VDJ you need this.
If you spin electro/house/physadelic (mind the spelling) you would benefit of a sync function soooo much. It would allow the DJ to focus more on FX and making his performances unique.

and yes. If you do use a computer with visuals, you are most likely matching the two decks by matching the wavelengths rather than doing it by ear. there is nothing wrong with either or; to each their own.

At the end of the day, If you manage to impress the crowd by doing your own thing AND throwing in your own twists (live mashups and/or FX) than you are doing well.

Even that Tonetable iPod App doesn't have auto sync.

-1000000000000000000000000000

WTF

+1

lets have this feature, its well overdue

what about an extra plug-in for some extra money? :)
i don't need or even want auto sync. but if it was good working and for a reasonable price i think i would get at - or at least think about it.
i tried this on ni tsp and it's somehow cool to have it.

-1... Just add more wanna be DJ's to the market.

yawn

decimal bpm!

I VDJ and I absolutely do not need (or want) a "sync" function.

Just saying.

check out my post about decimal bpms instead

but we dont need a sync button if u are having problems moving the pitch slider until the numbers on the screen match up theres a serious problem -1 +1. the thing that makes serato a professional respected program is because theres NO sync button so u still need skill. but if serato makes it optional i wouldnt have a problems but g-d forbid they have a beatmatching feature every person on earth is gonna become a dj and the dj culture would be ruined.

i agreee....it took me years of practice to finess the art of mixing...scrating ect.. any button pressing is cheating...if your gonna do that u should become a human juke box not a dj...... but if i wanted to press a buton i wud want the kind of buttons for is sound effects like echo...of flanger....so guys pls dont call urselfs djs call urselfs button pushers.. so at the end of the day fuc sync".....heheheheh

...same here and I absolutely agree, if you're proper (V)DJ, you don't need an "auto sync" option, if not, learn how to mix before you even start to call your self a (V)DJ...

jesus christ, this must be the influx of traktor users coming over to ssl after seeing v2.

SSL WILL NEVER HAVE SYNC. IF YOU WANT SYNC USE ITCH.

Sure, add it. I'd rarely ever use it.

I find I can corner the funk in a track with my hands better than a piece of software can calculate its location. I rarely ever glance at the beatmatch graph, and when I do its just out of curiosity to see how accurate the software is.

There will always be those tracks where it never works, I'll just miss being forced to manually speed up the record with your fingers while in the cross just to get it into the mix, that is, when your actual pitch sliders can't get you there quick enough. I always get a good kick outta that :P

Do you think ... people stopped oil paintin when acrylics were introduced... All the oil painters crying about how fast acrylics dry in relation to oils. Guess what? the artist is who translates his creativeness regardless of which tools he uses. And the artist who whine about it .. have low self esteem .
en.wikipedia.org

So take a deep breath and let the future take its natural course and just get back to business.

But those people thinking of buying auto-sync programs are a section of the market that Serato will also want to pull in.

I'd like the feature to exist, so long as it could be turned on or off.

At least there is now a need for a time signature to be recognised, but mainly for the forthcoming effects panel. If you're midi controlling effects from the computer then your controller needs to know the output tempo at all times for them to accurately 'snap' to your music. A tremolo running at 200bpm when your track's running at 140bpm isn't exactly controlled, so that needs to be aligned with some kind of time-recognition.

no to auto stink. it will cheapen the product. people step up to serato when they wanna become a better dj. let that fraction go. who cares about them.. they will learn and come to serato eventually... when they become a real dj.

I doubt HIGHLY that any respectable DJ...or anyone who wants to BECOME a DJ, has turned away from buying SSL for NOT having Autostink

NO TO AUTOSTINK!!

You proved my point. If you want to paint with Oils (SSL) use it
if you want another medium (enter other brand here_______) then go right ahead!

I'm an artist who uses SSL
you want Autostink? Use a different medium.

A lot of clueless business people in here.

Serato already has a program for the section of the market that wants Auto-Sync. Here's the link ---> serato.com

Scratchlive already has what it needs to align effects, it does it with the auto loop.

NO TO SYNC!

Auto loop only works for those tracks with a recognised bpm though. Most of my library is AIFF and SL doesn't assign bpm to these, thus no autoloop. It needs a better time signature interior to the program for sure. Or at least the ability to fully scan all file types.

so according to a lot of peoples logic on here richie hawtin isnt a real dj because he uses auto sync ?

I know who id rather hear doing a set and guess what ? its not you

Tap then.

That doesn't work.

What do you mean it doesn't work?
I've got loads of AIFF & WAV files in my library, TAP works just fine..

It doesn't associate the bpm. I mean exactly what I said.

fuck richie hawtin.. i would rather spin next to dj am.. splice... vice.. or any of them then some moron who gets paid to push buttons and move sliders up n down and act like he did something cool.and try and get a reaction from a crowd. yay. ask me if i give a fuck. i dont.i respect a dj who doesnt use that shit.. anyone can flange...echo... and reverb a track...wheres the talent in that ?

So you think that Autosync makes him the DJ he is?
Or even improves upon the type of DJ he's become?
I don't care if you'd rather hear his set or hug his nuts.

I have AUTOSYNC...It's in my head.

Wake up, kid. Practice

Ive been Djing since 1984, kid.

Someone's a little grumpy. Did Autosync sleep with your mom or something?

awwww look who decided to join the big boys club.

Lmao you consider this the big boy's club? You're writing sentences with 24 periods in between brain lapses and whining like a 12 year old who doesn't have the coolest toy on the playground anymore.

Serato + Sync will change nothing. Button pushers exist regardless. Duh?

listen, dont be mad that ur still using virtual dj. good night.

Don't forget to take a bow.

Funny, The best arguement you can come up with in favor of autostink is that another DJ uses it. So go jock him some more. It won't change my mind about that feature.

I couldn't care less WHEN you started DJing. It's apparent you should quit considering the fact that to you need Autostink to do the job for you. Search how many times this feature has been discussed, I've always reacted the same way. I didn't mean to hurt you or your girlfriend's feelings.

I consider it WEAK that you want that function.

Fantastic argument, though its not apparent who you're arguing against.

I never said I had years on you guys, it's quite the contrary, I'm sure you all could drop me in seconds flat. I'm not that seasoned.

I also never said I'd be using it. I'm not against it, so I'm not making a big stinkface about it. It puzzles me to think that you guys equate your pride with the existence of a tiny little button that only functions 80% of the time.

I consider that insecure, if you wanna get into definitions.

dont forget to take a bow

? I thought you were the one who said good night.

Nevermind, this is just getting confusing.

they say nerds make the best djs.

don't care either way but ^lol

Same here but I don't want "Auto-Stink". I see too many people using other DJing software without TTs or CDJs and I see them using auto-sync. That's so lame.

JEM 357... I'm curious as to why you want this feature. If SSL had auto-beat-sync would you still use TTs or CDJs.

i know several djs that been djing for 10+ years that still cant match beats..

Lads your all completely right, i mean who wants to go to a club and see some shit DJ playing on Virtual DJ hitting the Sync button just isnt professional. you look at all these videos on youtube of people djing on Virtual DJ their shocking, Back in the days when it was just Vinyl their was an art, no visual aids, no nothing! now any tom dick and harry can beat match. BUT IT DOESNT MEEN THEY CAN MIX?

Software like Virtual DJ says its going to mix for you with the Automix feature but lets be honest, it sounds awful. DJS who come to a party armed with their Virtual DJ, selection of Now 50 Tracks, and his Numark CD Mix are quite franctly noobs!

Back in the day when it was just Vinyl DJS would have been bang against the idea of VDJ.. most people think its ruined now at the fact a computer is involved.

So i ask you this, even if a dj can beat match, does it meen their a DJ or can mix NO, you can hand someone 2 CDJS that are perfectly beat matched and they be like WTF DO I.

I think in all fairness the concept aint all that bad i mean, dont like it dont use it? i came to Serato because its more stable, more professional. and not some tom dick and harry can download a cracked version and think their a DJ.

or even still why not measure the bpms a bit more, eg like 125.42 rather than just 125, we all no that u can perfectly beatmatch but then itl slip away from you.

Whether you like it or not, concider it dont meen you have to use it right?

- 10000000000 If Serato ever gets a sync button I will sell my equipment and start playing an instrument instead.

Hi Dj Unique, to be honest mate id NEVER USE AUTOSYNC, im not really a house merchant and i think they would benefit most. However i do think there should be an option for those who want take djing in that direction (many do).

Thats it really, ZESH! and HENRY GQ thanks for the entertainment !

Hey JEM 357, there is an serato does have an option those who want to take djing in that direction.... It's called ITCH ----> serato.com

/end thread

hahah. i bash the fuck out of a dj in my city for using virtual dj, and call them out on it all the time. i cost one a dj a gig so far, and plan on doin more damage if he continues to be a loser with auto sync.

last friday night i had some lame ass come up to me at my friday residence and ask me if i use virtual dj, i laughed and said people who use virtual dj are losers. he looked at me with disgust, and asked me what i knew(my name is the most popular in the city amongst djs/club-goers) i told his sorry ass my dj name and asked him if he ever mixed live on the radio or if he ever played 35 different nightclubs in the same city... or if hes been in the game for 18+ years, or if he ever made a remix... let alone an edit, of course he was like noooo, and then i said whats ur dj name ?.. he told me.. i googled it right in front of him.. and bam.. nothin came up, so i said.. lemme google my name.. needlesss to say he finished his drink and left the lounge. lame-o

my personal opinion.. fuck auto sync and fuck u for using it to make urself look better than ur not.

+1 lol Virtual DJ is shite, its made poorly, any cunt can beatmatch with it, but in all fairness, doesnt meen they can DJ.

I think the problem with "auto-sync" is that it waters down the DJ pool. We all know how "cool" is it to be a DJ these days, and it just gives all the rich kids with dreams of being the "rock-star DJ" an easy way into the job. And for those who say that "The best DJ's will always rise to the top" - that's bullshit. We all know that in any performance type job, it's not what you know, it's who you know.. and in my city, there are plenty of DJ's who have no right to be live in a bar because they will train-wreck at least 40% of their mixes, but they just so happened to be the bar-owners brother-in-law or whatever.

Many of us all had to learn how to beatmatch the hard way with our ears and it took us a lot of time and devotion to master it. I think we all get a little pissed off when we see some kid in a club with a pirated version of VDJ doing all the beatmatching for him. I am not saying there is anything wrong with VDJ or DJ's who use it... but I have noticed a STRONG correlation between shitty DJ's and VDJ... and I think it's because all the lazy half-assed DJ's gravitate towards software that does more work for them rather than putting in the time and effort. This is my problem with auto-sync.

However, as a DJ who has mastered beatmatching by ear, and would love to pull off some lightning quick mixes/samples/etc... an auto-sync button would be beneficial.

^^^ Fair point

furious george just made a statement i been racking my brain to spit out. very good!

It might be beneficial to some...but it's obviously CRUCIAL to others. the funny part is how they try to be sooo convincing, stating that their sales would improve SO MUCH if Serato implemented this feature.

silly rabbits

It's one function i will never want in this program.

vdj detects the beat wrong more often then it gets it right!

horrible program!

if you've mastered it, then you shouldn't need the sync button, right? or maybe you haven't mastered it as much as you'd like to think?

no auto sync

-1 :)

NO auto sync!!!!!!

don't take the fun away from djing.