Quote From Traktor FaceBook..



thats BS..
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I call B.S.

Or not one actual DJ voted.

i voted..serato all the way baby!!!!

Traktor is by far the more widely used software worldwide.

Man, haven't you heard of DJ Hamiltune, DJ Linkin', D33J4Y J4CK50N, US Grant, and the granddaddy of then all, DJ B3NNY F?! Those guys are HUGE in the DJ biz!

www.facebook.com

I guess I better switch to Traktor then! :P

come 2010 w/ the ablton/serato thing lets see how many people jump ship..
get ready for alot of noobie soon2bee's asking dumb questions for the zillionth time.. :OP

Just more reinforcement of my intense distrust about most of what passes as DJ-related journalism.

Why do dj's replace letters with numbers.

I'm not DJ PUM8.

1 number maybe, but d33j4y come on.

from BPM 2009 thread

Traktor IS a superior product to Serato Buddy Love, maybe you should actually try it out before knocking it.

^^^^^^ gay comment!!!

^fo real though

^^^^ seems like you've never used it either. or youre a complete noob thats never touched real vinyl either. As far as accuracy and control, Traktor Scratch dominates Serato. The only thing Serato has over the new Traktor Scratch is simplicity of the layout and stability. So you and Buddy Love can keep pillow biting and get off of Serato nuts

^^^^^ wow... internet gangstaaaa

yep thats me.. kinda like you being the internet fag. Have you ever used traktor Scratch pro? dont think so.

^^^^never had the need to!!! SL has not given me a reason to try other programs! Please oh please Mr Gangstaaaaaa tell us how great traktor is again!!

Oh boy, I love internet dick-size-comparison contests!

[makes popcorn]

LOL Strom. He's the one trying to pick the fight, I just told him he shouldnt hate on Traktor Scratch without even trying it. If he did try it, he'd would really like how much better Traktor feels compared to serato. It the equivalent of saying, I never fucked Masterminds mother, but I already know that her pussy is loose and smelly. She just might have the bomb pussy, or she might not, but I will not comment about it untill I try it out.

wow.... just warning you......

ok internet tough guy, warn me again.

wow..... you the gangstaaa troll up in here drooping MOM bombs!!!!

I was just making an analogy, youre the one that had nothing productive to say other than "gay comment" when i said I feel that Traktor is a superior product. Basically, dont talk shit if you cant handle it either.

blah...
oh btw yes i do have tractor scratch pro..

so blah agian

oh look........... this is what happens after you use traktor metropolitician.blogs.com

^^^^^^^the trolls are out!!!

Im thru with you boy, I'll just say it one more time that I do not disagree with the article. Serato has many benefits, but the new Traktor Scratch feels more accurate and is nipping at Serato's heels

Traktor Scratch > SL1

as far as sound quality goes, TS > SL1, but SL3 = TS Pro

The screen layout Serato > TS

Accuracy TS > Serato

lol mastermind, you pointed at your own thread and called yourself a troll... Just bc I have something to say that pertains to the topic does not make me a troll. Have you typed ANYTHING that is conducive to this thread other than calling my original post gay. Stop playing yourself boy.

1)serato has NEVER crashed on me at a gig!

2)I have NEVER had someone complain about the sound quality of my music

3)I have NEVER had to pay for an update

4)Go back in to your cave troll and continue to play with under developed software

lol. Now thats a proper educated response boy! Nice job!
Im an SSL and TS user and Serato has never crashed on me, but neither has Traktor Scratch. Your ears probably aren't trained enough to hear how much better TS sounds compared to Serato or you don't play on good sound systems. I haven paid for a TS update yet, so I dont know what youre talking about. But very nice response. You would have been much better off with that instead of calling me a troll or gay bc I disagree with you.

by the way ....... I ain't a BOY. Now that's crossing lines

im a serato fan BOOOOOYIE

ok peeps lets chill..

Jackmaster if you are happy w/ traktor fine..so be it
me if im happy w/ ScratchLIVE fine...so be it
mastermine if your happy with ScratchLIVE fine..so be it

Fuck!!!

I've always wanted to try Traktor just to compare it to SSL..

but they never have it on the floor at guitar center or my local record shop..all they push are the rane/serato items

im chill

[sarcasm] Wonder why???[/sarcasm]

i like to add gas to the fiya

traktor licks that small patch between my balls and anus

serato cures world hunger and can seperate the red sea

end of discussion

lol, thats why youre also a mash-up dj. ;)

I own both products but I prefer SSL. I accept Tracktor is more advanced & just as stable SSL.

I love the SSL screen layout & it's so much more user friendly than Tracktor.
For example I had SSL up & running in an hour but it took more than half a day with Traktor & lots of help from the native-instruments forum.

Truth is Traktor is the industry standard. I see many top EDM DJ's using Traktor. I have yet to see a Hip-Hop live dj on Tracktor & exactly the opposite for SSL.

exactly sl1200. you said everything.
i ve tried both, i tried to test/switch because of the 4 decks/effects and return back to serato because not only i am used but simply because i love it.
i tested the sound of both in studio and you can t compare them . sl3 a tspro have a totally different sound, both are very good , but i prefer sl3. but we can t say 1 is good and the other is bad. i am a Ableton live user too and i am waiting for the partnership.
but what i do really know is that hip hop djs are totally serato and edm djs in europe are traktor, specially due to tecnho/ minimal rise and due to richie watkins traktor s setup and amazing dj sets with 4 tracks playing, layers, effects etc. that s a different discussion about the way / what a dj is.. but for me as an house / techouse dj serato is killer. i just miss some effects sometime (which i use with an external sound card routing serato through ableton live) and a 3rd deck for some beats to make a stronger layer behind some tracks. and this is something i am waiting for the partnership with ableton.
so.. you just have to feel comfortable playing, and i am much mure with serato.

GUYS - STOP THE B.S. HERE. Play nice please.

About the article / award........... hogwash.

both sides have their pluses and minuses imo. it's a matter of what fits you best. personally, until serato does me wrong, I'll give my love so SL. If it isn't broke and it just get better, no need to try to fix it.

dj kraze, and dj klever- yes I'm sure it's an endorsement, just saying

benny b,fat boy slim are edm Dj's and they use serato

if you mean dj dvs software, then that is bullshit my friend.

what is tracktor?

Do you guys really see a disconnect between hip hop dj's and "edm" dj's?

I'm curious cause I like hip hop but I'm not a hip hop dj. I've been playing "EDM" for over a decade and I'm digging my Scratch Live and I see more of my fellow dj's using it over traktor, but then again, if someone I knew was using that, they would get an earful.

So, Do you guys really see a disconnect between hip hop dj's and "edm" dj's?

I don't. It's all about preference.

I see more and more DJs with SSl these days though. Most recently noticed Zinc & Toddla T..

+1

I surely see a disconnect between hip hop DJ's and "EDM" DJ's. We're better. :P

Somebody upthread said TS is by far more widely-used throughout the world. I was under the impression it was the other way around...I've seen SSL in touring DJ technical riders, and I've even recently heard radio ads where they say "DJ XYZ on the Seratos", but never with TS. Am I mistaken on this? Anybody have hard figures either way?

I haven't spent much time with TS -- I couldn't figure out the interface on it in like 2001/2002 so I never really gave it a second look. I'm sure it's great at any rate, certainly if you want a lot of whiz-bang features. Personally I just use SSL as a library replacement, so it's moot for me. If SSL had ever failed me I'd probably give it a second look but it hasn't, not once.

rs

Ive never seen Traktor on TV during a performance. I see SSL every time i see a DJ on TV.

i think of it like this:

Serato = Nike
Traktor = Rebok

To those that say SSL never crashes, is BS. I owned SSL since 2005 and it has crashed on me number of times. Am I butt hurt about it? Nope! Why? Because I know it's bound to happen any day. That's why I'm always prepared for those moments.

As a matter of fact, the first time Serato crashed on me was in front of 1500 people at Spundae in Hollywood. The crowd booed but it didn't bother me at all. Lucky for me I was prepared and I had back up CD's. I didn't even bother troubleshooting Serato, I just jumped back in the mix with regular CD's. It turned out to be one hell of a fun night. FYI, Spundae used to be one of LA's biggest EDM nights. They are no longer in LA.

I always thought that Serato was the preferred choice of the Hip-Hop/Scratch DJ?...I thought that Serato had better a better setup for latency and sound issues while scratching...is that still the case..If so then I could understand Traktor winning an award because most of the votes at these awards come from edm djs/fans, am I wrong?....I did see DJ Craze & DJ Klevers Traktor video and thought it was average...it just didnt sound too great and the scratching seemed mis-timed and REALLY digital sounding, seriously, check it out... www.youtube.com view

Maybe Traktor has improved, Im not sure but I think its a case of which one you settled with first because by the sound of it, they are both great products but for me, I bought SSL because of the sheer amount of Hip-Hop/Scratch DJ's using it and I have never had a need to purchase something else...I think its a bit silly to defend something to the death just for the sake of it but some people also need to realise that a lot of us SSL users adopt the if it aint broke-dont fix it stance..but if people are happy with Traktor then happy days..and piss off to the Traktor forums hahaha, only kidding :-)

let me guess you were using a pc...


next time....

buy a mac!
( runs and hides before the pc fan boys chime in)

If Traktor is the one that has all the bells and whistles, Ima skip it. I dont need all that as 2 turntables and a mic is my platform and will stick with that.

LMAO... Nope... I have never owned a PC. I've been a Mac guy ever since my first Umax back in the mid 90's. lol

i don't know about you but the only time scratchlive( serato as most of us call it) only crashes on me is when am beta testing new versions and once the version am testing goes final. i have no more problems until the next beta starts.

serato till i die enough say!

bwahaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ooooooooooooooooooops misquote...lol

i don't know about you but the only time scratchlive( serato as most of us call it) only crashes on me is when am beta testing new versions and once the version am testing goes final. i have no more problems until the next beta starts.

serato till i die enough say!

I actually had a beta that was more stable than the final release. I think it was 1.9. The beta was really stable on me, and the final release wouldn't even launch.

If you remember 1.8.4 there was a lot of instability. Lots of people had problems with it. Up to this date, I have a problem with 1.9.1 & 1.9.2 where if I'm doing a video set, I minimize/hide ScratchLive to go to my desktop, it will either get stuck or dissapear and won't come back. If it does come back, the desktop menus will get stuck over ScratchLive.

Crashes happen. Trust me. Just because you never had them, don't mean they don't. I'm pretty tech savvy and I can tell you Serato has improved A LOT since I first started using it back in 2005. It's more stable than it's ever been. And even though crashes are less frequent, I have seen them happen.

My view is that because I have personally never had a crash, THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION is that the software HAS NEVER, and WILL NEVER crash, not for ANYONE. EVER.

rs

Oh, also, let us not forget a sentiment echoed on this board countless times: Macs are perfection incarnate, and no one ever has trouble with them ever ever ever ever ever.

+1 I owned Serato first and just made the switch to Traktor. SSL is a lot more straight forward and less cluttered. I never had a problem with either but, based on what I read on both forums, SSL is definitely more stable. While most discussions here are just regular every day talk, Traktors forums are filled with all sorts or issues users are having. Seems newer updates contribute to more issues as well. All in all, to each his own....

i've seen more EDM djs on serato than I've seen hiphop guys on Traktor.

to be honest, the best comparison I've heard is that Serato is pretty much the Technics of DVS - doesn't have the fancy features as the rest (and some might say that it's actually lacking in features it should have) but it's time-tested, and the accepted industry standard for a DVS.

Trakor is probably more like a Vestax or something - considered quality by the users and has many more features, bells and whistles available, but isn't approaching serato in terms of general acceptance in the performing DJ's world (actual, perceived, or otherwise).

I also find that a lot of the guys that champion Traktor rarely even use it as a DVS anymore (see Jeff Mills) but rather go that route when they want to switch to an all-controller style of DJing.

Anyway, I'm very happy with Serato on many levels (especially layout and library management) and I haven't used Traktor Scratch before (i have used an older version of traktor and found it too complicated) but I'm interested in just trying it out just to see what it has to offer...

More like...Serato is the Technics of DVS, and Traktor is the Pioneer CDJ.

I, of course, have never owned Traktor, or a pair of CDJs...I've used both, and plan on sticking with Serato and my 1200s.

Anytime I travel anywhere outside of the US, however, when people see my laptop they immediately ask if I'm using Traktor. Always...without fail.

Now, that I agree!

I sold my TS back in March for 2 reasons

see....

scratchlive.net

1. I'm a DJ, not a freaking scientist. Program was just too damn complicated for me.

2. no Video plugin.

my 2 cents

i tried both traktor failed tried serato and it worked

also serato updates free

All i know is that its an industry standard, like the Techs, no need to out source when it works 99.9 % of the time. nothing is fail proof just gotta be ready for thoes momentsyou gotta be one step ahead of the game.

traktor is has free updates too. just go download it off a tracker somewhere...
i really don't care what traktor does. i'm faithful to my 57.

yea, the other big thing is i'd rather be playing off a rane mixer than say a Korg...

Amen! on that
plus customer support on rane and serato products is 150%

Serato = Adidas
Traktor = Adiods (chinese low cost replica)

I'm edm dj and i'm using serato

I'd imagine that if those figures were true that they're leaning more towards the ''bedroom'' dj sales vs working dj sales. Any serious/working club dj I know or have seen has Serato. There maybe thousands of kids in my town using Traktor or some other type of software but at the end of the day when I'm in a club I see Serato. I'm reguarly approached by people who say what programme do you use? I use *insert other DVS*. That's nice but I'm here week in week out and so are you. The people who are serious about their work use proffessional eequipment.

I´v been playing with serato every sense the sl1 came, and i thought then that it was the best thing ever. Simple layout, stable, but i was never happy with the soundquality. TS came along and audio 8, and i was at my friends house who just got it, and i was blown away by the sound quality. Now, Rane came up with the SL3 soundcard, and what they do next is beyond my understanding. They overpriced it so hard that more and more DJ´s ( and this is the fact ) are switching from Serato to TS. Why ? Well, i pay 600 USD for a soundcard that has 4 ins and 4 outs, sounds way much better then any other ( including sl3 ). I loved Serato so much, and it was hard for me to switch, but taking 300 USD for an upgrade from Sl1 to SL3 is just greed. Additional AUX chanell, USB 2.0 ( all the things that have been standard with TS for years ) and improved sound quality ( wich stiil is nowhere near the sound quality of TS ). I say, thank you for the music, but i am moving to bigger and better. And yes, i am the EDM DJ, and i use Ableton and TS together, and unless your partnership with Ableton includes using the efx from ableton and adding some other features from ableton into Serato, 300 USD for an upgrade, will just get you in the position where you´ll lose more and more costumers. Wish you nothing but the best in future, but greed have never been good thing....

The only USEFUL addition to Serato Scratch Live,
besides the Ableton addition, would be a tighter control signal.

Sometimes when I'm doubling/juggling/backspinning with two records,
there is a noticable sticker drift. Traktor is tighter in this sense,
but I don't need a million effects and all that. If you suck and can't play records,
effects won't save you.

Serato's layout is cleaner, and it is easier to mix two records quickly together,
even if you haven't heard them before.

But Serato-folks, a tighter signal. Thanks.

+1x10^1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Is there any clubs that have a tracktor set-up? I've never seen one. What happens when you need to switch out dj's?

Yes, there's plenty. Avalon in Hollywood has it. And I believe Vanguard has it too. Depending on the DJ's rider they'll set it up.


Same thing as Serato. Nothing's different. Have you ever swapped Serato boxes in between DJ's? Or have you showed up to a club that has no box and had to install it while the other DJ is playing? I've done it a bunch of times. It's the same thing with Traktor.

well, that's all needed to hear.
thanks for closing the deal for me.

yep, those are the 3 overriding basic functionality things that make a professional app, without those you have nothing. if you are willing to sacrifice stability over features and you're a professional dj then you really aren't that professional at all. traktor is bedroom/studio period.

LOL :P

I got caught off guard when, after getting picked up from gig, my ride's friend said "what do you play on? Traktor?" I mean, just like I've never seen CDJs in a music video or heard a rapper say "DJ so and so cutting it up on the 1000s" I didn't think Traktor had caught on with the public.

Same old BS arguments on the forum again.


Provolone vs Mozzarella?

I don't know my cheeses as well as I thought I did so Mozzarella.

In the trade it is generally accepted that in the US, Scratch Live dominates because Hip Hop is the main music style for DJs, thus DVS systems are more prevalent. In Europe however, EDM is more popular and Traktor is a preferred route for the more controller based market.

This is purely anecdotal and I have no actual stats or usage figures to back it up. But on the face of it, it seems to add up.

Awards suck and are largely meaningless. Except when you win of course, and suddenly they take on a huge amount of importance.

this is the truth, for the most part
that being said I use serato, never had a crash

ummmm....... ME HUNGRY i think i want a chicken parm sandwich

MOZZARELLA baby....no provolone NO PROVOLONE

nooooooo PVOVOLONE!!!!!!!!!

On Pizza
1) Mozzarella
2) Provolone


On Sandwiches
1) Swiss
2) Provolone
3) Mozzarella

For Pizza its Mozzarella all the way. Sandwiches are a different story.

how about if you fold 2 slices of pizza over one another .......hummm

than you have a pizza sandwich

hummmmmm..........

Gotta go w/ mozzarella in that situation....

Technically it is a sandwich, but its still pizza in essence.

I'm going to see what Provolone is at my local supermarket. It sounds like foot cream.

all this talk about cheese is getting me constapatedd

has anyone ever had kimchi pizza in Korea Town? Sounds nasty, but actually tasted awesome!

sex is like pizza, when it's bad it's still pretty good.

haha! how did this go from Serato vs Traktor - to - pizza and where to get it?! lol!!

pizza um good But put a ring of cheese in the crust & .....JACKPOT......

if it's a ring of Provolone than SUPER JACKPOT

fresh mozzarella ftw.

also muenster.

smoked gouda yo

hey hey .......we were talking about provolone & mozzarela where are all these fancy cheeses comin from........

damm im really hungry i havent eaten any lunch

A good NY style Pizza place opened up around the corner from Serato the other day.

www.sals.co.nz

Actually, it's almost lunch time here now.....

come on new york style pizza in new zealand

ups me a slice and i'll tell you if it's good

****no comment****

:-D

lol - who said that? hahahaha

Because arguing about DVS systems is as benign as picking between two types of cheese that pretty similar.

Don't eat there!!! They refuse to put pictures of the brothers up on the wall!!

BOYCOTT SAL'S!!!!!

it's that that place from Do The Right Thing??

BOYCOTT sal's!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.ledopizza.com

lombardi's pizza, off of mott and spring. fughedaboutit!
best pie in town.

Uno's in chi town...... fughedaboutit!

Chicago style deepdish................ guess where that came from........ fughedaboutit!

A lincoln better than a cadillac.......... fughedaboutit!

Ain't no comparison. Cadillac got more acceleration, more power, more— better handling, better looking, more legroom for your legs, more power --

Cadillac.....all day baby did you see the new cts sport wagon HOT!!! and can fit your dj gear.

www.cadillac.com

Very true - Lol

you already said more power........

lulz. Aces on the reference \m/

I'm about to peep that new cadillac too.

My pinto beats your cadillac.

and my pinto beans are better on gas than your cadillac.

WOW!!! Just WOW!!!

L&B's Spumoni Gardens on 86th street in Brooklyn is better.

pinto beans are Good...!!!!!!

a side of white rise..YUMMMMMM

I agree with this summation.

Well said.

I just threw up a little thinking about a kimchi pizza.

im in chi town and there's an uno's down the street from my hotel. gonna try it.

o and serato fo life!

DJ Tech Awards 2009

Single Multiformat Format Player.

(This Shizzz is total bs...)

www.youtube.com view

*Native serato support for tje 3700 in january :)

bwahaha they have the crowd voting cause zadiela can't vote for pioneer without looking like a complete pioneer shill (even though everyone knows he is).

looks like a bit of a shit show...

so guys... i have both the audio8 and the sl1 .... the traktor thing is used here by most of the other djs in town so that i'm forced to use it from time to time

BUT the most import thing is the shitty instalation and registration process you have to go through with the traktor thing ... with SSL you simple download the software plug a box in and your rdy to go ....

you can be much more spontaneous with SSL ...

I've tried Traktor once. All I have to say is Traktor is epic fail when it comes to things you need on the fly. Serato wins IMO.

This is some pretty pathetic self validation issues on so many levels.
I'm embarrassed for them.

Blah...

DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Single Multi-Format Player
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Digital Vinyl System
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - DJ Software
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Digital USB/FireWire Mixer
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Ultimate Club Mixer
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Compact DJ Midi Controller
www.youtube.com view


DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Most Innovative DJ Product
www.youtube.com view

^ Wow! Look at all the self masturbatory reviews DJ gear, like the shit needs to have an award to start with. It looks like almost all of the panel are one step from autofellatio, 'cause they are that fuckin' cool.

what happened to the consumers votes???
plus dont see any hip hop, tablist djs on the panel???

fuck that!!!

Exactly. That was the most biased and narrowest demographic panel of judges i have ever seen.

Just like some people like 1200s and some like CDJs, same thing with Traktor. Some like it, while others like SSL.

As for me, I like 1200s and CDJs, as well as SSL. Who cares about Traktor.

Wait, my post didn't go anywhere, did it... oh wellz.

Actually, that's quite unfair. James is a very fair and open minded guy. Having judged with him on a previous DJ Mag awards (not a public one mind), he was very carefully weighing up the pros and cons of all gear. And in several product groups voted against Pioneer. And at this year's show, he made some extremely balanced decisions - even voting against products he uses.


Actually it's very wide for the DJ Mag market, which is dominated by EDM. In Europe and especially the UK, Hip Hop and turntablism is a very long way down the list in terms of popularity. The one I judged on 3 years ago did have a wider range of DJs, but times have changed and DJ Mag - like any other business - has to focus on their core audience. If this had been the Remix Mag awards, the results would have been very different.

I really wouldn't get worked up about the awards - it's only opinion after all and not fact. Personal preference doesn't make something true. However, from a product marketing perspective, if an incredibly capable product like the Denon DN-S3700 can put a "best CD deck" sticker on the ads then it's all good. I despise the sheep mentality where "industry standard" means "best". It doesn't at all - it is entirely dependent on the user and their requirements. If more minds can be opened to look at different products and give them some credibility then that's a good thing in my book.

Doesn't this






Contradict this?




Anyway, I don't pay attention to this crap.... just use what best works for me and keep it moving.

Serato is the only software that gives me peace of mind, I been using it since it came out. I done over 1000 gigs already with SL with not a single crash or audio drop.

I don't care about extras all I care is stability.

I tested TS with the same setup I was using with Serato. I had too many problems like Audiodrops, Calibration, Sound problems.... I never took it to a gig I was too scared to use it outside my house.

For me Serato is way better...

I own both and I've used both at live events, TS and SSL are BOTH good products...it really is quite silly to argue which one is better......its actually good that there are companies competing with one another....otherwise we would be just left with version 1.0 ........at the end of the day just use whatever works best for you

Cheers

TS = twans sensuwal

FYI the UK DJ Mag is primarely a House/Dance magazine, but yeah they should of at least had 1 representive from the tablist scene.

Agreed.

traktor = nothankyou!

i'm waiting for the new rane mixer :P

i never used traktor scratch pro. but i have used traktor quite a lot in the past and i did like it ... UNTIL ... i found Serato ScratchLIVE. now i look at the screen shots in those vids and i'm like, man - the GUI is so plain yet so cluttered in traktor & traktor scratch pro. Serato just looks way better & cleaner, before getting into any tech details. Lol

i gotta try that next time im in town.

have you tried two boots pizza off of Ave A & 3rd? now that's some good pie.
dont forget to try the crawfish topping.

www.flickr.com

This happened 3 times this weekend. And no, there was no corrupted files. All my files are analyzed.

This is what Andy W from Serato said...

"I checked out your crash log, Scratch Live was unloading the hardware interface at the time, so unless you had deliberately unplugged it I'd say it's time to check your cables and USB sockets. It's possible however that a massively long USB dropout can also cause Scratch Live to think that the box has been unplugged, did you see any symptoms that might suggest this?"

Now that's scary. The USB cable is the original USB cable that came with the 57. It's also hooked up to the 57 and it's NEVER disconnected as it's a permanently installed at the club.

Now check this one out.

www.flickr.com

Notice the empty space in the middle? Yup, that's where Video SL supposed to be. Video SL went missing during my gig. Had to restart to bring it back to life.

Again, this is what Andy W said about this problem.

"I've seen this once but haven't been able to reproduce it. If you see this again please try to remember what happened beforehand in order to help us reproduce it..."

Serato seemed like they didn't really give a shit about winning anything.
No demoing of new features, ie Livefeed or looproll, SP6
Dudes had questions and Sam and old man McRane were not really ready to give good applications to such features.
33,000 Djs have Serato and you guys couldnt get someone to demo shit like Traktor did?
They brought their video of little Atrak wannabe with his maschine and looproll box doing shit that I have been doing for 6 months with serato.
Bottom line, Traktor wanted it more and won because of proper presentation of their product.
Throwing an SL3 box on the floor is not exactly a demo of the new box guys.
Maybe on the next one you guys will step yer game up!

Maybe they are in the camp of "who gives a shit about awards, we sell more product".

Id be curious to know whos moved more units. Serato or NI?

*steals DJ Woody's song selection"

Alejandra into Belanova. Thanks for the idea, lol

Saying we don't give a shit is a little disturbing. We give a shit.

Chad..... I KNOW that you guys care about the product. there has been plenty of time where i needed help and one of you guys came to the rescue!! but in the video it did seem a lil dry when it came down to a demo of SL

That could be true, we'd like to be 100% all of the time but maybe it was an off day for those guys.

i was using SL for 3 years ! and it was fenomenal experience !
but i got traktor and now it has all stuf for future pleasure that SL is missing now !
i hope you guys know what i mean .

i respect SL , but now traktor who is leading the market ...
as soon you guys realize this, you will move on and maybe try to upgrade SL and make it top DVS again ...

no pain no gain ...

So that explains why every DJ at the Hip-Hop honors was using Scratch Live.

Everyone except chuck chillout...

proudtobefarmers.com
traktor^

www.myvistathemes.com
serato ssl^

reason this thread is still going u like traktor go to native instruments forums beat it
this forum has helped perfect ssl and it will be the best over all the others....wait it is already fbardamu.files.wordpress.com

i run my ssl on a grabage pps 867mhz powerbookg4 with 640mb of ram never had a problem....ever cant complain

One thing to say, NAMM 2009.

err 2010 I mean lol

fail..lol

TS= twat smuggler

people still like reggaeton?

^^thats not reggaeton, it's more like Spanish pop

Not the day to have "off"

Those dudes passed at a chance to represent correctly.
For example:
Serato needs to have a clear and commanding response to the latency question that was asked.
A simple demonstration could have proved why they are the best, because the verbal explanation fell flat.
That conversation was probably the tipping point for some judges.

Next time, Y'all need to demo some real capabilities.

Good and honest input. I like that, thank you.

You could just hire me to travel around the world demoing not only SSL but Video SL as well...being a audio and video remixer, I could create custom audio and video content exclusive for marketing and selling Rane/Serato products...I already have a good relationship with Dean and Mike ;)

Man Cant Wait

Can't wait for what? It already passed.

I was gonna say you've been crossed off the Xmas list, BUT I smell you on this!

+10 for pushing representation!

LOL
I'm sure he meant 2010.

I think I should be added to the list of people to go to, to represent the software.

Because I know what it can do.




Your welcome.

oops...

*You're

I vote for Kool DJ Sheak One to represent SSL.

lol yea i did mean 2010

the DJ journalism industry is seriously bullshit. All the magazines, awards, etc. I don't personally know a single PRO dj who uses Traktor and virtually everyone swears by serato.

fudgegraphics.com

Too bad Traktor didn't spend as much time representing their customers or a lot of us SSl-heads might still be using Traktor. I'll stick with the guys who stay home and make an honest effort to make sure their customers are taken care.

Yes, we're still bitter about Final Scratch and no we won't get over it ...well actually we did when we bought SSL...we just don't intend to forget :)

Called Rane Friday afternoon with a tech question about my 57. Zach answered the phone on the second ring. Answered what I thought was a pretty technical question in under a minute then we shot the shit for three. Good luck getting that kind of support from another company. Rane has been there for me anytime I needed anything. As a consumer my top three list of requirements for technology purchases go like this.

1. Usability
2. Stability
3. Support

which pretty much encapsulates Rane and Scratchlive.

And just so you don't think I'm just some fanboi, I still hate the 57 effects to the point of rarely to never using them when I perform. No product is perfect but Rane/Serato seem to consistently strive to up the ante when it comes to features, stability etc...

Let's have the 57's effects sounds just like Pioneer's EFX machines.
=)

good luck, no offense but theres not enuf buttons;)

Right on. Both Shaun and Zach have helped me so many times. They even went over the EFX on 57 with me and I'll just say that I don't miss hooking up an EFX 500 all the time!

Also for those referring to missing bells and whistles...ScratchLive has VSL.

let's not have them "just"...let's have them "better".....

I must agree that the demonstrations (if they can be called as such) were not good. It looked like they were improvised. Maybe the plans were different and someone got sick or something? I mean I can't understand that Rane or Serato did not take the whole thing seriously. Plus at the BPM show AFAIK they had a few good DJ's with them.

Let's hope it get's better next year.

The video demo of Traktor was kicking, really kicking ass. Rafik showed in a few seconds what could be done with Traktor Scratch Pro - Dopeness on point!

Esp. the "DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - DJ Software" demo. But this also applies to the "DJmag Tech Awards 2009 - Digital Vinyl System" demo. Throwing the SL3 to the floor and then... what... claim that it still works, but not showing that it works. It would had been cool if a DJ had demoed a few features.

Looks like you're off their Xmas list too....

haha!

ho! hoe! haoooooooooooooo!

Man listen...

If they kicked y'all off, I'm on the comeup...so...

Im a long time Serato user and I also own Traktor for just messing with at home... I use SSL for playing out cuz its super reliable...

Sound wise - Traktor takes it. I own a SL1, SL3, and now a Vetax VCI-300 with Itch... take out the boxes and the Audio 8 card... Program vs Program only - it seems the way Traktor deciphers an audio file just makes it stand out. Songs sound so much fuller and nicer.

Serato's customer service and reliable program is what makes it king.

Looks like DJ Craze is back on Serato. Look what hes using at the Roc Raida tribute:

vimeo.com view

Maybe he was using someone elses laptop, and given that there was a TTM57 he decided to his songs on SSL. Doesn't necessary mean that he is back on SSL, he is still being endorsed by NI.

I don't think that a Roc Raida tribute show would be the place to throw a hissy fit and insist on Traktor to please his sponsors. I'm sure even NI would agree in this instance.

I started out on traktor and moved over to serato about a year later. Traktor is a great program, it takes more skills to manually beatmatch in traktor than in serato due to the layout. Serato is good but I feel like I am back to sqaure one of djing but am practicing it religously. I think the key to becoming a good dj is hours and hours of prep work. Am i right?

btw, traktors customer service is fucking shit!

thats the one thing i could not believe about serato, so fast and efficient when you ask a question, even though most of the people are c*nts when you ask a question they give you b/s answers and hassle your balls!

Welcum to the forums. ;)

I don't understand what you mean by it takes more skills to beatmatch in Traktor. Are you saying you rely on looking at the screen?

yes thats exactly what i meant. I can do it by ear, but for reassurance, extra help etc serato is much easier. By using traktor I found that i had to use my ear to find out how to beatmatch. When i jumped on serato the first thing i noticed is that i did not need headphones.

Traktor now has a sync function which takes beatmatching out of teh equation. But the sync is pretty much essential when you are using 4 decks

I think the basics of learning how to mix requires you don't use any visual aids to beat match. As for using four decks, never worked a setup like that but I can imagine it's tough to keep four decks in sync.

Four decks is definately a task to work with, but you can do some pretty wild shit with it. I am a house/electro house dj and I dont need 4 decks to rock a party i am still getting comfortable mixing in general, i found serato is helping me get back to the basics of djing, traktor seemed really advanced, there was alot of stuff you can do especially with the midi mapping aspect. I can see the pro's and con's and right now i am using serato for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it is the industry standard from where I am in toronto, it makes setup and gigging that much easier from my point of view. Secondly, it seems to have taken me back to the basics, no effects all that stuff just solid mixing.. plus its alot of fun to mix on!

Not if you have the skills to do it.

www.youtube.com view - and I know its just 3 decks here.

Sync shmync.
The brain is faster than a computer

Just WOW...

So is that important to you?

dude so many young djs RELY on looking at the screen...

like ive said in previous posts...

give them 2 cdjs, 2 turntables WITHOUT serato, and they couldnt mix betty crocker. and to me that is WACK...and its what defines NEW SCHOOL djs...

Oh yeah.

Bacin in the day DJ Cheese used to use 4 Turntables, arranged all on the left in a large square.

I've said it before if a wavie can look at today's music and mix by looking at the screen alone then fair play to them. I look at today's music and can't make out if it's a kick a snare or a bit of mustard coming up next. Everything is squashed to fuck.

So, that's impressive to you? (Not trying' to be funny)....

I mean, could reading waves become an "Art" in the future?

Awww....man...

Why the fuck do you guys use serato if u bitch about ppl using waveforums.

go back to your vinyl if and stop complaining about the future u old fucks!!

all u guys do is bitch and complain about ppl using the waveforum who the fuck cares knowing how to beatmatch does not alone make u a good dj.. especially now a days, stop bitching u old wrinkly cranky fucks!

Eh... what?

1st. we're talking about waveforms, a wavieforum is somethin different ;)
2nd. guess what, some DJ's really use SSL ... not because of the wavieforms. Yeah.



True. But not knowing how to beatmatch makes you a wavie...form... or forum? Man you got me confused.

Lol minor sarcasm aside have you not noticed how with older tunes you can clearly see what is the bass kick snare etc but as todays music is so over compressed and limited its nearly impossible to tell what is happening just by looking at the wav files?

NAVE C what you are arguing is pure skill, and the the fact that u lack it.

and its waveforms...where the fuck did u people learn how to read read what what suckitquickly.

What Im trying to say is simply this...IF you cant close your eyes and acutally feel the music, mix the music and be one with the music...then wtf are you djing for? Oh I forgot your a youngin...your prob djing for free drinks, popularity and whores.

Dizzamn! This NEW guy doesn't understand how we talk to each other. It's sorta like hate/love for one another. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM! We complain to each other. That's what we do. We are freakin' damn Serato family! Here are our b/s cunt responses right now. We "old" f#$ks do it how the music says to do it. Nothing else. Oh yeah, I do it "oldschool" and I'm 25. I'm such an old f#$%! By the way iTunes chooses songs for me and crossfades them. I guess iTunes is a DJ too. Lol. Wait there's an iTunes DJ option. OH NOOOOooooooo! (*sarcasm*)

We help each other here. But it usually is criticism to help you. If it can't handle it, don't talk about it.

yup i'd guess that most people that dj on tractor actually beatmatch by ear, unlike most heads on serato.

how am I lacking skill lol. I can beatmatch how ever the fuck I want. I can of manually but can achieve it 10x faster. If I lack such skill how have I achieved to spin at some of Toronto's hottest clubs throughout the past year.

Yeah, ryte.

So... are we talking about wavieforms or not?

Whatever no point in arguing. I'm just saying u Who cares if u use waveforms to help or even to improve ur set. I have seen ppl use a laptop and mixer destroy a dancefloor. whatever u use along as u kill it then people should respect that.

No respect to someone who is not able to rock a set without the help of auto[insert whatever].

lol

So you're basing your "skill" on the importance of beatmatching 10 times faster? What about bars? The way the mix should be layed out? Getting the keys so the mix can sound harmonic?... As I read your comment, it seems to me you lack some "skills". Maybe you should post a mix up and we'll peep it out? Audio aids are much better than trying to type it here LOL

go live!! i wanna see & hear!! :)
www.stickam.com

I djed at Toronto's Lime Light and Guv back in 98-99...when you were prob still in diapers.

ahhhhhh 98-99 good times!

rememeber the bottom floor of lime light, with the little bridge deal that the chicks used to dance on? they used to have 2 guys walkin around with VHS camcorders doing a live feed to the tvs showing the chicks shakin their asses haha

did you just say "VHS" this young bucks have NO idea about that!!

I prob danced with NAVE C's mom or maybe she was one of the ones that used to hook me in the booth? :)

^^^^^LMFAO

I really don't pay that much attention to waveforms like that....lol.

Lol I dj like this.

www.scientificamerican.com

I'll post a mix shortly.

viewmorepics.myspace.com

traktor does have better bass in a big sound system and we proved it at this show.... but thats the sl1... sl3 is gunna fix that... when i buy it next month... but serato is the illest... any program that has auto sync is wack if u ask me... SERATO 4 LYFE!

NO THEY JUST HIT THE SYNC BUTTON

Lets keep it civil guys, please ;)

man i stopped tracking this at the wrong time lol...

www.youtube.com view

www.youtube.com view

you'll note he's on serato and vinyl - no auto-mixing involved.

Like engineering or like War?

Nice.

This is too funny...old heads complain about too many features and the new heads complain because there aren't enough features to make it even easier.

Anybody want to tell a story about how back in the day they had to go to and from a gig through 2 feet of snow up hill both ways and they had to pull all of their gear and crates of vinyl on a sled?

im old school but & i dont mind, actually i want more features.. :)

No, the 'old school' just like stability.

let me re-phrase
im old school & i dont mind, actually i want more features w/ stability.. :)

lol

Funny thing is: This post is the initializer of its content.
Everything below is the perfect proove of the statement.

Best ways to start flaming here:

3. Try to defeat visual beatmaching
2. Ask for release dates of updates
1. Ask content that is stated in the manual.

...

too lazy to post the other 200 possible reasons.

Visual Beatmatching kicks the heiny! How do you do it?
Also, if this visual thing is in an update, when is that update released?
Oh, and how do i hook up my sl1 to let me play regular vinyl as well as control records?

Thanks, Im new :)

Whenever I play my SL records I only hear "beeeeep"! What´s wrong?
Should I send my box to Rane?

Nah, send it to me, I'm cheap.

its fucking abysmal, and their mods on their forums are a bunch of proper cretins. you just need to read a selection of their thread titles to realise what a shambles of a product traktor is.

Has NAVE C posted a mix yet?

lol

People should find out who they are actually talking to on these forums before typing.

I guess not. lol

Nope. I was wondering the same thing. Lol

Beeeeeeeeeeeeep! (15min long) WTF?! :-P J/K!

Posting it right now relax

people do have other things to do on the weekend than bang out a mix ;)

gotcha. just curious and interested. i love listening to other's mixes. i listen to all of them while i clean the house. i think i downloaded 6 new ones from the "post your mix here" thread. went through 2 of them already.

great mine will be up shortly, its taking a while to upload

says 2 hours lol be patient

cool. i'll check it out after i get home. got a gig tonight. maybe (if i remember after some beers) i'll record a small one myself.

Ill check it when I get home aswell.... work wont let me download stuff.

www.mediafire.com

soundcloud.com

let me know what you think

^^^^ is this on Traktor or ScratchLIVE?

Bah, you kids and your hands, we used to scratch with our stumps before EVERYONE just had to have a pair of hands...and not even 1 hand. Two each! You kids will never learn.

Hey Nave, was that mix done on Traktor or ScratchLIVE?

Traktor

alot of 4 decks going there

ill post a serato mix soon, just having trouble recording a good sounding mix,

i need a good recording program

do have the SL1/SL3/TTM 57SL?

i thought so. just curious. were you using the auto sync/beat sync while doing the 4 decks? or was it all by ear?

I have sl1. Auto sync sometimes. It varies by song.

gotcha. let me know when you post a serato mix

auto beat sync is lametastic...

I wanna dip my balls in it

If serato had 4 decks I wouldn't come close to thinking about traktor. But the 4 deck option is sounding really sweet as I find a lot of places in my house music where I could be doing additional layering.

They don't need the crap traktor effects and autosync and all those guaranteed to bug out features, just more deck support. I mean, if my mixer can handle it, I don't think adding 2 decks is any "less authentic" or "wavie" than just 2.

From the faq section:

Where's the third virtual deck for the SL 3? When can we expect a third virtual deck for the SL 3?

In development. Multi deck control has always been on our road map and once our solution is solid, it will be added to a future version of Scratch Live.

damn. wish i had an sl3. I trust the serato guys a lot more with their performance. Just seeing a "Most embarrasing time your traktor has crashed live" thread on the NI forums is scary enough.

A third deck would be the only reason for me to upgrade to their new box.

I just checked the thread you refered to and it cracked me up.
Especially that arrogant stupid "native girl" who never had a crash in five years.

extra deck or decks would be cool. but in a club residency, i don't see the utilization of it every show. i do quick mixes along with a little longer mixes. and with the sampler, you do have plenty to mix with (as long as you have a midi controller). 4 decks at the same time. you start having extra long mixes. but for one off shows ---> extra deck or decks would be dope.

Why is it arrogant? Cuz she never had a crash? I know plenty of people who use Traktor, Virtual DJ, & Serato and never had a crash. On the flipside, I know plenty of people who had plenty of crashes, and that includes me. I used Final Scratch before there was Serato and it never crashed on me. I stopped using it for other reasons.

Traktor, Serato, Virtual DJ, they'e all software. No software is 100% Crash proof. They will all crash eventually. Just wait til it happens to you, I'll meet you on the Help section! lol

Oh, BTW, she is really not arrogant. There are some mods where the label would fit, but not her, IMHO.

why is everyone tryin to get laid? HA HA

She's a cool guy. Yeah.

soon-2-be-ex-Tracktoruser

she isn't arragont, a little bit stupid, but more over incredibly unprofessional - for a mod representing NI as a company she's had some right gaffs over the years. like i said before (most of) their mods as a collective are a bunch of idots.

seriously what mods would actively participate in a thread discussing how unstable their product is!!

*arrogant

I tried to use Traktor back in the day but like many others didn't fully "get it". What I mean by that is I thought it was over complicated for what I needed to do.

I am not a big NI fan in general; I have had issues with some of their software. The only product I use from them is Battery 3 because I am familiar with it and it does what I need.

I have been using Serato for a few years now and haven't had any issues, most of the guys/gals I know here in Chicago and around the world use Serato. To this day I have never seen a DJ use Traktor in the club and I have been in a lot of clubs.

The thing I like about SSL is its reliable, solid, and straight forward.

When people say Traktor has better audio then Serato what are people referring to?
48/24 vs. 44.1/16, dynamic range, or maybe internal hardware components?







NAVE C, Not to be mean but I understand why you use your eyes when you DJ, I listened to a couple minutes of your Soundcloud mix and I am deaf. That sh*t is cooked, my ears would fire me...

P.S. you forgot the mash.

i only see house DJ's use traktor, Hip-Hop DJ's usually on serato.......

of course im gonna say serato all the way, Every Club i DJ'd in NYC usually already has a Serato hookup, or Rane Mixer!!! but maybe thats just me!!

not trying to say anything about house dj's but high bpm's are easy to mix on traktor because of the bmp automation, lol

holler!

you know why gay dj mag tech whatever gave traktor the best cause of autostink.. traktor is for sucka djs.

I tried using the beatgridding feature for synching and didn't like it very much... But I didn't really give it a chance either. I have been using the third deck in serato though and can see how auto sync would be nice especially in conjunction with the bridge. I'm finding that keeping everything in time takes more time to get everything locked up and the mixing has to be a lot tighter as well. What I've been doing with serato is beatmixing to a master tempo track and recording it in Serato by itself at the new tempo. That way the three tracks will mix together perfectly if the pitch settings are all exact on the turntables. I'm sure this workaround is nothing new, but it works.

www.native-instruments.com



+1

I actually downloaded the demo of Traktor this weekend to see what the fuss was all about. I haven't been able to get it to work yet. I think the demo is only good for 20 days and i have the feeling I might not get around to using it before then.

I'm not yet, if ever a master Dj. I've been playing for about three years ( I do play alot though). When I started out, I asked my friend, who's a big Serato supporter to pick me up Serato as he was stateside. The shop was out so he picked me up Traktor instead. For me, Traktor has been rock solid. I know serato is as well & if I had Serato, I'm sure I would love it. I don't really have any preconceived predjudices & as long as I can play, mix & scratch, I'm pretty happy. Last night, we had a guest Dj at very small club in the Virgin islands where I spin. He brought his cdj's & Serato Itch & plugged into my speakers & we alternated sets with me on Traktor. The one difference I heard was that my sound was distictly warmer & fuller. Possibly my mixer has better components, but we were using the same speakers, his tracks were quality so I suspect that maybe Traktor's soundcard is just better. Thoughts?

They were not even nominated in the category with the best dj midi controller (not sure about the exact name for the category). It was ruled by Serato... 3 times nominated: Xone DX, VCI300, and V7/NS7 I think.

Oh and Rane/Serato won the award for best club mixer - Rane Sixty-Eight. ;)

And congrats to NI for winning the best DVS award - they had an entertaining show. DJ Shiftee was killing it.

im old school with 1.9.2

Yup, way better than the lame presentation Rane/Serato had to offer.

Did you see the presentation from Rane/Serato?

was it the one where sam throws the sl3 on the ground?

Do you mean this one, Mojo?

Exactly.

That was last year.

yep.....that was a fail

My comment was about this years show. Shiftee and his partner had an entertaining show.

i have not seen this years. nik do you have a link?

I havnet seen any links... i saw it live at the BPM show in Birmingham ;)

Nice! Lucky dog!!!!!

Ups ... I better shut up.

frick I have all DVS program and all their interface
Serato and Traktor is always and always will be neck to neck
serato has free updates and there software is free
Plus great no awsome sound and best interface

Traktor in the other hand traktor has one of the best time code vinyl and CD
and audio interface can do midi in and out

mixvibe come in third
because on their CD

VDJ fourth because of there low cost software and very basic for bigger dj's

i've tested alot of dvs
Serato and traktor too me will always be neck to neck

I think most new djs that are looking for a dvs would buy traktor nowadays.
Its cheaper and you can do pretty much everything in Traktor that you can't do in Serato. If you google Serato vs Traktor you will se 90% leaning towards traktor, pluss the comparison by qbert that doesn't help. The other day I Tried to to see what was happening at the NI internett page, but it was down because of overload. There are delivery delays worldwide for the S4 controller because they are out of stock.
If I where a new dj I can find few reasons for not chosing Traktor over Serato.

-It's cheaper
-Got more functions more midi friendly
-Better soundcard hardware specifications
-Percieved as better sound and all over tighter timecode
-Just as stable as Serato

This can be discussed but this is the main things that you will se if you google Serato vs Traktor or best dvs or whatever.

As for me. I'm happy with Serato. It does what I want very well, and I love the interface. But i would deffently love to see Serato steal some of the features from Traktor.

Whats the difference between traktor scratch pro and tracktor scratch duo??

TSD = only 2 deck with cheaper sound card
TSP = 4 deck plus awsome soundcard

Both have the same AD/DA converters AFAIK, so there should not be a difference between TSD and TSP soundquality wise.

NI has a good marketing team. S4 not being available does not mean a lot. Who knows how big the initial batch was. We can only assume.

TSD also has less effects and features compared to Pro.

OK I just found this thread and I just have to add my two cents. First let me say as a Digital DJ you should be familiar with both pieces of software (and Abelton too if you are producing). I just got a brand spanking new Denon DN-MC6000 and I love it. It comes with VDJ in the states but Traktor in Europe. I own Traktor Pro so I am using that over VDJ. After roughly 48 hours I have to say that honestly there is something less fun about using Traktor in my honest opinion. That being said it's cool that I have the option to use it with the hardware I want. However if I had my hearts desire I would be using this amazing piece of kit with ITCH. Maybe the S4 version of Traktor will be more fun to use when it is released next year but as of right now The Traktor layout just is way too busy and just well not fun to look at. I find that as I am working out a set I have really been wishing I was on SSL.

The other kind of annoying thing is the 2 computer limit of Traktor is a real pain. iI have SSl loaded on a number of machines and use the offline player everywhere to mark up my tracks. With Traktor I had to be very contemplative where I would install the software.

I am glad Traktor is around to support the hardware that Serato doesn't but my Traktor setups will not be my main setups.

Traktor is better for n00bs. it syncs pitch of tracks, there is a visualilzation on the waveform of bars, phrases and beats, which makes beatcounting unnecessary and it seems as if native instruments is targeting amateur midi control djs by having variations on the same software that are cheaper and lacking in functionality (i.e. duo v. pro. v scratch pro etc.)

In terms of interface, serato kills it with their virtual decs and colour-coded waveforms. The only leg up traktor has on serato is that their soundcards (audio 6 vs Sl2 or audio 10 vs sl4) are cheaper when not bundled with their software. in any case, one who does not have the capital to invest in serato can always find a pirated tspro.

If you have the money BUY A RANE BOX AND ROCK SSL

Traktor seems to dominate clubs in Europe what is the ratio of clubs using Serato over Traktor here in North America?

nothing like fanboys to keep a 2 year old thread going,

use what works for you and don't be so concerned what the others are rockin,

and anyone bashing traktor havent used it as its just as stable and realiable as serato just differant look and that, and any program is only as stable as the machine running it, also you do realise that traktor aslways had better sound quality in the sl1 days but i guess you overlooked that for coloured waveforms

I've used serato for around 2 years now and have no problems with it (apart from latency, but that's a problem with my machine). I did try a numark/traktor mixing 'desk' for the first time the other day and although it wasn't vinyl controlled, gave me a feel for the interface which I really couldn't get on with.

Colour coded wave forms are important for determining the start of a new phrase or bar. I should mention that TS 2.1 now has hi-res colour-coded wave forms that look quite nice.

However, SSL's superior library management gives it the edge up over Traktor. Being able to import your iTunes library (which I keep compulsively organized) and the crate feature are key when you need to load tracks on the fly.

On the other hand, when I imported my music folder into the Traktor library all of the artists, track names and albums were skewed.

agreed, traktor is great, but the library management is poor. hate it also how the playlist are all auto listed in alphabetical order! stupid.

Traktor does have a "snap" and "quantize" feature so the cue points sync to the beats.