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Can't get Pro Tools 8 to record my mixes what am i doing wrong?

Minh 6:49 PM - 11 March, 2009
I just purchased a Mbox2 Mini to record my mixes. I use Serato, and was told that I was able to record my mixes if I purchased the box and used protools. What I did was have the outputs of my mixer go into the inputs of the box, and etc. Everything is set up properly. When I go into Pro Tools, I select "New Track", Stereo, etc. I see the Audio1 Track. When I press the red record button I see the sound from my music playing from serato (the audio bars ) it doesn't hit red btw. my problem is I can't get protools to record it into a wave form. I press play (spacebar) and shift+r (figuring out what to do) and i just can't get it to record what am i doing wrong? I've searched on the forums and its not getting me an answer help please!! thank you in advance.
Audio1 7:07 PM - 11 March, 2009
Im the first track in all the Pro Tools series. LOL
SiRocket 7:23 PM - 11 March, 2009
LOL at audio1!!! Minh, make sure under preferences/options that the right soundcard or audio input is configured.
Minh 8:09 PM - 11 March, 2009
yeah everything is configured properly do other djs use pro tools to record their mixes? if so please let me know your steps in doing so i can't seem to get an recording in
HYDRO MATIC 8:21 PM - 11 March, 2009
<<< cert. since 01'....
what exactly happens when you hit rec....
and try hitting apple+spacebar....
Minh 9:07 PM - 11 March, 2009
when i hit record, i see the tempo of the music show up (the colored wave forms L, R) that's abotu it. when hit apple + spacebar, nothing happens, when i hit spacebar, it "plays" nothing plays / records
Dj Shamann 9:19 PM - 11 March, 2009
Does the timeline start scrolling yet no physical track is recording, or it scrolls while a track does record but when you play back there is nothing actually on the track, or when you hit apple + space it just sits there doing nothing?




Sorry it might not make sense to you and I wish I could see it in front of my face what was happening.

But a few things crossed my mind, if you hit apple + spacebar and nothing happens at all, you may have a count in, hit apple + 1 (numerics) for your transport and disable the count in.

If you see signal (the meters bouncing) yet you don't hear anything, you may want to try toggling input only monitoring, which on Mac is Apple + K I believe.
Minh 10:27 PM - 11 March, 2009
ok thanks guys i will try this when i get home from work i will also record a video just in case because it bugs to know i spent a lot of money on this program and i can't use it to some of its potential! thanks
VJ Justin Allen 10:40 PM - 11 March, 2009
Go to the master tracks and just above the slider make sure that the right input is selected. Also make sure that your master faders are up.
DJ Strike It Up 11:31 PM - 11 March, 2009
Make sure you have everything turned on...that might be it - LOL
Minh 5:23 AM - 12 March, 2009
not spamming please look at this vid it shows what's going on when i try to record any help would be appreciated thank you!!

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Shamann 5:32 AM - 12 March, 2009
Okay Minh, you've got a trigger finger on that spacebar, if I'm right you've got a count in on. You've gotta wait for two seconds for it to begin recording. OR hit Apple + 1 (numerics) or windows> transport (may be diff on PT 8) and when it brings up the transport disable the count in. Once you've done this, on the transport first.. hit record, then press play to begin record and see if it rolls. if it does, apple + spacebar will now work
Dj Shamann 5:35 AM - 12 March, 2009
Oh shit, I forgot, in PT 8 the transport is right on the top of the screen isn't it?

Okay so look up where the transport is (looks like old school tape deck controls) and look there to see if the count in is enabled/disabled



Forgive me, I haven't worked on 8 yet so I'm giving you standard Pro Tools directions
Dj Shamann 5:49 AM - 12 March, 2009
Also I should mention, Pro Tools is a serious hog for CPU. With Serato and PT both running there's going to be some competition for power, Pro Tools will take forever even with the count-in off sometimes while in record mode if it doesn't have enough juice, you're better off using your laptop for Serato and another dedicated machine for Pro Tools while recording Dj stuff. (laptops fine when not using multiple apps)
Minh 6:25 AM - 12 March, 2009
ahh its still not working, and now i am also experiencing kernal panics. this is just GREAT. Thank you for all the advice though i hope you guys can check out the vid and find some possible solution.
DJMark 8:17 AM - 12 March, 2009
I can't even imagine wanting to use Pro Tools for that purpose.

just use Audio Recorder (lowest CPU load of any application I've tried for that purpose), record to WAV or AIFF, *then* use Pro Tools on the recorded file(s) for any needed editing or post-production (if you must). You certainly won't be editing/processing the mix while you're actually DJ-ing anyway...

The only way I'd use Pro Tools (or any other resource-hungry audio/sequencing application) to record a DJ set would be with a second computer.
Minh 1:47 PM - 12 March, 2009
I have come to the realization that Pro Tools + Serato may not be the best idea. And/or that people do not record with Pro Tools, I feel very mislead by the Guitar Center representative and due to the fact that I can not return this is very saddening. Thank you for all the help you guys have provided.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:21 PM - 12 March, 2009
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I feel very mislead by the Guitar Center representative and due to the fact that I can not return this is very saddening.


Cant tell you how many times ive said this EXACT same thing
HYDRO MATIC 3:34 PM - 12 March, 2009
Pro tools is the industry standard for recording but the guys are probably right on running serato and pro tools on the same machine but it will have more to due with the amount of ram you have??? (how much)
I wouldn't think about recording in one then transfering, but it is a personel thing though I guess...do you have a desktop available??? Or second laptop?

Lastly you should never, ever, ever eeeeeevvvvvveeeeerrrrr...trust a COMMISIONED SALESMAN!!!!! Always check a forum or the like there's just no way they can know it all you should always check with guys who deal with what your intrested in.
Dj Shamann 6:14 PM - 12 March, 2009
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And/or that people do not record with Pro Tools,




There's nothing wrong with recording with Pro Tools, and it's one of the best editors around, you just need to learn your way around it.

Another thing I thought of, it's a longshot but do you have "wait for note" enabled? It's the top left button on the transport, should be beside the metronome button (which in turn is beside the count in "2 bars" button)


If when in record mode your record and play button are flashing than that would be it.
The Notourious B.K.S. 6:21 PM - 12 March, 2009
I sense a you "dj so bad"..... coming
Dj Shamann 6:23 PM - 12 March, 2009
Also have you tried over at the DUC? It's like this place, but for Pro Tools with actual employees floating around answering questions.


duc.digidesign.com


Ask in "Pro Tools LE Mac Systems: 003, 002, Mbox, 001"


I also have to work on a fim short tonight so I'll have pro tools actually open in front of my face so it might jog my memory.
Dj Shamann 6:27 PM - 12 March, 2009
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Lastly you should never, ever, ever eeeeeevvvvvveeeeerrrrr...trust a COMMISIONED SALESMAN!!!!! Always check a forum or the like there's just no way they can know it all you should always check with guys who deal with what your intrested in.



+1 I can't tell you how many times I've had to shut salesmen down when they're talking complete shit. You'll get the odd guy who's on the level but for the most part they're failed musicians that have their own way of doing things and aren't really interested in your way.



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I sense a you "dj so bad"..... coming



LOL
DJ Rugged One 6:59 PM - 12 March, 2009
Hey Minh, I think may have the answer. Pro Tools is good recording software but if I were you, have PT on a desktop instead then laptop. Serato and Pro Tools uses much CPU and don't use Serato and PT at the same time. Another thing is when you created the track, don't use samples after you created number of tracks and choosing output of your source either stereo and mono...another words your all set of the process. I have Pro Tools LE 7.4 and I'm not in front of my desktop right now. If you have queastions, PM me and will explain and help.
Dj Shamann 7:27 PM - 12 March, 2009
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Hey Minh, I think may have the answer. Pro Tools is good recording software but if I were you, have PT on a desktop instead then laptop. Serato and Pro Tools uses much CPU and don't use Serato and PT at the same time



LOL


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Also I should mention, Pro Tools is a serious hog for CPU. With Serato and PT both running there's going to be some competition for power, Pro Tools will take forever even with the count-in off sometimes while in record mode if it doesn't have enough juice, you're better off using your laptop for Serato and another dedicated machine for Pro Tools while recording Dj stuff. (laptops fine when not using multiple apps)


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The only way I'd use Pro Tools (or any other resource-hungry audio/sequencing application) to record a DJ set would be with a second computer.



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Pro tools is the industry standard for recording but the guys are probably right on running serato and pro tools on the same machine






And just a comment on samples vs ticks




Before 6.7 all tracks were sample based so it has little to do with why she can't record, all tick base does is make sure that if she changes the tempo of the track that the regions will coincide, since she's doing Dj sets it will have absolutely no impact. Baby steps first, let's not confuse the poor girl before she even figures out how to record

; )
DJ Strike It Up 8:11 PM - 12 March, 2009
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I have come to the realization that Pro Tools + Serato may not be the best idea. And/or that people do not record with Pro Tools, I feel very mislead by the Guitar Center representative and due to the fact that I can not return this is very saddening. Thank you for all the help you guys have provided.


Rule #1 - Dont shop at Guitar Center...

and yes, these guys are speaking truth when they say dont ever trust a commissioned salesman, they will say anything to get a sale!

Quick story - I went to a DJ gear store and I was looking at the speakers...well the sales guy approaches me and starts to make his sales pitch...he talks about the watts of power each speaker can hold and he says "ohms" - so i decided to see just how much he really knew...so i asked "whats the difference between 2 ohms, 4 ohms, 8 ohms...."

He tells me this (get ready to laugh) - "If you have 2 speakers connected, its 2 ohms, if you have 4 speakers connected its 4 ohms and if you have 8 speakers connected to the amp, its 8ohms...."

I couldnt help but laugh in his face....ofcourse i had to school him with some basic knowledge of what ohms really is....
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:14 PM - 12 March, 2009
ya my boy worked at GC and he said their told to push the berringger mixers cause noone buys them and their profit margin is higher on them than pioneers ect. Plus once they break people gotta come back and buy something new.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:14 PM - 12 March, 2009
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I have come to the realization that Pro Tools + Serato may not be the best idea. And/or that people do not record with Pro Tools, I feel very mislead by the Guitar Center representative and due to the fact that I can not return this is very saddening. Thank you for all the help you guys have provided.


Rule #1 - Dont shop at Guitar Center...

and yes, these guys are speaking truth when they say dont ever trust a commissioned salesman, they will say anything to get a sale!

Quick story - I went to a DJ gear store and I was looking at the speakers...well the sales guy approaches me and starts to make his sales pitch...he talks about the watts of power each speaker can hold and he says "ohms" - so i decided to see just how much he really knew...so i asked "whats the difference between 2 ohms, 4 ohms, 8 ohms...."

He tells me this (get ready to laugh) - "If you have 2 speakers connected, its 2 ohms, if you have 4 speakers connected its 4 ohms and if you have 8 speakers connected to the amp, its 8ohms...."

I couldnt help but laugh in his face....ofcourse i had to school him with some basic knowledge of what ohms really is....


How do ohms work (im not an audiophile at all im just one of those show up and mix guys)
DJ Strike It Up 8:26 PM - 12 March, 2009
ohms is the resistance of the wiring inside a speaker...
some speakers are rated at 8 ohms, some at 4 ohms

The most common are 8ohms...
Speakers rated at 4ohms are more expensive because they are made with higher quality wiring, which means they have less resistance when connected to an amp, those more juice gets put to use...

Thats why when you buy an amp, the power output is rated at different ohms.
For example, an amp can push 1000 watts at 2 ohms
or 800 watts at 4ohms
or 600 watts at 8ohms
Which means that if you have a pair of speaker that are rated at 8ohms and u connect them to this amp, your amp is just going to max out at 600 watts with your 8ohms speakers....

I love to hear mobile DJ brag about their DJ gear - I always bust them out whenever they brag about their sound system.

"I have these crown amps that pump out 1000 watts!"
I look at their speakers and then i tell them, "You amp may pump out 1000 watts but your speakers are 8ohms, so im sure your amp isnt even coming close to pushing 1000 watts thru them! LOL"

School is over - as you were!
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:29 PM - 12 March, 2009
damn ok, alot of car audio nuts hae tried to explain that to me but thats the 1st time its made sence. Thanks!!!
DJ Strike It Up 8:48 PM - 12 March, 2009
anytime Bezz
DJMark 9:53 PM - 12 March, 2009
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I have come to the realization that Pro Tools + Serato may not be the best idea. And/or that people do not record with Pro Tools, I feel very mislead by the Guitar Center representative and due to the fact that I can not return this is very saddening. Thank you for all the help you guys have provided.


It's not like you're stuck with something useless...you could still use Pro Tools for a lot of other things (song edits/remixes, for one example).

You could also use the Digidesign hardware for recording DJ sets with other software (like Audio Recorder) that consumes less CPU than Pro Tools.
SiRocket 9:54 PM - 12 March, 2009
ill take the license for protools if you don't want it :p
DJ Rugged One 3:53 PM - 13 March, 2009
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Hey Minh, I think may have the answer. Pro Tools is good recording software but if I were you, have PT on a desktop instead then laptop. Serato and Pro Tools uses much CPU and don't use Serato and PT at the same time



LOL


What so funny ??? I was trying to help...you made me cry ! :( :( :( :(

But seriously, it's hard to explain and not good at explaining stuff.

***Goes back to his corner and cries***
Dj Shamann 6:03 PM - 13 March, 2009
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What so funny ??? I was trying to help...you made me cry ! :( :( :( :(

But seriously, it's hard to explain and not good at explaining stuff.

***Goes back to his corner and cries***



LOL!

It's because you you came in like the kid that was sleeping in class but woke up suddenly with an idea like "Ooh, ooh! I know!".... and then you blurt out something that was already said three times


*points and laughs at him while he cries in the corner*


;p
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:17 PM - 13 March, 2009
lol!!
SUBSTANCE 10:07 PM - 16 March, 2009
I watched your video...
the shortcuts you're trying for ProTools are still being used for spotlight & expose.
you have to disable the spotlight & expose shortcuts in system preferences in order to use the record shortcuts you were trying.
A&S 7:40 PM - 13 May, 2012
Can someone tell me if it is common for a DJ to record each turntable to a separate track when recording a set in protools and if so, what is the best cable layout to achieve this? I'm using vestax 007 pro, SL1, protools mbox pro 3rd. Thanks!
Dj Shamann 12:15 AM - 14 May, 2012
If you mean a live set as in playing a bunch of songs and then getting each turntable on a separate track, then no, it's not possible. If you want to achieve that the only possible solution at his time is Serato/Ableton The bridge.


If you mean a track at a time, you could record one song, then record another song on a separate track by beat matching the previously recorded track with what you're playing, rinse and repeat.
bicedidit 1:39 PM - 14 May, 2012
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Can someone tell me if it is common for a DJ to record each turntable to a separate track when recording a set in protools and if so, what is the best cable layout to achieve this? I'm using vestax 007 pro, SL1, protools mbox pro 3rd. Thanks!


i dont no why you would wanna do this but all you need is a stereo cable and 2 mono audio tracks and pan the left TT all the way to the left and the rigght all the way to the right with the inputs corresponding correctly
Dj Shamann 11:14 PM - 14 May, 2012
But then you're stuck with a shitty sounding mono mix.
A&S 6:42 PM - 24 May, 2012
I heard someone saying this was done for mastering purposes. Remember with vinyl how certain albums were louder than others. Well the thought is that you can't edit one side without affecti g the other if your mix is in stereo on one track. Any helpful recording tips would be highly appreciated. Thanks guys.
Dj Shamann 6:58 PM - 24 May, 2012
Well like I said, if that's what you're really after you can try Ableton's The Bridge. But if you record one turntable to the left channel only, and then one to the right only, you're losing half of the sound. And definitely not what you're after if you're actually concerned with things like mastering your final mix. (ie. making sure it sounds good)

Watch your levels, even rehearse the mix if you have to and use Serato's autogain manually on each track. Then when you're done you can add some light compression/multiband compression to even it out even more.

Or, record one record in, stop. Record the next one on another track, stop. And so on and so forth.
bicedidit 10:18 PM - 24 May, 2012
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I heard someone saying this was done for mastering purposes. Remember with vinyl how certain albums were louder than others. Well the thought is that you can't edit one side without affecti g the other if your mix is in stereo on one track. Any helpful recording tips would be highly appreciated. Thanks guys.



when recording music (a band) you would want to record each instrument on its own channel and then you can mix and master and have total control over each instrument. the problem with recording SSL into protools is that the sound coming out of SSL is a stereo signal so you would want to record it using a stereo audio track for optimal recording.

id suggest you sell your protools set up and get a 57 so you can use the ableton/mixtape function. the mixtape function allows you fix your scratches & mixes after youve recorded.
i havent used it much but from the couple times i messed with it, its an incredible tool.
A&S 6:21 PM - 29 May, 2012
That is pretty much the conclusion I've started to come to. I initially bought pro tools because it is an industry standard. Probably should have done some research first. Thanks alot for the feedback.