Guilty as charged...

I've even printed it and stuck on my bedroom mirror.

I can't wait.

I'm going to wait to buy it till November or so... I know I'll be really broke from school in Sept...

i dont think there has been a product so anticpated by the dj community.

But they just announced they are going to release the PS3 in Nov. So there goes at least $500. Plus Christmas around the corner. Maybe if its all that they say it will be I could run SSL off of it. Hmmm.

i dont under stand why u guys would buy the ttm57sl
if u already have ssl

where is the cheapest place u have found it

Cuz it would elimnate my SSL and TTM56.. less to carry in my coffin plus it would add effects!

and you get a sound card as well

REALLY A SOUND CARD?


EXPLAIN

Has ASIO / CoreAudio drivers... and soon the SL1 will to!!! :-)

ok

so here is my deal i really wnat to get my own stuuf and stop working for my friend i only have like $3000$ at the most
iwant to be able to use ssl i need tt and a lappy and some speakers any sugestions

So you want to buy:
a laptop
Turtables
SSL
speakers

Ok how about:
ibook 12"
SSL
used tech 12's
powered JBL's

What about a mixer and amp (if you dont want powered speakers?

^^ yea im thinking that
mixer ttm57sl
what is the cheapest i can all that do u think

Then you don't need SL1 if your getting the TTM57.

Hmm.. lets add this up:
TTM57: $1300-$1500US
ibook 12": $999 (cheaper with student discount)
Used decks $400US x 2 (maybe cheaper?)
speakers... ???

I look at it everyday before I leave my house. It such a tease and a heartache because I need a new mixer badly and I was very close to buying the 909 before they announced the 57. Now I am sitting home waiting for this thing to drop already. Please hurry up RANE!

I find it extra captivating since I just paid $1200 for somthing I don't have, can't use or see, and don't know when I am actually going to get it. . .

$1200 from where?

The TTM57 offers great flexibilty, esp if you want to record mixes. You can send post fader audio to the outputs. Great for mixtapes.

Even if you had an SL1 + 56 I would still get a 57 for. . .

- Effects built into a ttm56 (so long djm909)

- Ability to download new effects as they become availible

- Foot switch to control effects and looping/sampling which is huge to me as a Turntabalist and scratch artist to be able to do things while scratching with both hands (so long 1601s)

- Recording capacity for archiving vinyl or sampling off of video games or movies

- Recording capacity for podcasting or multitracking

- Controller right on the mixer for cue point and looping ie: no reaching for the keyboard and trying to remember what keyboard shortcut you want to use. This will allow you a far superior way to use relative mode for quick mixing/live multitracking made popular by dj am and the likes.

- Controller for Internal mode making the 57 a stand alone unit you can mix from kinda like traktor, ableton, etc, but more hands on and far simpler. I kinda like to think of this like a xone 3d but simpler and more geared towards mobile/hiphop mainstream dj's vs. rockstar techno dj's like the 3d.

- Transform switches that dont "beep" everytime you move them



Not to mention the physical upgrades from 56 to 57 (some people have voiced opinion about liking and disliking differant changes here)

- mic engage is a crucial feature as anyone knows who has used the 56 in a live sound setting

- kill buttons will defineately add an element to on the fly live preformances, especially for tabalists who like to kill multiple bands at the same time.

- fx button insteed of faders is proabaly on of the most controversial changes, and it really depends on your effects unit. I found on the 56 that I would have to do all me effecting on the EFX box because the 56 pan would add a flange if used at all. This by far not my favorite choice, but on the 57 (w/o using any internal effects) You can set the parameters on your box, then in the middle of the mix easily engages say a delay with out have to reach over to your effect box. Vice versa, you can use the wet/dry on your EFX box to fade in flanges filters, etc. In all a far supperior choice imo.

- The most controversial change is the curve adjust location change. Only time will tell, but I do know that I REALLY like having the reverse switches easily acessable and viewable. The contour adjust seems superior to me (especially eliminating the 2 CF knobs on the front of the 56, but only time will tell if people actually like this.

- 4 phono/line switchable rear inputs. Defineately cool, try running 2 cdj1000 (or simillar) with serato and a ttm56. You cant use the "thru" because you get 2 line to phono only on a 56.

- XLR out. . . enough said.

- also, you get a 3.5 and 1.4 headphone jack on the front! Cant tell you the number of times this has saved me on my empath!

- No more messing with the stupid telephone plug power supply!!!



What you loose by going 56-57
I dont know many DJ's who ever really used these much, maybe thats why they went. . .

- The single 1/4 tip send ring return loop for the microphone

- "Mode 2" on the faders

AND. . .

- Pan faders! These will be soreley missed by turntabalist everywhere! RIP

Ok, it's Sunday and I am hella board, and obsessing over the 57. . . They say idle minds are the devils workshop!

Less to carry a hookup live is always a plus...also from DJK post I think he summed it up. He just as bad as I am...The only thing he left out is how long has he been looking at it!

when i buy the ttm57sl
do i get the control records and any other connections i need

plus where can i order it

Yes you get control records, USB etc.

Any Rane dealer can sell you a 57, but the waiting list is getting pretty long. Try rane.com to find a dealer nearby.

that would be awesome if u offered a total (deluxe) package:


- 1 TTM57SL
- 1 pair of SSL flavored Ortophon Digitracks
- 1 set of SSL Headphones
- 1 SSL Watch
- 1 SSL T-Shirt
- 2 special red SSL control records & CDs
- 1 large SSL banner

... and a hot kiwi lady ;-)

that would be a sick setup

why doesnt rane make turntabels

or speakers

or needels

or amps

We do make amps -->> rane.com

Shaun, any planes to make more powerfull amps?

Rane amps are very conservatively rated. Just multiply the wattages by about 4 to compare them.....

54

blah back to the obsession of this month ttm57. . . .

Exactly, no pushing amps...LOL You guys need to move that part to a....another forum...It like having sex with your girl while discussing shopping; No Not Here

So can you choice different shortcuts to program to the TTM57SL or are they set? Will they react even faster then the keyboard shortcuts? Can you run different effects of each track and the mic simultaneously? Any feedback appreciated. Thanks!

canu change the efx on the mixer whene u want

Yes, and yes.

You have 2 effects that you can each put on Channel 1, 2, Aux, or Main. Eg. Effect 1 on Channel 1 and Effect 2 on Aux.

Will there be any way to pre listen to effects, also will you be able to monitor the aux input in the headphones?

^^ Good question. Curious also...

Thanks for the response Josh! This unit looks awesome but I'd like to be able to use the effects on the mic. Does anyone know of an XLR to RCA (mic to line level) adapter so I could use it on the aux input? Thanks again!

Damn Good Questions?

google "mic pre-amp" Alot of companies make models ranging from about $50-100 for what you want to do. The also go as high in price as you can imagine, but not for the portable live aplication kind that you want to use. Look for brands like rolls, behenger, sm, presonus, etc. . .

Yes, when you are in the effect group (or the mixer is running stand-alone) there is a button dedicated to cue'ing the current effect. If that effect is inserted on the AUX or MIX then you hear the direct output of the effect through your headphones. If the effect is on PGM1 or PGM2 then the headphone cue cross-fader still works, except using the "effected" version.


In this context, AUX is an "AUX bus" with the Mic mixed in, so you can put effects on the Mic.

^^^VARSITY!

I will assume you are a Rane employee and speaking on their behalf. If that is so can you explain why you rate the amps at 4 times less that what they actually deliver ?

blah, not a fan of the 57 OR the 56. The cross fader is too short and too light. I dont like the knob eq's and the telephone power chord is rediculous. I just might be a little biased since Ive been using the Vestax 05/07's since 1999 and I like the clicking. In anycase, I just dont like the Rane 56, the empath is pretty nice tho.

We're straying far from this thread's initial topic, but...

One could write a whole text book on answering this amplifier ratings question. Here's a taste: is the power rating peak power or rms (average) power? What's the test stimulus? pink noise with what crest factor? sine wave? music? speech? At what rated load and at what frequency was the test performed? Is the load a dummy resistor? A resistive load is as far from real world as one could get since the impedance of an actual loudspeaker varies widely with frequency. What temperature is the amp and the loudspeaker and their environment? All of these thing matter a lot.

Despite what marketeers and literature will tell or imply to you, it is rare that an amp can run all channels at full power continuously all day without blowing up or shutting down. There are a multitude of international standards on rating power amplifiers and specifiying equipment. Here's some bedside reading: www.rane.com & www.rane.com

Thanks for the post Steve. I'll be doing my homework on this.

I'm still reading the PAR you guys gave me from last year... so much to learn and understand.

PS - Hows the dog?

Gratitute Steve,

Just to make the layman (me) understand, lets assume one of those other companies were marketing this same amp (the MA 6S).

Is this what they would advertise

400 watts per channel into 8 ohms
600 watts per channel into 4 ohms
1200 watts bridged pairs into 8 ohms ???

Rane has the MA 6S rated at

100 watts per channel into 8 ohms
150 watts per channel into 4 ohms
300 watts bridged pairs into 8 ohms
rane.com

( I remember once I bought some speakers off ebay.. 600Watts or something, but I missed the PMPO. Man, I was fucking pissed when they arrived and they were labled at 8Watts sinus I think. )

PMPO ??

en.wikipedia.org <- cllick.

s42000, yeah, that might be one way to think about it. Meaning, halve the load, double the power. Some amp schemes work this way, many don't. There's a lot going on.

My favorite writer on this amp ratings topic [and many audio subjects] is Syn-Aud-Con's Pat Brown. Here's a few links to his work:
www.prosoundweb.com [Here's lots more topics: www.prosoundweb.com]
www.livesoundint.com
www.livesoundint.com
www.livesoundint.com
www.livesoundint.com
www.svconline.com
www.etcinc.us
www.crownaudio.com

Man, that's a lot of reading... Good stuff. If you want more, Google Pat Brown a while.

Okay too much homework now!!!

Ah ha ha ha!! I've always wanted to assign too much homework to someone - now my life is complete!! ; )

...but not really.

So what replaced the pan faders?

Then why even post in a 57 thread? And how can you say you don't like the 57, where have you tried it? Nothing wrong with liking Vestax, but I really don't understand why you would come in a thread like this and post that?

I believe there is a pan knob now like on the empath (cry)

oh well, I will sacrifice that for everything else I gain.

Just hold out until the launch of this thing (TTM57)... ;)

Yes, back on track. . . I heart ttm57

I want the integration transplanted to an Empath Rotary now...

...or add the Empath's Flex FX and a rotary option to this. C'mon, you know you wanna'!

Last time I checked, a bulletin board/forum like this is a place to voice your opinions. No need to attack me. Just because I love the Serato doesn't mean I have to love every product that Rane distributes. Don't be a dick. I own a TTM56, its been sitting in my closet for the past 18 months. Therefore I have every right to criticize a product that I wasn't too impressed with. Is that ok with you DJK? The 57 has a very similar platform to the 56, so is it fair to say that I won't like the TTM57 either?!?! I think so.


DJK=Dunsky.

Thanks DJK/Steve! Does this mean I don't need a mic preamp to run a mic through the aux in for effects? Will I still be able to do mic recordings when using the aux in for the mic? Thanks again!

As long as you you're not using the Aux inputs on the back of the mixer, any reference to Aux means Mic. In other words, no mic pre required, and yes you can do Mic recordings.

Steve, will the TTM57 cook me dinner! ;-)

Awesome! Thanks a million Steve!

Sorry your so upset, I was quite polite with my statement. . . Who's really the one being the dick? No worries, it's just a forum, your post was just kind of odd and maybe even off topic for this thread. You are quite right about voicing your opinion, but why not go start a new thread to discuss why you don't like 56/57 as that would make alot more sense.

OK... squashed.

hug it out

LOL...This forum is about the love...love for the ttm57 so don't talk to bad about are future family member! Anyhow SolKim, I am just the opposite I switched from the VESTAX 07 to the TTM 56 and love it! My Vestax is in the closet...

LOL...This forum is about the love...love for the ttm57 so don't talk to bad about are future family member! Anyhow SolKim, I am just the opposite I switched from the VESTAX 07 to the TTM 56 and love it! My Vestax is in the closet...How about a trade?