DJing Discussion

This area is for discussion about DJing in general. Please remember the community rules when posting and try to be polite and inclusive.

I Just Got A Newer Macbook But Not Performing Like The Old One Why?

Jaro 8:29 PM - 4 December, 2008
Ok I just got my new macbook the specs is 2g Ram, 2.4 processer speed, 160 HD but i used and external HD.

This is what is happening to me when i loud a song to the deck its takes a couple of secs about 2sec to loud why is that? it never did that wiit my older Macbook which only had 1g Ram 2.1 processor speed and 120g HD.

How can i fix this please help thanks!
Rane, Support
Shaun W 9:12 PM - 4 December, 2008
What version of OSX did you have installed on your old Mac?

I ask because Leopard currently has issues (lag issues) when using FAT 32 formatted external hard drives, which could be what's going on with your new setup.
Jaro 9:29 PM - 4 December, 2008
i was running the tiger 10.5.1 or something like that
the old version thuo.

this laptop is lepord 10.5 version
Rane, Support
Shaun W 12:12 AM - 5 December, 2008
Check how your external drive has been formatted. Is it FAT32?
Jaro 3:54 PM - 5 December, 2008
hmmm, how do i check that? My External Hard Drive Only Can Be Used My Mac Computers or Laptaps cause it only has firewire. But still how do u check that?
Rane, Support
Shaun W 4:19 PM - 5 December, 2008
Click on the mounted external drive icon on your decktop and then use the keyboard shortcut Command I to "get info" for your drive. Within the get into window you should see how the drive has been formatted.
Jaro 4:47 PM - 5 December, 2008
Yes its say Format MS-DOS (Fat32)and im running Version 10.5.4 Mac OS X
DJMark 5:38 PM - 5 December, 2008
Quote:
hmmm, how do i check that? My External Hard Drive Only Can Be Used My Mac Computers or Laptaps cause it only has firewire. But still how do u check that?


If you're only using the external drive with a Mac, there's no good reason to use FAT32 formatting. You'll get both better performance and data security by reformatting the drive as "Mac OS Extended (Journalled)". That's done in Disk Utility.

You'll need to back up all data from the drive before reformatting.
Jaro 6:11 PM - 5 December, 2008
But will That Help Me And Stop the Delay when loading song to the deck? And How Comes This never happen with my older Macbook loptop?
Rane, Support
Shaun W 6:53 PM - 5 December, 2008
Quote:
But will That Help Me And Stop the Delay when loading song to the deck?

Yes, backing up and then formatting the drive to Mac OS Extended (Journalled) should do the tirck.

Quote:
And How Comes This never happen with my older Macbook loptop?

Your other Mac was probably runing Tiger (OSX 1.4.9) which isn't affected by the FAT32 lag bug.
Rane, Support
Zach S 6:53 PM - 5 December, 2008
The problem is with the new Mac OS and Fat32 formatted drives.
This started after version 10.5.3.
If you reformat your drive to Mac Journaled you will not have the long load time issue but also know that Mac Journaled drives can't be seen by PC computers.

If your needing to use your external on both platforms I would suggest reformatting your drive NTFS and use this program --> www.paragon-software.com
Jaro 6:59 PM - 5 December, 2008
Ok ill do that ill format my hard drive to Mac OS Entended (Journalled) and no my hard drive cannot be used on both platform so ill just stck with Fomat it to the Mac OS Extended (Journalled)ill make you guys know the results as soon as i do so ok thanks again.
Rane, Support
Shaun W 10:32 PM - 5 December, 2008
Be sure to back up your drive before formatting :)
nik39 9:33 PM - 7 December, 2008
You could also try this one:
www.serato.com

This will keep your drive accessible from both systems. The paragon software did not give good results to me.
Jaro 10:25 PM - 7 December, 2008
Ok guys this is what i did, one of my friend had a macbook with the same spics as mine BUT his macbook came with the OS X Lepord 10.5.2 so instead of formatting my HD i got his instalation Cds and installed the 10.5.2 and so far working much better. What do u guys think good move or not?
nik39 10:43 PM - 7 December, 2008
Ok.
DJMark 1:39 AM - 8 December, 2008
Quote:
Ok guys this is what i did, one of my friend had a macbook with the same spics as mine BUT his macbook came with the OS X Lepord 10.5.2 so instead of formatting my HD i got his instalation Cds and installed the 10.5.2 and so far working much better. What do u guys think good move or not?


I think that was a very bad move. Among other things, you're using an older version of the operating system that predates the computer you have, and has significantly more bugs than the current version.

Since you're not sharing the drive with Windows computers, the real solution as I said before is to use the native "Mac OS Extended (Journalled) disk format. Not only will that perform faster, your data is significantly safer. If you use FAT32 formatting, you have a lot more risk of data loss if something unexpected happens such as a computer crash or unexpected loss of power on the drive.

If your reason for going through the rather ridiculous work-around of using an old OS version is that you don't have another drive to back up your data onto, that is another issue you should resolve immediately.
nik39 1:45 AM - 8 December, 2008
Quote:
Among other things, you're using an older version of the operating system that predates the computer you have, and has significantly more bugs than the current version.

I don't think this will have a big impact if he is using his computer for SSL only.

Quote:
Since you're not sharing the drive with Windows computers, the real solution as I said before is to use the native "Mac OS Extended (Journalled) disk format.

True. I missed the part where he said that he is not sharing this drive with Windows. My bad.
Jaro 4:25 AM - 8 December, 2008
I do have a Maxter 750g HD that i can back up my music too hahahah thats funny the way u put that DJ Mark, but i did not know that the Version 10.5.2 has alot of bugs. By the way i only used my laptop solo for serato and nothing eles. My Plan was to used that version until serato team comes up with a fix for the 10.5.4 Version then i was going to upgrade back my OS to the current version it came with which is the 10.5.4.

May i say my friend have been running serato on this version without a glich.
DJMark 6:08 AM - 8 December, 2008
Quote:
I do have a Maxter 750g HD that i can back up my music too


Okay then. Make it simple for yourself, please:

Back up all the data that's on the FAT32-formatted drive onto that Maxtor drive;

Format the FAT32 drive as "Mac OS Extended (Journalled)" using Disk Utility;

Re-copy all the music from the Maxtor back onto your freshly-formatted drive;

Install Mac OS X 10.5.5 (which is the current version as of this writing, and works fine with SSL 1.8.2);

Done.

I guarantee that the drive will work even faster after you do that. In addition to everything else I've written before, you'll also be sparing yourself some minor irritations related to long filenames/paths (something I ran into recently when using a FAT32-formatted thumb-drive to transfer some files between computers).

By the way, almost all release versions of software (including operating systems) have some bugs. It's a matter of severity and quantity. In the time between 10.5.2 and 10.5.5, there were probably hundreds of various bugs fixed. At least one of those was critical in terms of being able to use certain devices to control SSL (CDJ-400 would crash SSL until 10.5.5 was released, for example).

But even beyond that, it's a good bet that 10.5.2 was never even tested by Apple on the new hardware you now have. I'm actually surprised to hear it works at all, since it's more normal for any OS version older than the hardware to not even be able to boot the computer. It's not something I'd feel comfortable depending on for DJ gigs, at any rate.
Jaro 4:30 PM - 8 December, 2008
Ok ill do that DJ Mark! let u know whats up ok!